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Apple's Fruitful Future

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the get-the-joke dept.

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Apple's 30th Anniversary is prompting retrospective looks at the company's last three decades. C|Net grounds their look back in the here and now, commenting on lawsuits and competition. ZDNet complains that Apple still isn't in the workplace. The BBC looks at the company's world-changing aspects in a more upbeat story. Nick Irelan wrote in to mention a Forbes piece entitled Apple's Biggest Duds, so you can image what what side that article comes down on. CNN puts the whole thing in perspective, with a balanced look at the company's good and bad points. Finally, if you want some rumourmongering, 192939495969798999 writes "Industry sources have leaked that tomorrow, on the 30th Anniversary of Apple Computer, Steve Jobs will announce that the new intel-based Mac laptops will support dual-booting Windows XP and OS X 10.4."

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204 comments

30th Anniversary Announcement (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037246)

Macs: They're not just for homosexuals anymore.

I'm gonna just spank you! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037312)

Macs: They're not just for homosexuals anymore.

You're asking for a spanking young man! I'm just going to put you over my knee and spank you hard! Your ass is going to be soooo red when I'm done!

Re:30th Anniversary Announcement (0, Flamebait)

Dylan Knight Rogers (931327) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037403)

What is the basis of your homosexual-oriented comment? A little insecure, are we? No. Just kidding. But seriously. Grow up.

Re:30th Anniversary Announcement (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037785)

Oh, come on mods, lighten up; it made me laugh out loud.

Woo Hoo! (1)

ITWeeniesAreWorthles (551099) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037260)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of dual-boot macs! Woo Hoo!!!!!!!

Dwindling Market Share ??? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037262)

Siliconvalley.com points out that it's a mixed picture for Apple under Jobs ...

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/bus iness/columnists/mike_langberg/14191452.htm?source =rss&channel=siliconvalley_mike_langberg [siliconvalley.com]

Building a pricier windows box may not be the answer.

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (3, Informative)

HTTP Error 403 403.9 (628865) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037303)

Siliconvalley.com points out that it's a mixed picture for Apple under Jobs ... http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/bus [siliconvalley.com] iness/columnists/mike_langberg/14191452.htm?source =rss&channel=siliconvalley_mike_langberg Building a pricier windows box may not be the answer.
July 1st, 1997:
Apple's adjusted share price was $3.30
Microsoft: $13.64

March 30th, 2006:
Apple's adjusted share price is $62.75
Microsoft's is $27.23

Apple's share price has increased 1,801.5%,
Microsoft's increased 99.6%

Awesome numbers... (1)

AnonymousPrick (956548) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037425)

FTFA: But at the same time, Apple managed to transform itself into the premier provider of MP3 players. Analysts say this is important, because as growth in the personal computer market slows, growth in the consumer electronics space is skyrocketing.

Jobs is turning Apple into an innovating consumer device company and building its brand so that, hopefully for Apple, even when there's competition for a product, folks will still buy the Apple - even for a premium.

I honestly predict that one day, Apple will leave its roots behind and leave the PC market to the commodity manufacturers - like the big American companies did with TVs. Yeah, you can still buy a name brand TV, but it's usually some Asian company that bought the rights to use the name on their TVs.

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037535)

Please, this comment shows that you know nothing about finance. You should use market cap, not the share price to evaluate growth of a company.

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (1)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037838)

You should use market cap, not the share price to evaluate growth of a company

Please, this comment shows that you know nothing about finance. Or Math. Market Cap tells you the size of a company. The term "Adjusted" in his numbers means stock splits, etc, have been taken into account, meaning the number of outstanding shares (the multiplier used to determine Market Cap from stock price) is irrellevant. Market Capitalization is derived from the share price. Stock splits (increasing or decreasing the number of available shares) will affect share price, which is why quotes are generally "adjusted" unless one is pulling a scam.

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (1, Troll)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037594)

Um yeah, really informative. Hey guess what? Microsoft has had FOUT STOCK SPLITS since 1997. Therefore your "analysis" is worthless. If you would like to learn what that means look at this chart comparing AAPL and MSFT: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=my&s=MSFT&l=off&z= m&q=l&c=AAPL [yahoo.com]

Which would you rather invest in? Hint, AAPL is the red line and MSFT is the blue line (the one with 600,000% growth at the peak). Those little triangles are stock splits. Se the real numbers are 200,000% growth for MSFT and about 200% growth for AAPL.

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (0, Troll)

fatphil (181876) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037765)

My dick length when Microsoft was founded - 4cm
My dick length now - 16cm

Conclusion - Microsoft makes your dick 4 times longer!!!!

Your numbers, and conclusion, are about as stupid as mine.
Mine, I trust, are more amusing.

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037804)

you have to look at splits and other factors. That really means absolutely nothing.

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037307)

April fools!

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (3, Interesting)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037317)

Building a pricier windows box may not be the answer.

Fighting it out with Dell/Lenovo/Walmart at the low end isn't the answer either. One advantage of the dual boot option is that it removes the risk in buying the Mac hardware. Worst case you can always wipe the Mac OS X clean and run it as a very well made Windows system.

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (3, Interesting)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037380)

Yep. I know a lot of people who avoid buying macs because "I don't want two desktops, and I still need to run certain apps that I don't know how well they will work on a Mac". Dual-boot will eliminate that worry.

Of course, hopefully a good Cedega-for-Mac solution will eliminate the need for dualboot altogether.

Funy Mods (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037477)

Wht crack head is moderating these posts funny?

Re:Funy Mods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037647)

Some Jobs fanboi

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (3, Interesting)

BewireNomali (618969) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037389)

It's not the answer. chasing the desktop is not the answer. It's a mature market. For most, there's no reason to get a desktop instead of a notebook. I got an AMD Sempron notebook off TigerDirect for my mom for 500 bucks and it's more than adequate for what she does. She has nothing but praise for the thing.

Notebooks and more innovative portables is the way ahead. I've heard of Apple buying palm. Not a bad idea.

Microsoft looking into portables like Origami, etc. Not a bad idea - whether of not it fails. Desktops are dead for most.

Not sure what Apple's plans are, but the IPOD is midway through it's trendiness, if they're lucky. They either need a more diverse array of hardware solutions, or they need to heavily dissociate their software from their hardware and become more of a software solution company.

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (1)

MKalus (72765) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037490)

I am not sure Desktops are dead. I have a PowerMac G5 at home as my main workstation and a Powerbook G4 with me right now in a coffee shop. They compliment each other nicely.

The PowerMac has a lot of data on it and I use it do the "heavy lifting" (e.g. video compression / editing) while the Powerbook is good to stay in contact "on the road" and doe photo editing etc.

Granted, I don't think I fall into the "normal" user space category, but many people really just use email and browse the web and they could care less if it is a notebook or a Desktop.

Re:Dwindling Market Share ??? (1)

BewireNomali (618969) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037725)

I think they care more than you think. I have a lot of friends that went and picked up flat screens and plasmas - not because they wanted or even cared about HD quiality pictures. For most, they wanted a "flat screen" because it was smaller, trendy to currently own, and more aesthetically pleasing.

notebooks are to desktops what flatscreens and plasmas are to TVs. The average user is not concerned with high end quality - it's aesthetics vs. price point. Notebooks are more aesthetically pleasing for a number of reasons - way easier to configure and get working - and the price point is getting right for the average user.

What's the use (1)

Quantum Fizz (860218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037579)

of Apple buying Palm? Other than perhaps gaining control of Palm's PDA patents? I mean, IMHO, PalmOS and Grafiti ain't that great, why would Apple want to buy this intellectual property?

In related news, Apple's website announced they're looking for a handwriting recognition engineer, so maybe they'll be releasing their own PDA sometime soon.

marketshare vs. creating new markets (3, Insightful)

rsborg (111459) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037412)

Siliconvalley.com points out that it's a mixed picture for Apple under Jobs ... http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/bus [siliconvalley.com] iness/columnists/mike_langberg/14191452.htm?source =rss&channel=siliconvalley_mike_langberg [siliconvalley.com]
Jeebus, I hate the article framing.... so the options they present "factors of success" are: Market share is up 50, 100, 200% or "you lose"?

What about: jump into new market and grow that market from a 10-100m to a multi-billion dollar market and keep majority share of that market?

How about: making tons of money selling stuff that people want (or perhaps even need)?

Market share only makes sense if you're concerned about innovating and creating new markets. The bottom line is that Apple is making money hand over fist, the old fashioned American way: innovating. I'd like to see HP, Microsoft, and Sony say they've done that in the past 5 years.

Market share is not install base!!!!! (1)

osviews.com (955101) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037441)

Market share is a very misleading statistic.

It is possible that Apple doubled its sales in one quarter and its "market share" decrease if PC sales grew faster than that during the same time period.

Because recent reports indicate that Apple's computer sales have increased... and did so by a large margin, decreased market share is an indicator of increased PC sales not decreased Mac sales... but siliconvalley.com doesn't tell you that.

The guy is confusing install base and market share. Whether or not he's doing it purposefully is unknown, but something tells me he's aware of the differences and how the public misperceives them. They are two totally different statistics. The journalist is playing upon the public's misconceptions about install base and market share because it makes for a more dramatic story.

It's very disheartening as its yet another method of causing people to (mistakenly) believe that Apple is dying... like so many of the debunked stories of yesteryear.

I bet they will dual boot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037275)

Or not. Since Windows doesn't support Apple hardware, not the other way around.

Re:I bet they will dual boot! (1)

stupidfoo (836212) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037448)

What in an current Intel based Apple is really "Apple hardware"?

Re:I bet they will dual boot! (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037505)

The case. Definitely the case. Nobody else makes cases like that.

Re:I bet they will dual boot! (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037592)

What in the PPC based Apples were any different? Apple still designs the cases and the motherboards and does systems integration, jsut like before. All thats changed is who they buy the CPUs and chipsets from.

Re:I bet they will dual boot! (1)

9mm Censor (705379) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037734)

Apple doesn't make hardware. They make software, and design computers and hardware, and outsource the manufacturing. An Intel Mac is no less and Apple than a PPC Mac.

Forget the 30th birthday... (4, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037279)

I can't wait until Apple is 64! And Apple (Beatles) will probably sue them for being 64! :P

You should see (2, Funny)

Quantum Fizz (860218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037522)

what they tried to do to my uncle Jimmy Pepper, after he was promoted to Sergeant in the army.

Re:You should see (2)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037597)

what they tried to do to my uncle Jimmy Pepper, after he was promoted to Sergeant in the army.

They banned him from the Lonely Hearts Club?

When I'm 64 (1)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037566)

Will you still need me? Will you still feed me? When I'm 64.

A question both Jobs & Gates may soon be wondering.

Re:Forget the 30th birthday... (5, Funny)

ZzzzSleep (606571) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037637)

When I get older, losing disk space, many years from now,
Will you still use me to send an email line, birthday greetings,
or slashdot whine?
If you used me 'till quarter to three, could I crash once more?
Will you still boot me, will you still root me,
When I'm sixty-four?

Hmm------mmm---mmmh.
You'll be older, too.Aaah, and if you say the word, I could stay
with you.

You'll need to be handy, mending a fuse, when my ps is gone.
You can knit a sweater by the fireside, you can't use me if my chips are fried.
Going to swap meets, digging for parts, who could ask for more?
Will you still boot me, will you still root me, when I'm sixty
four?

Every summer we can vist one infinite loop, if it's
not too dear. We shall scrimp and save.
And sitting on your knee, that newton from e-bay

Open a shell prompt, drop me a line stating point of view.
Indicate precisely what you mean to say, yours sincerely wasting
away.
Give me your answer, fill in a form, mine forever more.
Will you still boot me, will you still root me, when I'm sixty
four?

*Yeah.... I know it's lame....*

Re:Forget the 30th birthday... (1)

Ziviyr (95582) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037706)

And Apple could invite them on a cruise and ditch them in the sea of holes, or whatever.

Dual booting is a good way to get to the workplace (1)

Toby The Economist (811138) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037293)

Have a Mac which can run XP when required.

That's one way Linux is getting into the workplace. All the PCs at my work are dual boot, Linux/Windows.

Re:Dual booting is a good way to get to the workpl (1)

binarybum (468664) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037332)

yeah, but what about laptops? Some will throw fish at me for saying this, but Linux for the most part is not laptop friendly. I guess you could say laptops are not linux friendly as well.

Re:Dual booting is a good way to get to the workpl (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037619)

No fish from me. I agree that some laptops aren't linux friendly. My inspiron is an exception. The only problem I had with it was the video so I had to use a workaround (and that was fixed in the next bios upgrade).

The only *real* problem I had was getting a wireless card that was linux friendly. Other than that, it hasn't been bad at all. I've heard horror stories though.

Re:Dual booting is a good way to get to the workpl (2, Insightful)

Lev13than (581686) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037387)

Dual booting is a good way to get to the workplace - Have a Mac which can run XP when required.

And double the per-seat cost of support? At the end of the day, hardware is a minor cost for enterprise users. The support/patching/security issues of a machine that logs in on OSX one day and XP the next would be prohibitive. Maybe for specialized cases (web dev etc...), but certainly not enterprise-wide. And in those cases, the workers probably already have two machines on their desk.

Re:Dual booting is a good way to get to the workpl (2, Interesting)

plopez (54068) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037395)

Have you tried Q? It works on my home iBook, but is rather slower. I'd love to see how it runs on a new powerbook.
http://www.kberg.ch/q/ [kberg.ch]

Re:Dual booting is a good way to get to the workpl (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037487)

Dual booting is a HORRIBLE way to get into the workplace. It's confusing to many people and only doubles the cost of software licensing.

Re:Dual booting is a good way to get to the workpl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037580)

This announcement is nothing. I think the world would prefer to see him announce that you can boot OSX on any newer, reasonable PC hardware. That would get it in the workplace faster. Apple's hardware is too costly for most businesses (well, not really, but that's how they see it).

Re:Dual booting is a good way to get to the workpl (4, Insightful)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037677)

Dual booting may be a good solution, but Virtual PC for Mac/Intel running Windows at near-native speeds will be a better one.

And by the way, the comment about Apple releasing a dual booting laptop themselves is nonsense.

Midnight Already? (1)

Lev13than (581686) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037304)

"Industry sources have leaked that tomorrow, on the 30th Anniversary of Apple Computer, Steve Jobs will announce that the new intel-based Mac laptops will support dual-booting Windows XP and OS X 10.4."

Well, unless you sent this from somewhere east of +2 GMT, I'd say you're a bit early on this one...

Re:Midnight Already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037432)

Keyword: tomorrow.

The first Dud (3, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037313)

From the Forbes article: The Lisa

WTF? How many years ago was that? Was the Lisa actually a bad thing at the time? Nothing compared to it, with the sole exception of the "system which came after it" the Mac.

Enough about the Lisa thanks. Apple had a go and they got it right in the end.

Re:The first Dud (3, Informative)

cmowire (254489) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037370)

Yeah, they completely forgot about the Apple ///, which was the first true failure.

At least the Lisa stuff got reused as bits of the Mac. :)

The Lisa and Windows 1.0, 2.0... (4, Insightful)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037417)

Right. Apple produces the Lisa and everyone says "dumb Apple, what a dud."

Microsoft produces Windows 1.0 and Windows 2.0 and everyone says "Got to admire Microsoft, they stick to it until they get it right."

Re:The Lisa and Windows 1.0, 2.0... (1)

chris_eineke (634570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037514)

So, does that mean that Apple does not pays people to astroturf their shit while Microsoft has to pour millions upon millions of dollars into marketing and PR?

Re:The Lisa and Windows 1.0, 2.0... (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037835)

There are a ton of people on Slashdot who believe that companies like Microsoft hire PR people specifically to post in forums in support of their products, and discount the possibility that, hey, maybe there are some people out there in the wide universe who actually like Windows and Office.

Here's a serious question: Where the hell do I get one of these jobs? Talk about cushy!

Re:The Lisa and Windows 1.0, 2.0... (4, Funny)

grungebox (578982) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037542)

Right. Apple produces the Lisa and everyone says "dumb Apple, what a dud." Microsoft produces Windows 1.0 and Windows 2.0 and everyone says "Got to admire Microsoft, they stick to it until they get it right."

That's true, because if there's one thing I get way too much of around here, it's Microsoft-loving and Apple-bashing.

Re:The Lisa and Windows 1.0, 2.0... (2, Insightful)

EggyToast (858951) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037567)

And 3.0 and 95 and 98 and Me...

And what were the IBM PCJr... (1)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037473)

...and the IBM Portable, and Micro Channel, and, of course, the IBM 4" diskette drive (you know... the one that was going to blow the Seagate 3" diskette drive, the Hitachi 3-1/4" diskette drive, and the Sony 3-1/2" diskette drive out of the water?)

How about Microsoft Bob? and Windows ME? and Windows for Pen Computing?

The biggest thing the IBMs and Microsofts of the world have going for them is the perception of infallibility. Their flops are instantly forgotten, and all the business folk accept the idea that they will inevitably sweep aside the competition at anything they do.

Re:The first Dud (4, Funny)

feijai (898706) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037819)

Enough about the Lisa thanks. Apple had a go and they got it right in the end.
There are several unfortunate ways to parse that second sentence.

Apple means business with dual booting. (1)

bigpat (158134) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037340)

Just the capability of dual-booting Windows XP and OS X 10.4 would certainly put Apple into Business in a big way. Although, I would think that being able to run Windows applications inside OSX would make more sense from their perspective. Both would be the best, since some people might just like Apple hardware, but just want Windows. And some people might like OSX and just need to run a few Windows applications.

Re:Apple means business with dual booting. (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037420)

The failure to dual boot though isn't apple's fault, but the fact that winXP is outdated, and Vista isn't supposed to support EFI natively for 32 bit CPU's.

Combine that with the fact that Apple uses dedicated hardware most of which don't have windows Drivers and you have a large problem.

No Tomorrow's announcement will be that Steve Job's apologies to Bill Gates and say that all future Mac's will come with Vista Pre-installed instead of OS X.

Dual booting not mentioned in the article (2, Insightful)

catbutt (469582) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037342)

or is this just an early april fools joke?

It looks like it is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037445)

Yep

Re:Dual booting not mentioned in the article (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037453)

Can I buy some pot from you, Professor Jennings?

Xen (3, Interesting)

norkakn (102380) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037348)

It'd be slicker if they did something like xen and allowed windows to be run as a guest OS at near full speed. That'd be more historically consistant as well.

Re:Xen (2, Insightful)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037443)

Yeah, that'd be slick. And it worked real well for OS/2...

(Of course, times and perceptions have changed, and Apple might be able to pull it off. Maybe.)

La-dee-frikkin'-da (1)

butterwise (862336) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037350)

the new intel-based Mac laptops will support dual-booting Windows XP and OS X 10.4.

So now I can spend another $1200 on Adobe CS2 so I can run it on both platforms on one computer...

The only bad thing about Macs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037360)

Produce Smug.

Re:The only bad thing about Macs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037644)

You know Apple owners love to smell their own farts.

What, nobody's saying Apple is dead? (5, Interesting)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037386)

Now I'm worried.

In this confusing world, the one comforting, constant, bedrock, fundamental certainty has been that the pundits would explain how Apple is moribund, in a death spiral, and will be gone in about a year. The first time I heard that was in 1985. Not counting, of course, the people in 1984 that said the Mac was dead on arrival because it didn't have an 80-column screen and cursor keys.

Circa 1990, I worked in a Fortune 500 company which cancelled all its Mac skunkworks projects, due to Apple's imminent demise, scaled back all its Windows projects, and beefed up all its OS/2 projects, because Gartner's colorful graphs showed OS/2 would pass not only the Mac but MS-DOS and Windows in, if I recall correctly, less than two years, and would dominate the market by 1995.

Nobody is saying Apple is dead? Uh-oh, I'm worried. Maybe it's time to start short-selling Apple stock.

dual-boot, triple-boot, quadruple-boot ... (1, Informative)

wysiwia (932559) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037396)

is yet just another cross-platform solutions ;-)

O. Wyss

Uh, what? (1, Informative)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037421)

That article linked to with the supposed XP rumor says nothing at all about dual-booting or Windows on Macs. Just Intel iBooks and video iPods. And it's from the beginning of February.

Re:Uh, what? (1)

twofidyKidd (615722) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037770)

"Finally, if you want some rumourmongering, 192939495969798999 writes "Industry sources have leaked that tomorrow, on the 30th Anniversary of Apple Computer, Steve Jobs will announce that the new intel-based Mac laptops will support dual-booting Windows XP and OS X 10.4."

No where does it say that It's referencing the article. This is a separate subject. RTFBlurb.

Re:Uh, what? (1)

mr_zorg (259994) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037799)

RTFBlurb yourself. The phrase "dual-booting Windows XP and OS X 10.4" is hyperlinked to the article. If that doesn't imply that it was the article that mentions that, I don't know what does...

Apples other announcement for tommorrow (1)

jayayeem (247877) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037423)

All future Apple products will support the Evil Bit.

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/01/143 4209 [slashdot.org]

Google absorbs Apple (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037843)

All macs will now be gBooks, you can buy your gPod and get music on gTunes. All theyre gonna do is search-and-replace appple.com replacing i with g...

I heard the name might be change to something like Grape or something.

Its in our enterprise (4, Interesting)

SimplyBen (898147) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037424)

I work for a credit card processing company and we're a Mac company. We develop on our dual G5s and our sales staff uses powerbooks and iBooks. We get the luxury of using OmniGraffle over visio (its cheaper too!). We did break down and buy office, but we still use iCal and Mail.app over entourage. Our server environment runs 1U IBM x306s running fedora core 4. I can definately say we've saved a significant amount by not going windows. http://www.mobileevolution.com/ [mobileevolution.com]

Google redirect URL: WTF? (0, Troll)

dsandler (224364) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037451)

Um, so, what's up with that MacNN URL? Is someone getting AdWords revenue for every Slashdot-reading Apple fanboy who clicks the link?

Re:Google redirect URL: WTF? (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037474)

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. Now the completely-deceptive link text makes sense - way more people will click on that than a link that just says "Intel iBooks and long-rumored video iPod."

Sorry Apple (-1, Troll)

L0Z (920221) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037458)


Until you start dropping your hardware prices I'm afraid I will not be switching platforms anytime soon.

I can see it now... (1)

moochfish (822730) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037463)

Steve: Today, I've got some amazing news! The new Intel Macs will support dual booting with Windows!

*clapping and cheering*

Steve: April fools!! Haha, I'm so funny.

Re:I can see it now... (1)

C0rinthian (770164) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037608)

"Great news, everyone!"

Re:I can see it now... (1)

PriceIke (751512) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037813)

"And there's one more thing ..."

April the 1st coming up (1)

mustafap (452510) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037475)

"Industry sources have leaked that tomorrow, on the 30th Anniversary of Apple Computer, Steve Jobs will announce that the new intel-based Mac laptops will support dual-booting Windows XP and OS X 10.4."

Apple has no place in any responsible business (0)

Rix (54095) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037537)

Vendor lock in is very dangerous, and it should be avoided wherever possible. It isn't avoidable in many software markets (such as OS), but hardware has been a commodity market for decades. It would be extremely stupid for any business to take a step into the distant past with a single hardware vendor.

Apple has no business in the workplace until it opens up it's hardware to competition.

Re:Apple has no place in any responsible business (4, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037754)

Apple has no business in the workplace until it opens up it's[sic] hardware to competition.

That is just not going to happen. You see, Apple is complete vertical chain for a reason. That reason is Microsoft. Jobs realized a long time ago that having a closed ecosystem was a problem and he did something about it. He founded NextStep. Then they were killed by MS's monopoly. Sure they had better hardware and better software, but unless you can get your software pre-installed and get developers to work on it you won't reach more than a tiny minority of the market. No hardware company will pre-install OS X, because MS will just raise the price of Windows for them and suddenly they can't compete in the mainstream market. That leaves them stuck completely reliant upon Apple, and competing with them at the same time, which is a terrible place to be. So you might think, "well Apple could fix that if they ditched the hardware business." Yeah, now you go to the board of director's of the second most profitable computer retailer and tell them you want to stop selling computers and focus on the part of your business that makes only 10% of your money.

The truth is, unless the government does its job and breaks MS up into two or more OS companies and/or enforces open standards there is no way Apple can safely move into that market.

Linux, on the other hand, may be able to walk in and save the day for big business. Linux is not a company. It is a OS supported by many companies and is ideally customizable for large corporate environments. Every large organization should be looking at it. If Linux grabs just 20% of the desktop through business and Apple grabs 20% of the home market, things will really start to change. Cross-platform will be an important characteristic and real standards might be followed.

Basically, I agree with you, but it will not happen because Apple would go out of business.

How to get Apple in the workplace (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037553)

MAKE IT TALK WITH SERVERS BETTER.

What makes Wintel PCs what they are is that people are accustomed to connecting these things to servers when they log in.

That experience doesn't exist (to the best of my knowledge) with the MacOSX environment. Drives can be mounted at power up but I don't see the same experience that people are accustomed to in Windows.

I have an integrated environment where there is Mac and Windows on the same network sharing access to files. They both access the Novell and Linux server files. Windows does it better. Mac will lose its network mountings without cause that is obvious to the user and without a mounting script, the user would generally need to restart the computer (and the apps) to resume normal work. In windows, if users are dicconected from a server, the user is notified.

In short, MacOSX doesn't seem to be geared to a business environment. It's their own damned fault. They need to make it work in a way that business users expect to see it... and right now, it's essentially, the Windows way. This is the same issue with Linux adoption in the workplace.

Re:How to get Apple in the workplace (1)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037640)

It's not really a complete answer, but OS X can connect to OS X Server. I believe you can store profiles, desktops, files, etc, on the OS X server transparently. I have no experience with OS X Server though, so I don't know to what extent it works compared to a Windows client/server situation.

Out Of Business (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037562)

Don't they know Apple will be out of business within 2 years? The industry pundits have been saying that for ...um...30 years!

Favorite Doomed Product? (1)

schiefaw (552727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037563)

Instead of letting people vote on Apple's worst product, they should let people vote on what products people thought were cool, but died anyway.

I'll start:
Newton (of course),
geopod (early voice capability was cool),
opendoc (with Cyberdog!),
and Hypercard!

Apple computers are 'feel good' consumer items (5, Interesting)

MarkWatson (189759) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037568)

I had the serial number 71 Apple II (I wrote the little chess game that was distributed with early Apples on the demo software cassette), bought an early Mac (I wrote the ExperOPS5 commercial product on it), and I still use Macs a lot for my work (although I use Linux more).

For me, Apple products are "feel good" products. Visually they look great compared to the competition. The software always seems a little more solid (probably because of only needing to support their own hardware).

You can certainly get more bang for the buck with a PC clone running Linux, but Macs with OS X are great products. When I bought my first Mac, they were very new and one day I brought my Mac into work because I wanted my secretary to type in a big stack of notes that I had written on a business trip. I immediately got pulled into a meeting and when I got out of the meeting my non-technical secretary was done - it just took her a few minutes to figure out the Mac -- try that with a PC in 1984!

OT: What is with Forbes and Msft? (0, Offtopic)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037587)

Why does forbes suck up to msft all the time?

Dan Lyons has been sucking up to scox, and bashing Linux for years. His disregard for facts is amazing.His articles are way over the top.

Danny is only one example. Forbes gushes over msft constantly. And forbes vehemently *hates* anybody who competes with msft, or msft's Internets, of has anything unkind to say about msft.

Re:OT: What is with Forbes and Msft? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037784)

Why does forbes suck up to msft all the time? Gee, I don't know... it couldn't possibly be because Microsoft spends a lot of money buying advertising in Forbes, could it?

Forbes link, content to ad ratio nearly zero. (1)

mustafap (452510) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037605)

Jeez,

What is it with Forbes?

I feel like I'm in an elevator while reading a short, single column 'article' squashed between adverts, and even then the content contains such rubbish as

"The Walt Disney Co. (nyse: DIS - news - people ), where he now has a board seat via the acquisition of his Pixar (nasdaq: PIXR - news - people ) animation studio."

Come on people, lets stop linking to this rubbish.

Newton (2, Interesting)

Mad Ogre (564694) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037741)

For Apple's 30th they need to release a new NEWTON based on the iPod. Give it a sizable full color high rez screen, a small HD, with a load of good features... make it PC, and Linux compatible so others can use it too. Then the Newton wouldn't be such a flop. Make it a competitor to the Orgami. I'd buy one.

192939495969798999 Thats some anonymous name (0, Troll)

VGfort (963346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037749)

Finally, if you want some rumourmongering, 192939495969798999 writes...

They missed Apple's worst dud (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037759)

They forgot the Apple III Computer [oldcomputers.net] Of course, this was an emminently forgetable computer anyway (only on the market for 4 months), so I can forgive them for forgetting.

Tomorrow's press release (4, Funny)

Un pobre guey (593801) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037781)

Cupertino, CA - 2006-04-01 Apple Computer Corporation announced today what is possibly the single greatest technological advance of the past 500 years. Steve Jobs, accompanied by various lesser industry luminaries were invited to make this solemn announcement before the United Nations Security Council, which was convened in a special emergency session. News networks around the world suspended all other news coverage in order to report and comment live from New York as events unfolded. In the United States, all civil aviation was ordered to remain grounded starting 6 hours prior to the announcement, and remained so until three hours after.

Industry and commerce ground to a halt throughout the world, as workers, peasants, and billionaire executives alike tuned in to monitor the proceedings on radio, television, internet, and a variety of wireless and satellite communications. Most retail businesses in the United States and Europe were closed for the day, in preparation for the announcement, which was expected to change human civilization as it is currently conceived or understood.

Clergy from Mecca, to Rome, to Salt Lake City, to Tokyo and beyond paced rooms as they waited and brooded over the vast consequences of the announcement. In many Third World nations, the poor and ignorant masses were so overcome with fear and anxiety, that rioting and mass suicides began to spread on all continents, barely held in check by legions of police and military personnel, tenuously in control of their own emotions.

The entire planet fell dumb with awe as Jobs made his momentous announcement: Apple Computer had devised a method to capture and process data that was for practical purposes impervious to the causes of erasure and data loss that plague modern computing devices. No amount of electromagnetic fields could cause erasure, and data written with this technology was expected to be readable for a thousand years or more under reasonable storage conditions. Even more mind-boggling, the reading and writing of the data was technology independent. It would not be necessary for users hundreds of years in the future to preserve today's technology. Jobs demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, the ease with which future generations would be able to access such data.

The new technology, revolutionary yet environmentally friendly nanotechnology-based laminae of compacted cellulose fiber as the data substrate, and finely machined graphite rods or thin tubes of optically dense viscous gel deposition units, were shown in a variety of decorative colors. Jobs demonstrated a bright yellow substrate which was preformatted with fine rulings on its surface to guide the application of data. He showed data deposition in blue, black, red, and green, and claimed that Apple could provide deposition units in any arbitrary color. The substrate was to be made available in pads of 100 laminae, and the deposition units in boxes of one dozen. Later in the day Staples and Office Depot made surprise announcements of the imminent availability of this technology in their stores worldwide.

The future is Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15037783)

The reality is that Apple is moving towards a Windows-based offering built on Intel hardware. Users would see Windows no more than they see Unix today. NeXT on Windows instead of NeXT on Unix. All the goodness of the Mac GUI, but the ability to run Windows software, and less expensive, better performing hardware.

What's wrong with that?

There is that virus problem, but maybe Apple's Winmactels will be better locked down.

in the workplace? (1)

Y2 (733949) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037794)

ZDNet complains that Apple still isn't in the workplace

ZDNet must have never visited my workplace. People are pretty free to specify their own laptop models, and the percentage of Apple-branded laptops spotted in a meeting room is often 50%, and has been as high as 100%.

It's a little hard to take seriously... (1)

alcmaeon (684971) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037796)

a poll on the worst product every produced by Apple when the poll includes OSX an doesn't include the Apple III.


Whoever wrote the poll obviously doesn't know her Apple history.

It's Crossover (1)

Sir Holo (531007) | more than 8 years ago | (#15037818)

Apple's solution for people with Windows apps isn't dual-boot - it's CrossOver. That's system-level emulation, versus dual-boot or launching Virtual PC. Apple has a few Windows apps running already this way (though not for you to try yet).

Can a Linux-ite elaborate? I only know what the reps tell me.
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