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Hotmail On Your Desktop

samzenpus posted about 8 years ago | from the mail-everywhere dept.

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thomas2you writes "Microsoft has just started its beta testing on a new program, made to have Microsoft's hotmail on your own desktop according to an article on CNET. It's going to be free software, you're going to be able to manage multiple accounts and they are attempting to include the ability to also just control all pop3 and smtp accounts you have, including Google's gmail as well as Windows Live Mail, the successor to Hotmail. From the article, 'The move is a shift for the Hotmail business, which in the past, has charged users who wanted to read their mail using desktop software, rather than a Web browser. Microsoft charged $20 and up for its paid service.'"

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Better Solution (3, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 8 years ago | (#15025386)

The move is a shift for the Hotmail business, which in the past, has charged users who wanted to read their mail using desktop software, rather than a Web browser.
And for those of us who have an ounce of intelligence [mozilla.org], there's no change [mozdev.org].

You might not have known this but there's already a tool out there that lets you connect and check mail from AOL, Libero, Gmail, MailDotCom, Lycos, Yahoo and (the seemingly "impossible") Hotmail. It's called Thunderbird [mozilla.com] with the Webmail extension [mozdev.org]. In fact, I'm pretty sure that there's even a Webmail plugin for Firefox that would allow you to check it automatically through your browser.

So when I saw the headline of "Hotmail On Your Desktop" I thought to myself, "So what?" I pulled up Thunderbird and there it was, Hotmail on my desktop. Am I some sort of sorcerer? No, but if this is news then I must have madd haXX0rz skillz to be able to do this when it's not possible. Or perhaps it's just another lame Slashdot article brought to us by a Microsoft employee that encouraged samzenpus to post it with a nominal paypal transaction? I'm not implying anything, of course...

But I suppose now, you have a choice:
  1. Check your Hotmail (and Gmail and Windows Life Mail) through a new proprietary (malware issues?) client that will most likely bombard you with advertisements or
  2. Check your Hotmail (and many other mail systems) through good old Thunderbird with no advertisements and source code that you can alter yourself if you ever feel the need to.
Pretty tough choice...

Remember, Microsoft owns Hotmail and, according to the article:
It's part of the company's broader Windows Live effort and could eventually serve as a hub, not just for Windows Live Mail, but for other Microsoft Web-based services as well.
That's right, "other Web-based services as well" like the following possibilities:
  • The "Genuine Advantage" checker Web-based service. There to report you for anything you've done to Windows that in any way violates the EULA you blindly clicked during the install.
  • Microsofty Ads! The Web-based service that brings advertisements to your desktop so that you can get all the cool new Microsoft products cheaper!
  • Member Updates. The client application that annoyingly pops up in the bottom right of your screen as a paper clip to alert you of cool new Microsoft products!
  • The Blue Screen of Death inducer--a service that allows Microsoft to trigger your machine remotely to BSOD on you. Why try to recover from an error when you can just reboot?
  • The Friendly Survey Service, a program that just tallies up what you got on your machine and phones home to Microsoft so Mr. Gates can have charts presented to him that realistically show the threat of OOo against Office.
  • Et cetera...
Yeah, I pretty much can't wait to install something on my machine that's going to be a catalyst for other Microsoft programs.

I don't want it (3, Insightful)

Poromenos1 (830658) | about 8 years ago | (#15025439)

I've been using hotmail since the late nineties and guess what my space is at now: Same as what it was then (2 mb). That's right, I have 2 mb of storage space. Gmail has 2-3 GB (I've lost track) and my POP mail client (Opera) has as much as my PC. Does hotmail have ANYTHING going for it any more?

Re:I don't want it (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025508)

>>Does hotmail have ANYTHING going for it any more?

It'll probably have an icon right on the desktop of every Windows Vista install. People who don't know any better will think this is how they get their email.

Re:I don't want it (1)

Fanboy Troy (957025) | about 8 years ago | (#15025605)

Actually, yes:

The 1mb attachment restriction is so you can avoid pesky ppt and funny videos people tend to send and distract you from work.

Also, real men(TM) don't need over 2mb space, because real men(TM) aren't using a GUI! So, the answer to your question poromene1, is that in fact these restrictions are features! :*)

Re:I don't want it (1, Informative)

x2A (858210) | about 8 years ago | (#15025781)

I've had my account since around '96, when it was HoTMaiL... then MS bought it. During the process of "upgrading" accounts, my account got wiped (losing years old emails I'd had from friends, oooo I was pissed off with that), and then reset, back to 2meg. Thanks so much for that.

Just had a quick look at it, it's now 250meg, empty, and unused.

Gmail all the way.

Re:Better Solution (2, Informative)

De Lemming (227104) | about 8 years ago | (#15025467)

No, but if this is news then I must have madd haXX0rz skillz to be able to do this when it's not possible.

Besides your solution, I use Outlook Express (included in Windows) for years to access my Hotmail accounts. OE connects to Hotmail using some proprietary protocol, not POP3. It's a bit slow, but I like the abillity to have access to these accounts in the same place as my POP account. This is a free (gratis) solution and it's ad-free.

Re:Better Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025503)

Wait, I have always overlooked OE. Is this as hazardous to your PC's health as Outlook? Are things turned off by default, or did you have to switch them off yourself?

Re:Better Solution (3, Informative)

Jim_Maryland (718224) | about 8 years ago | (#15025513)

I too use Outlook Express to access Hotmail (actually that's all I use Outlook Express for). I don't know if you remember, but at one point, they stopped allowing that access via Outlook Express unless you paid for a Hotmail account. Free accounts, since that cut-off, were only permitted to access using a web browser.

I've stopped using this account for the most part. The only reason I periodically check it now is that I've had it long enough that some long lost contacts from high school or college may still have that as the only way to locate me for a class reunion or possibly some former co-workers who may be of use for career networking.

Re:Better Solution (1)

De Lemming (227104) | about 8 years ago | (#15025548)

Free accounts, since that cut-off, were only permitted to access using a web browser.

Ah, but apparently this restriction applies only to newly created accounts, and mine are a number of years old. Thanks for the info.

Re:Better Solution (2, Informative)

De Lemming (227104) | about 8 years ago | (#15025631)

Addition: according to this knowledge base article [microsoft.com], free access only works if you already accessed the Hotmail account using Outlook or Outlook Express before they switched to paid access. So you can't access an old account using OE for free if that account wasn't accessed throug OE before.

Missing Option (0)

tqft (619476) | about 8 years ago | (#15025500)

/*check tinfoil hat*/
Microsoft will now also know who and what you connect with and how often

Re:Better Solution (0, Offtopic)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | about 8 years ago | (#15025549)

damn - how'd you type all that fast enough to still be the first post?

Re:Better Solution (0, Offtopic)

Pneuma ROCKS (906002) | about 8 years ago | (#15025578)

damn - how'd you type all that fast enough to still be the first post?

He's got a list of pre-made groupthink rants about the 5 or 6 topics that make the headlines every day :-).

I agree, though, and thanks for the info on WebMail, didn't know about that one.

Re:Better Solution (1)

chrysrobyn (106763) | about 8 years ago | (#15025747)

The Blue Screen of Death inducer--a service that allows Microsoft to trigger your machine remotely to BSOD on you. Why try to recover from an error when you can just reboot?

My neighbor in college had one of those. Every time he woke me up playing MP3s on his Windows 95 machine too loud, it would blue screen. Of course, the "service" ran on my Linux box... and may have been manual...

Platform promotion? (5, Insightful)

Mattygfunk1 (596840) | about 8 years ago | (#15025391)

it's going to be free software

Define "free".

Realistically, I would imagine that it's a teaser that will be Vista only, or will only be fully featured on Vista.

Re:Platform promotion? (3, Insightful)

Uber Banker (655221) | about 8 years ago | (#15025398)

Define "free".

Free as in beer which can only be poured into a glass one maintains a subscription on. Agreed.

Re:Platform promotion? (3, Insightful)

novus ordo (843883) | about 8 years ago | (#15025435)

In Microsoft terms "free" is as in "free" for them. In this case it's "free beta-testers." In my University they offered "free" versions of beta Visual Studio. I ended up having less "free" time.

I stopped using hotmail (4, Insightful)

a_nonamiss (743253) | about 8 years ago | (#15025392)

Sadly, I stopped using Hotmail when they discontinued support for the Outlook plugin. I think it was a bad decision on their part.

Re:I stopped using hotmail (3, Informative)

Stachybotris (936861) | about 8 years ago | (#15025405)

What is this discontinued plugin of which you speak? I can still check Hotmail via Outlook, and I'm using Office 2003.

Re:I stopped using hotmail (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025424)

Tough luck for you. Hotmail decided that some of us can still use Outlook to check our hotmail accounts without paying for the subscription fee.

Re:I stopped using hotmail (2, Informative)

CmdrPorno (115048) | about 8 years ago | (#15025536)

I've been using Outlook Express to check Hotmail for the past five years, and it still works today. I never paid an extra fee to be able to do this.

Re:I stopped using hotmail (1)

a_nonamiss (743253) | about 8 years ago | (#15025635)

My account stopped working about a year ago. It was well after they made the announcement [microsoft.com] that they were not going to support hotmail accounts in Outlook, so I thought I dodged the bullet. Then I started getting the error messages. It's a shame, really, beacuse I was using Hotmail for years before Microsoft ever bought them out. This Hotmail plugin for Thunderbird intrigues me. Maybe I'll check that out.

Re:I stopped using hotmail (2, Funny)

Xichekolas (908635) | about 8 years ago | (#15025767)

Yeah, wasn't Hotmail just a phase in high school? I think it was right between Mambo #5 and the Y2K 'Crisis'...

Bets are on! (0, Offtopic)

jawtheshark (198669) | about 8 years ago | (#15025402)

Who wants to bet that it will ship by default with Vista? Or included into XP with a "critical update"?

Free software? (3, Interesting)

overshoot (39700) | about 8 years ago | (#15025407)

Actually libre or just gratis?

.END rhetorical_question

Gee... I wonder. (1)

babbling (952366) | about 8 years ago | (#15025469)

It's Microsoft. What do you think it will be? I'm betting it's free as in "here's some buggy software... oh, and subscribe to our virus scanner for only $50/year!"

microsoft has just began it's beta testing (1)

CockMonster (886033) | about 8 years ago | (#15025410)

Microsoft has just begun its beta testing commenced or started would be better though

Arrrgh! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025417)

it's = it is
its = possessive

you're = you are
your = possessive

Re:Arrrgh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025505)

ur write, ne one nos this...

Arrrgh! times two (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025539)

Not to mention sloppy sentence construction (how many "and"s?), use of "began" as a past participle and inconsistent capitalisation (m/Microsoft?). Oh, and a poor command of vocabulary.

Now, remind me: English teachers are meant to help people, uh, what was it again?

Re:Arrrgh! times two (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025559)

CURSE YOU ENGLISH TEACHERS!!!!!

(and so this can full the damn caps filter, curse you slashdot!)

Re:Arrrgh! times two (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025596)

They are there to help the student pass the Standards Of Learning test. If they do happen to learn something and retain it, that would be a side effect.

Re:Arrrgh! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025640)

Your command of the English language astounds us all...

Just in case you were wondering, I realize the preceding sentence is gramatically incorrect and I sincerely hope it bothers you... ...oops, I mean "does'nt bother you" (hmm... does that apostrophe go before the 'n' or the 't'??)

spare us the lesson!

Re:Arrrgh! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025765)

It doesn't, acutally, because it's just in a -1 Offtopic AC comment. The article posting...yep, it bothered me. Literacy is a Good Thing.

One stop shop (2)

fusto99 (939313) | about 8 years ago | (#15025421)

Perfect, now I can have my very own discount drugs, organ enlargement, and low mortgage rates right on my desktop! I wonder if this will include pop ups to "notify" me as well?

Windows Live Favorites Feature (5, Informative)

CyberSlugGump (609485) | about 8 years ago | (#15025422)

According to the table [com.com] (from clicking the image in the article), Windows Live Services will include "Windows Live Favorites" which is listed as having no competitors. Isn't del.icio.us [del.icio.us] a competitor?

Re:Windows Live Favorites Feature (1, Funny)

novus ordo (843883) | about 8 years ago | (#15025457)

Microsoft: We appologize for this inconvenience. We meant to call the "Competitors" table "Future Competitors" and apparently the entry you mention is not the one in error. This will be fixed shortly.

Re:Windows Live Favorites Feature (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025641)

Umm... http://companion.yahoo.com [yahoo.com]

Been using it for years, Works in Firefox now... on Windows, Linux, and Macintosh. So how is this NEW?

I guess that it's a toolbar that installs inside firefox and internet explorer that says "Bookmarks" means it isn't a competitor.

Not free? (1)

Agermain (255096) | about 8 years ago | (#15025430)

Did they start charging for Outlook Express 6 [microsoft.com]?

Re:Not free? (1)

De Lemming (227104) | about 8 years ago | (#15025684)

As another poster pointed out, they started charging for the abillity to access Hotmail accounts through OE in 2004 (you have to pay for an MSN subscription). According to to this knowledge base article [microsoft.com], free access using OE stays possible only if the account had already been accessed through OE before the switch.

Why I stopped using Hotmail (3, Informative)

liliafan (454080) | about 8 years ago | (#15025454)

I stopped using hotmail years back mostly because their spam situation was insane I could create I new hotmail account and without signing up for anything of giving the address out anywhere within a week the address would have started to recieve spam. Their filters were terrible.

Has this situation changed? Have they improved their filtering methods?

When I originally left hotmail I went to yahoo since their spam filters seemed a lot more powerful (you could teach it what you thought was spam) however then yahoo started to charge for their better filtering service and the spam situation there become unmanagable.

What is the opinion of my fellow /.er's which free mail service provides the best spam filtering? I am really only interested in the mainline providers, gmail, yahoo, hotmail.

My current email solution is to host my own mail server from my home, however, I would like to start using a freemail service since I can't access my home mail server from work due to an overly restrictive firewall/proxy policy.

Re:Why I stopped using Hotmail (2, Informative)

PeterSomnium (954672) | about 8 years ago | (#15025495)

Try setting up a simple webmailprog. Like Ilohamail or something. That should work through a proxy.

Re:Why I stopped using Hotmail (1)

whitestone (960256) | about 8 years ago | (#15025506)

for webmail: currently i use hotmail (25mb, no spam yet, but i havent published the address), yahoo (reasonable good spamfailter, 1Gb), and gmail (2.7Gb, excellent spamfilter). I also have a 30gigs-account, but i dont actively use it. Gmail is my favorite, as it has a very nice way of grouping mails in threads, but note that some people distrust its privacy policy (www.google-watch.org/). I dislike hotmail, as it has numerous ads, much, much more than yahoo and gmail. As they r all free, why dont you all give them a try?

Re:Why I stopped using Hotmail (2, Informative)

meringuoid (568297) | about 8 years ago | (#15025557)

Hotmail's spam filtering has improved a lot in the last couple of years. It's had to; Hotmail has so very many users that every spammer in the world just tries a dictionary attack. [any word]@hotmail.com is likely to get delivered, and so it gets added to the list of fully double opt-in leads. Most spam gets correctly filtered from my Hotmail account, which has been promiscuously posted all over the net (including USENET) without bothering to mung it for the last eight years. There are a few false positives, though.

I've been using gmail for the last year or so, and I'm liking it so far. I carelessly posted with that address on USENET once or twice, thus getting onto some spam lists, but I've yet to see a spam reach my inbox, or a non-spam reach the junk folder. Google are, for some reason, very very good at correlating and indexing information... so it's not surprising they've become good at spam filtering as well :-)

Re:Why I stopped using Hotmail (2, Informative)

Azarael (896715) | about 8 years ago | (#15025561)

Hotmail has gotten a lot better in the last couple years, I still only use it for a spam catcher for sign ups and stuff. I still get a few spam emails a day(5-6), but more than half of them get filtered into my Junk folder. I know where you're coming from though, I used to get 20-30 spams a day and I wasn't too impressed with having to sort through my junk to find the real email that had gotten filtered out. But anyway, Gmail still way better as far as I'm concerned.

Re:Why I stopped using Hotmail (1)

east coast (590680) | about 8 years ago | (#15025740)

Gmail still way better as far as I'm concerned.

I thought this until I found a number of mails that Google decided were spam that were actually were for me. Not to say that Hotmail is better but it still bothers me to know that had I not looked into the filtered mail that I would have thought that I just never got a responce.

Re:Why I stopped using Hotmail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025608)

I swear to god I have the only spam free hotmail account.

I've had it since 1996. I didn't start seeing any kind of spam until 2003 when someone I know sent me an E-card from somewhere suspicious (bitched him out for it too), and even then all I did was turn the basic filter on and the 5 or so a month I was getting were gone again.

Re:Why I stopped using Hotmail (1)

Jaknet (944488) | about 8 years ago | (#15025773)

You're not the only one.

I've been using Hotmail since 98 (it's now mainly used when travelling) and I have not had a single piece of spam in all that time. Also I can access it from Outlook

A different experience (1)

RingDev (879105) | about 8 years ago | (#15025690)

I've had my hotmail account since 2001. I'm on numerous mailing lists. My address is posted on my web site and on numerous other web sites and forums. I get maybe 3-5 unsolicited spam mailings a day. I get maybe 15-20 spams a day, but the vast majority come from newsletters, email lists, and update notices from different groups I've opted in with.

I did have an account from 97-98 (from before the MS buyout) that I had until 2001 but the spam on that account was out of control. 200+ unsolicited spam emails a day. My newer account has varied in the amount of spam it gets, but in the last year it has been well below the what I would consider a problem.

-Rick

Re:Why I stopped using Hotmail (1)

EzInKy (115248) | about 8 years ago | (#15025714)


When I originally left hotmail I went to yahoo since their spam filters seemed a lot more powerful (you could teach it what you thought was spam) however then yahoo started to charge for their better filtering service and the spam situation there become unmanagable.


I know what you mean. I just use my account as a spamtrap anymore.

"You have 1812 unread messages:"

Thanks for reminding to do my monthly yahoo mailbox cleanup, btw.

Here is a screen shot... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025460)

Right here [img217.exs.cx]. I kind a like what google has been doing better though.

Why not FIX Hotmail first? (0, Redundant)

sammeal (859766) | about 8 years ago | (#15025463)

The spam filters just don't work.

Re:Why not FIX Hotmail first? (1)

RandomPrecision (911416) | about 8 years ago | (#15025522)

Exactly. In my last days of Hotmail, I would check my spam folder, and ignore my inbox, since any message I actually wanted to read was marked as spam (even with the minimum allowed spam settings), and anything I didn't want to read went straight to my inbox. I would have even used Hotmail like that, but there was eventually some more crossover between the two, so I left it, and haven't looked back.

MS creates the email client! (5, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | about 8 years ago | (#15025464)

Wow, a new email reader. The ability to manage multiple accounts has never existed before, and integration with a product that does not yet even exist! And how did they manage to read through the standards to interface with a standards complient service like Google Mail. What great innovation will MS come up with next, a CLI with predictive typing?

With all the email clients out there, one must ponder why MS would create a new product instead of just using Outlook Express. One must also wonder how MS will replace the revenue of allowing users to not user to skip the ads when reading mail.

It is possible that they are just desperate to win back a portion of the market that they still have not understood. MS has missed the Intenet again by not updating IE, and IE has lost some trust. Windows live is going to require a client, and it may be that IE is not going to be that client. it might be that they are thinking of seperating the application interface from the browser. This would be a good thing.

OTOH, it could be that this innovative email client simply shifts the ads from the browser to the client, just like Eudora does. The client could also be some form of spyware.

Why we do know is that MS does not give away product except to gain a share in a long negleted marketspace. We also not that MS says it wil unbundle IE. What all these things mean will only become clear as Vista is released.

And.... (1)

smoor (961352) | about 8 years ago | (#15025474)

Hotmail on my desktop... IN BED (that one doesn't work).

I'm still trying to figure out why I care. I use hotmail for some "alias" accounts for webforums I belong to - every once in a while I check them and delete the spam. I don't like the interface, a hotmail address is automatically suspect (to me), and its run by the great satan (MS).

Why would I want hotmail when I can use gmail, a product from a company that does no evil and only has my interests at heart? Right? Right?

The whole point of hotmail, gmail, whatever is the web component. If I want to tie it to a desktop, I'll POP3 it (which gmail has always let you do). Hotmail moving towards something like this is hardly news, its marketing.

That said, I WOULD like a way to manage multiple gmail accounts on one computer (me, my wife, and three kids) instead of having to sign in and out every time. Anyone? Anyone?

Re:And.... (1)

whitestone (960256) | about 8 years ago | (#15025672)

i have two gmail accounts which i manage on my home pcs by using 1 browser for each gammil account. (Much derided IE for account 1, FF for account 2). But i doubt you will want to use five different browsers.
This doesnt work when i work at a customer, as they only have IE.

Re:And.... (1)

cowboy76Spain (815442) | about 8 years ago | (#15025676)

Why would I want hotmail when I can use gmail, a product from a company that does no evil and only has my interests at heart? Right? Right?

???? Google is interested only in its stockholders (as any other capitalistic company is supposed to be). You may prefer them because they are less agressive than MS, but it does not mean that they really care about you -they treat you well just because they think it is the best thing for themselves. And I won't argue if that is due because "they are nice" or "they are not as strong as Microsoft yet", because it would be talking about things you and me just do not know.
I'll agree with you when Google spend all of the money that it returns to the stockholders in social activities, and without being a PR stunt.

Re:And.... (0, Offtopic)

smoor (961352) | about 8 years ago | (#15025795)

"Captain, our SARC detector is offline, they didn't get it!"

"Reroute power from tertiary humor subsystems, we've got to get that joke through dammnit!"

"It's too late!"

Crash/Burn/Etc.

MY going to be able? (1)

mi (197448) | about 8 years ago | (#15025480)

[...] your going to be able to manage [...]
What is it with this mental illness, that it befell even the Slashdot editors? Maybe, they should be sent to the same ESL class, that I went through, to know their own first (and, I suspect, only) language?

Re:MY going to be able? (1)

SolarCanine (892620) | about 8 years ago | (#15025614)

Hopefully, if they, take your suggestion, and sign up, for the ESL, class, they don't, skip, the evening, that discusses, proper, comma usage, in English, as, well.

Re:MY going to be able? (0, Offtopic)

ickoonite (639305) | about 8 years ago | (#15025636)

Maybe, they should be sent to the same ESL class, that I went through, to know their own first (and, I suspect, only) language?

I realise this is extremely mean, given that English is not your first language, but:

Did they, teach you, to, make excessive, use of, commas at this, ESL school, of yours? Or are, you just, short of, breath?

Oh, and it's learn, not know. :P

But in fact, of course, you are quite correct. I upbraided [slashdot.org] the submitter's poor use of English myself, in fact. I only add this comment because I feel that if one is going to point out others' mistakes, one should ensure that one's own linguistic house, so to speak, is in order before so doing.

iqu :D

Hotmail? (1)

DarkNemesis618 (908703) | about 8 years ago | (#15025497)

Here's an e-mail service I haven't heard about for a while. Who uses it anymore? With better options like GMail, whats the point of it? Guess it's just Microsoft's attempt at trying to sway people away from GMail. I still think GMail has a definite advantage over hotmail. Now with almost 3GB of storage space, POP access so any POP-able e-mail program can be used to view messages (Outlook, Thunderbird, etc), and the chat feature, GMail as far as I am concerned is the better e-mail service.

Re:Hotmail? (1)

tehshen (794722) | about 8 years ago | (#15025518)

Same reason why people use Windows. Hotmail was good once (no really, it was!), then it got worse (ads, minuscule storage space, awful spam filtering), and although it's been overtaken (Gmail, Yahoo Mail) people still use what they used to use. Sigh.

I use Hotmail..... (1)

sammeal (859766) | about 8 years ago | (#15025526)

I use Hotmail, but only for purposes in which I might receive spam. It is a "junk" account.

Gmail is definitely better in just about all ways, except for its whacked default way it sorts the mail (I suppose there is a setting somewhere that makes it sort emails better, but I haven't found it yet).

Users? (2, Interesting)

jesterpilot (906386) | about 8 years ago | (#15025498)

Fine. Your hotmail on your desktop. Will there be *any* users? Do you know anyone who uses hotmail as a serious personal email-account? I don't. The last one converted to Gmail 6 months ago, here at the office, when Groupwise got replaced bij Outlook. Everyone uses Gmail. If M$ wants this to be a succes, they'd better advertise it with 'Gmail on your desktop'. I don't think hotblondelooking4b1gd1ck1156431165@hotmail.com will want to read her hotmail from the desktop.

Re:Users? (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about 8 years ago | (#15025625)

The last one converted to Gmail 6 months ago, here at the office, when Groupwise got replaced bij Outlook. Everyone uses Gmail.

Unless you mean "uses Gmail for their personal email", I think most people in your company should take a look at the user agreement bound to GMail.

About a year ago, I remember that in the context of some investigation, the police opened up a hotmail account to get hints/tips. When I heard that I on the radio, I tought "Uh-Oh: Somebody at their IT department need to kick up some dust." Apparently, nobody did.
Surprise, surprise, the account was hacked and the police was in a very bad position. Of course, Microsoft just pointed at their user agreement. Totally within their right. GMail is theh same as Hotmail in those regards: they are strictly for personal use.
(The country where it happened is Luxembourg... Tiny country I know, so it's relevant to nobody. Yeah, we do have such stupid police investigators.)

True Innovation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025519)

Well except for the fact that I've been checking and downloading my email to my desktop every half hour for over four years without visiting hotmail via a browser once during that time.

Way to go MS! Welcome to the 21st century. Now catch up please.

Off by a longshot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025521)

This is basically non-news (if it's up on C|net that should give you a clue).

The actual "article" is nothing but a rehash for a development update posted to http://spaces.msn.com/morethanmail/ [msn.com] . It seems that our dear Ina even missed the point the actual blog entry was intended to make. It wasn't about Hotmail, or POP accounts, it's that it logically separates email account instead of everything going into the same place.

Nothing to see here. Carry on.

Why does MS bother with Hotmail? (1)

DeadRoman (753427) | about 8 years ago | (#15025547)

I have had Hotmail since before MS took over. I keep it only because it gives me a suitable place to dump all the solicatation crap I don't want in my real mailboxes (my ISP and GMail accounts).

They have screwed around with Hotmail every other year or so since acquiring it, and it has only gotten worse with every pass.

And then some mention of "Live Mail" being the Hotmail successor? WTF? Is that kinda like MSN and Hotmail's offspring?

feh. I'm curling back up now with something more real...

Most Ungrammatical Summary...Ever? (4, Funny)

ickoonite (639305) | about 8 years ago | (#15025550)

As I read the summary, I could not help but be amazed by the submitter's poor command of English. It is clear from the nature of his errors that he is a native speaker of English, but it is news to me that capital letters are now optional on proper nouns and at the start of sentences, that "your" is a valid replacement for "you're", that you can just string any number of clauses together with an "and"...I could go on. The its/it's thing. C'mon people! I suppose it's just that I'm not keeping up with the younger generation these days...

I am left wondering how old the submitter is, and worrying about just how bad the education system is in $country_of_origin.

Perhaps we should set up a charity and a PayPal account - "Help A Geek: Educating Slashdotters in Basic English". What say?

iqu :D

Re:Most Ungrammatical Summary...Ever? (0, Offtopic)

CheeseTroll (696413) | about 8 years ago | (#15025772)

The "your" vs "you're" issue drives me nuts, too, and I'm really not *that* old. Last week's episode of LOST used subtitles at one point, and they misused "you're" when they should have written "your". (I'd taped the episode and rewound it, just to be sure, but have since recorded over it.) I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, considering how many editors must have seen this before it aired on national television.

So what happened to "Web 2.0"? (4, Insightful)

MrNougat (927651) | about 8 years ago | (#15025554)

I put that in quotes because it makes me shudder just to say it. But I already digress.

Hotmail, should I choose to use it, is already on my desktop, since my web browser brings it to me along with all sorts of applications these days.

Microsoft's sending Hotmail to a pure OS-installed interface only points to the fact that they [can't | don't want to] keep up with other online mail services. Gmail and Yahoo are updating their web interfaces all the time.

Strangely, those web interfaces are still available to me on my desktop.

Re:So what happened to "Web 2.0"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025646)

Exactly. One of the points of webmail is that you DON'T need to install an extra piece of software along with your web browser. You can check it from anywhere with an internet connection. The only thing that can be said for email clients is they usually provide a greater amount of functionality than webmail. And as you have mentioned this can be changed by forward-looking web designers.

But the question is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025558)

Does it work w/ Linux?

From the same company... (3, Interesting)

dyfet (154716) | about 8 years ago | (#15025571)

...that brought the world Outlook and Outlook express! Oh goody, they wish to bring the world a whole new e-mail client host for viruses, trojans, and worms!

Wouldn't it be better if they instead produced a e-mail client that did not assume email could contain things to be executed, and instead simply let people read their mail? Now that would be original for them.

Of course, there are plenty of free (and also free as in freedom) e-mail clients already, including thunderbird, which includes plugins to do all those e-mail services today, without compromising the security of the machine in the process.

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025576)

People still use hotmail???

Hotmail is Darn Ugly IMHO (1)

digitaldc (879047) | about 8 years ago | (#15025589)

Hotmail is the ugliest interface of any mail client. It has too much on the screen and too much crap that I would never use.

They need a cleaner interface in my opinion.

In other news (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | about 8 years ago | (#15025650)

Microsoft's paying Hotmail customers get completely screwed... boy, I'd really feel like an asshole if I ever paid for Hotmail and now they're gonna give it away in any fashion. My money paid for what exactly? Another jet for some executive?

Look at the bigger picture folks. (2, Insightful)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about 8 years ago | (#15025670)

Honestly, there are too many email options out there. Once someone gets set up with a hotmail, gmail, yahoo, etc service, what motivation is there to switch?

Like changing home addresses, phone numbers, bank accounts and credit cards, changing emails service providers is like pulling teeth. It is a painful affair in which you have to be on the ball to contact ANYBODY that knows of your existing information and then let them know the new information. For a while, people will be out of contact with you because they keep sending you email to your old account (because they didn't update their contact information). Even worse is when you try and keep both accounts active, then people forget which one is your newer one and start sending email to both. Honestly, if you have had an email address for more then a few years, you probably have tonnes of contacts to notify if you change that address.

Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, etc, these companies are not selling you on email services. They are selling you on using their site as a portal to your email service. Google liberally peppers their GMail with GAds, same with Yahoo and Hotmail. They want people to show up, not because of the @whatever.com extension, but because they can indoctrinate you with advertising earning their site revenue.

Hotmail saying "we don't expect you to switch your email provider, just use our software as a portal" is a big step in the right direction. I may not like hotmail, and I will reserve judgement on hotmail's new service until I have tried it out, but Microsoft is realizing that people are not going to switch their gmail or yahoo accounts simply to get a new email address with @hotmail.com at the end of it. But if Hotmail offers a desktop software that allows me to see my Gmail account more easily, or even offers additional features that GMail doesn't offer, then I am all for it.

Consequently, this will inspire Google and Yahoo to offer support for 3rd party email as well which undoubtedly will offer better, more competitive services.

Just like with universal IM integration, email integration into one central app will be beneficial on the whole. It allows a person to set up ONE email account and then they can decide which app/web service they want to access that email through. It means people don't have to go through the hassle of changing email accounts simply because Yahoo or Hotmail or Gmail offers a fancier interface or bigger storage capacity.

Its the beginning of the end of switching email providers like underwear. People can select an email address and then keep it indefinitely, regardless of which companies software they are using to access that email. Don't dump on Microsoft just because they are Microsoft, Microsoft is still innovating the future. Celebrate the fact that by Microsoft doing it first, more will follow, and that is overall beneficial.

doesn't make sense... (1)

Connie_Lingus (317691) | about 8 years ago | (#15025674)

...you've been able to use Outlook to get Hotmail for years now. Why is this news? Is MS so starved for attention that they have to press release something that has already been available?

Tighten up, Bill!

Re:doesn't make sense... (1)

east coast (590680) | about 8 years ago | (#15025696)

you've been able to use Outlook to get Hotmail for years now.

Outlook is not a free client and I'm not sure of the ability of Outlook Express to manage multiple accounts nor non-pop3.

Why is this news? Is MS so starved for attention that they have to press release something that has already been available?

Since this isn't MS posting this your point is kinda moot. As far as a press release; I take it you've never seen some of the things that some companies consider newsworthy enough to post as press releases on their sites. Frankly, a new software package/service is a heck of a lot better than someone feeling the need to post mid-management organization changes on their press releases.

YORE ZOMG (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15025680)

thomas2you, your retarded.

Non-blockable ads? (3, Funny)

scoser (780371) | about 8 years ago | (#15025752)

So now it's a MS program, so you can't block the ads using browser plug-ins? Damn, sign me up now! Now I can't even stop myself from being able to punch the monkey to win an X-box, no matter how hard I try!

Wait Just A Minute (1)

calibrate (227231) | about 8 years ago | (#15025762)

I thought the reason for the IE web browser, activeX and all the other micro$oft hype was to eliminate the need for a client on my desktop for anything. This goes against all the grain there is. They have again proven they are just struggling to compete anymore.

I agree with the person who said this was just a "vista only" teaser app.

And this is not a new thing.

no (2, Informative)

minus_273 (174041) | about 8 years ago | (#15025796)

" From the article, "The move is a shift for the Hotmail business, which in the past, has charged users who wanted to read their mail using desktop software, rather than a Web browser. Microsoft charged $20 and up for its paid service."""

No, this needs clarification. The service where you access hotmail from outlook and outlook express is free if you were using it in the past before MS made it a paid service.
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