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206 comments

Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (-1, Troll)

justthinkit (954982) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094774)

I've heard that Firefox is a memory hog. I use Opera and like its lightweight design -- pages load fast, ads are blocked and ram usage is low. Does Firefox trump this?

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (1)

masterzora (871343) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094784)

Well, excluding extensions (which Opera has support for, too, though extending is more difficult), the only other advantages don't matter to most users: it's open source and it's a much smaller download. It blocks ads, too, so that's not an Opera advantage. It just comes down to a matter of preference after that: lower ram usage compared to better extendibility.

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (1)

justthinkit (954982) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094876)

Wait, a much smaller download than Opera?! Opera v8.51 was 3,843,584 bytes. Anything less than this can not seriously be considered as a notable feature.

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095253)

Well, it's been a while since I've been to either download page, but I remember Opera being 16MB and Fx at 5MB. Forgive my error, but I *did* call the point negligible.

(Excuse the AC posting. I'm posting from my cellular phone.)

Slashdot is working towards a Sunday trifecta (0, Redundant)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094789)

1. First post has nothing to do with TFA

2. TFA is slashdotted after the first post

3. I'm waiting for the dupe.

Ah, Sunday mornings in cyberspace.

Re:Slashdot is working towards a Sunday trifecta (2, Informative)

caffeination (947825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094805)

4. This is the most boring self-promotion ever.
5. There was no need or demand for this [mozilla.org] .

This story reaks of one of those Top Ten lists you see in print magazines.

Re:Slashdot is working towards a Sunday trifecta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094895)

I'd agree that this wasn't needed, but the dood has some tre chic linkage to daft stuff in the sidebar. I really got a kick out of the artsy manhole covers (and *no* it's not a goatse thing!).

Re:Slashdot is working towards a Sunday trifecta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095002)

5. There was no need or demand for this.

I can't get through to see the article, but from the summary I was imagining it actually tried to identify useful extensions for the average user. That's totally different from what the official Mozilla extensions listings do: those throw it all together in loose categories, so you'll have essentials like Adblock all mixed in with esoteric stuff like extensions that scan page text for references to the Lotus Sutra and convert them into links to parallel passages from the Analects of Confucius or whatever.

It's not actually uncommon for people to complain that there are too many extensions and they just don't have time to go through and find out what would be useful for them. So, sorry, but you lose -- there is both a need and a demand for... well, I don't know if it's for this, but if not, it's for something like what I've described.

Re:Slashdot is working towards a Sunday trifecta (0)

caffeination (947825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095122)

Yeah! A list of cool extensions? I take it all back! +digg!

Mirrors (2, Informative)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094809)

Re:Mirrors (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095054)

WTF is a cashe?

Re:Mirrors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095075)

It's my appalling spelling of cache.

--I'm the GP; posting AC because I'm way off topic.

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (3, Interesting)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094808)

> I've heard that Firefox is a memory hog

Firefox caches a lot of pages in memory because studies show that the "back" button gets heavy use in average browsing situations. So cacheing recently visited pages improves performance.

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (0)

justthinkit (954982) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094865)

The only people who would kill for speed are geeks. As a 22+ year computer user I think I qualify. I almost never use the back button as I can't stand how so many sites reload when I do that. So I shift-click (or middle-button-click in Opera). So Firefox is hogging my RAM (that I use and want to continue using for other things TYVM) for a feature I don't use?!

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094956)

So Firefox is hogging my RAM (that I use and want to continue using for other things TYVM) for a feature I don't use?!

No. You're not using Firefox, you're using Opera. Remember? Firefox isn't hogging any of your RAM for anything. Feel better now?

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094892)

Firefox caches a lot of pages in memory because studies show that the "back" button gets heavy use in average browsing situations. So cacheing recently visited pages improves performance.

When your low memory system starts swapping because of FF, its definitely NOT improving peformance.

Why does FF not free() memory when I close tabs or windows? I can get to a situation where I have closed everything except a blank window and it yet still hogs hundreds of megs of memory.

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095125)

Why does FF not free() memory when I close tabs or windows? I can get to a situation where I have closed everything except a blank window and it yet still hogs hundreds of megs of memory.

That may be your operating system's fault. Many OSes assign memory to an application as demanded, but do not reclaim it when it's released - they leave it assigned to that application, so the next time the application demands memory it can just reuse the same block. I believe Windows may do this as a compatibility measure -- it reduces the likelihood of badly-written programs crashing, because there's a better chance that dereferencing a freed pointer will still actually point to valid data.

So, yeah, it sucks, but it's not necessarily Firefox's problem.

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095130)

Ah, but Firefox does free memory when you close tabs and windows.

It just almost never returns it to the operating system. See, instead of using one of the many well-tested memory allocators available online, they use a custom memory allocator. And the way it works, it only returns memory used at the end of the heap back to the OS.

So, generally speaking, memory Firefox uses will NEVER be returned to the OS. Oops!

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (1, Informative)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095275)

One of the wonderful things about open source.Don't like the way something works?Tweak it to your liking.Here are some links that will help with doing just that

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Reducing_memory_usage_(F irefox)#Settings_that_reduce_memory_usage [mozillazine.org] http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/04/04/reducing-y our-memory-usage-in-firefox/ [cybernetnews.com]

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (0, Troll)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095165)

So how come it won't just render a "back" gesture instaed of trying repost the !$%% data to have the server regenerate the page? That's what the !@#$#@$ reload button is for.

Sorry 'bout that. Its just that the "instant" back (w/o re-post) is one of the things I miss from opera. I'm sure all of my other annoyances could be fixed with plugins in ff, but I don't have time to find them (mozilla.org is terribly unorganized, imho).

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (4, Funny)

nostriluu (138310) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094819)

Firefox is not a "memory hog." It simply uses all the memory of your system in a very effective way. Since modern computers ship with 512MB of RAM or more, Firefox will happily consume all this memory. Firefox *screams* with 16GB of RAM. It also *screams* when you have not so much RAM, although in this sense of "scream" I mean it crashes.

Firefox is also a visionary product, looking forward to the day when the browser is the only application one uses.. if it's not, it certainly doesn't leave much room for other apps.

I mean, seriously, I *heart* firefox, but it's scary when it consistently uses twice as much memory as the traditionally most bloated of all apps, a Java IDE.

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (2, Interesting)

kv9 (697238) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094862)

i've got no problem with the memory usage. my install hovers around 60-70 megs with ~10 tabs opened at all times. if it starts acting funny and passes the 100 meg mark i just restart it. session saver helps you not give a fuck about that.

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (1)

pdpTrojan (454023) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094987)

lol, whatever... If it was IE, all you fags would be like ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!! MS is trying to own my computer!!!

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095342)

Did you hear a whoosing sound above your head when you typed your response?

Re:Are extensions the only advantage of Firefox? (1)

caffeination (947825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094851)

I have about 700MB of RAM on my Celeron D laptop - this is fairly average hardware as I understand. I have never seen any of this fabled memory hogging, and I have the KDE system monitor in my taskbar at all times in order to identify just this kind of issue.

What it does suffer with is instability. While it was an improvement when I moved from Internet Explorer a few years back, Konqueror and Opera are both definitely better browsers. Familiarity with the UI, keyboard shortcuts, and the range of extensions are what keep me in Firefox, not the quality of the app itself - similar to what kept me in Windows for about a year after discovering Linux, incidentally.

Nice Idea, but No Thanks (1, Insightful)

PingXao (153057) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094800)

TFA slashdotted after being up for less than 10 minutes on /.? There's got to be a better site for Firefox extensions. Not exactly making my bookmark list.

Re:Nice Idea, but No Thanks (4, Insightful)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094820)

There's got to be a better site for Firefox extensions

It's called addons.mozilla.org ;)

Re:Nice Idea, but No Thanks (4, Informative)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094904)

I use Portable FireFox [portableapps.com] (and addons.mozilla.org)

I find it preferable to have a no-install zip file than a windows installer and the mozilla site lags waaay behind in providing a no-install version.

Re:Nice Idea, but No Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095336)

Boy, could that web site have more "coming soon!" sections? Seems the only thing they have is portable firefox. Nice idea, but no thanks.

Re:Nice Idea, but No Thanks (3, Insightful)

Pneuma ROCKS (906002) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095034)

I would like to see a site that *does not* have a comprehensive list and instead shows something a little more useful, like the extensions that are not in alpha or beta stages, and the extensions that are not the "my first useless geek" extension. A list of good extensions.

I like addons. But I think it still has a long way to go to become user friendly. On the other hand, extensions are generally aimed to more tech-savvy users, because average users may be afraid to try them. Are these sites aiming at the right demographics or leaving out a very large potential audience?

Re:Nice Idea, but No Thanks (4, Informative)

christopherfinke (608750) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094826)

There's got to be a better site for Firefox extensions.
There is. [mozilla.org] I'd also like to mention here that Slashdotter [efinke.com] is at version 1.5 and now supports customizing the style for each Slashdot section separately.

Re:Nice Idea, but No Thanks (2, Funny)

zanglang (917799) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095061)

Have to say it's a wee bit disapointing the 'OMG Ponies!!' style didn't come with 1.5, but awesome extension nonetheless ;)

Re:Nice Idea, but No Thanks (5, Informative)

BruceCage (882117) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094837)

There are, how about the Extend Firefox contest [mozilla.org] or CNET download.com's Best Firefox Extensions [download.com] and Optimizing Firefox [download.com] .

And this article doesn't even mention ScrapBook [vis.ne.jp] even though it has to be one of the most revolutionary ways to organize reference material. Just check it out, it won 'Most Useful Upgraded Extension' in the Extend FF contest.

Re:Nice Idea, but No Thanks (1)

baadger (764884) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094848)

Personally I don't like any webpage that has a 'slashotted' link to the The Digg Effect on Wikipedia! No Digg!...oh... wait..i mean... move along nothing to see here.

Correction -- (4, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094802)

Always updated with the latest Firefox extensions, and tweaks."
Should be: "One at a time, please ..."

1 post and its already inaccessible.

No wonder the guy submitted it anonymously.

Re:Correction -- (1)

surendran (848863) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094860)

I wonder why they left MOUSE GESTURES ??????

Are there any extensions... (0, Troll)

ZSpade (812879) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094804)

To make it stop crashing? I mean I like firefox and all, and I use it on every computer I have, but I've also seen it crash on every computer I've had... Especially when it comes time to open the dreaded PDF...

So I ask, are there any extensions or hacks to help with this?

So you blame Firefox for Adobe's product? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094817)

Since it opens the dreaded PDF as a plugin? A plugin that Adobe, not Mozilla/Firefox, developed?

Re:So you blame Firefox for Adobe's product? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094861)

From inside Acrobat Reader. Edit>Preferences>Internet>Uncheck "Display PDF in Browser">OK. Problem solved.

Re:So you blame Firefox for Adobe's product? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094927)

Since it opens the dreaded PDF as a plugin? A plugin that Adobe, not Mozilla/Firefox, developed?

Even if Firefox can't do anything about the slowness in opening a PDF (which they probably can't), there MUST be something they can do about the insane slowness of closing one, or going back to previous page.

Okay, maybe the plugin will insist on hogging some memory for the next half hour but having been told to go back to the previous page Firefox should be perfectly capable of displaying the previous page, not leaving the plugin in place for as long as it feels like sitting there.

Re:Are there any extensions... (1)

Elsan (914644) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094866)

There's a useful extension called(I think) "PDF Download" that when a .pdf link is opened, it asks whether or not you want it to open it or save it. Works very well.

Re:Are there any extensions... (2, Interesting)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094875)

Firefox stores plugin information in memory long after the plugin is closed and done being used. Whether this problem can be attributed to Adobe's work or Mozilla's, it's still a problem.

Firefox keeps downloaded items in the download list, even when they're completed. Unfortunately, this can add up quick - so you should make sure you clear out that list frequently. I heard about this and discovered my list was hundreds of items long. It took nearly thirty seconds just to register the download.

There are also memory problems with using a lot of tabs. I used to restart Firefox five or six times a day because it was either crashing or moving so slowly that it wasn't usable.

Finally, I removed most of the extensions I had. The stuff I didn't use on a regular basis or that were further sources of my headaches (FoxyTunes is great except that it caused iTunes to open [and lock FF up)]any time I hit certain key combos).

My solution?

I use Flock [flock.com] and the only extensions I use are Web Developer, AdBlock, and IE View. There are plenty of others, but I decided I can afford to skip them. Also, I find it far prettier than Firefox and any of the skins I've tried.

Just my $0.02, of course, but it might work for you.

Re:Are there any extensions... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094891)

Inside Firefox. Tools>Options>Privacy>Download History>Remove Files from Download Manager: Upon Successful Download/When Firefox Exits/Manually. Pick your poison, and again...problem solved.

Re:Are there any extensions... (3, Informative)

justthinkit (954982) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094901)

Firefox stores plugin information in memory long after the plugin is closed and done being used. Whether this problem can be attributed to Adobe's work or Mozilla's, it's still a problem.

When I used IE, Adobe's horrible Acrobat plugin was definitely the problem. Close a page that was a pdf and the Acrobat plugin would stay in memory (taking a huge chunk of it BTW). I would have to fire up Task Manager and kill the Acro plugin every time.

As to a better PDF reader, may I suggest Foxit PDF reader. Loads much faster, better memory usage etc.

Re:Are there any extensions... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094968)

Close a page that was a pdf and the Acrobat plugin would stay in memory (taking a huge chunk of it BTW).

Define "huge"

Re:Are there any extensions... (1)

justthinkit (954982) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095028)

[I had to reconfigure Acrobat to be used by default for PDFs in IE, so I only did this on my oldest computer, a 320MB RAM machine running XP.]
IE Acrobat plugin uses 22MB used, Acrobat plugin stays in memory when IE is closed

By comparison on my main machine, a 1GB RAM machine running XP,
FoxIt plugin uses 7.9MB, Foxit plugin removes itself when IE is closed

Comparing both plugins on the same machine would make things look even worse for Acrobat -- IIRC, it will use about 32MB of RAM on a 1GB machine.

Re:Are there any extensions... (1)

multiOSfreak (551711) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094932)

Firefox keeps downloaded items in the download list, even when they're completed. Unfortunately, this can add up quick - so you should make sure you clear out that list frequently. I heard about this and discovered my list was hundreds of items long.

You can change this behavior in preferences. In the "Privacy" tab, select the "Download History" tab. From there, you can decide when Firefox should purge the download history list. You can set it to delete items from the list as soon as a download is complete, when Firefox exits, or manually.

Re:Are there any extensions... (1)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095164)

Thank you for the tip on cleaning up the download list. I didn't know that a long list was why it was taking about 4 seconds for my downloads to start. You've quadrupled my download productivity! :-)

Re:Are there any extensions... (2, Informative)

gihan_ripper (785510) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094887)

There's certainly a way to help with PDFs, namely not to use the plugin at all! You can get Firefox to open the file externally by default. Details [blogspot.com] on my blog. Alternatively, use the PDF download extension.

Re:Are there any extensions... (1)

zanglang (917799) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095106)

You're probably looking for a session manager/crash restoration extension, personally I'd recommend Tab Mix Plus. Every time it crashes, I just shrug, restart Firefox, click 'Restore', tadda, all tabs restored, back to browsing.

One thing I've learnt about opening PDFs is... well, don't open pdfs. Check the link first, then unless I know it's a mediocrely sized file, right-click, 'Save as'. Haven't tried the PDF Download extension others are recommending though, trying to keep my extensions at a minimum. :P

CORAL CACHE WORKS BEAUTIFULLY (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094806)

The coral cache has mirrored this site already and works beautifully. If you don't know the URL, it is http://willlangford.com.nyud.net:8090/geekpages/fi refox/ [nyud.net] Have fun.

Re:CORAL CACHE WORKS BEAUTIFULLY (1, Insightful)

jtara (133429) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094823)

Naw, the Coral Cache is slashdotted too!

Anyway, Mozilla's own extension list has always worked well for me. Why do we need another one?

Oh, I know! For anonymous' Adsense income!

Re:CORAL CACHE WORKS BEAUTIFULLY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095074)

Oh, I know! For anonymous' Adsense income!

I doubt it, for in that case he/she wouldn't have talked so much about Adblock ;)

Re:CORAL CACHE WORKS BEAUTIFULLY (1)

porttikivi (93246) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095195)

Well, it works for me, with the Firefox Coralize extension. And Coral always worked for me when pages were slasdotted.

Re:CORAL CACHE WORKS BEAUTIFULLY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094919)

No it doesn't work beautifully.
It's slashdotted too.
BTW: does this coral cache ever work at all? Or is it just a running joke?

Coral extension too! (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095141)

With that, use Coral [coralcdn.org] extension! It works well in my Mozilla v1.7.12 installations in Windows XP, Mac OS X 10.2.8, and Linux (Debian).

Firefox extensions and plugins are good. (1, Interesting)

AWhiteFlame (928642) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094816)

I've used opera and I just didn't like the UI. Even though Firefox is not necessarily lightweight, it one of my main applications; it doesn't last a minute closed. I have my Gmail notifier in the corner, my adblock extension removing all banners and ad squares, I have my slashdot extension providing alternate links to sites. If I go to a site with an embedded wmv, avi, or whatever, I have MPlayerPlug-in [sourceforge.net] which will play it for me. If there is a site where it disallows me because I'm not using Internet Explorer, I can switch what firefox identifies itself as. Pages load plenty fast, I've never thought of it as being slow. So, as someone above said, even though firefox has its faults, it fits my needs. Perhaps opera suits your needs better.

That being said, coral cache, google cache, mirrordot and the original link all seem to not be working for me, so I can't comment on TFA. :/

Link to chached text (2, Informative)

ColeonyxOnline (966334) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094827)

Link to google's cached text for the article [72.14.203.104] .

From that list, I use Adblock Plus. Great extension if you have dialup, like me :)

the list as I would have written it. (1, Informative)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094829)

1. GreaseMonkey [mozdev.org] .
It's cool. Seriously! It's way, way cool. And I mean that. Totally.

Best plugin evar.

2. I forgot.

Re:the list as I would have written it. (2, Informative)

oever (233119) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094949)

Yep, and this is the most useful script for it: QuickGallery [userscripts.org] .

Click here [userscripts.org] to install.

Re:the list as I would have written it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094974)

My extensions (4, Informative)

Lord Satri (609291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094830)

Well.. while the linked site does not answer (/. effect probably), here's my favorite extensions. I try to install only those really useful to my efficiency. Right now, it's really hard to find the best extensions from Firefox's site.

Adblock
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php ?id=10&application=firefox [mozilla.org]
Needless to say, the most important extension to me. But even better with this one: Adblock Filterset.G Updater 0.3.0.3 https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1136/ [mozilla.org]

TabFX
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php ?id=1486&application=firefox [mozilla.org]
while we wait for Firefox 2.0

FlashGot
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php ?id=220&application=firefox [mozilla.org]
but I never really used it on a regular basis

Page Update Checker
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php ?id=920&application=firefox [mozilla.org]
That one should be in the built-in features. Very useful.

And not to forget (not listed on Firefox's website): Bug me not:
http://roachfiend.com/archives/2005/02/07/bugmenot / [roachfiend.com]
Very useful for the soul-sucking registration-required articles on slashdot ;-)

Cheers.

Re:My extensions (2, Interesting)

cciRRus (889392) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094920)

I think you meant Adblock PLUS.

Re:My extensions (2, Informative)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095103)

Actually, I still perfer Adblock over Adblock plus now that they've finally added whitelisting.

Re:My extensions (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095060)

FlashGot has to be the most overhyped extension EVER. FlashGet sucks anyways, you'd have to pay me to use it, so there's little point to an extension for it. Of all the download managers I've tried, that was more or less the worst. I find it funny they even ask money for it.

And you're missing LOTS of great extensions still:

Forecastfox (for weather)
PDF Download (so it asks to download PDF file vs open it in slow bloated plugin)
Foxytunes (to control winamp or whatever without switching tasks)
Various tab/download/etc tweakers, I've also used one that "linkified" plain text URLs (quite handy), "copy plain text", etc. There are tons of great/handy extensions if you dig enough to find them.

And if you're into web development at all there's tons more:

Web Developper Toolbar (totally wicked)
SwitchProxy (quick switch to HTTP debugging proxy - or Tor, or whatever)
ColorZilla (when you see a color you really like and want to know the number)
There's also a very, very cool sidebar (devedge)
Various JavaScript & CSS tools (too many to list)
And again tons more (like a "lorem ipsum" generator) ...

And then there's tons of stuff that sounds extremely useful, but that I've never really bothered with. Things like:
-extensions to sync your bookmarks between all PCs
-greasemonkey (well, I tried this one, but it didn't work *AT ALL* no matter how hard I tried)
-stumble upon (found a some really interesting links that way, just never really bothered installing it again)
-a few XUL apps (FTP & IRC clients at least, but I didn't like them as much as a "real" app)

Unfortunately, Firefox has issues... After a couple hours of browsing it's GUARANTEED to be using 150MB+ of RAM. A couple more hours and it's more like 250+, and usually 90% of the CPU too. I so wish Opera had extensions. I love the browser, but without extensions... Not a chance, I'll stick with my buggy browser meanwhile.

Re:My extensions (1)

MrTufty (838030) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095101)

The FlashGot extension doesn't just work with FlashGet, but also quite a few other download managers. I personally use Free Download Manager with mine, but I'm looking for a better one. I do agree though, FlashGet sucks!

Re:My extensions (2, Informative)

birder (61402) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095178)

I use the DownThemAll extension for file grabbing. It has regex built in.

  http://downthemall.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

Slashdot Extension (5, Informative)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094831)

The TFA is about Firefox Extensions.
The TFA was quickly Slashdotted.

The perfect moment to suggest the Slashdot Firefox Extension:

Slashdot Extension [slashdot.org]

Generates TFA mirror links and other handy features...

Re:Slashdot Extension (0, Troll)

Damek (515688) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095024)

I was trying to read the TFA on my mobile cell phone while automatically getting cash from an ATM machine but the text of the TFA was too small small.

Re:Slashdot Extension (1)

jeblucas (560748) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095173)

The perfect moment to suggest the Slashdot Firefox Extension
Yep. I used it to make this largely meaningless reply. Folks, making meaningless replies has never been so easy. Truly this is a great day for the Slashdot community. Run, run to get the Slashdot extension in the parent above. May our endless blather will never cease.

Re:Slashdot Extension (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095203)

anyone have the problem where you're unable to collapse threads with this plugin? the link just doesn't show up.

Re:Slashdot Extension (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095350)

I'd suggest a better thing to install would be the CoralCache extension - it'll work on any site, not just Slashdot.

I really need this website (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094870)

My Firefox really needs a tweaking... This page is taking all day to load!

Firefox in Linux is a memory hog (0, Offtopic)

ravee (201020) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094925)

Firefox is my favourate web browser. But unfortunately, linux build of firefox is a memory hog. I wonder if it is the linux distribution maintainer's mistake or there is a bug in firefox code for linux.

Re:Firefox in Linux is a memory hog (1)

Myen (734499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094950)

Well, the Mozilla devs have been very good with cross-platform parity; it's also a memory hog on Windows :p

Some have reported that extensions can cause the memory usage to be worse; try Firefox's safe mode (which basically lets you run without extensions or themes, but the same prefs are used) to see if that might be the problem.

Re:Firefox in Linux is a memory hog (1)

ravee (201020) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095257)

It is not the extensions really. I have not installed any. Still it takes up a lot of memory. Also the firefox build that is installed in Ubuntu dapper displays the web pages with an 'i' character missing from the text in the webpage.

Average power user? (3, Informative)

rossdee (243626) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094945)

So what is an average power user? Did somebody do a survey? (the term average implies some statistics have collected...)

Re:Average power user? (1)

madcowbrit (828657) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094988)

I can't see any data referenced. I'd prefer to see the extension list for the Above average "power" user... -scf

Re:Average power user? (0, Flamebait)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095037)

So what is an average power user? Did somebody do a survey?

Survey says:

  • North America: 120 volts
  • Europe: 240 volts

Now, since the article itself is slashdotted ... why not a little off-topic Sunday entertainment:

... come on, "power user"? Right up there with "road warrior" for laptop users. If you don't code, you're not a "power user" - you're a user. And please, spare us all the "I can modify my spreadsheets" - that was the original idea - that USERS can modify them. No technical skill required. No real "coding".

Now plese wxcuse me while I look for my asbestos undies.

Re:Average power user? (0, Flamebait)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095046)

I'd say someone who's monthly electric bill is in the $40-$50 range.

Re:Average power user? (2, Informative)

drDugan (219551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095292)

"average power user" -- oxymoron. If you're a power user, you are not average, and taking an average of the outliers doesn't make much sense.

Combating the dreaded Flash (4, Informative)

lightyear4 (852813) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094953)

Adblock may handle most everything else, but it is still lacking in its ability to handle {Macromedia|Adobe} flash.

The solution is FlashBlock [mozilla.org] , and it works incredibly well. Not only does it make browsing faster, it reduces the bright flashing 'bunch bush to win $10' ads to whitespace -- tis much easier on the eyes.

For those rare occasions where you actually want to see the flash, just click on the play button that adblock substitutes for the embedded swf.

Re:Combating the dreaded Flash (1)

Clueless Nick (883532) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095007)

Ever tried Ctrl + Shift + F with Adblock? *I've* never found it lacking in any respect. You should also try the Filterset.G extension as a companion to Adblock. Why use two separate ad blockers when one is enough? -clueless

Re:Combating the dreaded Flash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095163)

The best thing about flashblock, is that because it blocks all flash, it blocks those little hidden flash elements they put on pages to make popup windows. When most people complain about "popups" with mozilla, they're really just being bitten by flash's stupid ability to make popup windows irrespective of your mozilla preferences.

Sure, there's an obscure mozilla setting to disable this, but it's not enabled by default. Why? Use flashblock and nuke them all, click to run the ones you want, whitelist the sites you like.

Use NoScript instead of FlashBlock + Adblock (1)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095175)

Ever since I started running with NoScript enabled, I haven't needed either FlashBlock or Adblock. NoScript has a similar "click to run" method for handling flash, and it appears that most annoying ads are launched via javascript.

Re:Combating the dreaded Flash (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095330)

I wish FlashBlock would add a menu item to loaded Flash animations letting me remove them. THAT would make it perfect.

NEWS: DUKE NUKE'M COMES OUT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15094958)

Ok now that I've got your attention: does anyone have ANY information about when it comes out? Tnx

Exelent use of all possibilities Firefox has to of (1)

xavdeman (946931) | more than 8 years ago | (#15094965)

Nice layout, Web2adelic baby!

TFA (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15095043)

Plug-ins - General

Forecastfox [mozdev.org] - Get international weather forecasts from AccuWeather.com, and display it in any toolbar or status bar with this highly customizable and unobtrusive extension.

FlashGot [flashgot.net] - Download one link, selected links or all the links of a page at the maximum speed with a single click, using the most popular external download managers for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux and FreeBSD (dozens currently supported products, see http://www.flashgot.net/ [flashgot.net] for details). FlashGot offers also a Build Gallery functionality which helps to synthesize full media galleries in one page, from serial contents previously scattered on several pages, for easy and fast download all.

Adblock [mozdev.org] - One of the best plug-ins ever written. Adblack allows you to block elements of a web page, images, flash, i-frames, etc This will help make pages load faster and with zero ads!

Adblock is a content filtering plug-in for the Mozilla and Firebird browsers. It is both more robust and more precise than the built-in image blocker.

Adblock allows the user to specify filters, which remove unwanted content based on the source-address. If this sounds complicated, dont worry: its not.

Just add a few filters. Every time a webpage loads, Adblock will intercept and disable the elements matching your filters. See?- nothing to it.

Adblock Filterset.G Updater [pierceive.com] - This is a companion extension to Adblock and should be used in conjunction with it. This extension automatically downloads the latest version of Filterset.G every 4-7 days. Filterset.G is an excellent set of filters maintained by G for Adblock that blocks most ads on the internet. In addition, this extension allows you to define your own set of filters that you can add along with Filterset.G during an update.

Tabbrowser Preferences [216.55.161.203] - This extension provides a comprehensive UI for changing a number of the hidden tabbed browsing preferences in Firefox. It also provides the ability to control how internal and external links are opened in the browser and how the browser will react when links are sent to it.

IE Tab [mozdev.org] - IE Tab - an extension from Taiwan, features: Embedding Internet Explorer in tabs of Mozilla/Firefox. Note, this will also allow you to run Windows Update also.

Wizz RSS News Reader [wizzcomputers.com] - News is the new frontier for the web. With the up-and-coming rss and atom technologies, news is becoming easier to read and more accessible, but Firefoxs livebookmarks are rather lacking when it comes to features.

Wizz RSS News Reader is the solution. Over the past year, its evolved into a mature feed aggregator. Although the UI lacks polish, it includes a number of powerful features, such as the watch list, OPML support, and the ability to subscribe to podcasts. The documentation is extensive and the author maintains support forums, so its easy to get help too :)

Viamatic foXpose [mozilla.org] - The Viamatic foXpose plugin is a tiny little extension that lets you view all your tabs inside a browser window.

Duplicate Tab [mozdev.org] - Duplicate Tab allows you to clone a tab along with its history.

SessionSaver [mozilla.org] - SessionSaver restores your browser -exactly- as you left it, every startup, every time. Not even a crash will phase it. Windows, tabs, even things you were typing theyre all saved. Use the menu to add + remove sessions; right, shift, or middle-clicking will delete. Simple mode for peace of mind, or Expert mode for advanced flexibility.

PDF Download [rabotat.org] - Allows to choose if you want to view a PDF file inside the browser (as PDF or HTML), if you want to view it outside Firefox with your default or custom PDF reader, or if you want to download it!

Colorful Tabs [geocities.com] - The most beautiful yet the simplest add-on that makes a lot of sense. Colors every tab in a different color and makes them easy to distinguish while beautifying the overall appeal of the interface. An essential.

Auto Copy [mozdev.org] - Select text and its automatically copied to the clipboard. Like Trillian or mIrc

ChatZilla [hacksrus.com] - ChatZilla is a cross platform messaging client that combines Internet Relay Chat (IRC) with existing web standards like JavaScript, HTML, and CSS.

Gmail Notifier [mozilla.org] - A good replacement for Googles notifier, this extension adds a status bar item showing if you have new email. You can configure the time between checks for new email.

Download Statusbar [mozdev.org] - View and manage downloads from a tidy statusbar - without the download window getting in the way of your web browsing.

Separe [lilik.it] - Help separate tabs with a nice bright yellow spacer tab.

Plug-ins - Web Design

Google Pagerank [tapouillo.com] - Display the google pagerank in your browsers status bar.

EditCSS [mozdev.org] - An easy way for web developers to edit and modify currently loaded stylesheets.

FireBug [joehewitt.com] - FireBug is a new tool for Firefox that aids with debugging Javascript, DHTML, and Ajax. It is like a combination of the Javascript Console, DOM Inspector, and a command line Javascript interpreter.

MeasureIt [kevinfreitas.net] - Draw a ruler across any webpage to check the width, height, or alignment of page elements in pixels.

NoScript [noscript.net] - NoScript provides extra protection for your Mozilla/Firefox [mozilla.org] or Flock [flock.com] browser: this extension allows JavaScript and Java execution only for trusted domains of your choice (e.g. your home-banking web site).

Clear Cache Button [mozilla.org] - Adds a clear cache toolbar button. After installing the extension, find the clear cache button in the toolbar customization panel.

Cookie Crumbler [mozilla.org] - Are you a developer who has to clear cookies from certain domains over and over again for testing purposes? Clearing all cookies is fast but you lose ones you may not want to. Scrolling through Firefoxs cookie manager takes too long when youre doing it 50 times a day. This extension allows you to configure a list of domains and cookie names that you can then delete with the click of a button located on your status bar. ColorZilla [iosart.com] -

With ColorZilla you can get a color reading from any point in your browser, quickly adjust this color and paste it into another program. You can Zoom the page you are viewing and measure distances between any two points on the page. The built-in palette browser allows choosing colors from pre-defined color sets and saving the most used colors in custom palettes. DOM spying features allow getting various information about DOM elements quickly and easily. And theres more

LiveHTTPHeaders [mozdev.org] - View HTTP headers during load.

User Agent Switcher [chrispederick.com] - The User Agent Switcher extension adds a menu and a toolbar button to switch the user agent of the browser.

Aardvark [karmatics.com] - As you glide the mouse over the page , you will see a red rectangle framing each element under the cursor. You will also see a little yellow caption showing the HTML element type and its class or id if they exist.

Web Developer [chrispederick.com] - The Web Developer extension adds a menu and a toolbar to the browser with various web developer tools.

Plug-ins to Avoid

FasterFox [mozdev.org] - Over the last few months the amount of visitors using Mozilla Firefox has grown to about 25%. The amount of bandwidth being used has also increased a large amount. Part of the reason behind this is that many Firefox users use an extension called "Fasterfox". This extension "pre-fetches" links on a page so that if the user were to click on a link it would load much faster because its already been downloaded. This may be more convenient for viewer, but is a major problem for many webmasters who are low on bandwidth. Since Fasterfox constantly requests new files, it can cause many servers to overload much faster than if a person viewing the same content without Fasterfox were to view it.

How to block [skattertech.com] FasterFox for webmasters who dont want to be slashdotted [wikipedia.org] .

Text To Add To "robots.txt":

  1. User-agent: Fasterfox
  2. Disallow: /

Themes

From my experience themes are a must. The stock theme is so boring. I am odd and I have my personal favorites so I will leave the theme hunting to your imagination.

Hacks

One of the cool things about Firefox is that the developers encourage customization. Head over to the official Firefox Tips & Tricks [mozilla.org] page to see more nifty hacks.

Search Bar Width [mozilla.org] - The Search Bar is just too darn small to type anything. Now you can make it as big as you want.

about:config Hacks

Many user preferences set through the Firefox GUI and extensions along with others normally unseen can by edited by simply typing "about:config" in the url bar and filtering through the various settings.

Making it Faster - Lets change some hidden options to make it faster
In the address bar type: "about:config".

  • Find network.http.pipelining and double click on it so it = true
  • Find network.http.pipelining.maxrequests double click on it and change it from 4 to 100

Disable IPv6 - Firefox on some Linux distros has issues with Google servers because of difficulties with the IPv6 protocol, an easy way to deal with this is to go into about:config and change the network.dns.disableIPv6 setting to true.

Useful Keyboard Shortcuts (for Windows and Linux)

  • Open new window: Ctrl + N
  • Open new tab: Ctrl + T
  • Close window: Alt + F4
  • Close tab: Ctrl + F4
  • Switch focus to address bar: Ctrl + L
  • Open link: Enter
  • Open link in new window: Shift + Enter
  • Open link in new tab: Ctrl + Enter
  • Go back: Backspace / Alt + Left Arrow
  • Go forward: Shift + Backspace / Alt + Right Arrow
  • Reload: Ctrl + R
  • Go to home page: Alt + Home
  • Go to next tab: Ctrl + Tab
  • Go to previous tab: Ctrl + Shift + Tab
  • Find in this page: Ctrl + F
  • Find again: F3
  • View page source: Ctrl + U
  • Decrease text size: Ctrl + -
  • Increase text side: Ctrl + +
  • Restore text size: Ctrl + 0
  • Save page as: Ctrl + S
  • Save link target as: Alt + Enter
  • Stop: Esc
  • Clear private data: Ctrl + Shift + Delete
  • DOM Inspector: Ctrl + Shift + I
Portable Firefox

Portable Firefox [portableapps.com] is a fast, full-featured web browser thats easy to use. It has all the same great features as regular Firefox including popup-blocking, tabbed-browsing, integrated search, improved privacy features, automatic updating and more. Plus, it leaves no personal information behind on the machine you run it on, so you can take your favorite browser along with all your favorite bookmarks and extensions with you wherever you go.

Firefox Related Links

Re:TFA (2, Informative)

Glonoinha (587375) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095347)

With the ability to manage / monitor more than one GMail account at the same time, I use GMail Manager instead of GMail Notifer.

That said, changing the network.http.pipelining to true and network.http.pipelining.maxrequests to 100 made an AMAZING difference in page render speeds.
Thanks.

Horrible list of extensions. (2, Informative)

ProfanityHead (198878) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095155)

No Tab Mix Plus?

I've replaced 3 other extensions including Tabbrowser Preferences with this and I will never turn back.

http://tmp.garyr.net/ [garyr.net]

Oh Come On! (2, Insightful)

acid_zebra (552109) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095187)

Aside from the fact that the server handling that page is obviously ill-equipped to handle any load the list itself starts out with "Forecastfox". Yay. Recommended only for those who want their browser decked out like a walking talking christmas tree complete with blinkenlights. Don't forget to complain about memory use on the forums later.

Me, I like to keep it light:

Adblock plus, Bugmenot, Downthemall, Sessionsaver, Greasemonkey, Tabmixplus.

Optionally Aardvark, Del.icio.us, enhanced history manager, and IEtab.

Plug-ins to Avoid unfairly targets fasterfox (2, Interesting)

bobbutts (927504) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095188)

Plug-ins to Avoid FasterFox [mozdev.org] - Over the last few months the amount of visitors using Mozilla Firefox has grown to about 25%. The amount of bandwidth being used has also increased a large amount. Part of the reason behind this is that many Firefox users use an extension called "Fasterfox". This extension "pre-fetches" links on a page so that if the user were to click on a link it would load much faster because its already been downloaded. This may be more convenient for viewer, but is a major problem for many webmasters who are low on bandwidth. Since Fasterfox constantly requests new files, it can cause many servers to overload much faster than if a person viewing the same content without Fasterfox were to view it.

Fasterfox does some nice things and IMO belongs on the list of good extensions..
As far as the author's claim.. In the fasterfox config there is a tab for "Enhanced Prefetching" which comes disabled by default and has the following warning:
This setting should be used with care
Visit the FAQ page at http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org] for more information.
That page has some interesting answers on prefetching and seems to show that fasterfox is playing by the rules. I don't think the author has shown much expertise in the extensions field. Also if he's upset at fasterfox for bandwidth wait until he gets the bill from this slashdotting :)

Firefox is the most unstable program in common use (-1, Troll)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095221)

Note 5 things:

1) There is complete agreement from Firefox developers that Firefox often becomes unstable due to extensions [google.com] .

2) There are numerous pages [google.com] devoted to telling users hours of highly technical things they can do when Firefix is unstable.

3) Firefox is the most unstable program in common use [slashdot.org] .

4) Anyone who has made any negative comment above in this story (as of 2006-04-09, 10:08 PST) has been modded down.

5) Firefox developers become angry and disrespectful when people try to report instability and CPU hogging to Firefox Bugzilla.

The Firefox CPU hogging bug makes a computer unusable until all Firefox windows and tabs are closed. Basically, Firefox uses first maybe 10%, then maybe 20% of the CPU, and, as Firefox windows and tabs are opened and closed, continues taking more of the CPU time until Firefox is closed. This CPU usage is with NO Firefox activity, or any activity of any program.

This bug is more than 3 years old. It is extremely difficult to characterize; no one has succeeded yet. Here are some clues:

Somehow Thunderbird and Mozilla share this bug. Sometimes when Firefox is taking say, 94% of the CPU, and Firefox is closed completely, Thunderbird or Mozilla will begin using a lot of CPU time. Very weird, but it often happens.

Firefox 1.5.0.1 is much worse than 1.5, which is worse than earlier versions. This suggests that there is some resource in Firefox that is being more overused as features are added.

The CPU hogging bug continues unchanged when Firefox 1.5.0.1 is installed with a clean profile and no extensions.

Too many mouse clicks too closely spaced will often increase Firefox's CPU usage, or sometimes cause it to crash.

--
Some of those who believe they are superior are merely angry.

Re:Firefox is the most unstable program in common (2, Interesting)

jfengel (409917) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095344)

I was kind of curious about your link titled "Firefox is the most unstable program in common use." Perhaps it was some sort of study; I was interested in its methodology.

But no, it's a link to another posting by you. You cite all sorts of interesting bugs in Firefox, which are bad and wrong, but don't add up to justifying your statement that it's the "most unstable". Clearly many users find it "stable enough", especially at the price ($0), and more usable than the leading competitor (i.e. IE).

By the time I got to posting this you'd already been modded "offtopic", which isn't entirely right: the article is about FF extensions, and you're validly pointing out that extensions make FF even more unstable. You devote a lot of space to a memory bug which does need to be fixed, but debugging details aren't relevant in this forum. Nor is your repeated assertion that FF users are some sort of cult who are intent on covering up the bugs by modding you down.

So you're gonna get modded down, and you're probably going to take that as more proof of your persecution. I wanted to take the time to suggest that if you struck a more reasonable tone in your arguments, focusing more on the bugs and their effects than the ad hominem attacks on FF developers and users, then you might find a more tolerant audience.

compatibilty issues (1)

giriz (966704) | more than 8 years ago | (#15095234)

I have been using Opera and firefox. Firefox's best concept is extensions. But since there were extensions compatibilty issues when upgrading from 1.0.x (i guess) to 1.5, i had to dump firefox because i screwed up my installation which had a LOT of extensions. my bad. Now that Opera 9 has widgets, its almost equivalent to having extensions. Plus Opera already has lot of standard features which are available as firefox extensions. Forecastfox was my favourite in firefox but now its available as a Opera widget.
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