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Sun Grid DOS'd

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the don't-blink-or-you'll-miss-it dept.

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feronti writes "So, it didn't take long... CNET is reporting that Sun's new Grid computing service (reported yesterday) has already been the victim of a DDOS attack. "

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obligatory (2, Funny)

Orrin Bloquy (898571) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982099)

Oh, it was slashdotted.

Re:obligatory (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982523)

LOL GRIDS [wikipedia.org]

Cause & Effect (5, Funny)

duerra (684053) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982102)

The outage, Sun reports, began at around 04:43PM, on Wednesday March 22, as every geek in the world seemingly had nothing else to do at the time.

(Yes, I went there. And yes, that was just unacceptable. I know. hEhE)

Re:Cause & Effect (-1)

qw(name) (718245) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982361)

I don't see what so newsworthy about the article. Companies get attacked all the time. A company, Sun, experienced a DDoS. Ok. They handled it well so what's the story?

Re:Cause & Effect (0)

qw(name) (718245) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983391)

I don't see what so newsworthy about the article. Companies get attacked all the time. A company, Sun, experienced a DDoS. Ok. They handled it well so what's the story?
I think my comment was valid. Is this newsworthy because it was Sun? I still don't get it.

Re:Cause & Effect (0, Offtopic)

clydemaxwell (935315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14984450)

Your self-reply scored higher than your original comment.
That..is amazing.

Re:Cause & Effect (3, Funny)

buckyboy314 (928081) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983418)

When the DoS ended, service technicians reportedly found a fresh pot of tea in the output tray.

Did it do it to itself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982108)

The world's first self-overwhelming computer. Or was that a MS-DOS machine?

Re:Did it do it to itself? (0)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982295)

They don't call it DOS for nothin'. Hehehe... ;P (As a sidenote imagine a distributed cluster of MS-DOS machines and how they would perform. DDOS. Hehehehe... Too funny.)

Re:Did it do it to itself? (1)

BadAndyJ (963176) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983174)

Ah ha... so, you want to someone to use MS-DOS, clustered, to attack MS in a sort of "MS-DDoS" via MS-DOS. To that end, wouldn't it be even better to get a few PC-DOSs in there too? I mean, they were licenced from MS... And then there's the Novel-DOS. Now how novel would that be? A MS-Novel-DDoS attack. (ie: Using Novel Dos for a DDoS on MS) Just nutty stuff. The Acronym soup NEVER ends!

Re:Did it do it to itself? (1)

iced_773 (857608) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983560)


Don't forget DDOS, I mean DR-DOS.

half day (1)

AshFan (879808) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982115)

Sounds like a programmer at an unnamed competing firm took a half day off.

Re:half day (1)

Orrin Bloquy (898571) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982125)

Bueller...Bueller...Bueller?

Sun Grid (4, Funny)

Scoria (264473) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982122)

So, would you say that the Sun Grid should now be considered "off the grid?"

Don't worry, I'll be here all week.

Re:Sun Grid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982157)

Actually, no.

From TFA:

The attacks didn't disturb the regular grid, Sun said. "There was no degradation to performance for users inside the Sun Grid," spokesman Brett Smith said.

DOS? (3, Funny)

Eightyford (893696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982137)

Sun uses DOS?

Jackasses (5, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982138)

Why do people do this? Sun provided a publicly available text to speech service as a cute little marketing gimmick. Thanks to the efforts of these yahoos, however, Sun has moved the service inside the grid so that it is only available to subscribers. Cool things that could have been done with this free service (Sun suggests making blogs into podcasts) now can only be done by GridEngine subscribers.

And what have these self-righteous "hackers" proved? Abso-fracking-lutely nothing. Sun's Grid was never in danger, and they had no problem moving the service.

So thank you very much for spoiling things for everyone. I hope you "hackers" enjoyed it.

Re:Jackasses (4, Insightful)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982173)

They proved something alright (from TFA):

That position dovetails with one long held by Sun Chief Executive Scott McNealy. "Absolute anonymity breeds irresponsibility," he said in a 2003 interview. "Audit trails and authentication provide a much more civil society."

Re:Jackasses (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982305)

And yet, other services manage just fine dealing with the occasional jerk. Apparently, Sun have never heard of the concept of "limits" and didn't know how to stop someone from taking up too much time. Strangely, "big iron" has been doing that since day one. It doesn't make me want to pay money to Sun for anything important.

To summarize... (2, Funny)

gurutc (613652) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982377)

Proves that 'If you build it, they will come.'

Re:Jackasses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982545)

"Audit trails and authentication provide a much more civil society."

Stay in line, #12412512. We're watching you.

Re:Jackasses (1, Interesting)

Cyno (85911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982565)

That's assuming we believe Sun when they say "hackers" did this. Until I see more evidence I think they're doing another publicity stunt, trying to promote their authentication system and a "more civil society". Either that or to explain why the Grid is having problems handling the bandwidth, etc. I simply don't trust them. They have a long way to go to earn my trust. I trust Sun to be Sun like I trust hackers to be hackers.

Re:Jackasses (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982622)

Until I see more evidence I think they're doing another publicity stunt, trying to promote their authentication system and a "more civil society".

The author of the article pulled a quote from 3 years ago to satisfy his/her soundbite requirements. I don't see how this is Sun's fault. (Unless you also believe that the reporter is in Sun's pocket.)

Paranoid much?

Re:Jackasses (2, Interesting)

Cyno (85911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982991)

The question is are you paranoid enough?

http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?N ewsID=5466 [techworld.com]
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/27/142223 0 [slashdot.org]
http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/toolkit/security/e mail/0,39027176,39168559,00.htm [zdnet.com.au]
http://www.gridtoday.com/03/0526/030526.html [gridtoday.com]
http://distributedcomputing.info/news.html [distribute...uting.info]

This thing has a lot of people's names on it. If it flops someone has to take the blame.

Re:Jackasses (1)

twiddlingbits (707452) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983023)

The bandwidth is there, 5,000 servers worth. Major companies have been using the grid on a contract basis for quite some time, this was the first time it was open to "Mom and Pop" to use to balance the checkbook. It's NOT a publicity stunt, crap like this happens all the time, Sun just admitted to it most companies don't.

Re:Jackasses (1)

qw(name) (718245) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983449)

Just ask anyone who works on the frontline (IDS and firewall admins) and they'll tell you that attacks happen all the time. This one made the news because Sun actually told the media. They handled the whole situation very well, IMO.

Re:Jackasses (1)

pedantic bore (740196) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983163)

Either that or to explain why the Grid is having problems handling the bandwidth, etc

Uh, yeah?

Sun claims that their grid is having problems handling the bandwidth of a DDoS. What part of this is hard to believe?

Announce a new service, expect a DDoS. That's the world we live in. The only thing Sun does that's different is admit it instead of dismissing it with some dopey error message (Bad Server! No Cookie for You!)

Re:Jackasses (4, Funny)

mizhi (186984) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982585)

Probably has something to do with this:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 [penny-arcade.com]

Re:Jackasses (2, Funny)

mav[LAG] (31387) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983896)

You know you've been on Slashdot for too long when:
  • you recognize that URL instantly
  • you still laugh out loud without having to click through


Re:Jackasses (1)

HardCase (14757) | more than 8 years ago | (#14984233)

I guess I still have some time to spend...

Re:Jackasses (3, Interesting)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982678)

That position dovetails with one long held by Sun Chief Executive Scott McNealy. "Absolute anonymity breeds irresponsibility," he said in a 2003 interview. "Audit trails and authentication provide a much more civil society."

They only proved that partial anonymity breeds irresponsibility. Sun and any sort of response they make would have a tough time being anonymous. So, on one hand you have the "bad guys" who have almost complete anonymity to cover their 'extra-legal' activities and on the other hand you have the "good guys" without much anonymity and so are unable to respond in kind.

Adding audit trails and authentication just changes the identities of the "bad guys" from those who are outside the system to those who own the system and thus can erase the audit trails as needed (for example, the brazilian the british coppers shot and killed in the tube last summer - despite being the most surveiled society on the planet the incident was not recorded on camera due to a 'temporary malfunction' -- yeah RIGHT).

Re:Jackasses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14983538)

they clearly need more cameras

Re:Jackasses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14983612)

Is that Scott "You have no privacy. Get over it!" McNealy of Sun Microsystems?

Re:Jackasses (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982229)

I'm sure some bozo will now chime in how the hackers were "white hats" and they were only trying to "help" Sun improve their security.

Yeah, sure.

This continual barrage of so-called "hackers" is doing only one thing: turning our computerised world into a gigantic "police state" of sorts. There will NEVER be a day when all security "issues" have been addressed. NEVER. But, thanks to the efforts of pinheads like these, our operating systems and environments are becoming more and more encumbered with security of every kind and type. We can't write a C program without having to worry about stack-smashers. We can't open a ZIP file without a virus scanner. It's hit and miss browsing the web...you may be the lucky winner of some kind of embedded trap Microsoft/Mozilla/Opera/whomever hasn't accounted for yet. And the arms race continues!

Remember the days when no one had a firewall? When you could happily "finger" someone's account on another system? Forget it..those days are long gone. We all live in gated communities now. Can't put your system on the raw internet without half a dozen kiddies with portscanners hitting you up within seconds. Oh but it's for "security". Sure. They're only doing it for my own good, as the apologists say.

Re:Jackasses (2, Informative)

dfj225 (587560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982292)

Sure, I'll bite. I would say that any "white hat" hacker would notify the company of security vulnerabilities within their system instead of exploiting them with no warning. I think actually releasing or using exploits against a system that you do not own, operate, or have permission to run said exploits on would remove you from the "white hat" group. Believe it or not, some people are able to research software security without feeling the need to run exploits in the wild. Only those who are irresponsible or malicious would do that, and these types are typically not the ones creating the exploits to being with.

Amen! (1)

0xdeaddead (797696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983755)

But let me let you in on a little secret. Its the kiddies and its a sliding window of 'vulnarability'. Go and get some 1980's OS, and plug it in. It'll be fine! Honestly!

Re:Jackasses (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982373)


So thank you very much for spoiling things for everyone. I hope you "hackers" enjoyed it.

You are welcome. It was fun, but I still feel a little empty. What is your ISP again?

Re:Jackasses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982442)

What is your ISP again?

I've publicly posted my dynamic IP here [dyndns.com] . See if you can take it down, asshat!

Re:Jackasses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14983228)


WTF, are all you folks humor impared? IT WAS A JOKE, SON!!!!

Re:Jackasses (2, Interesting)

sootman (158191) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982836)

Cool things that could have been done with this free service (Sun suggests making blogs into podcasts)...

Speaking of which if anyone is interested in doing this, you can use OS X's (so-so) voices:
$ say -f blogfile.txt -o podcast.aiff
Then use iTunes to convert to MP3 or AAC. `man say` for more options. Introduced in 10.3.

I'm not saying this is better than what Sun offered, or that those hackers weren't assholes... just mentioning something that people might be interested in.

Thanks (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982998)

Thanks for the tip.

I'd actually been wondering if there was a way to do that for a while ... pretty neat.

They really need to do something about their voices though. I remember when they brought them out ("Mac-in-talk-pro-english-vic-tor-ia" anyone?) and it seems like they haven't done a bit of work since then.

I've often thought it would be cool if you got a text-to-speech system that was good enough to make a 'poor mans audiobook,' by passing some Project Gutenberg texts into a program and having it spit out MP3s, but I think the voices would drive me crazy in short order. I can't really imagine sitting and listening to Tolstoy from Fred, Agnes, Princess, Junior, or any of the other Apple voices.

Re:Jackasses (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983432)

And for linux users: Speech Synthesis & Analysis Software [linux-sound.org] at linux-sound.org. Some of the programs (most notably, Festival [ed.ac.uk] ) also run on Windows. Of course, it doesn't sound amazing out of the box, but it's Free and free.

Your BSGness is showin. (1)

Genady (27988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983848)

Frakin' posers.

What did the prove? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14984282)

They proved that by being a prick, they can get nice things taken away from everyone.

I hope they are proud of themselves, and that we meet up in a dark alley someday.

They're lucky (5, Funny)

yootje (770109) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982150)

They're lucky Slashdot didn't linked to the project, otherwise they would've been DDOS'd for the second time.

Re: Slashdot effect (1)

Pejorian (258646) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982402)

Slashdot *did* link to the Grid website. Maybe the grid was simply Slashdotted!

Sun Grid (2, Insightful)

daeg (828071) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982153)

Pretty damn cool idea, actually. I'm not sure about their demo application (unless the speech quality was superb), but a cool idea nonetheless. Could especially be nice for cracking passwords on things like RAR archives where you have to use brute force attacks. I imagine opening up old password protected archives could be very valuable to businesses (particulary since businesses tend to repeat passwords, e.g., discover one and you probably discovered a bunch).

Not very useful to the public at large, though.

brilliant! (4, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982169)

Now that's sheer brilliance! How come I never thought about running DOS on a cluster of machines? What's that? Wrong DOS you say?

Re:brilliant! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982246)

I'm surprised no one tried to use the grid to execute a DOS attack. Maybe they're waiting for next week to try that.

Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (3, Informative)

poopie (35416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982192)

Let's keep things straight - three are enough confusing three letter acronyms.

Denial of Service is still worth writing out. Most wanna-be geeks see the three letters "dos" in any capitalization combination and think of Microsoft Disk Operating system.

Slashdot story submitters should know the difference between DOS and DoS, but due to the stupid l33tsp33k crud, nobody takes capitalization seriously.

I think that outside of security or incident response venues, denial of service should be written in full and not abbreviated.

Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (2, Informative)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982228)

Actually, there is a difference between DOS and MSDOS. DOS, Disk Operating System, is a generic term.

Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (1)

poopie (35416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982322)

Yeah, but let's be honest, what fraction of one percent of the world's population has ever used anything other than Microsoft's disk operating system that was actually called "DOS"?

TRS-DOS? Amiga DOS? ProDOS? CP/M DOS? DR-DOS? FreeDOS?

As disk became ubiquitous, DOS became OS

Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982861)

It was originally IBM PCDOS, but there was also DRDOS (Digital Research DOS).

And of course, there's still FreeDOS, which ships with the Dell nSeries.

Considering that at one time, there was only PCDOS, I think the percentage is a lot higher than you think, Mr. Pedantic.

Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (1)

trollable (928694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983007)

... disk operating system that was actually called "DOS"? TRS-DOS? Amiga DOS? ProDOS? CP/M DOS? DR-DOS? FreeDOS?

DOS. The real one. Apple ][ DOS 3. And it was used by a large percentage of people, well 20 years ago.

Re: Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982286)

As opposed to Distributed Denial of Service, DDoS, which is when all the girls you know conspire not to give you any.

Re: Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (0, Redundant)

bigtrike (904535) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982511)

Distributed Disk Operating System?

Re: Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (1)

rmallico (831443) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982791)

heh... or doing some 'probing' to find open ports :)

Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (0, Redundant)

Zaatxe (939368) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982290)

Thanks heavens! For a second I thought they would have ruined everything by installing DOS in the grid...

Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (1)

Tweekster (949766) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982321)

Geeks 10 years ago saw "DOS" (or any combo of it) and thought Disk operating system... time doesnt stand still and no one today thinks of DOS as that anymore except a few old timers that havent adapted.

Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (1)

poopie (35416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982345)

Non-geeks see 'DOS', 'DoS', and 'DDoS" and have no idea what they mean.

Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (1)

Tweekster (949766) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982444)

and non geeks really arent concerned about Sun's Grid so your point is moot.

Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (1)

NATIK (836405) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982557)

I wouldnt call my self an old timer (I am 18), but hen I see DOS I think Disk Operating System, when I see DoS or DDoS I think (Distributed) Denial of service. I still use DOS on some old machines though so might be why I still think about it. Even though people may not use DOS so much anymore, the correct abbreviations should still be used for it, as it does help people understand what the hell you are talking about.

The real cause (2, Funny)

I Like Pudding (323363) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982213)

One guy set up a distributed job to run this:

#!/bin/sh
$0 &
exec $0

Re:The real cause (2, Funny)

Zaatxe (939368) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982331)

I like "while(1) {fork();}" better...

My operating system teacher told us about this one and told us never to do that. Needless to say that a dude wrote, compiled and run this code like 5 minutes after the end of the class... in our main server... pfff...

Re:The real cause (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982468)

And I guess your server wasn't setup with resource limits... teacher should have kept their mouth shut if so.

Doing the equivalent on Windows (using CreateProcess normally) brings the system down nice and quick though (Windows doesn't even support resource limits so there's no way the admins can stop you).

Re:The real cause (1)

Zaatxe (939368) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982666)

That's right, the server didn't have resources limits. In "the day after", the teacher told us it's because it's supposed to be a "academic environment". Of course this changed in a heartbeat after this episode. And of course the teacher regreted telling us that.

Re:The real cause (1)

feijai (898706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14984314)

Another fun one:

while(!fork());

This one is essentially un-killable as it keeps changing its PID. Here's more such fun:

while(!fork()) fork();

hehe...

Re:The real cause (1)

electronerdz (838825) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982788)

Hmmm... if they had Linux computers in Best Buy, people would be putting that in the bootup, kinda like format c: /autotest

I just tried it on an Ubuntu system I had... lasted about 30 seconds... now to try the fork method mentioned

Wrong Department (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982214)

This should have been posted at from the what-the-hell-did-you-think-was-going-happen-? dept.

The summary forgot to mention the rest (5, Funny)

moochfish (822730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982220)

So, it didn't take long... CNET is reporting that Sun's new Grid computing service (reported yesterday) has already been the victim of a DDOS attack. "

...As thousands of hackers asked The Grid... What is The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything?

Re:The summary forgot to mention the rest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982255)

And the danm thing coudn't even come up with 42!

Re:The summary forgot to mention the rest-REPLY! (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982832)

As thousands of hackers asked The Grid... What is The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything?

And the Grid replied: 101010

Re:The summary forgot to mention the rest (1)

CerealFan (459175) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982864)

I believe the question was "How can the net amount of entropy of the universe be massively decreased?"

(a la Asimov: http://adin.dyndns.org/adin/TheLastQ.htm [dyndns.org] )

Re:The summary forgot to mention the rest (1)

squizzz (925033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983753)

So, it didn't take long... CNET is reporting that Sun's new Grid computing service (reported yesterday) has already been the victim of a DDOS attack. "

...As thousands of hackers asked The Grid... What is The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything?


No way this could be the reason... I am sure they have this one precalculated.

soooo..... (1)

Yellow Crane (958553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982279)

....I'm thinking the technical term for this would be "eclipse", right?

Ok, in all seriousness, it isn't so suprising, it was a big target and some people are just going to take the shot -- which it too bad since the DoSers could have used thier time for more important works...like acing GoDaddy severs, or better yet some M$ site."

my $.02

Re:soooo..... (1)

backwardMechanic (959818) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982372)

But what's the point? Is there really much kudos in taking down access to a marketing gimick? It's a bit like taking down the video server on BMWs web site. The grid itself was completely untouched, and carried on buisness as usual. It just means the rest of us can't play. Pointless, technically unimpressive.

Great Name (1)

m_member (771187) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982355)

"Aisling MacRunnels, Sun's senior director of utility computing"

Re:Great Name (1)

miller701 (525024) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983965)

How did he get that name? Did his parents write "Alistair MacDonald" on a Newton?

Cool project (1)

Life700MB (930032) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982367)


I really like the idea behind this Sun's project [network.com] (network.com? I'm sure it was not cheap to get that domain). It even makes me wanna install JBuilder or something by the way and program in Java again.


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Re:Cool project (1)

hutchike (837402) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982924)

www.network.com cost Sun $3bn, but they got a company called StorageTek thrown into the deal for free ;-) See Jon Schwartz' blog [sun.com] for details...

Re:Cool project (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982962)

Network.com was a domain name they aquired when they bought StorageTek. StorageTek bought Network Systems Corp awhile back and that's where they got it.

Nice to see Sun put it to a good use though, as StorageTek never really did anything with it.

So they bought the domain name for $4 Billion (they got other stuff as part of the deal too)

Re:Cool project (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14983032)

They got the domain name network.com with the acquisition of StorageTek. more details on Jonathan's blog on http://java.sun.com/developers/blogs [sun.com]

Paypal? (1)

ats-tech (770430) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982407)

Sun feels comfortable because they use Paypal as a form of user verification. What could go wrong with that? /sarcasm

Please, rewrite this in english. (4, Insightful)

Tei (520358) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982488)

Please somehome with good english rewrite this post.

Sun, as always, have some very good futuristic ideas. Ideas too good for nowdays, but will work on the future.

You already know Java, and "The network is the computer", and theres is another The Grid.

The Grid is another use of the internet, as The Web is the net of web pages, The Grid is the net of network resources shaped in a way that A Single Execution can run on a virtual giganteous virtual computer. Its not magic, only code written to use this level of paralelism will work, and you need to use some "standard" framework, but is still C, (or perl if you want) code. As I write this, theres some guys migrating applications to the Grid framework.

Actually the need for that giganteouse computational power on a simple C executable is experiemental data generated by particle accelerators like the LHC (aka, from the CERN, the same guys create the World Wide Web). Withouth the Grid you have not enough computational horsepower to analize that much data.

Sun, and these guys think this interesting use of technology will grown, and soon guys like Liberty, Visa, Bayer, etc.. will use that horsepower to crunch hugue computational problems, problems that huge that actually looks not feasible. And because The Grid use some sort of "p2p" alike technology ... You Can Join The Grid!.. and theres are lots and lots of grid nodes on universitys around the world. So your scientific app is calculated trough 90 nodes, that where 90 computers around the world, but you only execute a single C app (a C batch app).

With this setup, Its a non-sense that hackers attack sun. WHY?!!!.. The Grid is a idea a true hacker sould LOVE, not hate or attack. Imagine a world where "hackers" attacking the first web server to shutdown the worldwideweb idea. What lameness...

I am a hacker, and I think these guys hare not more than vandals withouth respect for technology, or withouth pride for scientific effors on IT.

Re:Please, rewrite this in english. (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982785)

Sun isn't the first group to do this. Maybe you remember SETI@Home?

And I'll admit that I don't know enough of the history of Java or "The network is the computer" to know whether Sun actually invented them. However, Sun did NOT invent the Grid.

I don't think it should be attacked either, but let's not pretend it's going to change the world.

Re:Please, rewrite this in english. (0, Flamebait)

twiddlingbits (707452) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983098)

WRONG!! You don't have to write highly specific code that can be run in parallel, you can run several different apps on several different machines if you want to and combine the results. You can run huge number crunching algorithms or you can do your Sodoku game. Whatever you want as long as it will run on Solaris 10 and X86 architecture. P.S. learn to do your homework on something before commenting, then learn to write and learn to spell.

Kinda missleading (3, Interesting)

ChrisRijk (1818) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982494)

The way the summary is written, you'd think that actual site was down or something. But the website and grid itself was fine - it was just the free example (running on separate hardware) that got busy. (I dunno how busy - I accessed it yesterday and it was fine at the time).

I dunno, Slashdot could have reported on something more meaningful - like Sun GPL'ing their latest processor. You can download it here:
http://opensparc-t1.sunsource.net/download_hw.html [sunsource.net]

There's a decent write-up here:
http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn032106-story01. html [itjungle.com]

Manufacturing fab not included...

Re:Kinda missleading (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982830)

The GPL SPARC thing was a story a couple of days ago, just FYI.

Tinfoil Hat Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982752)

Thought-provoking little paragraph at the end of the article, mentioning that Sun's authentication requirement in response to the alleged "DDoS attack":
dovetails with (a position) long held by Sun Chief Executive Scott McNealy. "Absolute anonymity breeds irresponsibility," he said in a 2003 interview. "Audit trails and authentication provide a much more civil society."
Howww conveeeenient... Conspiracy theory anyone?

Do Unto Others... (1, Flamebait)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14982803)

Sun should use their Grid to DDoS back the attacking machines. After all, Sun has a formidable weapon here now.

Re:Do Unto Others... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983456)

Sun's fully functional compute grid is insignificant compared to the power of the skript kiddies.

tub6Girl (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14982956)

well-eknown [goat.cx]

YOU ARE WRONG, POSTER (2, Informative)

Heembo (916647) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983556)

The sun grin did NOT GET DOS'ed. The DEMO SERVER got dos'ed, and when they moved such code back into the grid the DOS attack was mitigated. RTFA.

That's what you get... (1)

mr_jrt (676485) | more than 8 years ago | (#14983665)

...for meddling with the mighty memmaker's carefully generated config.sys and autoexec.bat :)

mod( 0p (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14983744)

abysmaL sales and has run fastelr

Lucky Sun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14984025)

They're getting another day in the /. limelight.

spo8ge (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14984411)

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Sun also reported... (1)

theendlessnow (516149) | more than 8 years ago | (#14984703)

Sun also reported...that their grid went down harder and faster than similar offerings from HP and IBM. Once again proving the superiority of the new Niagra based platforms! If you trade in your old DDOS'd equipment, Sun will give you 10% off!
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