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Microsoft Launches Linux Labs Website

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the getting-the-message-out dept.

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mjdroner writes "ZDNet is reporting that Microsoft is launching a website to 'share the activities of its internal Linux laboratories.' Microsoft says its goal is to foster communication with those who use open-source. The article also mentions that Microsoft runs a 300-server Linux installation to test open-source products." From the article: "Customers will be able to submit requests to Microsoft employees. For example, a person could ask how to best test the use of Linux desktops working with Microsoft's directory software. In addition, Port 25 will do video interviews with Microsoft employees with experience in the open-source or Unix world, Hilf said."

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275 comments

FIRST POST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079741)

FIRST POST!

Then stop breaking things (4, Insightful)

liliafan (454080) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079744)

My biggest question to MS regarding their interaction with Linux/*NIX would be why the hell windows XP SP1 broke my Samba PDC!! Before SP1 I was able to load roaming profiles without any problems, I applied SP1 and it all fell apart.

Microsoft seems willing to help you get your Linux workstation running against their PDC but are unwilling to reverse and allow their desktops to run against a Unix PDC.

MS has always seemed to break interaction with samba at every opportunity, I suspect this is completely intentional, especially considering their server products (that include the PDC functionality) is their flagship productline.

Re:Then stop breaking things (0, Troll)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079769)

Um... Samba is a case of reverse engineering... do you think... at all... that it may be possible that the changes from SP1 were perfectly legit, just something that Samba didn't have correct? I mean, it is MS's protocol. I would say they get to decide who has the correct implementation.

Re:Then stop breaking things (1)

liliafan (454080) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079819)

Is it possible that they intentionally change the protocol to stop samba working given the history of MS?

Re:Then stop breaking things (-1, Flamebait)

Quantam (870027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079946)

Go right ahead and provide evidence of malicious intent, and we'll listen.

Re:Then stop breaking things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079967)

Ah, so you were the guy snoring during the DOJ hearings.

Re:Then stop breaking things (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080455)

Kids these days! You'd think they've never heard "DOS isn't done until Lotus doesn't run".

Documentation! (5, Insightful)

XanC (644172) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079868)

Is it possible that MS could document the protocol, then we wouldn't have this problem?

Re:Documentation! (-1, Flamebait)

Z34107 (925136) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080174)

Why should Microsoft document and publicize the innermost workings of its OS for the benefit of a (competing) third party?

Re:Documentation! (2, Informative)

Changa_MC (827317) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080192)

How is a standardized protocol for sharing files over network the same as innermost secrets of an OS?

Re:Documentation! (1)

isometrick (817436) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080204)

Innermost?! Considering that it's a protocol to speak between computers, I'd consider it more like outermost. This isn't their kernel or something. So, they should document it for interoperability. Either that, or continue being stinkheads.

Re:Documentation! (5, Insightful)

bugg (65930) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080212)

Did you just make the argument that networking protocols are "innermost workings" of an operating system?

They're not inner at all, they're outer: they're designed to be used with others. I do believe this is an important distinction...

Re:Documentation! (1)

eikonos (779343) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080302)

Why should Microsoft document and publicize the innermost workings of its OS for the benefit of a (competing) third party?

1) it's not "the innermost workings", it's just a communication protocol. nobody is suggesting they give away the code for their implementation, just that they provide documents about how the protocol works
2) it's not for the benefit of the third party, it's for the benefit of the consumer

Re:Documentation! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080418)

Nice Troll.

How about because the EU has said that is extactly what they must do.

Re:Documentation! (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080404)

Id imagine it is because the protocol is in a state of "flux". I am sure for every little change, they have to go back through every imlementation on every OS to see if there is any adverse effect.

So long as it passes, I would imagine it would still be "compatible".

I imagine the exact same can be said about the Macromedia Flash file format... and a billion other things.

Re:Then stop breaking things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079831)

No, no, no... you don't get it...
This entire lab is build for microsoft to find out how to work as badly as possible with Open Source Software.
Look at the MSN protocol... it has a nice clientID string and code and way to encode this that the only way to make your own client is by reverse engineering MSN messenger. Or, let someone else do it for you and find the method on the web (until a new version of the protocol comes out, of course... then the code is changed and maybe even the method to verify it!)

Re:Then stop breaking things (5, Informative)

psocccer (105399) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079888)

Actually it was apparently a security fix, I recently went through this since we're migrating to XP and samba 3.x + ldap. There is a setting in the group policy editor for checking ownership of roaming profiles in SP1. You have to disable this check by enabling the "Do not check ownership" thing. There are details here [rmschneider.com] , but once you're done it all works fine.

Re:Then stop breaking things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079918)

Dear Mr. Baby buying I am trying to get in all the first posts Buy My Child need to raise my Karma +1,

Believe it or not, it has to do with AGP video cards... as little sense as it makes, I promise you this is the problem. I spent a long, long time trying to figure out what was the cause of the problem... and it turns out you need to turn down the AGP performance settings both in the BIOS and in Windows. Also, boost the voltage. I am guessing you have a Radeon graphics card?

Later, hope you can buy your baby so he has a future with Karma.

Re:Then stop breaking things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080008)

But that's what the labs are for - to ensure that every release and every service pack will break compatibility with open source software.

Re:Then stop breaking things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080065)

I think it is an issue with the PDC emulation of your server. Microsoft released a patch to this problem a few years ago. [microsoft.com]

Its a trap! (5, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079745)

I'm serious.

Re:Its a trap! (5, Insightful)

Atzanteol (99067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079783)

I think it's time "itsatrap" becomes a tag on slashdot...

Re:Its a trap! (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079853)

I've done it, now if enough people do it it can become a real tag.

Re:Its a trap! (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080138)

it looks like it made it.. and first on the list :)

Re:Its a trap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079934)

Your wish is our command.

hmm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079746)

But does it run on Linux?

Yep. (0, Offtopic)

Skiron (735617) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079765)

Whatever Ghandi said...

obligatory (4, Funny)

sTeF (8952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079768)

in other news: hell just froze over.

Re:obligatory (1)

jdray (645332) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079828)

I was thinking of putting that in as a tag, but decided just to wait for the comment to come along. I didn't have to wait long, though. Thanks.

Re:obligatory (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079881)

Tagged as unholy

Woody Allen Quote, marginally on topic (1)

wsanders (114993) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080006)

"The Lion and the Lamb shall lie down together, but the lamb won't get much sleep."

Re:obligatory (4, Funny)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079852)

Right. Next you'll be telling me that Apple is selling x86 machines. Sheesh.

Re:obligatory (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080405)

...and that these x86 Apples will boot Windows XP!!

Re:obligatory (4, Funny)

vwjeff (709903) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080419)

Right. Next you'll be telling me that Apple is selling x86 machines. That run Windows.

Re:obligatory (1)

grassy_knoll (412409) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079895)

Either that or Microsoft's calendar is running five days late...

Re:obligatory (1)

alexhs (877055) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080017)

Either that or Microsoft's calendar is running five days late...

Prabably Port25 wasn't ready on time and delayed...

Re:obligatory (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079998)

Yep. Beelzebub just bought a snowblower and John Wilkes Booth, Hitler, Al Capone, and Superman are passing out ice skates.

Re:obligatory (1)

AVryhof (142320) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080284)

DAMMIT! Now I have to do all that work I've been putting off!

Embrace... (4, Interesting)

LithiumX (717017) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079802)

We all know what this is. They've more or less claimed it as a prime mantra behind their business logic. Embrace and "Extend". The Embracing has started, but that Extension is going to be considerably less fun.

GPL (1)

mtenhagen (450608) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080109)

As long as they follow the GPL rules (which they legaly must) I dont see the problem.

Re:GPL (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080187)

Can't they build and then link to completely separate binaries? If they write a closed source library or program, and make their advancements dependent on that, won't that slow re-implementers down?

Re:GPL (1)

Phillup (317168) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080199)

The GPL basically says they don't have to release one bit of code if they keep everything internal.

And hell really will freeze over before MS releases GPL code.

So... they won't have one bit of problem "complying" with the GPL in this instance.

Re:GPL (2, Funny)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080300)

Microsoft have distributed many GPLed applications, including GCC, for some time as part of the Software for Unix package. Hells still going strong, and provides central heating for the sun.

Re:GPL (1)

MyHair (589485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080399)

As long as they follow the GPL rules (which they legaly must) I dont see the problem.

<cough> binary code with GPL wrapper <cough> a la Nvidia <cough>

If they can get people using their proprietary connectors they can embrace and extend at a whim and leave reimplementers in the dust.

I think all supported MS OS'es have Windows Update and Automatic Updates built in, and they're not supporting XP prior to SP1. They could require their binary connectors to use Windows Updates for updates and claim security patches are the reasons you have to update your binary connectors--which by the way don't work with Samba because [insert BS reason here].

Re:Embrace... (4, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080282)

Just for once I wish Microsoft would "embrace" face to face and not sneak up from behind. Can we at least get some lube for the "extend" part this time?

Re:Embrace... (1)

Frozen Void (831218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080369)

I heard DRM is contagious...

USAF had practice units act like Soviets ... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079806)

The U.S. Airforce once had some of their practice squadrons use Russian tactics and made 'em speak Russian and had 'em briefed with a Soviet flag in the background. This helped the regular pilots practice "against the enemy".

I wonder if this is sort of the same concept going on here.

It's the fox in sheeps clothing (2, Insightful)

Iceman4234 (453874) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079820)

For all of these years M$ has tried to Buy, steal or distroy anything to do with Linux, Then why do they want to be so nice to anyone dealing with Linux, Be afraid.

Re:It's the fox in sheeps clothing (5, Insightful)

vandon (233276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079945)

For all of these years M$ has tried to Buy, steal or distroy anything to do with Linux, Then why do they want to be so nice to anyone dealing with Linux, Be afraid.

It's pretty simple. They've tried killing, buying, and trashing Linux. It's not going away. So now the question is 'How can I make money off of Linux?' This is market research to find out what MS-Linux interoperability tools people may need and how to best sell them.

I can see it now... (4, Funny)

jacobcaz (91509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079825)

For example, a person could ask how to best test the use of Linux desktops working with Microsoft's directory software.

Answer: Thank you for choosing Microsoft(TM) Software. We have studied this problem and have determined to best use Linux desktops with Microsoft's Active Directory(SM) first format the machines and install Windows(TM) XP Professional(SM)...

Re:I can see it now... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079844)

I can't my eyes are burning

Obvious (3, Insightful)

dadragon (177695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079830)

Well, to me it was pretty obvious that Microsoft runs Linux machines. How can they test their competition if they don't? I expect that they also have HP machines with HP-UX, Sun, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Apple machines. It's just good business sense to know what the competition is doing. I'd be disappointed if they didn't.

Oh, OpenBSD also forms the base of Services for UNIX, so that'd be a shock if they didn't have at least some OpenBSD servers.

Now, Microsoft writing about it, that's kinda neat.

Re:Obvious (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080054)

It's just good business sense to know what the competition is doing. I'd be disappointed if they didn't.

Be prepare to be disappointed. Note the choice quote in the summary:

In addition, Port 25 will do video interviews with Microsoft employees with experience in the open-source or Unix world, Hilf said.

My guess is that those employees are few in number, and most work off-site, in the basement, or are otherwise segregated from the rest of the collective, but get to attend weekly meetings with the folks in Marketing.

Do you think they'd be reinventing themselves every few years if they understood the Unix world?

Re:Obvious (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080218)

Working for Microsoft doesn't automatically make someone's knowledge in a field just dissapear. I highly doubt the requirements for working at Microsoft involve "You are not allowed to be near, operate, look at, or have previous knowledge of Linux, Unix, BSD, etc"

Do you think just because someone works for Microsoft, they are a MS "Zealot" of sorts, who cant see past Windows? Or working for Microsoft is some sort of Taboo in the software industry where only the rejects end up?

Re:Obvious (1)

Intron (870560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080380)

A friend of mine who works at MS told me that he was prohibited from installing OSS on his machine at work. I think there was some fear of GPL code contaminating his work.

Re:Obvious (1)

Frozen Void (831218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080394)

This is the consensus on slashdot.
Nothing to discuss here,move along.

Dear Microsoft... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079840)

What's the best way to migrate off of Windows and onto Linux?

Actual Link (4, Informative)

Ctrl+Alt+De1337 (837964) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079847)

Since the summary did not provideth, here's a link to the actual site: http://port25.technet.com/ [technet.com]

wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080146)

Here is the real link: http://www.mslinux.org/ [mslinux.org]

Port 25? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079850)

Can someone tell me we they chose that name? Yes, I know that port 25 is used for SMTP.

Re:Port 25? (1)

Skiron (735617) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079896)

Not anymore - you will have to config Linux to use all the MSN clones on port 25 now (stops the spam too)- innovation!

Re:Port 25? (3, Informative)

Quizro (143975) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080130)

The answer is on the site itself, in a post titled Welcome to Port 25 [technet.com] :
"On a server, the port for SMTP is 25. When you open a port on a server, such as to allow for SMTP traffic, it is commonly referred to as 'listening' on the port. Port 25, therefore, is a metaphor for how we are opening the communication lines to for a discussion around Open Source Software and Microsoft. Cute, huh?"

Re:Port 25? (1)

yupie (772822) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080431)

Which does not really explain why it should be port 25. Other ports are "listened to" just as well (80, 110, 22, you name it). Maybe they thought it sounded the most sexy since 25 is one of the better known port numbers.

Can only imagine first email (5, Funny)

caffiend666 (598633) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079854)

Hello dear friend,

While this message my come as a surprise to you, I have spent extensive time trying to port MS Windows applications to Linux. After my company (Loki Software) went bankrupt, the CEO mistakingly transferred $100m (One Hundred Million US Dollars) to my Nigerian bank account and I am looking for a partner in transferring this money back to the United States. In exchange for this service....

Stop sending these letters! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080412)

Could you please stop sending these scam letters, you are giving Nigerians a bad name by labeling us all as scammers. There are many honest people in Nigeria, such as myself. I'm religious and honest man, son of an former Nigerian diplomat. My father left me a huge ingeritage a sum of five million dollers (5000,000,000 $), but due a fallacy in our taxing system I can't claim that inheritage by myself. I know that you have reputation as honest and god-fearing man Mr. caffiend666 and I would need your help in transfering this money to American banking account. For your assistance in this matter I'm offering ten (10%) percent of this money to you (500,000,000) please contact me or my lawyer Mr. Watanabe about this matter as soon as you can.

Yours,
Ngungo Gwanko

Woah... woah... back up a moment here... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079857)

...microsoft? MICROSOFT LINUX LABS? Hasn't Microsoft strongly oppose the use of Linux/open source for the longest time? April Fools was last Saturday, you guys.

Thats strange. (4, Funny)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079871)

I dunno. Isn't this kind of like Stalin asking for input on the democratic process:

Stalin: Hey guys... I know I've been kind of totalitarian in the past, but... Um... Let's foster some thoughts about that democracy thing we keep hearing about over in the States.

KGB Adivsor: I hear they don't have secret arrests over there...

Stalin: Ok. Thats a start... Anything else?

Army Commisar: They don't have secret laws or show trials.

Stalin: I seeee....

Politburo Advisor: Oh... And they watch funny shows on TV and actually own their own homes and cars and mow their lawns and have these things called elections so that everyone can have their input into the process... Oh and almost forgot there is the...

Stalin: *cuts advisor off* Ok. I think that is enough fostering for a very long time. Lets get back on the subject of 'summary executions'. You know guys, I was thinking maybe we could double our efficiency if we outsource to the Chinese.

Re:Thats strange. (1)

say (191220) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080080)

Hey, Bill has already made it quite clear that it is *linux* users who are the communists.

Re:Thats strange. (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080113)

Wow, you missed Godwin's law for a millimeter!

Re:Thats strange. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080158)

...over in the States.
KGB Adivsor: I hear they don't have secret arrests over there
Ah, the good old days... when the USSR was the nation most guilty of "extraodinary renditions" and torture camps, condemned by the international community. Hello America?

Re:Thats strange. (2, Insightful)

Phillup (317168) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080247)

Isn't this kind of like Stalin asking for input on the democratic process

Well, MS isn't asking anyone anything... they are "providing information".

Their intent is to make the "information" look legitimate by having a huge resource that they could use for "research" if they really wanted to.

So... a more appropriate analogy would be:

Asking Satan for the best way to get into heaven.

In the end you really have to consider the true intentions of the source of the information.

What a world we live in (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15079890)

First Apple lets people install Windows then Microsoft lets its own people install Linux.
Whats next ?
Balmer takes an anger management course and Steve Jobs changes his appearence ?

Re:What a world we live in (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080068)

What's Next? Stallman takes a bath.

Re:What a world we live in (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080151)

Next, Wine actually reaches version 1.0

In other words (5, Funny)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079951)

Microsoft Linux Virus Labs

who do you want to sue today? (3, Interesting)

geoff lane (93738) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079971)

MS admits that staff inspect and use open source.

How do they ensure that none of that source doesn't leak into MS products?

It would be interesting to discover the facts, we've shown you ours, how about you show us yours?

Re:who do you want to sue today? (1)

Phillup (317168) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080266)

How do they ensure that none of that source doesn't leak into MS products?

By realizing it doesn't really matter if you don't ever let anyone see that particular piece of code?

Ever wonder why they *really* don't ever "share" enough of the code to compile the whole thing and compary signatures of the binaries...

Re:who do you want to sue today? (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080407)

It would be interesting to discover the facts, we've shown you ours, how about you show us yours?

We could call it the "get the facts" campaign. Wait hold on...

Date confusion (1)

Dollyknot (216765) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079979)

Have my last five days been spent in a time warp?

Of course MS wants you to submit proposals. (4, Insightful)

Like2Byte (542992) | more than 8 years ago | (#15079980)

{anti-microsoft rhetoric ON}
What's to stop Microsoft from receiving a request then patenting it and stiffling all future OSS development for your submission?

On the covers, it sounds like Microsoft is opening their arms to open-source development - which is what the OSS community has been wanting for years - but, under the covers, what's to prevent Microsoft from garnering too much control of any given project?

This move isn't to gain the respect of the IT community, it's a ploy aimed directly at removing the ever-increasing market share that GNU/Linux has been gaining. Every Linux installation removes the Microsoft Tax Revenue Stream from Microsoft's coffers and that is a threat to them.

Until you see a Microsoft release of a GNU/Linux distro, don't expect Microsoft to support Linux too earnestly. This is just another move by Microsoft geared to directly affect GNU/Linux installations by those installations being replaced with Microsoft server OSs.
{anti-microsoft rhetoric OFF}

Re:Of course MS wants you to submit proposals. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080075)

MS Linux will be closed source and non free. But hey, you wanted compatibility!
Now you can have it. . .

In other news... (4, Funny)

gentlemen_loser (817960) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080000)

The Prince of Darkness (TM) as set up a new site called "Port 666" where residents of Hel will discuss their experiences with that Other guy. As a quote from the PoD himself, "We'd really just like to help the community out there understand the implications of the decesions they make." More on this later...

Good idea. (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080440)

Let's just hope that Microsoft's port25 website remains Open so EVERYONE can see what they're up to.

The enemy within.... (2, Insightful)

caluml (551744) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080012)

Hmmm :) Isn't this how revolutionaries bring down governments - from the inside?

Nah (1)

AoT (107216) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080143)

That's called a coup.

Hmmm. An open source coup at MicroSoft.

I like it.

Let's get working on this kids.

Re:Nah (1)

Phillup (317168) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080331)

That's called a coup.

In 'merica we call them elections.

Just make sure your friends [google.com] are the ones counting the votes...

But, to pull it off you have to make sure the local military is busy in another country. That way you can make it look like you are "building up the military" with increased budgets... but you are really syphoning off money from the treasury and running the military into the ground.

So, when everyone catches on... it is too late.

And if you get caught? Pardons all around!

(Gotta give them credit, it took a time to craft an education system that would produce citizens this stupid.)

In other news... (5, Informative)

init100 (915886) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080030)

...Microsoft urges UK PC vendors to not sell PC's without an OS, since this is a missed opportunity to market their software and services. They also claim that so called naked PCs are often used to install pirated copies of Microsoft software.

Note that they do not specifically mention that this OS is Windows, but I think it is implied between the lines. It is also common knowledge that BSA counts systems sold without a commercial OS as using a pirated OS, which means that computers running Linux or other F/OSS OS'es are included in their piracy statistics.

Re:In other news... (1)

Z34107 (925136) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080243)

This is from a previous slashdot article. The "missed opportunity to market software and services" line was for Microsoft PARNERS and AFFILIATES - the people who specialize in MS products. In other words, they're telling their own vendors that selling less is bad.

Not really all that malicious.

In related news: Microsoft fixes global warming (0, Redundant)

u2pa (871932) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080045)

because hell has just frozen over

Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080052)

Is this the same malware publisher that called linux "a cancer"? Are MS going to provide a version of their malOS that runs under Xen, so we can adequately sandbox it? Are we finally going to be able to run our Windows business apps without tainting the underlying OS with "trusted" (ie: binary) libs?

No? Thought not!

Mod me up! (0, Troll)

AdNauseumEchoes (966679) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080055)

It is so obvious that Bill Gates is doing this just to cover up his efforts to create a virus to destroy the laptops of children in third world countries. He has NEVER donated to charity and KILLED Paul Allen.

Apache on Windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080060)

My biggest microsoft gripe is that I have a heckuva time running apache stuff on windows with all the modules that I enjoy on Linux. There are MS articles (decent articles too) willing to help if I'm running Linux, but I want Apache on Windows. I want to have every concievable server technology from ASP.NET to Subversion to Python on one machine (cause I can), and I want it to be easy to authenticate against my domain (mod_sspi is nice, but sometimes sucks). I want Front Page Server Extensions like I have on Linux!

I know I'm not the only one, but this is one of the least supported webserver+os combos out there. Xampp is totally only half of what I want.

Microsoft just has to adapt to business reality (3, Insightful)

Glowing Fish (155236) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080127)

As large as Microsoft is, they can't totally control the computing choices of all of the businesses and governments in the world.
As much as marketing is importing in the consumer field, I think aggressive advertising is not taken as favorably in the business world. Many large businesses and organizations have chosen to use Linux on various servers, and Microsoft has to acknowledge this, especially if they want to keep their core desktop business.
For example, say you are a large university and you keep thousands of students and staff members' e-Mail on a Linux computer (or computers), and you have labs full of desktops that students use to access it. Say the IT department at this university calls Microsoft up with a question about some minor problem this is causing. Microsoft tech support can't really say "oh, just format that closet full of mail servers and put Windows on them!" They might be able to suggest such a thing in advertising, but they know that if they try it with corporate professionals, they are just going to be laughed at.
Microsoft needs to adjust itself to the decisions corporations, governments, universities and the like are making. It is as simple as that.

Keep your friends close... (3, Insightful)

MindPrison (864299) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080148)

...and your enemies even closer!

Meanwhile, in a private Yoga class in Redmond... (3, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080180)

Yoga Tutor: OK, now put your arms in front of you. Now slowly join your hands making a circle, and breathe out.

Breathe out....
Now extend your arms and breathe in.

Breathe out...
Breathe in...

Join your arms again. Embrace...
Now extend your arms and breathe in. "Extend".

Keep doing it guys...

Embrace...
Extend...

Embrace...
Extend...

Well done! See you next week!

Embrace and extend (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080298)

Why is the first thing that went through my mind "Ok, how're they going to use it against Linux?"? Maybe because it's always been like this so far?

I pondered, and so far the only explanation is their usual "embrace and extend" practice. Take a standard, implement it, then extend with some "extra features" nobody else supports, hope that devs jump the wagon and make use of those "features" until customers have to use their flavor or else something doesn't work.

It worked before in the Browser War, I'd guess it's a tactic that could work again.

Now, how?

My guess goes towards .net. Yes, there's Mono, but MS has the advantage of setting the standard. If they provide a Linux version of the next .net version, Mono will have a rather hard time holding a foot in that market. The framework is free anyway (has to be, who'd buy it?), so MS isn't even losing anything.

After a few years, Mono will vanish. And then MS can start pulling resources from the Linux version, making it less stable, making it slower (unless it's neither stable nor fast from the beginning). Yes, that takes time. But MS is in no hurry.

Whoo Hoo! FreeBSD is safe from Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15080322)

Given they plan on having Linux servers, at least FreeBSD won't have to worry about Microsoft efforts to 'assure interoperability'.

"Fostering communication" (1)

packetmill (955023) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080393)

..to foster communication with those who use open-source.

Like dealing with some strange group of outcasts eh?

Ahem. Maybe we are, but we won't contact you very often.

Hurts our IQ.
Hurts our karma.

Riiiight (1)

PhotoGuy (189467) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080402)

I'm guessing this is mostly a "know thy enemy" kind of thing; the more they learn and explore about Linux, they more they can try to poke holes in it or create F.U.D.. I'm guessing the rewards would be great for someone within MS who can come up with fundamental low-level areas where they can say Linux falls down as compared to XP (whether they are actual, or not).

So, they count BSD as a Linux distrobution. (2, Interesting)

assassinator42 (844848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15080411)

At least, this makes it seem like they do: "The lab's software is even more diverse, with some 15 versions of UNIX and 50 distributions of Linux--including many lesser-known ones like Asianux, CentOS and NetBSD." http://port25.technet.com/archive/2006/03/31/14.as px [technet.com] Looks like there are already a few comments there about it though.
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