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Slashback: Vista Rewrite, Tuttle Travesty, Mac Botnets

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the engage-brain-before-putting-mouth-in-motion dept.

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Slashback tonight brings some corrections, clarifications, and updates to previous Slashdot stories including Microsoft denies Vista rewrite, Tuttle Oklahoma city manager still doesn't get it, MS Virtual Server slips and VMWare fills the gap, Samsung execs plead guilty to price fixing charges, Tux in retail part 2, a renewed bid to register the Linux trademark in Australia, OpenSPARC.net shades of the past, and a follow up on Mac botnets -- Read on for details.

Microsoft denies Vista rewrite. moochfish writes "Contrary to a heavily doubted feature earlier this week, Business 2.0 magazine reports that Microsoft will not be rewriting large portions of its operating system. From the article, 'Microsoft's own blogger Robert Scoble checked into the story and got a denial from an executive at Microsoft's PR firm, who says he's not aware of any Xbox programmers working on Windows.'"

Tuttle Oklahoma city manager still doesn't get it. gEvil (beta) writes "The Register has posted a followup to this past week's wonderfully humorous story about Tuttle, Oklahoma's technically inept city manager, Jerry Taylor. It appears that Mr. Taylor is not pleased with the publicity he has received due to the incident, despite his prior statement of, 'I have no fear of the media, in fact I welcome this publicity.' He sent an email to the Register's marketing team asking that people stop emailing him and making fun of him."

MS Virtual Server Slips and VMWare fills in the gap. nizo writes "On the heels of the announcement that Microsoft Virtual Server is slipping to 2007, VMware has announced the beta release of the VMware Virtual Machine Importer, which has the capability to convert system images stored in 3rd party formats (including Microsoft Virtual Server images) to VMware virtual machines. The good news is VMware released the importer as a free download."

Samsung execs plead guilty to price fixing charges. bdotcdot writes "Electronics News is running a story on Samsung executives who have plead guilty to the price fixing of DRAM. From the story 'According to the one-count felony charge filed in federal court in San Francisco, at various times during the period from April 1, 1999, to June 15, 2002, these three Samsung employees conspired with unnamed employees from other memory makers to fix the prices of DRAM sold to certain computer and server manufacturers in the U.S., in violation of the Sherman Act. The conspiracy directly affected sales to U.S. computer makers Dell Inc., Hewlett-Packard Company, Compaq Computer Corp., International Business Machines Corp., Apple Computer Inc. and Gateway Inc., the charge said.'"

Tux in retail part 2. silentbob4 writes "Mad Penguin brings us the second and final installment in their 'Tux in Retail' series, in which they interview Linspire CEO Kevin Carmony; Xandros CEO Andreas Typaldos; Mepis Linux founder Warren Woodford; and Kevin Jones, Micro Center Vice President of Merchandising, to get their take Tux's jump into big box retail. The first installment was run as an earlier Slashdot article."

Renewed bid to register Linux trademark in Australia? daria42 writes "A renewed bid to register the word 'Linux' as an Australian trademark must meet an early April deadline or face defeat." From the article: "'The deadline to file a response to the Examiner's rejection has not yet passed, and LMI and its attorneys are still determining if they will respond,' a spokesperson for the body told ZDNet Australia in an emailed statement."

OpenSPARC.net, shades of the past. Andy Updegrove writes "In what must have seemed to many as a bold move, Sun Microsystems recently announced that it would release the source code for its UltraSparc T1 processor under the GPL, supported by a new organization that it calls OpenSPARC.net. But to those that have been around for a while, the announcement had an eerily familiar sound to it, and that sound was the echo of an organization called SPARC International. Formed 18 years ago to license the SPARC chip design to multiple vendors to ensure second sourcing for the hardware vendors that Sun hoped would adopt it, SPARC International seemed to be every bit as revolutionary for its time as Sun's new initiative does today. Motorola launched a somewhat similar group called 88open to support its own RISC chip design, and later IBM, Motorola and Apple launched the PowerOpen Association to promote the PowerPC. The Websites of the PowerOpen Association and 88open are long gone, and seem to have escaped even the WayBack Machine's reach. But SPARC International's site, looking very retro and neglected, can still be seen - at least for now."

Follow up on Mac botnets. An anonymous reader writes "Washingtonpost.com has an interesting follow up to skeptical claims as a result of a previous Slashdot story. Mac OS X systems have indeed been spotted in botnets, thanks largely to several worms going around that take advantage of Web-based applications running vulnerable PHP software. From the article: 'By leveraging this PHP flaw, the attackers were able to seed the Mac systems with several tools designed to turn them into drones for use in waging destructive distributed denial of service attacks.'

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"Mac" botnets are nothing more than *NIX botnets (5, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022145)

And they usually come from the same place, as the followup notes:

A php-based web application (forum, blog, CMS, etc.) that has an exploit, usually php injection, whereby various script/botnet kiddie tools and irc-related items are installed, usually in /tmp or /var/tmp. Perhaps they'll install a php shell too. Sometimes, they'll try to run a rootkit against the local machine.

This is nothing new, and doesn't really have anything to do with "Macs". It has more to do with php and people not keeping their php-based web applications up to date than anything[1]. It is interesting, though, that since Mac OS X is essentially a UNIX, that it's certainly vulnerable to a whole slew of this family of exploits.

[1] Just as a Mac sitting on the internet with apache and ssh open doesn't really test anything beyond the security of the default configurations of apache and OpenSSH on that OS and architecture. And that's exactly the point.

Re:"Mac" botnets are nothing more than *NIX botnet (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022236)

by the way, php also runs on non-unix machines too... I think even windows is included in the supported platforms list.

Re:"Mac" botnets are nothing more than *NIX botnet (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022286)

Just as a Mac sitting on the internet with apache and ssh open doesn't really test anything beyond the security of the default configurations of apache and OpenSSH on that OS and architecture. And that's exactly the point.

Except when the OS in question is Windows. Then it is the personal shortcoming of William "Retardy Boy" Gates and Steve "Fucking Kill Them, I Swear I Will Fucking Bury Them, Eric Schmidt Is A Fucking Pussy" Ballmer.

But seriously: don't you think that we notice all the Apple-apologists around here? Of course we totally believe that you are absolutely not astroturfing for your master Steve "The Rim" Jobs and his iCockslaves.

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022756)

please... very true!

Re:"Mac" botnets are nothing more than *NIX botnet (1)

procrastin8r (956681) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022870)

Yeah, well Windoze earned its reputation as a buggy, inseure OS. Maybe every single accusation isn't quite fair, but the majority are, and until ms improves its products it will stay the same.

Re:"Mac" botnets are nothing more than *NIX botnet (3, Informative)

Bonker (243350) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022348)

It's also worth noting that the exploits are against 'PHP applications' and not PHP itself.

I can't count the number of terrified middle managers who scream bloody murder to me about PHPNuke or PHPBB bugs, thinking that the flaws are in PHP itself.

Again, this boils down to keeping your software up to date. Careful pruning of your php.ini file also helps.

Why Is This In Your Rights Online?!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022193)

None of these stories really have anything to do with my rights online or offline.

Can the editors explain this? Why do you think so many stories are about "rights" when very little of them actually do?

Re:Why Is This In Your Rights Online?!! (1)

TommyBlack (899306) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022534)

well, one of the stories is about trademark, which is explicitly a rights-related issue (specifically, for instance, the right to property)

Mr Tuttle (4, Funny)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022197)

It appears that Mr. Taylor is not pleased with the publicity he has received due to the incident, despite his prior statement of, 'I have no fear of the media, in fact I welcome this publicity.'

Yeah, the publicity isn't so great when it's not the local ABC affiliate oohing and aahing over your latest plan to put a new tree in the city park, is it?

Re:Mr Tuttle (2, Informative)

LDoggg_ (659725) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022890)

There was a pretty good and mostly objective wikipedia page [wikipedia.org] about the guy.

Unfortunately it has been removed.

Looks like Mr Taylor wasn't bluffing about his FBI connections.

MS Virtual Server slips and VMWare fills the gap (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022200)

More like VMWare rocks and MS Virtual Server remains irrelevant

Re:MS Virtual Server slips and VMWare fills the ga (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022288)

If only VMWare saw their consumer product as more important than their server product. Virtualizing a 3d graphics card or two would be nice.

Re:MS Virtual Server slips and VMWare fills the ga (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022479)

They're working on it. Try the Workstation beta.

Re:MS Virtual Server slips and VMWare fills the ga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022778)

well, to make a broad generalization.....

businesses tend to _buy_ software, while consumers tend not to... duh...

Re:MS Virtual Server slips and VMWare fills the ga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022325)

More like VMWare rocks and MS Virtual Server remains irrelevant

Oh because it's an MS product.
Why is everyone on slashdot so misinformed?
VS is the largest thing to come by virtualization in a long time and you'll poo-pooh it regardless.
When it ships, and when it rocks and everyone's using it, Slashdot will simply forget about it.

Re:MS Virtual Server slips and VMWare fills the ga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022516)

It has to come out first. Wonder if it shows up before or after Vista and Office 2007. While we're at it, I wonder if those actually show up in 2007 or end up getting pushed back again.

And with VMware, Xen, and UML among other products available now (and for quite some time), I wonder if virtual server products will even be worth talking about once Microsoft finally ships one.

What do you think?

Re:MS Virtual Server slips and VMWare fills the ga (2, Informative)

davidesh (316537) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022645)

we have been running Virtual Server 2005 for a while now and it runs great. I was actually surprised.

Re:MS Virtual Server slips and VMWare fills the ga (1)

ischorr (657205) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022904)

I've done a lot of reading on this, and I'm curious since I haven't seen anything like what the parent mentioned.. How is VS supposed to be better than anything that VMWare *currently* offers, let alone what they are likely to release by the time the new VS is supposed to ship?

Tuttle Oklahoma city manager: next step (3, Funny)

m_chan (95943) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022215)

Email him a tinyurl [tinyurl.com] warning him that Tuttle's site has been coopted by an outside suspect, likely terrorist-affiliated organization.

Re:Tuttle Oklahoma city manager: next step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022252)

Can I PLEASE get him to give me design lessons? I too want to learn to use five different typefaces and mixed clashing colors in official government web sites!

Re:Tuttle Oklahoma city manager: next step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022256)

Wow, dont look at the source of that page, you might barf...its that bad.

Re:Tuttle Oklahoma city manager: next step (3, Funny)

merreborn (853723) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022339)

Man, the w3 HTML validator refuses to even try to validate the site:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ftut tle-ok.gov%2F [w3.org]

Re:Tuttle Oklahoma city manager: next step (-1, Troll)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022568)

I've got a better one [tinyurl.com] to send his way.

You know he deserves it.

^^ GOATSE WARNING ^^ (3, Informative)

merreborn (853723) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022971)

Parent's link is a tinyurl of goatse.

Kinda figured it might be, personally, but I decided to click it anyway :p

Re:Tuttle Oklahoma city manager: next step (5, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022817)

Tuttle's site has been coopted by an outside suspect, likely terrorist-affiliated organization.

I thought it was Buttle who was affiliated with terrorits, not Tuttle.

The Scoop (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022231)

I'm not saying there is any truth to the 60% rewrite figure, but if I wanted to verify it I woundn't ask an on-the-record PR guy. Blogger: So is Vista in the shitter? PR guy: Sure is Ken. (seemingly from nowhere a chair hits the PR guy)

Re:The Scoop (1)

greginnj (891863) | more than 8 years ago | (#15023048)

Think about how weird this is -- "Microsoft's own Blogger" has to go ask someone from their PR firm (i.e., third-party, hired-help, outside MS) for accurate information about what's going on at Microsoft . The fact that he has to go outside his own company to get info about his own company tells you all you need to know -- forget about rewrite percentages!

PowerOpen Association and 88open (0)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022254)

Did anything at all come out of those two efforts? Even old designs might be useable for a starting point on FPGA projects ..

Re:PowerOpen Association and 88open (1)

alienw (585907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022305)

Why would you want to bother trying to implement something like this on an FPGA? It's much cheaper to just buy a processor than try to squeeze one inside an FPGA. FPGAs are much slower and much more expensive than a custom chip (a high-end FPGA chip can cost $800 or more). Their only reason for existence is to implement stuff you can't buy. Implementing completely obsolete off-the-shelf chips seems rather pointless.

Re:PowerOpen Association and 88open (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022346)

If you have to ask why one would want to learn, and expirement, then its a lost cause to explain.

Re:PowerOpen Association and 88open (1)

alienw (585907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022390)

I guess I just don't see how you could learn anything from copying someone else's chip design and putting it into an FPGA. You can learn significantly more by just simulating the processor in a good simulator and figuring out how it works. The best way to learn is to read some books and create your own design from scratch.

Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (5, Interesting)

anomaly (15035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022258)

I sent this to the city manager. I have not yet received a reply.

Sir,
I appreciate that you were frustrated that your city website was
non-functional, but it appears to me that the people to whom you
complained were not responsible, and that the tone of your messages tended
to be combative.

The folks from CentOS were being polite and helpful, based on my read of
the messages. I believe that you owe them an apology. they had
absolutely NOTHING to do with the problems you experienced, and tried to
assist you anyway. For you to respond with "I am sorry that we had to go
through the process and accusations to get the problem resolved" They did
nothing wrong. You accused them, and frankly it was uncharitable on your
part.

Please extend an official apology to those folks at www.centos.org. They
deserve it.

Please also note that I am not affiliated with CentOS in any way (except
that I use their Linux distribution quite happliy.) I read about this
spat on a technology-focused website known as slashdot
http://www.slashdot.org/ [slashdot.org]

Respectfully,

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022365)

What do you want, a cookie?

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022444)

What do you want, a cookie?

I don't know about him, but I would like a cookie. Chocolate chip please. Perhaps pecans too. :-)

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (1)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022685)

Mac-a-damia, man.
Get it straight.

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (1)

I_redwolf (51890) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022819)

Me too.. I'd prefer an oreo.. white center.. and or soft chew chocolate chip please.. mmmmmm cookies.

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (1)

jpaz (512242) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022988)

Nothing beats a warm, homemade, toll house chocolate chip cookie.

Except maybe two warm, homemade, toll house chocolate chip cookies.

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022384)

I good response, but I doubt it'll get through the thick skull of this guy. It seems to me the fatal flaw of many elected officials (and boy oh boy has this become BLINDINGLY obvious in the last 5 years) is they can't live up to their own mistakes. That gets to be a HUGE problem when you elect someone that makes a lot of mistakes.

If this guy had simply eaten a huge helping of crow after he acted like a total jerk, you can bet that this story would never have made The Register or Slashdot. Who wants to read a story about some random guy who is truly sorry about making a mistake, and has learned from it? Publishing a story such as that would only make the publication look mean spirited, as if they're trying to rub it in. That's not "news", but everyone loves to poke fun at the bullheaded guy who can't admit to failure.

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (0, Flamebait)

Shut the fuck up! (572058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022492)

How much of your life did you waste writing that? Are you such an asshole that you actually believe you will get a response or better yet an apology? Keep firing off those letters, Sparky. You'll change the world someday. Fucking dipshit.

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (5, Funny)

daeviltwin (692894) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022633)

How much of your life did you waste writing that? Are you such an asshole that you actually believe you will get a response or better yet an apology? Keep firing off those letters, Sparky. You'll change the world someday. Fucking dipshit.

How much of your life did you waste writing that? Are you such an asshole that you actually believe you will get a response or better yet an apology? Keep firing off those letters, Sparky. You'll change the world someday. Fucking dipshit.

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (1)

kv9 (697238) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022590)

The folks from CentOS were being polite and helpful, based on my read of the messages. I believe that you owe them an apology.

the guy still thinks that they (the evil hackerorrists) `helped' him after he threatened them with the FBI -- which is total bullshit, as anyone who read the email exchange [centos.org] can clearly see.

FTA: "I asked for the strange website to be removed because it blocked my City web site and I could not post public information. I only got help after threatening to contact the FBI."

so yeah, i think an apology from his part is highly unlikely.

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022614)

My note:

To the Honorable Lonnie Paxton and members of the Town Council of the City of Tuttle,

You may want to consider hiring a new town manager, replacing Mr. Jerry A. Taylor who recently earned the City of Tuttle worldwide embarrassment with his legal threats against Centos.

Mr. Taylor claims to have been a "Computer Systems Engineer" with 22 years of experience. However, upon discovering an extremely simple problem with the City of Tuttle web site, rather than proceeding to work with the hosting company responsible for the management of the City of Tuttle web site, Mr. Taylor chose to publicly harass and attempt to intimidate the developers responsible for designing a free operating system called CentOS.

What is CentOS? Like the well-known Microsoft Windows, it is an operating system. More specifically, CentOS is a FREE operating system built by volunteers, largely based on the also-free GNU and Linux projects.

Transcripts of the Mr. Taylor's juvenile threats toward CentOS are posted publicly on the Internet, and those transcripts underscore Mr. Taylor's utter incompetence, unwillingness to accept FREE help from folks who provided a FREE operating system, even though the CentOS developers have NO responsibility whatsoever to clean up Mr. Taylor's mess.

When Mr. Taylor FINALLY agreed that the Centos folks had nothing to do with the misconfiguration problem (the problem is actually due to two parties: the company hosting the City of Tuttle web site, and Mr. Jerry A. Taylor himself) he not only was not apologetic, but downright insulting in his response.

The City of Tuttle has earned worldwide ridicule in the face of this issue, and the dated and sophomoric appearance of Tuttle's now-well-publicized web site has earned widespread harsh criticism and ridicule as well.

Please consider replacing Mr. Jerry A. Taylor. Many of us feel sorry for the City of Tuttle as we believe that there are many people more deserving of his salary and who can perform a much better job were they given the opportunity to fill his position. Jerry A. Taylor's salary is money wasted right now.

Here are some of the web pages covering this story that you may wish to check out:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/tuttle_cen tos/ [theregister.co.uk]
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/27/ 135221&tid=133 [slashdot.org]
http://www.digg.com/security/Why_every_city_counci l_needs_at_least_one_geek_=%5D [digg.com]
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/27/tuttle_ema il/ [theregister.co.uk]

Mr. Taylor's outbursts and threats toward the generous CentOS folks may be seen here:

http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?sto ryid=127 [centos.org]

As you will note, Mr. Taylor's outbursts are unbecoming of a city official and earn little respect for the City of Tuttle. Even after realizing that the CentOS representatives were not to blame, but he and his web hosts are, and even after having received hundreds of emails from kind folks all over the world who are attempting to explain to him that the CentOS developers are not to blame, he is insisting that the CentOS folks would only help him after he threatened to contact the FBI. This is not only patently false, but downright slanderous and such statements could earn a defamation of character suit from CentOS. I know if I were that developer I would consider filing suit against Tuttle over such false statements made to the media.

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022931)

I think that the whole dialog was rather humorous. In reading his replies, I think that he might be one of those bosses that might be a psychopath.
See http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/96/open_boss.h tml [fastcompany.com] for the article,
and http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/96/open_boss-q uiz.html [fastcompany.com] for the quiz.
Without having met Mr. Taylor, I can only give him full points on a couple of questions, but I suspect that he'd get points on several others. I can rationalize 8 points, which puts him in the "Be Afraid" category.

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022952)

Send it to the Mayor. Town managers can be fired by the mayor and the town council. :) If you send it to Jerry, he's likely to send the email to the bit bucket unread. Better off sending it TO Lonnie Paxton and CCing Jerry Taylor.

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (1)

anomaly (15035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15023024)

I copied the mayor. :)

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15023055)

I tried to be a little more diplomatic and comprehensive in my email, but. . . I doubt he'll get replaced. Very likely he'll be rewarded for a job well done, in typical bureaucratic fashion. :(

Re:Sent to citymgr@cityoftuttle.org (1)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 8 years ago | (#15023044)

I wrote a similar letter but it sent it via snail mail to both the city manager and the mayor. You should try that instead. It might make more of an impact than email.

Best part of this whole Tuttle thing... (4, Insightful)

Heem (448667) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022260)

Is that this guy just still hasn't got a clue..

Now I am being flooded with emails from CentOS users that after knowing the answer say the problem was simple.

What I can't stand more than anything is someone that can't admit that they were wrong, even at this stage of the game.

Re:Best part of this whole Tuttle thing... (1)

Gertlex (722812) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022328)

What I can't stand more than anything is someone that can't admit that they were wrong, even at this stage of the game.


Maybe he's related to Jack Thompson?

Re:Best part of this whole Tuttle thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022404)

>What I can't stand more than anything is someone that can't admit that they were wrong, even at this stage of the game.

Maybe he's related to Jack Thompson?


What, is Jack gonna try to get this game banned, too?

Re:Best part of this whole Tuttle thing... (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022577)

That's what got him into this in the first place. A rational person would have apologized after they got the first reply from the CentOS people.

This man is clearly irrational, and not too bright.

This guy is the biggest tool ever (4, Funny)

porkThreeWays (895269) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022835)

I still can't believe this tool. He actually thinks the threat to the FBI is what prompted the CentOS developer (lead dev if I remember correctly). More likely the developer got tired of this fagtart harassing him. The city manager justified his actions by saying that anyone who is experienced on the internet knows better than to follow directions on a website. When the directions are to consult your site's administrator, I think those are pretty safe instructions.

And I can't believe this twiddle dick STILL hasn't apologized. He shoots back with "there should have been better directions". It is mind boggling that in 20 years of his supposed IT experience he's never run into a default webserver page. I really think this ass clown is deserving of any and all harassment he gets. In fact, he is deserving of a bill for CentOS's wasted time. If I had go-go gadget balls, I'd teabag that butthole surfer from 12 states away.

Re:This guy is the biggest tool ever (1)

killjoe (766577) | more than 8 years ago | (#15023025)

He is from Oklahoma. Have you ever been there? If have been there then you would know why he is acting the way he is. To him everybody who is not from OK or TX is "one of them sumbitches". The word "sumbitch" by the way is the most used word in Oklahoma as in "I'll have some eyygs (eggs) and one of those submtiches over there".

Go visit OK some time, it's an interesting sociological learning experience.

Re:This guy is the biggest tool ever (1, Informative)

Syberghost (10557) | more than 8 years ago | (#15023102)

He is from Oklahoma. Have you ever been there? If have been there then you would know why he is acting the way he is. To him everybody who is not from OK or TX is "one of them sumbitches". The word "sumbitch" by the way is the most used word in Oklahoma as in "I'll have some eyygs (eggs) and one of those submtiches over there".

Go visit OK some time, it's an interesting sociological learning experience.


Yes, please do. You could go to one of the conferences NASA holds there, or to visit Altus Air Force Base, where a bunch of "dumb Okies" teach Air Force pilots how to fly their jets to protect your freedom to make stupid bigoted statements on Slashdot. Or maybe you could meet some of thost stupid backwoods morons like astronauts Dr. Shannon Lucid, William Pogue, Owen Garriott, or any of the many other astronauts from Oklahoma. Or former Ambassador to the UN Jean Kirkpatrick. Or visit the birthplace of Wiley Post, who among other things discovered the jet stream and invented the space suit. Or visit the spaceport.

Or, you could just spout off like a bigot because God knows there are no stupid people in YOUR state.

60% of an operating system in 6 months - NO WAY (3, Insightful)

MerlynEmrys67 (583469) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022270)

Lets assume that Vista is as few as a 1000KLoc - (I'd bet another order of magnatude personally) That implies 600KLoc of new code written, tested debugged, etc. in 6 months. Uh - NO operating system development isn't that fast. I am not even sure I would buy the line that the current Vista codebase is 60% new/changed from XP (RTM - not SP2, patched to heck)

Re:60% of an operating system in 6 months - NO WAY (1)

anomaly (15035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022854)

What if the 60% number was a rewrite of the parts of Vista that are related to consumer editions, like the media center parts?

If so, the scope falls dramatically and the estimate might be on target, but 60% rewrite of anything* is a pretty big effort (* where anything is defined as 'software ready for the retail market')

VMware URL wrong (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022278)

The URL for VMware Importer beta is wrong: It should be: http://www.vmware.com/products/beta/vmimporter/ [vmware.com]

Re: Microsoft denies Vista rewrite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022293)

Mores the pity...

OpenSPARC (2, Interesting)

Brietech (668850) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022299)

I was under the impression that opening up the design of the UltraSPARC T1 was partly just to bolster interest in it (and it really is an incredible design from a hardware perspective) and partly just to allow people like EE and computer architecture students, along with hobbyists and engineers, to understand how it actually works at its most basic level. Although I realize i'm in the vast minority, as someone that actually DOES do microprocessor design in their spare time (I just completed my first working CPU design!), this is a really cool thing for them to do. I'm still learning verilog, but I would definitely like to look over some of their design docs and source sometime! I hardly think their goal is to get other people to build their own T1 processors though.

Re:OpenSPARC (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022711)

So what can the average hacker do with the UltraSPARC T1 design? It's not like you can go to Radio Trash to pick up a pocket chip fab (heck, I can't even buy a barrel connector at Radio Trash any more, I had to buy one of their crap power supplies to gut it for the cable and connector. Feh!)

Re:OpenSPARC (4, Insightful)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 8 years ago | (#15023104)

Sun was always hoping, and still is, that others will take the SPARC design and implement their own chips. They want economies of scale to start playing into SPARC like it has into the x86 and ARM market. Obviously, joe hacker is not going to be doing this, but there are some companies that can and very well might.

Here's why other people would want to make SPARC chips: Linux. Oh no, here comes the zealot talk. Actually, not quite. Linux runs on the three leading server architectures, x86 (+AMD64), POWER, and SPARC. From a deployment and administration standpoint, you don't really care what CPU you're running on. With the T1, Sun released the CPU with the highest performance per Watt on the market (for some tasks). This is an attractive chip, but buying from Sun is not always appealing. Sun gear is pretty expensive.

Today, there are many Taiwanese and Chinese motherboard makers, and they sell lots and lots of hardware. But their chips must always come from Intel or AMD (or Via, who's never been competitive). They would love nothing more than to have a standard CPU architecture that they can manufacture (TSMC or PMC can fab these for them) and take the profit cut from instead of handing that business to Intel. With Sun's release, they now have the tools to make a chip that is not only competitive with x86 and Power, but is actually top of the line, and at no additional cost to them. It already runs Linux, it's ready for blades, they know it will sell.

Sun benefits by having cheaper SPARC CPUs on the market, driving down their costs and increasing their architecture share. The manufacturers benefit by being able to sell at the high end, and sell cheaper. Server buyers benefit, because there is now a cheap source for high end machines. Now, if these chips really move, don't be surprised to see Texas Instruments (who doesn't have a server chip, but does have the fabs and experience with SPARC) and even IBM (who will make whatever sells) start to make these.

CityManager Email (2, Informative)

AmigaAvenger (210519) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022340)

Looks like he managed to figure out how to edit the frontpage site so that it no longer shows his email, so if any slashdot user wishes to express their opinions on this matter the corresponding public official, here they are!

city manager at citymgr@cityoftuttle.org [mailto] ,
mayor at mayor@cityoftuttle.org [mailto] .

Enjoy!

Great, look at what you just did. (4, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022368)

Sorry, but I don't agree on harassing someone over e-mail. His public shame is enough, don't you think? PLUS, by posting his e-mail on the web, you just made his e-mail vulnerable to spammers.

Worse, the e-mail address will be still available AFTER he resigns or his government period finishes. Will the next mayor have to cope with this?

Re:Great, look at what you just did. (1)

AmigaAvenger (210519) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022414)

#1: there is a very, very big difference between harassing someone, and letting a public official know what you think of the situation. Personally I think he SHOULD realize that he was wrong in this matter, and by the response he has given so far he still is not even willing to come close to accepting any blame. Yes, typical for a politician, but that is the reason they are open to public comments and such. (yes, as a city manager it is possible he is not elected, but appointed by the mayor or hired by the council, but same thing... elected officials at some point)

#2: Nope, it was already public on their website before this came, so it is is full and open to spammers already.

#3: Probably, or switch to something way more intelligent like a comment form. Nobody posts actual live personal emails on the web anymore for a reason without a massive spam engine behind it.

Re:Great, look at what you just did. (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022589)

Nobody posts actual live personal emails on the web anymore

I do. It's at the bottom of my home page and on every mailing list message I send that gets mirrored on the web (which is most of the open source ones).

Yeah, I get spam, but it's not that bad, no worse than when I tried to hide like a coward.

Re:Great, look at what you just did. (1)

Lord of Ironhand (456015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022965)

Hear hear. I put my e-mail address unobfuscated on my website and other places, and while I *do* get quite a bit of spam, it's hardly a problem with sensible spam filtering. (which in my case is: rblsmtpd, spamassassin, dump all mail with a 20+ spamscore rightaway and put everything from 7 to 20 in a spambox that I check for false positives weekly. leaves only 1 or 2 out of the ~50 daily spam mails in my inbox, and only had a single false positive in nearly two years)

I refuse to intentionally make communication more complicated (obfuscating) just because some people might abuse it. Also, I think that the fact that I'm still managing quite well while being an easy spam target proves that fully open communication without real authentication *can* work.

Re:Great, look at what you just did. (2, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022734)

#4) He should resign as he acted in a manner unbecoming an elected official and for making false statements in an official capacity, which could cost Tuttle a heap of money were the CentOS team inclined to sue

Re:Great, look at what you just did. (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022429)

Both of those emails were posted on the Tuttle website before. I'm not sure if the mayor's address is still listed, but Jerry pulled the citymgr one from his page a few days ago, after all of this began.

Re:Great, look at what you just did. (2, Funny)

Monad is Missing (905568) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022858)

Well, I doubt that "Jerry" pulled his email address from the website. He probably sent someone some threatening and harassing emails until it got done, then told them "I am sorry that we had to go through all of that...".

Re:Great, look at what you just did. (2, Insightful)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022496)


Sorry, but I don't agree on harassing someone over e-mail.

The poster GP post didn't call for harassment, he only posted his email for people to give replies to. Do you really think that the only possible use for email is harassment?

His public shame is enough, don't you think?

Not really. His latest responses of trying to deny he was responsible for the whole mess only show that he doesn't get it. He still thinks threatening to call the FBI is a Good Thing. Clearly the man has learned little through public shame. On the other hand I don't think this guy can learn anything because he's obviously too thick headed. By that I don't mean dumb, in which case he might be able to learn something. I mean that he's insulated himself so far from reality that it's too hard to penetrate into his skull. For that reason I won't email him because I believe it to be a waste of my time and effort.

As far as the spam goes, as others have pointed out you can't un-ring the bell. The email address has already been posted publically so they already have a spam problem.

Re:Great, look at what you just did. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022597)

Will the next mayor have to cope with this?

It will absolutely never occur to them that email addresses can be changed. So with that in mind, the answer is yes.

Re:Great, look at what you just did. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022686)

You must be new here?

Re:CityManager Email (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022457)

From the Register's update: Jerry Strikes Back

I asked for the strange website to be removed because it blocked my City web site and I could not post public information. I only got help after threatening to contact the FBI.

Now I am being flooded with emails from CentOS users that after knowing the answer say the problem was simple. I think this is unjustified and would like for this to stop. Your website should provide useful information and be a credit to the IT world. I do not believe it should be used to incite the users....

Jerry Taylor, City Manager of Tuttle, Oklahoma


Oh, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.

Please stick to the traditional ways of making Oklahoma look Neanderthal, like voting for George, driving a big truck, and teaching your crotch-rats that evolution is a commie plot.

Love,

The Rest of the Midwest

Re:CityManager Email (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022500)

Oh, this is just getting sad! Leave the poor (stupid idiot) alone already. This is like the entire school ganging up on the kid who's mentally challenged. It's just pathetic and far too easy.

To me, this is a classic example of how ignoring can be much more powerful than not. If the CentOS people had just ignored this guy after trying to help at first, he would have called the FBI and received his due justice from them for wasting their time. Instead, CentOS wasted time, slashdot readers wasted time, taxpayer money was wasted, etc... but it was all nevertheless good for a laugh.

Just ignore this guy and move on with your lives.

Vista (1)

CSHARP123 (904951) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022353)

MS don't have a serious competitor in Desktop OS. Right now they are competing with themselves. As long as they are able to sell more licenses of any of their brand of OS they don't care to innovate. I think when Apple and/or Linux Desktop becomes a serious competitor you see MS coming out with something. Firefox is the best example in this regard. IE7 is getting some make over on security front and also on UI front. Even though it is just an imitation of Firefox, it is a welcome change.

Re:Vista (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022367)

I know of at least one guy who heard that Vista was going to be late so he gave into his long felt desire to buy a Mac.

Re:Vista (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022433)

I don't think Linux can compete on the desktop without vendor hardware support, and I don't see any progress in that area. IMHO linux applications are pretty good, but hardware support without (at least) documentation is an insurmountable problem.

VMWARE free versions.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022391)

anyone know if i can boot my existing windows 98 fat32 partition with the free wmware player under my linux environment (debian) ???
also, how do i do this if its possible ? i dont have enough space for a new vmware disk image file. is it possible to do this with another freeware emulator ?

Re:VMWARE free versions.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022702)

(probably) yes (setting up VMWare with direct disc access, no idea how to do it without interface of full VMWare but I don't think it should be difficult) and (probably) yes (QEMU)

Re:VMWARE free versions.... (1)

absinthminded64 (883630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022729)

Not sure if the player will boot OS' that are based on physical disks but VMWARE server does. You can download and install VMWARE Server for free. It will allow you to choose an existing physical drive to boot from.

If the partition you're running debian from is on the same physical drive as the win98 partition then it probably wouldn't work. You could create a disk image of that drive but you don't have anywhere to store it. You would also have to deal with 98's booting on a machine(the vm) that is significantly different from the one that it currently boots from (drivers etc)

You could just replace the existing win98 partition with an ext partition that's used to store a vm disk file of 98.

Tuttle NBC video (5, Informative)

dustwun (662589) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022408)

Seems even the Tulsa NBC affiliate picked up the story. They've got a video online at http://www.kfor.com/global/category.asp?c=9667 [kfor.com] , it's the Tuesday 10pm news story. The CentOS bit starts at around 4 minutes 13 seconds, and is around 3 minutes long.

I'm not linking directly to it, because we've already crushed their bandwith enough for one week, but feel free to check it out.
It's not at all flattering to the City Manager...

Re:Tuttle NBC video (2, Insightful)

assassinator42 (844848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022514)

Well, it appears the video only works in IE, that will save bandwidth. I don't think I've ever seen a local news station have their whole news cast streamable online though. Most just have clips. And if this was available as a clip, it would've used less bandwidth than having people seek through the newscast. A little bit, at least.

Re:Tuttle NBC video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022560)

Video works fine on Mac with Safari. It opens up using WMP.

Re:Tuttle NBC video (1)

iroll (717924) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022767)

Funny, it won't work with Safari and Flip-4-Mac, even though that's MS's prefered Mac client for WMV now.

Re:Tuttle NBC video (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022748)

Works here using Linux/Firefox/mPlayer :)

Re:Tuttle NBC video (2, Informative)

internewt (640704) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022837)

Well, it appears the video only works in IE, that will save bandwidth.

That's not quite true. The video can be accessed with WMP if you open this URL (watch for /. adding spaces)

http://www.kfor.com/Global/Video/WorldnowASX.asp?o s=&vt=v&clipid=734082 [kfor.com]

I watched the video in WMP 6.4 on Win2000, and no version of WMP higher than 6.4 has ever been installed... so I feel this video will probably be viewable in MPlayer, for example (i.e. this stream isn't DRM'd up).

Re:Tuttle NBC video (1)

the-amazing-blob (917722) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022519)

Interesting video. I love how they spelled it "World Wibe Ridicule"

Re:Tuttle NBC video (1)

Lazlo Nibble (32560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022820)

I love the graphic they use for the story: "World Wibe Ridicule". "Wibe?"

Does the Virtual PC Importer work better now? (1)

assassinator42 (844848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022441)

I tried importing a Virtual Machine when VMWare Player first came out. I could never get it to work. I was trying to run FreeDOS, but it kept giving me an error. Turns out, it would only work with types of Windows NT. 2000, XP, and 2003, I believe. It didn't work with the XP Embedded (x86) image I tried. Now that I check the correct link that someone else posted, it says support for non-Windows guest OSes is "experimental". At least they actually mention which guest OSes work this time.

I live in Tulsa (1)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022454)

and its just plain hilarity to make fun of people in Tuttle. So, just by location he set himself up. Nevermind whatever nonsense someone from a one horse town like that did.

Plausable Deniability? (2, Insightful)

Black Copter Control (464012) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022476)

... got a denial from an executive at Microsoft's PR firm, who says he's not aware of any Xbox programmers working on Windows.'"

I mean, like somebody's gonna randomly tell this PR Geek about technical matters? The obvious person to (not) ask (depending on whether or not you want a meaningfull answer) would be an executive in Microsoft's OS development group.

eg: The fact that I've never personally seen George Bush snorting coke or had him tell me about it doesn't tell you much about whether he has or not (given that I've never met the man). Getting that denial from his best friend would mean a little bit more.

Re:Plausable Deniability? (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022769)

Well, I think if you'll look at all the evidence it becomes clear that re-writing 60% of the code in Vista in 6 months is simply a preposterous idea. While Microsoft executives themselves may not be a totally reliable source, generally they don't lie about something that can get them caught only shortly afterward. If the story were true you'd probbably just seem everyone clamming up until some official response comes out. The fact that the article didn't list any source for the rumour only makes the story even less plausible. This is simply irresponsible reporting that just got repeated in the echo-chamber that's become the media.

Check your sources ... (3, Funny)

Bob Loblaw (545027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022624)

'Microsoft's own blogger Robert Scoble checked into the story and got a denial from an executive at Microsoft's PR firm, who says he's not aware of any Xbox programmers working on Windows.' ... because an executive from MS's PR firm is the *first* person I would go to for the "truth" ... : /

They are likely not aware of a lot of things ... that doesn't make them untrue.

Sad when you have to give away to compete with MS (1)

VGfort (963346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022871)

But I'll take whatever freebies they offer. VMware Player and Server are great products for testing websites and software

Taylor asks the Register to stop emails. (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022874)

[Jerry Taylor] sent an email to the Register's marketing team asking that people stop emailing him and making fun of him.

If Taylor thinks the Register has any control over the internet's mail systems, there's yet another reason to make fun of him. Why doesn't he write the town newspaper to have people stop giving him dirty looks on the street after a disparaging article about him has been published.

To the Mayor of Tuttle, OK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022912)

Dear Mr. Mayor,

I read this morning several articles concerning your City Manager's email exchange with one of the developers of CentOS, a free Linux operating system.

Mr. Taylor was quite abusive and rude. He was also completely incorrect in his assessment and assumptions.

Someone once complimented me by asking me if I was from the Midwest: good people, hard working, who are kind, caring, and decent. I *am* from the Midwest, so reading news of this incident is a bit of an embarrassment.

Mr. Taylor did not apologize for his error, or for the manner in which he conducted himself. I feel an apology is in order.

Sincerely,

s/

Tuttle (1)

BJH (11355) | more than 8 years ago | (#15022923)

That mail exchange (especially the last part) made me wish deeply and fervently that the Tuttle webservers has been running on OpenBSD.

I imagine Theo's response would have been considerably less civil...

To the Mayor of Tuttle, OK: #2 (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15022974)

"I only got help after threatening to contact the FBI."

  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/27/tuttle_ema il/ [theregister.co.uk]

Dear Mr. Mayor,

I wrote you earlier concerning your city manager, Jerry A. Taylor.

Mr. Taylor does not recognize that the kind and helpful man at CentOS didn't help him because he 'threatened to contact the FBI'. He received help because the man at CentOS chose to help him.

From an update I read this evening:

>Taylor - who once proclaimed to the CentOS staff, "I have no fear of the >media, in fact I welcome this publicity" - has asked us to put a halt to the >publicity.

Mr. Taylor did not know what he was talking about. Had he called the FBI, it might have led to amusement on their part, but a waste of their time as well. They have better things to do than teach "IT expert Taylor" about web pages and server administrators.

If Mr. Taylor manages by "threatening to contact the FBI" in a situation like this, I must wonder if his basic management style is to use threats, bullying, intimidation, and abusive language; these are not traits that develop overnight.

Mr. Taylor writes:

>I do not follow instructions that show up when a website that I am not >familiar with appears on my computer and I do not think anyone with experience >would do so either.

The instructions Mr. Taylor chose to ignore:

***begin quote***

If you are a member of the general public:

The fact that you are seeing this page indicates that the website you just visited is either experiencing problems or is undergoing routine maintenance.

If you would like to let the administrators of this website know that you've seen this page instead of the page you expected, you should send them e-mail. In general, mail sent to the name "webmaster" and directed to the website's domain should reach the appropriate person.

For example, if you experienced problems while visiting www.example.com, you should send e-mail to "webmaster@example.com".

If you are the website administrator:

You may now add content to the directory /var/www/html/. Note that until you do so, people visiting your website will see this page and not your content. To prevent this page from ever being used, follow the instructions in the file /etc/httpd/conf.d/welcome.conf.

You are free to use the images below on Apache and CentOS Linux powered HTTP servers. Thanks for using Apache and CentOS!

Note:

CentOS is an Operating System and it is used to power this website; however, the webserver is owned by the domain owner and not the CentOS Project. If you have issues with the content of this site, contact the owner of the domain, not the CentOS project.

Unless this server is on the CentOS.org domain, the CentOS Project doesn't have anything to do with the content on this webserver or any e-mails that directed you to this site.

For example, if this website is www.example.com, you would find the owner of the example.com domain at the following WHOIS server:

http://www.internic.net/whois.html [internic.net]

***end of quote***

By the way, had a "hacker" really gotten into Tuttle's computers, someone with Jerry A. Taylor's technical skills would not have known until his credit cards were maxed out, and the FBI arrived to shut down the kiddie-p0rn server running as a 'service' from his desktop PC. (Yes, it is very possible to do that to the technically inept or uninformed. Jerry A. Taylor is technically inept and uninformed.

If "hackers" had wanted to actually deface Tuttle's website, they would have done so in a quite "colorful" style. (They still may, actually.) It's unlikely they would have left a email contact address had they done so.

Mr. Taylor should apologize to the CentOS developer who helped him, then thank him for doing so, not continue to take apparent satisfaction in "having received help after threatening to contact the FBI".

Thank you,

s/
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