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GPS for the Windows Mobile 5?

Cliff posted more than 8 years ago | from the never-unfold-a-map-again dept.

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billapepper asks: "I recently purchased a Sprint PPC-6700 and was looking to add GPS navigation functionality, however there are quite a few to choose from. I've read about TomTom, Co-Pilot Live, and Garmin Que, but haven't been able to tell which one is worth the $200+ price tag. I was wondering what the Slashdot community felt was the best based on support, functionality, accuracy, map sizes, and ease of use. As a side note, I already purchased Microsoft Pocket Streets 2006 (which came with a GPS receiver), so the ideal option would be a way to hack Pocket Streets to add routing capabilities and, if possible, voice guidance."

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48 comments

solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15093412)

1 razr + 1 eTrex + 1 roll duct tape

TomTom wins (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15093475)

TomTom seems to have the most popular following out there out there on the PPC/Palm sites.

PPC-6700 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15093538)

Imagine my disappointment when I found out that it had an Intel processor...

Depends on where you use it... (2, Informative)

cookiej (136023) | more than 8 years ago | (#15093554)

I love the Tom Tom software. I installed it on my iPAQ and use a bluetooth GPS.

That being said, I hate the database. I think TOMTOM is much more euro-centric that they would lead you to believe. The online traffic stuff (last time I checked) was England-only. I went on a trip up to northern Wisconsin in the U.S. and it lost track of the major roads about halfway up the state.

Major cities in US seem to be fine, however. Denver, LA, Minneapolis, all tested fine. However, it almost didn't even have Chandler (growing suburb of Phoenix) in the database at all!

For contrast, we had gone to the same Wisconsin location on a previous trip and took my 2001-Navi Acura (this was 2004 when we went) with a fixed DVD for data and the map data was spot-on. I think Acura uses Navteq, not sure who TOMTOM uses. I'm sure someone else here can fill in that blank.

Re:Depends on where you use it... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15093983)

No shit, TomTom is a dutch company. Now you get a taste of how us euro people feel with US-oriented products :)

Re:Depends on where you use it... (1)

WarlockD (623872) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094038)

I want to say its the BEST GPS I have ever used... But its also the WORST one. God. The maps in that thing are ALTEAST 8 years old. Major interstates are not on it in Dallas. The only hope for TOMTOM is that the rider dosn't use the same maping company that the normal TOMTOM's run. But I am not going to use it till I know. Bleh, just rather buy the $99 map update for my Magellian 700. Why bother blowing money on something with bad databases.

Re:Depends on where you use it... (3, Informative)

Stocktonian (844758) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094209)

Well I don't know how good the U.S. maps are in the TomTom, I can tell you all the European ones are excellent.

My Mother was visiting me in England recently from Spain and bought herself a TomTom 700 while she was here and was planning to drive a car back. After I showed her how to program in a few routes and find Points Of Interest along the way, she was able to navigate from my front door in Manchester to her door on the Costa Blanca _and_ be taken to couple of hotels along the route to break up the journey.
She's no techie and she loves the simplicity, and no it doesn't really bother her that the U.S. maps are a bit old.

Re:Depends on where you use it... (1)

commanderfoxtrot (115784) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094419)

The newer TomTom bluetooth receivers are not as good as some of the other receivers on the market, but the package as a whole is excellent.

I use the TomTom mobile version with my Nokia N70 on Symbian. I think it's called "Mobile 5" but that might be wrong. (Their naming is very confusing.) I should probably also point out I'm UK based -- I have the UK version + the European maps.

I actually use the GPS more for skiing - speed, trip, profile &c.. I'd recommend GPSXC [gpsxc.com] for this - it even comes with a fun little speedometer screen within the software. Luckily is also records your max speed, so when you're skiing over 80mph you don't need to be looking at a small screen on a mobile telephone. (Don't ski over 80mph unless you really know what you are doing!)

Re:Depends on where you use it... (1)

dirgotronix (576521) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095599)

I can tell you right now that their denver map is at least five years out of date.

I'm a taxi driver in denver. Their maps don't even show the colorado mills mall. Searching for addresses on streets that span though multiple zipcodes is like pulling teeth. Example:

14500 W Colfax (the colorado mills mall), comes up with the following choices of streets with which to search for 14500 and be denied due to its old database:
W. Colfax (Edgewater)
W. Colfax (Denver)
W. Colfax (Lakewood)
W. Colfax (Golden)

Also, the address searching function goes based of city/zip, THEN street, THEN address. and i can tell you that exactly zero people will tell you they want to go to golden, west colfax, 14500.

outside of those minor gripes, it's a good piece of software. it keeps me from getting lost when i have to take a trip outside my area of knowledge, and it's handy for seeing street names at night when you can't see the signs. bluetooth to cellphone internet also provides traffic info, which thus far is an hour late but otherwise very handy.

iGuidance (1)

bubblegoose (473320) | more than 8 years ago | (#15093571)

I run iGuidance on my PocketPC, I was running it under WM5 on my Axim x50V, until I realized that bluetooth support for WM5 is terrible.

iGuidance has been working great for me so far.

Tom Tom (1)

DevanJedi (892762) | more than 8 years ago | (#15093613)

I've been using Tom Tom for a while now and it works pretty well; the GPS units themselves are more flakey. You should find deals for less than $200 if you look around.

TomTom (2, Interesting)

jcostantino (585892) | more than 8 years ago | (#15093625)

TomTom has great navigation instructions and the routing is great. But the database is terrible! I bought the most recent Fort Lauderdale database and entire subdivisions STILL don't show up! On top of that, the POI database is limited and sometimes inaccurate.


I've noticed that it's not very helpful getting you to where you have to go unless you already know how to get there! We drove to Orlando, couldn't find the subdivision (existed for 5 years) because it wasn't on the map. On top of that, the only thing that almost none of the Disney hotels showed up on the map.

Avoid Tele-Atlas at all costs (2, Informative)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095902)

Both TomTom and Lowrance MapCreate (the software for Lowrance's GPS receivers) use Tele-Atlas as their data source for roads and POIs.

Both of them have HORRIBLY inaccurate data. POIs will be often off by over a mile, and in some cases will not even be on the correct road. For example, TomTom thinks my local Pizza Hut is on an access road in the middle of a river. In one case I had TomTom route me one mile along a road and then make a U-turn, only to pass my initial starting point. (This road had no turn restrictions and was two-way. No, I didn't actually FOLLOW the route...) Both TomTom and Lowrance's software have incredibly annoying DRM that makes anything a chore even for a single average user. (For example, Lowrance requires a special USB SD card reader to work with their DRM. Forget about using your nice convenient built-in SD reader or a portable reader like the SanDisk MobileMate series - Lowrance's is HUGE. TomTom requires device-specific map activation, so if your device gets damaged or you upgrade, you're screwed.) I'll admit, I tried TomTom in a less-than-legal fashion, so a legit version might be improved, but research I've done indicates that this is not the case. I've seen a lot of similar complaints from people who bought the software and are out $150 on a nice-looking piece of junk with a great user interface. (Yes, TomTom's UI is light years ahead of anything else I've tried so far, but the data is so inaccurate that it doesn't matter. I could get better directions using a TIGER/Line dataset, and TIGER doesn't contain any information on turn restrictions and one-way roads! TomTom's turn restrictions and one-way info are just plain WRONG.)

Mapopolis doesn't have the best user interface, at least not on PalmOS. I don't know about WM5. The next-turn info takes up over half the screen, leaving little room for the actual map. On PalmOS devices, Mapopolis is barely aware of the 5-way nav pad, as a result there is no way to do most things without the stylus. (To be honest, TomTom is also touchscreen-intensive, but they make the icons and touch areas large enough for fingernail operation.) Unlike TomTom, Mapopolis allows for time-limited demos.

DeLorme Street Atlas USA 2006 Handheld has some great features and some major deficiencies. SA2006HH is by far the most compatible with the PalmOS 5-way nav pad. It used to have major compatibility problems with WM5, but DeLorme just released an update on Friday. DeLorme's data is by far the most accurate I have ever used. Unfortunately, their routing engine is pretty slow and their POI search engine is so slow that it might as well not exist. (To DeLorme's credit, TomTom's POI search engine is so inaccurate that it may as well not exist either.) SA2006HH also has the slowest map redraw of any of the handheld software packages I've used. SA2006HH's saving grace - it is the only package that supports topographic maps if you also buy DeLorme's Topo USA. TUSA is the best topographic mapping software I've used to date. TUSA 6.0 + SA2006HH costs less than TomTom ($99 for TUSA, $39 for SA2006HH. If you're already a DeLorme customer you can probably get a significant discount on those, most likely including if you purchase one and then the other once you've registered the first.)

So what do I use? DeLorme for hiking and geocaching, and I'm going to purchase Mapopolis for driving soon. I'll probably wait until this summer though, DeLorme usually releases new versions during late summer, so SA2007HH might come out with significant improvements then.

Oops, forgot two things. (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095928)

Mapopolis uses Navtec data and so far my experience is that it is on par with DeLorme's road data, if not better. Both do such a good job that it's hard to tell.

Recent Garmin street mapping products derive their data from Navtec also, I believe. I know MapSource MetroGuide 5 did, even its non-Navtec predecessor MetroGuide 4 was pretty accurate, although a bit out of date. Not sure about the products that come with their Que packages. Garmin's user interfaces and maps are very good though from past experience, and I once met a person that had one of their integrated Que units and loved it.

Personally, if I didn't already have a Holux GPSlim236, I would seriously consider one of Garmin's Que packages. (The bad thing about Garmin's Que packages is that you must buy it with their Bluetooth receiver, which isn't as good as one based on a SiRF Star III chipset. Star III-based receivers have insane sensitivity, I can get signal locks in the middle of my apartment.) I didn't consider the Garmin GPS 10 package when I bought my GPS because at that point they only supported Windows Mobile and I have a PalmOS-based device. They do support PalmOS now, too late for me though.

IPAQ 6515 (2, Interesting)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#15093640)

Hi,

If you can, I'd suggest returning your current device and buying an Ipaq 6515. It has the GPS unit built right in - no attachments. It comes with TomTom and one free map of a city. You can purchase some of the other maps online. It has worked great for me for the east coast. A little flaky at times, but overall very reliable.

I'd add that the device is not perfect, but it does work exceptionally well. A WM5 version came out recently and while it has a little less memory, you can send it away for a memory upgrade. Cingular is packaging it's 6515 for only 500 with a 2 yr contract, but I believe their version is running WM2003.

Re:IPAQ 6515 (1)

wfberg (24378) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095811)

, I'd suggest returning your current device and buying an Ipaq 6515. It has the GPS unit built right in - no attachments.

That's a bad idea. Why? Because your GPS receiver needs to see the sky. But - you need to see your PDAs screen. Often these two do not mix, for example in your car; you might want to have a GPS receiver horizontally on the dashboard, under the windshield, but the PDA in an upright position. A bluetooth GPS receiver offers more practical configurations to work with, to maximize GPS visibility and minimize screen glare.

Re:IPAQ 6515 (0, Flamebait)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#15100847)

You have no clue how well this thing works. You really out to shut your mouth when you don't know what you are talking about.

The GPS receiver does not need the sky. It can sit inside my pocket. It can sit inside my car at whatever angle I want it to be at. It has no issues. I currently have it burried in from of the gear box in an area where I can see it well.

Re:IPAQ 6515 (2, Informative)

wfberg (24378) | more than 8 years ago | (#15100990)

Geez, you're a might touchy about the capabilities of an inanimate object you happen to own.

GPS operates on microwave frequencies. Those signals are highly directional, you need a line of sight. In fact, if they were easily dispersed and bounced off of lots of things (the way AM bounces of the stratosphere itself for example) it would be pretty useless as a navigational tool. Now, I'm sure it operates in your pocket. Pockets don't insulate that well against microwave RF. So your receiver will still see the RF pouring down from the sky.

Most car roofs, and some specially coated (against the sun/heat) windshields do too (they usually have a non-shielded spot in the middle of the windshield where you can put an RF toll-token or a GPS receiver). Also, in built-up areas buildings on either side of the road will obstruct the line-of-sight to satellites, and your receiver will be best off lying horizontally on a flat surface, with no roof obstructing the view of the sky above it.

It is well possible that you never drive in built-up areas and have a rooftop that is made out of some sort of flimsy balsawood. That does not in any way discredit a piece of general advice given to ALL readers of this website. You're line of reasoning is basically "STFU". Yeah. Real helpful. I respond to that with a hearty "Cognitive dissonance or phallus symbol?"

Re:IPAQ 6515 (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#15101507)

Your criticism of the device not working as well because it does not have an 'attachement' is totally bogus. That is my point. I drive around NYC and DC with sitting on the seat next to me or tucked into the console of the car straight up or in the hands of the person in the back seat of the car or whatever. It has never had a problem. I have an 02 Concord LXi.

So for advice to ALL READERS of this site, the device works fine and others who have it will totally back me up on this:

http://mobilitytoday.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f= 83 [mobilitytoday.com]

I'm not saying the phone is perfect - it has a lot of room for improvement. But it's GPS is about the strongest and best working feature in the device.

Accuracy (3, Informative)

figleaf (672550) | more than 8 years ago | (#15093739)

As far as accuracy is concerned I doubt these small devices can provide accurate voice instructions.
I have driven around the country (US) using a tablet PC and using a voice addin to Mappoint 2004. It is by a huge measure the most reliable navigation system that is commericially available.

Mappoint 2006 comes with built-in Voice-Prompted Driving Guidance -- but I have not tried it.

Just my 2 cents.

Re:Accuracy (1)

Kazymyr (190114) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094585)

Tomtom has very good voice guidance.

Re:Accuracy (1)

Anml4ixoye (264762) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095296)

Actually, I've worked with Nextel (now Sprint) phones which have voice directions that were pretty darn good. I know we also played with some device that had incredible voice driving directions.

The flip side is that the phone had to be connected at the time, but with that caveat aside, it did a heck of a job.

Directions aside, we did some cool stuff with GeoFencing and other nifty GPS tricks that let employees have no idea the level of which their employers are tracking them. Scary, but cool stuff.

Re:Accuracy (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095724)

actually they are often better (nicer, faster and easier to update) than most navigation systems which are built into cars.

the only disadvantage is the lack of a gyro and a speedometer impulse connector so the software cannot estimate the current position when the gps signal isn't available for some time.

Re:Accuracy (1)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104389)

As far as accuracy is concerned I doubt these small devices can provide accurate voice instructions.

They certainly can. I've got TomTom on a Palm TX, and the accuracy of its instructions is limited only by GPS resolution and map accuracy, not 'limitations of a small device'. Plus, I can use a dash mount to position the screen in my field of view. Try that with a laptop and any vehicle that's not an HGV.

Pharos GPS (2, Informative)

cmarks03 (900042) | more than 8 years ago | (#15093866)

If your phone has bluetooth or a CompactFlash slot, you can get the adapters from Pharos (their iGPS-360 is the exact same as the one with Streets and Trips). The Bluetooth adapter runs about $100, and the CF adapter will run about $50. I've used a Pharos GPS for just over a year now, and I love it (though I use their Ostia software, not M$'s offering). You can check them out at www.pharosgps.com [pharosgps.com] .

Re:Pharos GPS (1)

Frobnicator (565869) | more than 8 years ago | (#15103934)

I have to agree with this one. You can get a removable GPS adapter that can be plugged in to a bluetooth radio or a serial cable directly to your handheld. These show up on a COM port on the device so that other software can easily use it. They also have a CF card adapter that I looked at, but didn't like because my big fat rhino-skin case keeps the CF flip top from going to a convenient location. The radio and serial versions both have a car power adapter so you can plug in both the GPS reciever and the PDA. The GPS is a little box that you can remove and do whatever you want with. Or, if you prefer, you can get an all-in-one CF or SD card, both contain Osita in addition to the GPS reciever. The disadvantage is that they eat more power and I don't think they show up as a com port. The GPS reciever by itself is fairly cheap. The Osita natigation software is also relatively cheap purchased separately. You don't have to use Osita if you only buy the bluetooth or serial adapter versions, and that might be true of the other configurations. I don't like the Streets & Trips software, or at least, I didn't when I last used it a few years ago. That's just a personal preference and if you like that software, you can buy it. I have no complaints about the Osita software. There are some tiny problems I've had, but in the Grand Scheme of Things, the problems are insignificant. The biggest problems I've had so far were (1) When visiting LA, two of the places were right on the border of different maps. Keeping multiple maps loaded requires more device memory. On Mobile 5 the memory requirements shouldn't be a big deal. It only loads a few MB into RAM at any given time, and even 64MB should be enough if you have most of it free; I have 128MB on my device and had no problem keeping five maps loaded. (2) Map files are moderately big. Another road trip took about 150MB on my SD card to store all the maps I wanted. But that's what cards are for, right? (3) The software assumes QVGA screen. You can cheat by using an app like SE_VGA that reports a bigger screen and it looks quite nice; (4) Maps are not quite accurate. They are *much* better than some other software I looked at.; (5) Finding the best route sometimes picks slightly bad routes. Sure, it will get you there, but if you have looked at a map you might see that it is faster to take highway X for another three miles. I'm guessing that they just didn't have space for road speeds in the maps, just for road classes. All told, Osita has been a really nice package for me. I have had great experiences with it's accuracy. I had one problem trying to get to a funeral. The cemetary was right next to a freeway and the software kept directing me to a subdivision just barely on the other side of the freeway. That was a single bad location out of hundreds I've used, and even that was not really off by much. If it doesn't satisfy you, the bluetooth adapter just transmits the GPS as a regular COM port -- meaning almost all the software out there can work with it.

Re:Pharos GPS (1)

Frobnicator (565869) | more than 8 years ago | (#15103940)

Doh! I forgot to change my mode from HTML Formatted to Plain Old Text, and I also didn't preview. Something must be wrong with me.

Sorry about the lack of paragraphs in that.

TomTom. (1)

Time Doctor (79352) | more than 8 years ago | (#15093912)

Without a doubt I will say that I've never had a problem with the TomTom software on either the treo or the regular hardware unit. I assume the same is true for the pocket pc.

copilot ... (2, Informative)

madhippy (525384) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094091)

I'd avoid copilot ... software is buggy and they tend to only fix things in new releases which cost $$$ to upgrade to ...

I bought copilot 5 - should have stuck to tomtom ...

Destinator (1)

ItsIllak (95786) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094117)

No-one has mentioned Destinator - I thought it was a bit better for US maps, but I could be wrong. Personally I use Tomtom and it's fantastic. However, I am in the UK and we seem to be kept reasonably up to date with maps and accuracy.

As to comments over getting PocketPC devices instead of WM5, from my experience, the portable devices are just as good. I have a bluetooth GPS on the dash, so I don't have to either leave a map unit in the car, or remember to bring it when I want - it's always on me as it's my phone.

navigon or tomtom i suppose. (4, Informative)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094144)

my job is actually writing a intelligent transportation system which uses a navigation software for pocketpc. we have reviewed maybe 5 different systems: tomtom, navigon, fleet navigator (the same software is also sold as falk navigator and marco polo), destinator and idrive navigator.

they all have their pros and cons
tomtom is great and quite fast. a nice allrounder with a nice sdk
navigon is actually the best one, but a major memory and cpu hog with a REALLY expensive sdk
fleet navigator is buggy as hell and crash prone. the sdk is primitive. but there is a version of fleet navigator called truck navigator and it is the only pda navigation software (and maps) which is optimized for trucks
destinator is ok, but you can contact them about the sdk as much as you want, they never answer.
idrive navigator has the least features but the best sdk - you can build it completely and seamless in your application.

Re:navigon or tomtom i suppose. (1)

petree (16551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094619)

There's another piece of software optimized for truck navigation:
CoPilot [alk.com] by ALK.

They also have non-truck navigation too.
I've used the desktop products, but not the PDA/SmartPhone ones.

Re:navigon or tomtom i suppose. (1)

sonamchauhan (587356) | more than 8 years ago | (#15118994)

Do you know if CoPilot has an API? I googled but couldn't find mention of one.

Specifically does the PocketPC version of CoPilot have an API?

The most useful I've found... (1)

Kazymyr (190114) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094539)

#1 TomTom [tomtom.com]
#2 Mapopolis [mapopolis.com]

Re:The most useful I've found... (1)

Kazymyr (190114) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094543)

Forgot to mention, for receiver I use a bluetooth Holux GPSlim 236 - you can find them on eBay for around $100. Works great.

Links & Slashgeo.org for GPS news and discussi (2, Interesting)

Lord Satri (609291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094560)

I invite you to slashgeo.org [slashgeo.org] . Quite smaller than slashdot (and only 6 months old), but it reach thousands of geospatial professionals and has over 8000 daily hits right now. It has an active GPS section [slashgeo.org] that will undoubtly interest you and of course, the usual Ask Slash section [slashgeo.org] .

"As a side note, I already purchased Microsoft Pocket Streets 2006"

Stories in other sections, such as web mapping, might also interest you since it includes stories such as Open Source Alternatives to Consumer Map Programs [slashgeo.org] . A part of the story: "Open source tends to be lacking in consumer map programs ala Microsoft Streets and Trips [microsoft.com] and Delorme's Street Atlas [delorme.com] . There are several efforts to repair that situation. GMap [sourceforge.net] , Roadster [linuxadvocate.org] , and RoadNav [sourceforge.net] are three examples. [...]"

Another option (1)

3waygeek (58990) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094613)

is DeLorme's Street Atlas 2006 [delorme.com] ; at $40 it's a bargain. It has a little trouble detecting Bluetooth GPS in WM5 (but so does everyone else apparently), but you can work around it with a little registry hacking.

I've used Street Atlas on the Siemens SX66 (WM 2003) and Qtek 9100 (WM5); it works well on both.

Earthcomber's Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094701)

You could try Earthcomber [earthcomber.com] it uses Tiger/Census data so the maps for the entire US are free. It also works with many GPS devices and provides directions. The directions functionality requires an internet connection. Plus, it will find you coffee when you need it.

Mapopolis 100% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094716)

Tom Tom's maps are woefully out of date.

Mapopolis uses the latest Navteq maps.

You get a year of free map updates, and their pricing model charges you for the maps, not the software, so you get unlimited software updates.

Laptops & Palms (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094879)

Haven't played with Windows Mobile 5, but I'll add my exp points just because people will be reading.

For serious trips, I plug the laptop into our little AC inverter and use the full US Garmin MapPoint / NavPoint database. Without the laptop, I can drag my Garmin Legend around and leave it running so I still get to save my journey / hike track for later without worrying about running down the battery on my PDA. The database is great, my only serious gripe is that it doesn't seem to include subway stations.

Sometimes I also have Google Earth loaded with cached data... I'd be using Google Earth exclusively if they actually had a live GPS tracking module, and if the connection through my GPRS/EDGE mobile phone actually worked with the Google Earth servers.

For everyday reference, I have Mapopolis on my Palm T5. I keep most of my local maps loaded on an SD card. I haven't shelled out for a bluetooth GPS to hook up to it, so I basically just use it as a map. It takes a really long time to search for addresses and things unless you know what county (?!) to limit your active database to. So I really only use it as a pan/zoomable map (which it excels at on the Palm) and for very little else.

So I really like the usability of the Garmin software... I have much better experiences searching for addresses and facilities even using the hat switch on a virtual keyboard on my (old, old) Garmin Legend than I do on Mapopolis. Mapopolis doesn't even sort the list of results by distance from a location!

Does anyone know if there's a way to get the iQue software on my Palm T5 so I can use the same Garmin MapPoint database I've already paid for?

Mapopolis (2, Interesting)

AdminGamer (967203) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095265)

TomTom has a pretty good UI, and I think that's what sells it more than anything.

Mapopolis http://www.mapopolis.com/ [mapopolis.com] runs on Windows Mobile and Palm, and the updates to the actual software are free.

You get a year's worth of free updates to the maps, which are based on NAVTEQ maps (ie, Google Maps, etc).

While it's closed-source, they do have an open beta program they run which lets you try out the latest features and get suggestions put in. It's definitely more of a power-user's app, but with a free demo, you can't beat it. :)

(One important note about TomTom. You CAN NOT move it from one PDA to another. It hardware-locks to your pocket device. Mapopolis can fit itself and most of the United States on a single mini-SD, which is real nice for the iPAQ RW6515 that Cingular has with integrated GPS.)

TomTom by far (1)

DJ Wipeout (139210) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095368)

I have a T-mobile MDA, and I've personally evaluated MS Pocket Streets 2006, Delorme Street Atlas Handheld 2006, and TomTom 5. Far and away, TomTom has the best UI. It lets you easily set up a new route directly on the unit. Pocket Streets doesn't even DO routing, and I fought with Street Atlas for a week and STILL couldn't figure out how to generate routes directly within the program based on an address. Even Delorme admits their UI sucks and won't really do anything about it. Everything had to be done on a PC and transferred to the device. TomTom also deals best with missing directions. If you miss an exit or turn the wrong way, it'll automatically recalculate directions based on your current position. Delorme Street Atlas just whines "Off Route" at you. Voice prompts on Street Atlas have a *half-mile* granularity, so you'll get "turn left in one half mile" then right when you get on top of it "turn left". TomTom will tell you every hundred yards or so up to the turn.

I live in the bay area, and I have yet to have a problem with an address not existing, so based on what other people are saying, it looks like database quality depends on what state you live in. If your device is a phone, or you can get access to an internet connection from your device somehow, you can get live traffic updates, just like the hardware TomToms. The only problem I have with TomTom is that it takes about a minute for it to start up on my phone, but I think that's my phone's problem. (MDA is known to have a slow processor) I couldn't find it in a store, but you should be able to find TomTom at any of the major mobile device software websites. Best $150 I EVER spent.

As for a GPS, I got the Delorme Blue Logger. It's also $150, but it supports an external antenna, plus you can have it record waypoints as you move. Configuring that requires a PC, however.

iGuidance FTW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095750)

I have a ppc6700 and have been involved with the non oem gps navigation scene at mp3car.com for some time. That being said, the 2 winners are tomtom and iGuidance; both have excelent voice directions, the distinguishing features are tomtom wins on UI but has terrible maps (and you have to switch which state you are in manually), while iGuidance has spot on maps and much better routing but a slightly clunkier UI.

I would spend your money on iGuidance if I was you.

-PURDooM http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5 9713 [mp3car.com]

PapaGo (1)

gpsguy2 (967292) | more than 8 years ago | (#15097413)

I looked into DeLorme, Mapopolis and a Taiwan-based package called PaPago. In a testdrive I was quite pleased with the timely prompts, sound quality and map accuracy of PaPaGo. It does feel good to put your trust on a package like this and get back to a known geography with its help. PaPago uses TeleAtlas, the 2nd digital map provider. NavTeq has the lead in several markets. The issue with DeLorme is that it uses the TIGER database that lacks updates in several places. But it would be good if the public database could be kept up to date. Plus, there is a free version of MS Pocket Streets available and a utility that convert the current map format in the old one. Peace, jeepx.net

I love the Garmin Que, but can't find Starbucks!!! (1)

tiedyejeremy (559815) | more than 8 years ago | (#15098301)

I have a Garmin iQue M3. After reveiwing the maps and routing of Tom Tom, Que and microsoft streets, I went for the iQue. I love the address search and business seach, though some times it missess a residential address by as many as 5 houses and there are quite a few more Starbucks in the world than it can find. We had a heck of a time find coffee stops in Alabama and northern Georgia... We had to resort to actually calling a Starbucks (telephone numbers of businesses are included on the Garmin iQue) that wasn't very near the highway and asking where a better stop would be.

gpspassion (1)

speculatrix (678524) | more than 8 years ago | (#15098390)

try www.gpspassion.com as a good place to start to find info on gps hardware, reviews etc.

TomTom, GPS and WM5 (2, Interesting)

redjupiter (718554) | more than 8 years ago | (#15098432)

I recently purchased (first use of GPS for me) TOMTOM Navigator 5 with bluetooth, running on O2 ZDA Exec (I-mate Jasjar or HTC universal) over here in London. The software is pretty good and the instructions are very clear. Route calculations are very fast, fix acquisitions nor more than few seconds at most. Full post code search. Takes tiem to get used ot the instructions, for example, (not usre if it is a bug) ona roundabout in London it told me to take the fifth exit when there is none. Later as I was driving around the roundabout I noticed a road entering the roundabout. To TomTom it was an exit, according to the road rules it isn't since it is incoming only (the board at the roundabout says so too). Another mistake it made, it told me to turn left into a one way road, I did not and took the most logical route (after a lot of swearing from black cab drivers) and it recalculated my new route within a second. I have tested it on routes between London, Oxford and Swindon. Next week it is the country side. Some people here says bluetooth sucks on WM5. I am not sure how they found out that. I have been using my XDA for about six months, and I use bluetooth almost 20 hours a day non-stop. It is used for synchronization, business card and file exchange, and finally and most importantly, I use it with my bluetooth car kit. It never dropped a beat. It works fine with TomTom bluetooth GPS (I almost don't think about it as I take forgranted it is there, My bluetooth is on 24 hours). Other applications had no problem finding the bluetooth GPS receiver and communicating with it. Overall, I would have liked to see a better TomTom database and some utilities to make the most of the GPS when it is not used for navigation. Hope this helps.

Simple really (1)

Samael_666 (669404) | more than 8 years ago | (#15099130)

If you are in the US of A, then get a Navteq based package. For Europe, get TomTom which is Tele Atlas based ...
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