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Intel Launches New Pentium Extreme Edition 965

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the more-fuel-for-the-fires-of-war dept.

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RL-20 II Rider writes "Although Intel is hard at work readying their next-gen Conroe core for a proposed 2H '06 release, it seems engineers at the company are still improving upon the existing 65nm Presler core. This review of the brand-new 3.73GHz Pentium Extreme Edition 965 dual-core processor shows that the CPU is based on a new stepping of the Presler core that runs cooler and overclocks higher than older chips, while consuming a bit less power as well."

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139 comments

I'm trying to get in the Guiness Book (1, Funny)

heauxmeaux (869966) | more than 8 years ago | (#14973921)

Anyone mind teabagging me for 186 hours?

Extreme edition? (5, Funny)

Mr. Bad Example (31092) | more than 8 years ago | (#14973966)

Does it only work if you're snowboarding down a hillside and parachuting off a cliff while slamming a Mountain Dew?

Re:Extreme edition? (1)

Knight Thrasher (766792) | more than 8 years ago | (#14973988)

It's only XTREME if you run Windows and play solitaire on it.

Re:Extreme edition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974268)

Hey!! It's also XTREME if I want to play freecell, isn't it? http://www.servicerules.com.ar/ [servicerules.com.ar]

Re:Extreme edition? (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974051)

Does it only work if you're snowboarding down a hillside and parachuting off a cliff while slamming a Mountain Dew?

Sorry, you must be thinking of AMD's Athlon 5000++ X4 DDR3 Quad Core Radical Edition.

Re:Extreme edition? (4, Funny)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974236)

Quad Core Radical Edition

In 2010, will your razor have more blades than your CPU has cores, or the other way around? I wonder...

Re:Extreme edition? (2, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974439)

In 2010, will your razor have more blades than your CPU has cores, or the other way around? I wonder...

Neither, your CPU will be so powerful that it will shoot out a laser which can be used for hair removal, cosmetic surgery, and enemy annihilation (among other things.)

Re:Extreme edition? (1)

Aqua OS X (458522) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975516)

Actually, yes, it does require slammed Dew for cooling; yet, since it's compatible with the poser socket it doesn't require extensive snowboarding, skateboarding, or motocross knowledge to operate. However, Stussy, Etnies, Independent, Think, or Billabong stickers -must- be used to keep the CPU attached via the poser socket. Older models may require Body Glove or T&C Surf Designs stickers. Furthermore, the presence of Hypercolor may be necessary in some cases.

Case windows are also required for operation. Neon lights, a Type R badge, and tuner stickers are required for street racing models.

Pentium Name (2, Interesting)

hsmith (818216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14973989)

I thought they were dropping the Pentium name? [tgdaily.com]

Re:Pentium Name (2, Informative)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974087)

This is still the Pentium 4; they're not dropping the Pentium Name on a chip that's still a Pentium, which they're still selling and still are going to sell for about another year until the Core chips take over the market. It's called "Phasing Out" a product in marketing speak.

Re:Pentium Name (1)

toadlife (301863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975041)

"It's called "Phasing Out" a product in marketing speak."

Actually the word "milking the dead cow" came to my mind...but "Phasing out" is a pretty good euphemism.

Re:Pentium Name (1)

mOOzilla (962027) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975196)

Microsoft is also a successful company. Sure it is full of Managers and butt kissers. Every time they RTM they hand out "Kiss-It" awards and I think they have just signed a deal with Amex for butt kissing miles for all they're managers, leads and various other managerial types.

Yeah, what the fuck? (4, Funny)

babbling (952366) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974329)

Intel are so off on this one. Just from a preliminary glance, I can see that they named this chip wrong. "Pentium Extreme Edition 965"? Where should I start?

First of all, this chip is at the very least an Extreme Turbo Edition 1078. However, I have a strong suspicion about it being closer to a Super Mega Extreme Turbo 8000.

Re:Yeah, what the fuck? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974451)

What the hell are you talking about? You make no sense.

Re:Yeah, what the fuck? (1)

babbling (952366) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974557)

I'll give you a hint. I might be poking fun at the name of this chip.

Re:Yeah, what the fuck? (1)

grahamlee (522375) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974473)

You are a Streetfighter II programmer and I claim my five pounds.

Re:Pentium Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974372)

at least they didn't drop the name before introducing this PEE

Re:Pentium Name (1)

KylePflug (898555) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974987)

You're right, the article title was misleading. The chip is actually the "Extreme Edition 965." Just that. No Intel or Pentium.

Singlethreaded performance (1)

poeidon1 (767457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14973991)

It is all about singlethreaded performance, which is not really the same in the coming up Yonah/Merom based cores.

Re:Singlethreaded performance (2, Funny)

KBAegis (961391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975292)

Funny thing, I seem to have misread the cores names as 'Ownya/yermom.'

Fuck the metric system (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974001)

65 nm = 43/16777216 inches

Re:Fuck the metric system (1)

68cuda (961682) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974551)

65 nanometers = 2.55905512 × 10-6 inches

Re:Fuck the metric system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974747)

Drill sizes are labeled 3/64", not 4.6875 × 10-2 inches. Learn how the system works before posting about it.

Re:Fuck the metric system (2, Funny)

twiddlingbits (707452) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975105)

Can you translate that to furlongs per fortnight or hogsheads per rod? ;)

Moore's law is dying (0, Redundant)

flogic42 (948616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974016)

Moore's law must either slow down or stop sometime in the next 44 years, and here's the proof. The radius of a hydrogen atom, ao = 0.053nm. There is no way anyone will ever make a transistor smaller than a single atom. The current length of a transistor, L = 65nm L/ao = 1226 2^11 So the length of a transistor can only be cut in half 11 more times. Previously density has doubled every 2 years, so the transistor length has been cut in half every 4 years. That gives us at most 11*4 = 44 years until the death or severe dismemberment of moore's law by the most conservative estimate possible.

Re:Moore's law is dying (1)

pianomahnn (936367) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975233)

Oh ye of little faith.

Re:Moore's law is dying (1)

KBAegis (961391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975352)

Yeah, geeze. You never know what kind of quarky ideas they'll come up/down with next.

Extreme! Extreme! Extreme! (0, Flamebait)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974019)

Get your hands on the new EXTREME version of our Pentium processor at ridiculously low prices! Now! Now! Now!

What makes it EXTREME! ME YELLING AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS!

That's right! Me yelling EXTREME EXTREME EXTREME makes the new Pentium chip, EXTREME!

Our EXTREME chip prices are INSANE!

(My apologies to The Simpsons and Crazy Eddie [pocketcalculatorshow.com] for the blatant, pathetic ripoff of their respective bits and commercials)

Re:Extreme! Extreme! Extreme! (1)

JamesTRexx (675890) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974077)

Sounds like you're trying to sell the ultimate Dell game pc [dell.com] .

Re:Extreme! Extreme! Extreme! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14975572)

You mean the ultimate bloatware advertizing machine?
Seriously, with the amount of bloat/adware that they stuff in dell XPS machines they should be FREE.

Re:Extreme! Extreme! Extreme! (1)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974083)

EXTREME! stuff is so 1999. They should have put an i at the beginning of the name, although I'm not sure how iPentium would sound, much less avoid an Apple lawsuit. Perhaps they could make it Java oriented and call it PentiumOne.

Re:Extreme! Extreme! Extreme! (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975466)

Bah. e and later i prefixes are so overused. I think we should start prefixing with some of the less popular vowels. a, o, u...

sometimes even y.

Oblig. Spaceballs (5, Funny)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974040)

Colonel Sandurz: Prepare to purchase an Intel Pentium Extreme Edition.
Dark Helmet: No. No. No. No. Extreme is too slow.
Colonel Sandurz: Extreme too slow?
Dark Helmet: Yes. We're gonna have to go straight to an Intel Pentium Ludicrous Edition.

Obligatory? (0, Offtopic)

Cranky Weasel (946893) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974355)

No, no, no. "A Beowolf Cluster of these" reference might be obligatory. Or perhaps the fact that all our base are belong to these new chips might also apply.

A Spaceballs reference on slashdot, though? Naw... not obligatory.

Actually, it's a reference to something outside of the usual targets on Slashdot, which makes it an oddity anyway. You should be proud. Prefixing something with "Obligatory" usually means you've put up a roadside sign saying, "There is no originality beyond this point! Nothing funny to see here"

Re:Oblig. Spaceballs (1)

Andrzej Sawicki (921100) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974397)

Intel Pentium Ludicrous Edition
Itanium?

Re:Oblig. Spaceballs (2, Funny)

rubberbando (784342) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974877)

Does that mean when Windows crashes on it, they'll get the PLAID screen of death?

Re:Oblig. Spaceballs (1)

flogic42 (948616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975309)

A ludicrous speed general purpose CPU will still suck at massively parallel computations compared to special-purpose ICs like GPUs.

The vast majority of CPU-intensive work in games like Half-Life 2 and Battlefield 2 involves massively parallelisable operations to check geometric and physical constraints, compute bezier curves, and so forth. This is why Ageia is developing a masively parallel Physics Processor [ageia.com] that might be more beneficial to gaming performance than tripling the core speed of your CPU.

The idea is to optimize for the common case. If your CPU spends 80% of its time doing physics calculations when you play games like HL2, then making the physics calculations 10 times faster is better than making everything 3 times faster.

apache estimate (1)

Douglas Simmons (628988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974041)

My LAMP running Gallery in cached mode gets 11.5 reqs/sec tops running on a 1.7 celeron with 512 ram. If the only variable I changed was the chip to this new sucker, how many reqs/sec might I be able to crank out? They average 30K.

Re:apache estimate (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974296)

who gives a fuck about your nerd toy setup

Re:apache estimate (2, Funny)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974310)

23.1

bottleneck order (2, Informative)

porkThreeWays (895269) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974389)

bottleneck order for you: network bandwidth, hard drive, ram, then _maybe_ cpu.

Basically, it isn't going to help you much. If you put a lot of ram into it that'd probably help (try to get as much into ram as possible). If you have a huge amount of pics (60 gigs) a 10,000 rpm Raptor sata would probably be a good investment.

All that doesn't mean much if the network pipe is too small to dish out that many pics.

Re:apache estimate (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974686)

Holy acronyms, Batman.

Re:apache estimate (1)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975254)

With that your LAMP is CPU bound? What proc is CPU bound apache php or mysql? Considering the specs on yoru system it sounds like IO bound with writes from the database.

Core version? (1)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974052)

I wonder how and when they'll spin a core version.

Wicked (4, Funny)

smoor (961352) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974063)

Oooh, next they'll the have the Pentium WICKED, followed by the Pentium WOOT!

Re:Wicked (1)

Mille Mots (865955) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974595)

ITYM, 'w00t.' Or maybe, 'w(.)(.)t.' Or even, 'w0o7.'

But, you're on the right track. The successor to the 'w00t' will probably be named the 'FP!!!1!one!!eleven!!'

--
rqHóoa8l2Z[goP T{$zd

Re:Wicked (1)

smoor (961352) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974648)

OK, OK, you got me... poser alert sounded... I forget to check my geektionary... ;)

Intel should be ashamed. (4, Insightful)

LibertineR (591918) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974067)

My AMD Athlon 64 X2 chugs along at 2.2Ghz, and STILL blows Intel out of the water due to its superior design, while managing a cool 29C. AMD has fought the good fight, and until Intel gets faster AND cooler, AMD has my computing dollar. To me, the only thing 'Extreme' about Intel processors right now, is the number of CPU cycles wasted.

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (4, Informative)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974189)

Good think Intel invented the Core chips. Because you know, using 40% of the power of a Pentium 4 and doing 40% more work while clocking nearly twice as slow isn't a radical change or anything.

Preliminary reports even say the Core chips are up to 35% faster than the AMD64 chips, and they don't even have EM64T to fall back on. But, for the purposes of this discussion, since this is a Pentium 4, it is still quite the power hog, but they've made advances with this chip that do warrant some attention (take a look at the benchmarks), and with their new $50 water cooler and overclocking, the Pentium 4 once again takes the performance crown.

I'm all for AMD, but Intel has cleaned up their act too, and refusing to notice that is a fatal mistake, no matter how much Slashdot/AMD coolaid you've consumed.

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (2, Funny)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974341)

and refusing to notice that is a fatal mistake

Yes... you will infact DIE if you have not noticed that.

-Jesse

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (1)

xenoandroid (696729) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974470)

AMD fanboy-hunters may come to kill you ninja style if you don't.

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (1)

LibertineR (591918) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974538)

Hey partner, just send me a link. I'm willing to learn. All I know is that I used Intel chips exclusively until last year, and I'll be dammed if I go back without a VERY good reason. Provide a link or somethin'?

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (2, Informative)

fitten (521191) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974789)

This was some of the biggest news in a while and it all happened about 1.5 weeks ago (where were you?:P)... Here are some from Anandtech [anandtech.com] .

This one [anandtech.com] is the preliminary benchmark testing that a lot of folks questioned and this one [anandtech.com] is the follow up that answered a lot of the concerns about the first one. The conclusion was the same, though... at 2.66GHz Conroe beats an overclocked 2.8GHz FX-60 (overclocked to simulate the upcoming FX-62) quite handily (20%+ most of the time) while using 1/2 the power of the AMD part (and obviously at a lower clock speed). There were a few other sites that had similar previews but they all say the same thing.

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (1)

LibertineR (591918) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975143)

Well, for most of 1.5 weeks ago, I was flat on my back, sick as a dog. Seriously. Thanks for the links.

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (1)

twiddlingbits (707452) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975218)

Pay attention to the details on that testing in the article. This "The AMD system used 1GB of DDR400 running at 2-2-2/1T timings, while the Intel system used 1GB of DDR2-667 running at 4-4-4" Make a HELL of a differnce in performance. Also note they used an Intel Motherboard for the Intel and an DIY (not bad but not the best) for the AMD. They too can make a difference. Seems the reviewers were not looking or didn't want to look either.."Honestly it doesn't make sense for Intel to rig anything here since we'll be able to test it ourselves in a handful of months. We won't say it's impossible as anything can happen, but we couldn't find anything suspicious about the setups." Intel didn't announce General Availabily dates (6 months maybe) being "king" for a few months can get CIOs to pre-order systems. Also another myth about lower power..the article clearly states "Also remember that Conroe should be lower power than the AMD offering we compared it to, although we weren't able to measure power consumption at the wall in our brief time with the systems." Beware pre-production chips used for testing. I'm not an AMD or Intel fan, I just want to see a fair test.

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14975608)

They released benchmarks a bit after where they managed to modify the timing IIRC.

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974999)

Good think Intel invented the Core chips. Because you know, using 40% of the power of a Pentium 4 and doing 40% more work while clocking nearly twice as slow isn't a radical change or anything.

Cool! Where can I buy one?

Where to buy Intel Core Duo ... (1)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975725)

"Good think Intel invented the Core chips. Because you know, using 40% of the power of a Pentium 4 and doing 40% more work while clocking nearly twice as slow isn't a radical change or anything."

Cool! Where can I buy one?


http://store.apple.com/ [apple.com]

Click on Mac mini, iMac, or MacBook Pro.

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (0)

Intron (870560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975691)

"twice as slow"

It would be more accurate to say the chip is "half fast"

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974527)

Pentium4 was a horrible horrible mistake on Intel's part---mostly 'cause of marketing/management---should've stuck with Pentium3 until they had something like AMD64 ready---it will take them a few years to get over it. AMD won the Pentium4 vs Competition battle... but I wouldn't be too sure about them winning -all- subsequent battles.

Intel is still a pretty damn strong corp with lots of R&D behind them. (don't get me wrong, I'm an AMD fan with Opterons/Athlon64s in nearly all my boxes). I'm still very curious to see what Intel's next chip will be like... I'd imagine it will surpass (in a good way) anything we've seen so far in terms of speed/performance/power usage, etc. They have to do this; their whole corp is on the line on this one... if they miss another generation of chips (to AMD's next chip?) they'll be in serious trouble market wise (Dell will likely really dump them); in other words, I'd imagine Intel will do whatever-it-takes to be #1 during the next generation.

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (1)

MyNameIsEarl (917015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975076)

Actually the price is pretty Extreme as well.

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (1)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975166)

until Intel gets faster AND cooler

Intel Core Duo, anyone? It has more or less the same performance and it eats less power

Sure, core duo isn't being used in the entire Intel product line, but being objective I'd say that the best Intel chips (core duo) are starting to look better than the AMD's ones.

Re:Intel should be ashamed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14975454)

Uh, 29C? Maybe while the CPU is idling. There is no way you're running that cold with a stock heatsink and fan while the CPU is fully loaded. My 4800+ X2 runs about 30C idling and 54C fully loaded. That's with a retail box fan and heatsink.

lonely (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974069)

I don't have any friends. At all.

Re:lonely (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974199)

You're not alone, I haven't got any friends either.

Re:lonely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14974466)

Hey, you guys want to hang out?

Re:lonely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14975276)

Sure, but first what are you wearing?

extreme? (4, Insightful)

matt328 (916281) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974165)

I donno, brand new chip, catchy performance implying name, about the only thing extreme about this chip will be the price. All of you people who get off on bragging about their box's specs in your little forum sigs prepare to shell out your 2 grand to upgrade from that now outdated 3.4 ghz piece of crap you've somehow been putting up with.

Not trying to troll, just pointing out the extremely narrow audience this chip would appeal to given that they are moving on to a different core soon. I'm just hoping this will drive down costs of the 'lower end' dual core chips soon.

Re:extreme? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14975089)

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I've already talked to my bank about refinancing my house loan so I can get one of these bad boys!

Re:extreme? They Only Need to Sell One (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975265)

pointing out the extremely narrow audience this chip would appeal to given that they are moving on to a different core soon.

Corvettes also sell to an extremely narrow audience. However, having the Corvette in the lineup sells a lot more Chevy econo boxes in the process from people pretending that their Impala is a close cousin and next best thing to a Vette.

Ironic (3, Funny)

Ctrl+Alt+De1337 (837964) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974214)

Ironic that a site reviewing a P4 Extreme Edition is called "Hot Hardware." Hot, indeed.

Re:Ironic (2, Informative)

jonesy16 (595988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974687)

What's not ironic is that an anti Intel post was made without reading the FA. The AMD processors actually put out more heat than this processor when idle (which is most of the time for most computer users). Intel has made progress with their 65 nm design in reducing heat and power consumption.

Also reviewed at The Tech Report (2, Informative)

EconolineCrush (659729) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974232)

Also reviewed at The Tech Report [techreport.com] , with more extensive testing against a wider range of processors.

"965?" (0, Offtopic)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974240)

Is that the number of amps it pulls down or the number of watts in heat it puts out?

"FX-60" (1)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974298)

Is that the number of Special Effects used in their marketing campaign?

Seriously, I know you're just trying to be funny, but both processor companies are known for giving their processors ridiculous arbitrary names.

The Extreme Edition specs don't compare to... (0)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974299)

When I upgrade my Intel box, it's going to have an Obscene Edition 666 chip in it that will blow away the competition. There's really no faster processor for hosting porn or bad language.

The "Breen Edition" is perfect for those who like super cooling of their computer.

What's really obscene (1)

adslmaster (882246) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974581)

That with 1/10th of Intel's R&D budget AMD still makes them play catchup for more than 2 1/2, almost 3 years after the Athlon 64 was released.

Re:What's really obscene (1)

ShibaInu (694434) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975592)

You know what - who cares? I have both a Pentium 4 and an AMD 64 and they both do what they are supposed to do. Both seem pretty zippy. The fact that Intel is playing catch up is good for us, since we'll get better chips from both companies.

who cares? (1)

adslmaster (882246) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975740)

Yeah and be oblivious to the fact that both do the same job as well, even though one of them cost was built on 1/10th of the budget of another. I'm writing this on a pentium m, a turion would be just as good.

Questions (4, Interesting)

zymano (581466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974309)

Does chip wiring or transistors waste the most heat ?

I don't understand why there aren't any attempts made to move away from silicon & copper/aluminum wiring ?

We have quantum tunneling transistors that work right now !

http://www.google.com/search?q=quantum+tunneling+t ransistors&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefo x-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official [google.com]
http://www.sandia.gov/media/quantran.htm [sandia.gov]

Re:Questions (1)

Vlad2.0 (956796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974534)

Does chip wiring or transistors waste the most heat ?

Good question. It depends on the technology you use, among other things. I'll hazard a guess and say transistors do.

I don't understand why there aren't any attempts made to move away from silicon & copper/aluminum wiring ?

There are. That's the point of R&D. But do you want to front the cash to retool a billion+ dollar mfg plant? Neither does Intel.

We have quantum tunneling transistors that work right now !

See previous answer.

Re:Questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14975480)

Most of the heat from a chip comes from the energy lost whenever a transistor switches. The energy use of a particular gate on a chip is frequency*capacitance*voltage^2. So more efficient architectures that require less switching and chips that use lower voltages and have smaller capacitances use less power.

Pentium Extreme Edition (5, Funny)

NullProg (70833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974319)

New acronym alert:

      PEE

Re:Pentium Extreme Edition (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974446)

Predicted new acronyms:

"Super Hot Incredible Thoroughbred Edition" - The Pentium SHITE

"Pentium Holy Toledo" - Pentium HOT

Re:Pentium Extreme Edition (1)

MyNameIsEarl (917015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975127)

Funny how Thoroughbred and Toledo are both AMD core names and yet you use them in your attempt to poke fun at Intel.

Re:Pentium Extreme Edition (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975287)

Seriously? (o0) Um mine wasn't much of a post anyway. Wayy to tired after a day's work, and I don't really mind Intel's stuff- they'll come back at ATI eventually.

Re:Pentium Extreme Edition (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975524)

See? My brain is fried. Back at AMD not ATI.

*goes to bed*

Re:Pentium Extreme Edition (1)

Fragbert (539999) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975548)

PEE: For when your apps really gotta go!

Re:Pentium Extreme Edition (1)

Aqua_boy17 (962670) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975593)

"PEE" Is this really the acronym, or is this how you solve the cooling problems?

Oh lord... (1)

D3r1v3D (526854) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974328)

Intel launches new Pentium Super-Hyper-Mega-Extreme edition. Is it really difficult to think up new product names that don't remind me of Mountain Dew?

Yet another acronym (1)

Aqua_boy17 (962670) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975739)

Or...You could have the: Super-Hyper-Mega-Extreme-Gaming-Machine-Advantage system. Otherwise known to those in gaming circles as 'SHMEGMA'

"Maximum Extrene 3!" (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14974723)

This sounds like the movie mentioned in "Charley's Angels": "Maximum Extreme III".

"Now, from the makers of the Itanic! The Pentium Maximum Extreme III!"

Of course, the real question is the color of the cooling fins. It has to have exotic cooling fins, or it won't sell.

Ricer? (1)

Misch (158807) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975229)

Will it go faster if I put an "AMD" or a "Honda Type-R" sticker on it? We'll have to start a site called "ChipCops" to go along with RiceCops.com [ricecops.com]

Re:Ricer? (1)

BigCheese (47608) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975365)

If you want it to go REALLY fast you gotta put yellow stripes on it.

But the price? (1)

BigBuckHunter (722855) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975313)

This is probably a dumb question, but who buys these things? I assume that they're not in use in the enterprise or high-end workstation market. Do rich kids really spend $1K on a cpu and $500 on a graphics card? I would have thought they blew their monthly allowance on stickers for their "R" series rice rocket.

I have to assume that EE's are extremely limited in quanity and released for marketing purposes. Ping me if that's untrue.

BBH

Question (0)

jmn2519 (954154) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975436)

Does the 965 product number refer to the number of watts drawn or the number of BTUs given off?

When will we see 4 GHz? (1)

SiliconEntity (448450) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975589)

Anyone who follows processor clock speeds will be aware that they suddenly stopped increasing a few years ago. While this is technically not a failure of Moore's law, at a minimum it does reflect some kind of failure to keep up with previous levels of progress. Certainly a few years ago the suggestion that we would still not have 4 GHz processors in 2006 would have been laughable, based on extrapolating previous trends.

Does anyone have any guesses on when we will finally see commercial 4 GHz processors? Will it never happen? Will we still have 3.75 GHz in 2010? 2020? Has progress in this area simply stopped? Or if not, when will it start up again?

It's misleading advertising (2, Insightful)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 8 years ago | (#14975696)

I think by now most of us on these kinds of discussion boards know that the price differential between the extreme and non-extreme versions of Intel chips is not worth the extra punch that the cache increase extreme denotes. Unfortunately, they will sell a lot of these to people who don't know any better. Some of them will be to people we know who will then wonder why our cheaper machines perform the same or better. Others will remain convinced that they bought the best and will lash themselves to believing they were not duped.

To me, this is indicative of a lot of the market now. Really, you don't need a 700 dollar video card to play any game out on the market. True, with the more expensive card you will get better resolutions on very large or multiple monitors, but most people don't have them. I know people whole have 17 inch monitors who were almost suckered by the hype that you need a high priced card just to play FEAR at all. Ditto, BF2. This really has been driven by the hardware companies and hardware sites that like to torture test hardware. Not in and of itself a bad thing, but to the uninitiated, it can be misleading. Especially when coupled with hardware companies that implicitly promote this untruth.

Unfortunately, the extreme edition etc, is symbolic of companies that feel a loss because their profit slipped from the previous year, in spite of the fact they are still making good money. No doubt some of these execs still sleep at night dreaming of another Y2K scam to rake in the dollars from sales of hardware most people don't need, or in the end, even want.

That is what I believe is at the root of this kind of marketing. And I don't see it going away, I see it becoming more rife.
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