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I, Woz

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the wozinator dept.

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theodp writes "In a Q&A session, Steve Wozniak discusses his forthcoming autobiography, how HP not only passed on his Apple design but also nixed his pleas to work on an HP computer, and the perks of being an Apple co-founder - free 65W AC adapters!"

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Perks (5, Funny)

wirah (707347) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104599)

Perks like... being stinking rich?

Re:Perks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104651)

Actually, the stinking does not come from being rich.

It stems from wiggling a finger in the other Steve's anus all day long.

Actually Woz was the more important Steve ... (3, Insightful)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104762)

Actually Woz was the more important Steve, the one people liked, the engineer rather than the salesman, the one who was not under the delusion that he could run a corporation, the one who decided not to make employees suffer under decades of on-the-job training while he developed the skills, the one who decided to do something more important, the one who was always welcome at Apple, the one person "at" Apple who doesn't need to care what Jobs thinks ...

I disagree (4, Insightful)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104920)

Woz, was and is a brilliant engineer. But there are hundreds like him. But there aren't many like Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs IS Apple. Look what they did without him. 12 years of absolutely nothing. Steve Jobs launched the Macintosh. Then he started NeXT which was a decade ahead of its time. Then he brought Apple back from near extinction. Can you think of another corporation that can yield such influence over an industry while having less than 10% market share? Oh, and somewhere in his spare time, he bought a little animation studio and turned it into a force.

Re:I disagree (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104952)

But there aren't many like Steve Jobs.

The world is full of bullshit talking, superficial assholes.

And he did not own Pixar, he was its CEO. But I guess such small details are lost on a fanboi like you.

Re:I disagree (0)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104994)

He was majority stockholder. He initiated the buy from George Lucas. Not a fanboi, just informed.

Re:I disagree (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105035)

Hell, I can't stand Jobs and even I know that the Pixar deal will be enough to make him dirty filthy stinking rich as the largest single stockholder in Disney.

LK

Jobs is like General MacArthur, "I" vs "We" ... (5, Interesting)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105041)

Woz, was and is a brilliant engineer. But there are hundreds like him. But there aren't many like Steve Jobs.

I'm sorry but you have that backwards. Exceptional engineers are far less common than exceptional saleman.

Steve Jobs IS Apple. Look what they did without him. 12 years of absolutely nothing. Steve Jobs launched the Macintosh.

Jobs is the PR face of Apple and the Mac. The brilliant innovation started at Xerox and continued with the very talented engineers at Apple. Jobs is merely a good saleman who recognized a good thing when he saw it at Xerox. Like Woz, the Xerox and Apple engineers who deserve the real credit are overshadows by the PR face.

Then he started NeXT which was a decade ahead of its time.

Actually in business school they study NeXT as an example of how to royally f' up.

Then he brought Apple back from near extinction. Can you think of another corporation that can yield such influence over an industry while having less than 10% market share?

Actually what saved Apple were the big developers say "NO" to Jobs and forcing Jobs to put backwards compatibility into Mac OS X. Jobs return and the surrounding PR machine was like the Microsoft cash investment, it was reassuring, it bought the Apple engineers some more time.

Oh, and somewhere in his spare time, he bought a little animation studio and turned it into a force.

Again salesmanship, again a PR face overshadowing the real talent, ... Also note in this is an industry where salesmanship has a pretty heavy influence.

Jobs is like World War II's General MacArthur. "I" rather than "We", camera crew filming his wading ashore and dominating the newsreels, ... Of course Jobs differs from MacArthur in that Jobs is not a genius.

Re:I disagree (0, Troll)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105075)

I have know several execs who are just like Jobs in that they lie and steal from their best friends and workers.

Don't forget the times that Jobs lied to Woz about how much their got paid...

Re:Actually Woz was the more important Steve ... (4, Interesting)

hey! (33014) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104964)

the one who was not under the delusion that he could run a corporation

Um, we're being ironic here, right?

Woz and Jobs are definitely yin and yang, but they do have one thing in common: they know what's important to them. And that gives them a kind of power that verges on the spiritual. They don't, like most of us, blunder through the life taking the path of least resistance and rationizing their decisions after the fact. They have "purpose driven lives".

As to who is happiest of the two Steves, I'd have to say that while Jobs probably feels the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat more intensely, I'd much rather be Woz, because he seems to be the kind of person who can find find satisfaction in each day's work. The thing that makes Jobs a bit creepy is that if you ever had his attention, you'd always wonder if it was because he had a use for you in some agenda. Woz is the kind of guy who just wants to do what he's good at, like a Shaker furniture maker. Because his motivations are simpler, you'd naturally feel more comfortable with him.

Re:Actually Woz was the more important Steve ... (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105066)

They don't, like most of us, blunder through the life taking the path of least resistance and rationizing their decisions after the fact.

I agree with a lot of what you say, but honestly, what is this: "I wanted to work on a computer at my company and they turned me down. When you think about it, every time they turned me down, it was fortunate for the world and it was fortunate for myself," if not rationalizing after the fact?

Re:Actually Woz was the more important Steve ... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15105093)

One thing that really impressed me about Woz was that he answered an email I sent, unsolicited, and sent more than a cursory form mail response. He had jjust appeared on The Screen Savers a couple years ago and I thought, "waht the hell, I'll drop him an email and see what happens..." I just simply thanked him for his work and told of a couple ways that it had positively impacted my life and that I was appreciative. He responded with a very long email and related a couple anecdotes and was very open and witty. Seems like a genuinely good guy.

lol (-1, Offtopic)

Findeton (818988) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104603)

1st

Woz and Jobs (4, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104606)

The combination of Woz and Jobs is exactly like Microsoft. You've got technical prowess underlying a massive bullshit machine. And beards and geeky glasses all around.

Re:Woz and Jobs (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104637)

I'm not much of a Microsoft fan, and I wonder: does Bill Gates have the same status amongst MS fans as Steve Jobs has amongst Apple fans? Steve may be a massive bullshit machine, but no one can deny he has a near god-like status amongst Apple fans.

Re:Woz and Jobs (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104685)

Both Gates & Jobs are grand bullshit artists, but I don't think Gates has the personality to achieve the same status as Jobs has. I suspect that if he did, the perception of Microsoft wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is now. The other interesting thing is that Jobs started out with questions like "How can I change the world?" while Gates' was "How can I make a lot of money?" Jobs & Gates might have both ended up at the same point, with the bank balances to prove it, but Jobs seems to have had a lot more fun getting there. Gates has been more single minded, but doesn't seem to have the love for his work that Jobs does.

I'd better disclaim myself: I am not an Apple or Microsoft share holder, and I've never owned a Mac or any other Apple product.

Re:Woz and Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104758)

I suspect that if he did, the perception of Microsoft wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is now

If Apple was the size of Microsoft, and had the power of Micsrosoft Steve Jobs wouldn't be regarded as a very nice person anymore. The grip he tries to have on the market far exceeds anything Microsoft has ever done. Steeve don't care if he has 10% or 90% of a market as long as he have his share in a firm tight hold. If Steeve Jobs was head of Microsoft he would start manufacturing own computers and just kill off Dell in a couple of years.

Actually Woz has the god-like status ... (3, Funny)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104779)

Actually Woz has the god-like status, Jobs is more like the delusional emporer ...

Re:Actually Woz has the god-like status ... (1)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104812)

Jobs is more like the delusional emporer ...
We must fight the empore!

Re:Actually Woz has the god-like status ... (1)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104879)

Jobs is more like the delusional emporer ..."

We must fight the empore!


Won't work. He'll just toss some free bread, errr - I mean free iPods, into the crowd and they will turn and cheer and bow. You'll just get yourself crucified along the Infinite Loop.

Re:Woz and Jobs (4, Insightful)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104660)

With only two differences

1) Paul Allen doesn't hold a technical candle to Woz
2) Bill Gates doesn't hold a visionary candle to Jobs

Without Jobs there would be no Apple, Woz would have stuck at HP and written printer drivers.

Re:Woz and Jobs (5, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104720)

Without Jobs there would be no Apple, Woz would have stuck at HP and written printer drivers.

Even writing printer drivers can lead to great things. After all, it was a printer problem that spurred Richard Stallman [stallman.org] towards development of GNU, which of course became the foundation for the later flourishing of Free Software and the open source development model. (Sam William's biography Free as in Freedom [amazon.com] published by O'Reilly gives the whole story of the printer problem.) You don't need to hook up with a charismatic individual with a reality distortion field to change the world. If a controversial eccentric like Stallman can do great things from a hermit-like AI lab, then Woz would have had opportunities even without Jobs.

Re:Woz and Jobs (1)

jeremywc (865836) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104816)

I would argue that the Apple I & II made a larger impact on the computing world than emacs. :P

Re:Woz + Jobs, RMS + MIA? (2, Funny)

dwandy (907337) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104857)

If a controversial eccentric like Stallman can do great things from a hermit-like AI lab, then Woz would have had opportunities even without Jobs.
The question for me isn't "has RMS done a lot for free as in freedom?" but rather, "how much more could RMS have done as the thinker behind someone charismatic?

I do wonder how many people see RMS like a train-wreck: sure, they can't help but to look, but it doesn't change their lives/opinions/etc.

Re:Woz and Jobs (5, Funny)

Farmer Tim (530755) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104724)

Without Jobs there would be no Apple, Woz would have stuck at HP and written printer drivers.

So that explains why HP's printer drivers suck like a starving lamprey. But surely they could have found at least one other decent software engineer in the last 30 years...

Re:Woz and Jobs (2, Insightful)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104859)

Without Jobs there would be no Apple,


That's like saying "without your left leg, you couldn't walk".

Re:Woz and Jobs (1)

LordOfTheNoobs (949080) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104914)

And I was thinking it was more like `brilliance is useless without the motivation to utilize it'

Re:Woz and Jobs (2, Interesting)

386spart (725207) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104878)

2) Bill Gates doesn't hold a visionary candle to Jobs

I don't think that's true really, they just had different visions. Bills vision from a while back has been "a computer on every desk and in every home" and that has certainly happened, and almost all of those computers are running Windows.

Jobs and Gates are different kinds of geniuses, but I agree that they are probably both much more rare than the Wozniak kind of genius. There are a lot of techies so skilled at something it feels like they can control it with their minds, but who - like Woz apparently - think about getting a job in a small room in a corporate concrete bunker rather than changing the world.

Re:Woz and Jobs (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104989)

Jobs and Gates had different visions. Jobs wanted to transform the world and Gates wanted to be rich enough so women would talk to him.

But I kid the richest man in the world.

Both had that rare combination of a certain amount of technical skill, a type A personality (A+ is more like it) and a whole lotta luck.

Re:Woz and Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104666)

Well, whatever Jobs knowledge is...

He created the specs for the Apple ][ case, without that the Apple ][ would have been as useful and popular as the IMSAI or other machines from the same time-period.

He had the vision of a ready made, turn on the power computer, when everybody else was selling do it yourself kits...

With the Mac he wanted to extend that to the software, not only the hardware... Well, he was ahead of time...

Re:Woz and Jobs (1)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104844)

He created the specs for the Apple ][ case, without that the Apple ][ would have been as useful and popular as the IMSAI or other machines from the same time-period.

The Apple 1 was a kit. Moving to a non-kit was a fairly conventional next step. The case was a fairly paltry design compared to what went inside, ill-positioned keyboard, poorly implemented removable lid (easily worn if open too much), ... Sorry, I used Apple II, II+, and //e models for many years, there was nothing special about the case in it's day. It is merely nostalgic today looking back at it.

With the Mac he wanted to extend that to the software, not only the hardware... Well, he was ahead of time...

Xerox was ahead of its time. Steve was merely a good salesman that recognized something good when he saw it. Also the real design of the Mac came from the very talented engineers working at Apple, who like Woz, are overshadowed by the public face of a saleman.

All that said, a salesman is very useful. A company with a bunch of brilliant engineers but without a great salesman is likely to be a failure or a buyout target. But let's try not to confuse the hype machine with history.

Re:Woz and Jobs (2, Interesting)

Weedlekin (836313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105001)

"Xerox was ahead of its time."

It was the pure R&D outfit that Xerox funded which was ahead of its time, not Xerox itself.

"Steve was merely a good salesman that recognized something good when he saw it"

Which was more than Xerox did, hence the fact that more than one of the computer visionaries at PARC left to work for Apple.

Clarus, the Apple dog-cow (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104827)

It's a well known fact that Apple, since its inception, has been a haven for "free thinkers" and "progressive thought," heralded by none other than famous acid-tripping Steve Jobs and his hippy buddies from California. It was on one of the famous beach parties, notorious for getting out of hand, that Clarus was born.

It was a balmy night in August 1983 that Jobs held yet another beach party, this one with a special theme: who could come up with a mascot for the Mac development team? Of course, the Apple II team was there and tensions, as always, were high. That didn't deter the Mac team from bringing their "pet," Clara, a cow they'd been raising on the Apple campus since birth.

Clara was birthed by the Mac team when they'd held a party on the Apple campus and had hired a bull-breeder as entertainment. All night long, the bull-breeder studded Hercules, his prize bull, with an assortment of cows. As the festivities continued throughout the night, a strange moaning was coming from one of the trailers. One of the cows he'd brought with him was, unbeknownst to the bull-breeder, pregnant! The Mac development team, being the resourceful hackers they were, helped give birth to the calf, the mother losing its life in the process. The bull-breeder was so taken by the Mac dev team's efforts he let them keep the cow, which they named Clara.

Now, at the August 1983 beach party, the Mac team lobbied for Jobs to adopt Clara as the development mascot of the Macintosh. The Apple II team, spurned and bitter because of dwindling sales and neglect at the hand of Jobs, had brought their own mascot-- Cletus, a vicious Rotweiler they'd bought from a ruddy-faced street man in the ghetto of Cupertino for $25. Cletus was a frothing, flea-and-mange ridden terror that barked at the least provocation. The Apple II team fed it raw goat meat and corrupted 5.25 floppies to make it mean. They also kicked it and made sure its chain was too tight at all time. Here at the party was their chance for revenge at Jobs and his favorite Mac development team.

As the night wore on, both the Apple II and Mac teams got drunker and drunker before Jobs called for a company vote on the mascot. What met the company's faces was something none of them could have imagined, however.

In their drunken, stoned stupor, the embittered Apple II team had snuck into Clara's trailer and cut the rear end of off Clara! Drugging her with ether to staunch her cries, they had used an electric chainsaw, cut her back legs and rectum cleanly off, and taken them to the bonfire to cook and eat. They'd even fed some to the drunk Mac dev team! After they'd done this, they forced Cletus into the gaping hole in Clara's rear end. Gnawing away at his first real meal in months, Cletus lodged himself in Clara's colon and couldn't break free. So when the Mac dev team opened Clara's trailer and led their pet down the ramp, they were met with a bloody, gut-strewn mess and a weird, unnatural animal call of "moof!"

The entire company was sickened by this and soon the sand was dotted with puddles of vomit. Cries of "moof, moof!" filled the air as the joined dog-cow trundled terribly along the beach, seizuring with each step, vomiting an icky mass of hair and blood, with a glazed look in its cow eyes. With a final shudder, the dog-cow fell and died, and the partygoers surrounded the putrid mess of bovine/canine flesh. Of course, it didn't take long for the Mac dev team to discover the Apple II team's treachery and a bloody brawl ensued over the death of Clara. By the end of the night, the cow, the dog, and the Apple II team were simple piles of broken, bloody bones.

In light of the events that night, Jobs had no other choice to commemorate the tragic events that had unfurled and therefore made Apple's development mascot the dog-cow, "Clarus," a merging of the two animals names-- Cletus and Clara.

And that, for those who didn't know, is the origin of Clarus the dog-cow. Every time you click on a Mac OS Easter-egg that utters "moof," you can look back to the terrible events that August, 1983 night at the Apple beach party that brought you the Clarus, the Apple dog-cow.

Limitations of autobiographies (4, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104609)

It'll be nice to get an autobiography from Woz, but the problem with many autobiographies is that they show you just one side of a person, and in the tech industry that can be dull. I think that gossipy histories like Apple Confidental 2.0 [amazon.com] are superior, as they present a whole range of viewpoints and better show a person in context with other historical actors.

Still, I'm curious if Woz will write anything about the challenges he faced at early Apple from rude coworkers. He wasn't exactly treated fairly by Jobs and the company in its fledgling days, and a personal perspective would be interesting.

Re:Limitations of autobiographies (4, Insightful)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104625)

He wasn't exactly treated fairly by Jobs and the company in its fledgling days

That is the long standing rumour. As you say, it'll be interesting to see if this is actually the case. Hopefully he'll discuss whether his treatment (good or bad) was warranted in the context of trying to set up a big corporation. It is always advisable to treat people decently, but there are times when circumstance dictate ruthlessness.

I'm looking forward to reading Woz's take on it all.

Re:Limitations of autobiographies (2, Funny)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104829)

We can probably be sure Woz will be unfairly treated by Steve after releasing this book. Woz will give out some unfavorable info on Jobs like the color of his underwear. Steve will regard this as a "trade secret" and sue the pants of Woz.

Re:Limitations of autobiographies (2, Funny)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104860)

And then we'll see the colour of Woz' underwear :D

Re:Limitations of autobiographies (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104926)

Last week's This Week in Tech podcast had about 5 or 6 people from the early Apple days doing a 30th anniversary episode, and Woz was among them (actually, Leo's had Woz on 4 or 5 TWiTs now). Anyhow, Leo asked him about this very thing. Woz responded that while he and Steve did have their occasional run-ins, Jobs seemed to have a great respect for Woz and his talents and never really flew off the handle towards him.

Re:Limitations of autobiographies (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104695)

"He wasn't exactly treated fairly by Jobs and the company in its fledgling days"

Oh, I dunno. I think he Woz.

Parent is amazon aff spammer (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104754)

Look at posting history, mod accordingly.

Re:Limitations of autobiographies (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104777)

Still, if you are a raving queer like most slashdotters then you'll enjoy the parts of the autobio which describe things such as Wozniak's gimp suit collection, addiction to Jobs' thin erect penis and all night developer gang-bangs.

Thats right MACfags, its all in there...

From the article (5, Funny)

Wellington Grey (942717) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104614)

I was in Boston once. I needed two AC adapters. I ran into this new Apple store. I went up to the counter, "I'd like two 65-watt AC adapters." I didn't say anything about who I was. And they bring them out. I say, "How much?" They say, "We are expensing it." I said, "Yeah, but how do I pay for it?" They said, "No, no, no -- we are allowed to give gifts to special people."

Man oh man, I'd love to know the criterion to get on that list.

-Grey [wellingtongrey.net]

Re:From the article (1)

quokkapox (847798) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104656)

Try being a regular 50-year old bearded guy who likes wearing a black turtleneck and jeans. I wasn't into Apple until some hippy college kid tried to get me to listen to what he was playing on this newfangled "iPod" thing. I had to smack him down with my WinCE PDA. Anyway, it's not a list you want to be on.

Re:From the article (1)

s0l3d4d (932623) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104686)

If you badge number has only 1 digit in it, that's normally good enough for getting to that list. ;-)

Step 1: Invent the Apple I (4, Funny)

wiredog (43288) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104691)

Step 2: Be Woz.

Re:Step 1: Invent the Apple I (0)

VolciMaster (821873) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104749)

Step 3: Profit?!?!

Re:Step 1: Invent the Apple I (0)

dmarcoot (96402) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104971)

Step 3: Start The Us concert. No profit!!

Re:Step 1: Invent the Apple I (5, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105039)

Step 3: Hook up with a meglomaniacal business shark with enough charisma to attract a cult following.

-Eric

Re:From the article (1)

lxdbxr (655786) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104693)

I was in Boston once. I needed two AC adapters. I ran into this new Apple store. I went up to the counter, "I'd like two 65-watt AC adapters." I didn't say anything about who I was.
Obviously being the Wonderful Wizard of Woz does not protect you from getting crappy PowerBook adapters in the first place (on my third at the moment); or maybe he needed some extra ones for some bizarro project?

Re:From the article (1)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104742)

3rd here - 5th if you count the twice in a row that I tried reconditioned ones from eBay. They lasted around 4 months each, by the way, versus about a year for brand new ones.

Funny how the man who can probably afford the £65 (100 USD) each one costs doesn't have to.

Re:From the article (1)

ptomblin (1378) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104876)

My first one (for my 15" TiBook) and my step-daughter's first one (for her 14" iBook) both had the same flaw (no strain relief where cords go into hard components) and both failed on the same week after about 10 months. Both of our free replacements have strain relief and both have lasted 3+ years. I since upgraded to a newer 17" AlBook and bought a used adaptor from a friend, so I have three adapters, which means I can leave one in my office, one in the TV room and one in the laptop bag.

The AlBook is nearly a year old and the battery life now sucks (barely get an hour and half out of it), so if I could I'd sprinkle adaptors all over the house and never use it unplugged.

Re:From the article (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104997)

The power adaptor connection on anything prior to the MacBook is a particularly poor design. A small amount of sheer force (such as putting the machine down plugged in on an uneven surface where the power lead is touching the ground) will cause it to be permanently deformed. At this point, the connection becomes intermittent, and it is a lot of effort to bend it back into the correct shape.

Re:From the article (5, Interesting)

kklein (900361) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104882)

I used to do tech support for Apple (outsourced). The official policy (from Apple) was "If Woz calls, give him whatever he wants and don't ask any questions." And one day I got him on the phone, he read me a list of SNs for out-of-warranty PowerBooks he needed repaired (he does something with PBs and disabled kids--or at least did in 1995), and I sent him the appropriate number of Airborne Express boxes for them to be pulled into NY for repair. It was one of the coolest calls I handled, cooler than when Howard Stern called for his friend who couldn't speak English. Both guys, BTW, were really really nice.

A not An (-1, Troll)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104636)

It's "A haitch-pee copmputer", not "An haitch-pee computer".

copmputer (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104643)

Nobody says "copmputer" anymore...

Maybe in retard land (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104644)

UK, perhaps?

Re:Maybe in retard land (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104809)

Parent post obviously meant "USA", mistakes do happen :)

Re:Maybe in retard land (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104821)

No, because you'd never catch anyone from the USA pronouncing it that way. Interestingly enough, that's how many people in the UK pronounce it. From this, we can safely assume that many people in the UK are retarded.

Re:A not An (2, Funny)

NoName Studios (917186) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104647)

Yeah, the summary totally had me fooled as well. How could they screw up spelling copmputer?

Re:A not An (1)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104652)

It's "A haitch-pee copmputer", not "An haitch-pee computer".
Man, what are you up to? I might as well go for "An ageing commuter".

Re:A not An (1, Offtopic)

trolleymusic (938183) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104665)

H is the eighth letter of the Latin alphabet. Its name in English is aitch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H [wikipedia.org]

Re:A not An (1, Informative)

The Grassy Knoll (112931) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104669)

Actually, it's "An aitch-pee computer", not "An haitch-pee computer". See the wikipedia [wikipedia.org] . What are they teaching in schools nowadays? .

Re:A not An (1)

The Grassy Knoll (112931) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104680)

Or, better, this link [wikipedia.org] ...

Re:A not An (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104783)

"Actually, it's "An aitch-pee computer", not "An haitch-pee computer". See the wikipedia. What are they teaching in schools nowadays? ."

The h is silent!!

Re:A not An (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104848)

Don't worry, we all hait chpee computers, too.

Re:A not An (1, Offtopic)

ettlz (639203) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104677)

God damn it! The correct spelling and pronunciation is "aitch"! A-I-T-C-H, see? One "h"!

Re:A not An (1)

SkyDude (919251) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104888)

"The gun is good. The penis is evil. Go forth... and kill!"


Yes, but many a penis shoots only blanks.

Re:A not An (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104938)

Yes, but many a penis shoots only blanks.
Well then we won't have to worry about poisoning the Earth with a plague of men, as it once was.

Re:A not An (1)

SkyDude (919251) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104988)

ooouch.....

Re:A not An (2, Funny)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104683)

Not if you pronounce "H" as "aitch", Miss Doolittle. ("In 'Artford, 'Ereford, and 'Ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen," indeed.)

Couldn't we argue over something relevant - such as "WOHZ-nee-ak" vs. "WAHZ-nee-ak" - instead?

Re:A not An (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104769)

LOL, Got to love that movie "My Fair Lady" with the British gutter language, cockneay I think it's called?

Or perhaps they're just from France? Since they never pronounce their "H"'s either, and that's actually proper way.

Re:A not An (1)

Bill_Mische (253534) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105072)

Cockney...which isn't the "British gutter language" but the white working class accent of London.

Re:A not An (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104702)

What the hell are you talking about? It's definitely supposed to be "an HP"

Re:A not An (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104780)

It's definitely supposed to be "an HP"
As I remember, more like [(hp)]...

Re:A not An (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15105022)

Ok so we've decided it's grammatically correct "an HP computer" and/or "a Hewlett Packard computer"??

Re:A not An (-1, Offtopic)

Mo6eB (832959) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104759)

Now, I love grammar enforcement, as much as the next Nazi, but you must enforce _proper_ grammar, and in this case, you are wrong. It is actually "an", because the "h" in front of "haitch" is silent, so the first sound is an "a".

P.S. Dear slashdot maintaiers. Could you please alter the "Allowed HTML" list a bit? Currently,

<br>
is in front of
<a>
and together, they form "bra". At the present moment, they are the only two tags, forming a word together and I find this discriminatory to the other tags. I demand that you reorder it like this:
<p><ul> <br><a> <strong><li> <tt><i><dt> <div> <b><ecode> <dl><ol> <dd><em> <blockquote>
And stop the discrimination.

Passing on good ideas (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104641)

Heh, kinda like Slashdot where you get modded away by morons but then later everything you said is proven true. Nobody even remembers what you said earlier, everyone is like "yeah, I had this idea all along".

Idiots.

Power Adapters (5, Funny)

SillyWilly (692755) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104688)

I'm not surprised free AC Adapters are a perk of founding Apple. Certainly my experience with my PowerBook has been that they need replacing every 12 months if not sooner.

Re:Power Adapters (1)

Solra Bizna (716281) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104772)

They didn't suck before... my Clamshell used to go through about one of those yucky hockey puck adapters every two months, but then I found out that the old Lombard PowerBook adapters (conventional blocky kind) worked with it, and my first one of those has lasted me years with no sign of dying.

Now we have these newfangled death hook adapters...

-:sigma.SB

he woz different (4, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104716)

"My goal wasn't to make a ton of money. It was to build good computers. I only started the company when I realized I could be an engineer forever."

I woz truly blown away by this statement.

Re:he woz different (3, Interesting)

grumling (94709) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104885)

"My goal wasn't to make a ton of money. It was to build good computers. I only started the company when I realized I could be an engineer forever."

I woz truly blown away by this statement.

Most real entrepreneurs want to make a product or perfom a service first, make money second. Money is what makes it all possible.

friends (4, Insightful)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104731)

That's actually one of the nicest things Steve does for me: He makes sure I am always invited to the VIP guest area for the product rollouts. I appreciate that more than I can ever say.

I can appreciate one who knows what's most important in life, and one of those things is not forgetting who your friends are, and sticking by them all along. Even if it's just small things, which is the job of some secretary.

Re:friends (1)

x2A (858210) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104969)

"Even if it's just small things, which is the job of some secretary"

He did say "makes sure I'm invited" not "makes sure he invites me", so it might be the job of some secretary :-p

Re:friends (1)

vhogemann (797994) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104987)

I must agree with you.

I guess that's the difference, they really care about what they're doing, when Apple started it was not about making money... it was about making computers and changing the world!

It's as near as you get from a geek-fairy-tale =D

Hey Woz! (2, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104750)

I see that you have a nice list of your friends web pages [woz.org] on your site which is great, including the link to Kevin Mitnick's [freekevin.com] site which is nice because he was in jail and everything but now it redirects to Kevin's new business [mitnicksecurity.com] which I don't have any problem with either, except that Mitnick has actualy spent time in jail for doing bad things to people and their systems [wikipedia.org] and now seems to make money advising people how to steer clear of people like himself.

I'm not making any suggestions or anything, just pointing that out.

Re:Hey Woz! (3, Interesting)

Josh teh Jenius (940261) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104770)

FYI: The Minick story is about as tainted as any current discussion of Bush.

Not defending either, mind you. I usually like Wiki too. At this point, the Mitnick story is nothing but a 2600 PR stunt from the 90's, which is sad, becuase it really was a fascinating legal case, and a wonderful precursor to the PATRIOT ACT.

Read your history, kids.

Re:Hey Woz! (0, Offtopic)

Josh teh Jenius (940261) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104784)

Yikes! Look at those typos! OK, no more posting to /. until my morning coffee, I promise...

Re:Hey Woz! (1)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104792)

FYI: The Minick story is about as tainted as any current discussion of Bush.

Not defending either, mind you. I usually like Wiki too. At this point, the Mitnick story is nothing but a 2600 PR stunt from the 90's, which is sad, becuase it really was a fascinating legal case, and a wonderful precursor to the PATRIOT ACT.
I don't get it. What's your point? Give us the _real_ story, then!

Re:Hey Woz! (2, Interesting)

Josh teh Jenius (940261) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104871)

Sorry for the false-start there, guys.

Let me say the following about our pal "free" Kevin:

a) As a hacker in recovery, I have a *very* tainted opinion here.

b) The suspension of Mr. Mitnick's Constitutional rights to due process were not justified.

c) The suspension of those rights, in the interest of protecting "national security", set a dangerous precedent.

The great thing about American law is that almost *everything* involved in the case is public record. If Google gives you grief, try Lexis Nexis.

Rather than spout my own inane opinions, I'll just suggest anyone looking for a solid term paper topic try "Kevin Mitnick: a precursor to the PATRIOT ACT?".

Only Kevin knows the "real" story, and like most hackers, he is far too egotistical to tell us the truth either. My interest in the case is not "w00t teh planet", but rather, the actions of our OWN judicial system, and their justification of those actions. Read the story. Find those facts. Then you tell me:

Who was the bad guy in this case?

P.S. Pro or con, agree or disagree, I'd love to read it if anyone takes me up on this.

P.P.S. As other posters have pointed out: Gates stole DOS, Woz was a "hacker", and the definition of that term has been totally destroyed by politics and media.

P.P.P.S. Seriously. You guys bitching about the misuse of "gay" have got NOTHING on the guys (like me) bitching about the misuse of "hacker".

Re:Hey Woz! (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105027)

Seriously. You guys bitching about the misuse of "gay" have got NOTHING on the guys (like me) bitching about the misuse of "hacker".

You're pretty damn far off base there. I assume you're trying to be funny, but like most technical folk, you should lay off the comedy because it's just not a skill you have.

Re:Hey Woz! (4, Interesting)

Code Herder (937988) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104804)

Woz isn't squeeky clean either, with the whole blue box deal etc.

Re:Hey Woz! (1)

ScottCooperDotNet (929575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105028)

Maybe it's intentional, but Kris Gundersen's email link is wrong.

My offer stands, Woz (0, Troll)

caudron (466327) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104755)

If you come here and found my multibillion dollar company that skyrockets me into uber fame on your coattails, I promise you...75W adapters...all you could ever want!

Think about it. It's a good offer.

Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/gnome.html [digitalelite.com]

P.S. Act now, and I'll even wear those gay turtleneck sweater thingies you seem to like your partners to wear. I'm bending over backwards here, dude!

Thanks (1)

Ed Almos (584864) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104832)

Thanks, Woz.

Ed Almos

Friends of Mac (0, Troll)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104834)

You can find a pretty large community of guys who love Apple and the Mac over at MacBuds [macbuds.com] . Woz has been known to stop in once in a while.

Link does not lead to Mac Buds (1)

Unski (821437) | more than 8 years ago | (#15104990)

I followed your link seeking to share my mac experiences with my prospective mac buddies over at MacBuds and was distressed to find myself not in receipt of said website. I feel like my faith in the Internet has been shaken and I am now consulting with my nearest local Apple reseller as to where I can find a website for special people such as myself.

Please refrain from playing with the tender sensitivities of us Macintosh owners as we are not like you. I will now commune with my brethren - without mere words - to warn them of this.

trollkO8e (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15104921)

on my Pentium Pro irc network. The out of bed in the abysmal sales and one common goal - of )HIV and other GNAA on slashdot, Supplies to private Coming a piss don't feel that GNAA and support the most. Look at

An Homage to Woz (0)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105025)

I've just finished reading Peter F. Hamilton's Pandora's Star [amazon.co.uk] . This book (and the sequel) is set in an interstellar commonwealth founded by the inventor of the wormhole generator and his partner who turned it into a commercial venture. These two characters seem to have been based on the two Steves, with the Woz character (Ozzie) getting the more exciting story line.

Unquestionably, "I, Woz" is the best title ever! (1, Offtopic)

Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) | more than 8 years ago | (#15105068)

Without a doubt, "I, Woz" is the best title ever. Pure genius!!

I wonder if the Woz himself thought of it or someone else?
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