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Aero To Be Unavailable To Pirates

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the no-shiny-for-you dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Users thinking of pirating the next version of Windows may have a surprise in store: no Aero for you. The upcoming Microsoft OS will run a check to ensure the copy was legally purchased. If it comes up short, the shiniest part of the OS will not be available." From the article: "At first an optional program, the piracy check eventually became mandatory for many types of Windows XP downloads, but was not required to run any aspect of the operating system itself. Microsoft has identified reducing piracy as a key way for the company to grow its sales of Windows, which is already used on more than 90 percent of personal computers. But it's not just pirates who will be blocked from Windows' fanciest graphics. The Aero display also won't be available to those who buy Windows Vista Basic, the low-end consumer version of the operating system."

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630 comments

A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120285)

I guess this will merely separate the real pirates from the need pirates.

I'm not going to hide anything, I pirated Matlab and Mathematica in college. But I wasn't selling them or making a profit off them, I was simply installing old versions of them so that I could get my homework done without having to go to campus and be restricted by lab hours. I have since uninstalled them and don't feel wrong for using them to accomplish assignments.

I think there are a lot of pirates here in America and overseas that just want a functioning OS on which they can install their games and quicken and other such Win32 software. Even I would prefer a Windows "Lite" over Windows with Aero. The last thing I want is some fancy pants CPU hog with Rosie O'Donnel sized memory footprints running around in the background!

I would really like to see a free Windows OS "Core" kernal system that doesn't have any features but can be downloaded and installed easily. You could purchase more and more expansions or just buy the loaded omgwtfbbq$999 version of Windows right off the bat with everything from Office Suite Complex SP8 to Windows Media Player with more skins than an 18th century fur trader.

The real pirates are going to try everything to be able to crack and sell these advanced copies. They'll do it regardless of what features Windows has. There's already speculation on how to do it [com.com] .

If you're making one version more secure than another, you're simply admitting that you're not too concerned about the minimal package being pirated but you cannot afford to have Aero pirated. I think that says a lot about how you really view the core operating system and how it's becoming recognized more and more as a necessary tool and not some software bonus. Many software models have developed into being very successful by offering a "Lite" version of the software product for free and encouraging an upgrade to more features by buying a full fledged license from the homepage. The very piece of software I'm using right now to author and spellcheck this post (Textpad) is marketed in this manner.

So I welcome this new news that only the rich, powerful & non-collegiate will have Aero. Let them have their bells and whistles!

Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed (-1, Redundant)

twzop (834798) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120318)

You said a mouth full.

Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120320)

STFU, you might give them a good idea.

Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed (0, Flamebait)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120332)

sorry to inform you but omgwtfbbq has been demoted the new specification requires you to use the full syntax. ombwtfbbq is now omgwtfbbqip (IP meaning its ponies)

Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120365)

Excellent post, sir. My only objection: I'm pretty sure there's a rule against using "Rosie O'Donnel" and "running around" in the same sentence.

Duly Noted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120408)

I'm pretty sure there's a rule against using "Rosie O'Donnel" and "running around" in the same sentence.
Thank you for the correction--I should have changed the phrase "running around" to "struggling to remain erect and move freely by her own accord."

Re:Duly Noted (4, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120486)

I'm pretty sure there's a rule against using "Rosie O'Donnel" and "erect" in the same sentence.

Re: I heart Textpad (2, Insightful)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120388)

It's a fantastic program, I think I've sold 4 different clients on it.

There's a whole slew of consultants in my field who always beg me to get JDeveloper up and running in their dev environments and I always recoil in horror and start asking pointed questions of "Why?"
Huge footprint, doesn't play well with the products I develop for, and has crashed more than once. Give me the simple elegance of TextPad any day of the week; I can program my own debugging lines and watches into it if I need them. -1 offtopic.

Re: I heart Textpad (1)

teh Wang (777509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120459)

Aye, Textpad Server is what you need.

Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120432)

You must've had it bad. My college was nice enough to provide Mathematica as a download for students, legal and free. And my department ran HP servers with Matlab, so I could do my homework from the comfort of home. Speaking of Textpad, I think we had a free, full version of that available too. I miss college somedays.

Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed (1)

atomice (228931) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120469)

No - TextPad does not come in a 'Lite' version. From Helios' website: "There is no charge for the download, but you must pay for the software if you decide to keep it. "

I agree! Let's have their balls and whistle! (0, Troll)

YeeHaW_Jelte (451855) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120478)

Ehm, sorry, not a native speaker ...

We knew this was coming. (5, Insightful)

windowpain (211052) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120289)

Every majoy piece of software is going "phone home" from here on out.

So unplug the damn thing (2, Insightful)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120454)

It's a good solution, seriously. Think about it. Just don't allow the thing to dial home. Unplug it from the net. Run your games or uber-business apps on it, and have a $300 Linux box for web/email. It's an optimal solution even today.

because you won't want to (3, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120512)

in the future more and more things wil be tied to the web. Office applications like writely and ajaxWrite. Photo librarys. Maybe even your music and TV. You won't want to unplug to run the OS.

On the otherhand I like this solution to piracy. If it detects a piarate copy it hobbles the OS but does not shut it down. That makes it safe to use in case it glitches on you and mis-detects it's lic status.

I'd take it one step further and change the mouse to an oversized hot pink X with a desktop that says "Liscence key not valid". Anyone seeing that on someone elses computer would know it was stolen and there might be social pressure to pay for what you can steal.

Shall we start a pool? (1, Insightful)

Zephyros (966835) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120290)

How long before the Corporate Edition gets leaked?

Re:Shall we start a pool? (1)

TangoCharlie (113383) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120395)

Here in the South-East of England, we have a water shortage and the water companies have imposed a hose-pipe ban... so filling a pool is right out of the question!

Additionally, in the more rural parts, there are also plenty of people who can't get broadband... so I guess "Aero" won't work for them either!

No water, no broadband! I'm going back to Bradford :-)

Pirate "Lite Edition" sounds OK, actually. (4, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120292)


FTA: With the new operating system, Microsoft is offering plenty of new graphics tricks, including translucent windows, animated flips between open programs and "live icons" that show a graphical representation of the file in question.

Many 'pirate' copies currently run on less-than-optimal hardware, yes? Microsoft's plans will make this 'pirate edition' less of a resource hog so for many it actually sounds like a pretty good upgrade over the legit version.

Re:Pirate "Lite Edition" sounds OK, actually. (3, Insightful)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120391)

Aero is optional, therefore the removal of choice is not an "upgrade" no matter how hard this news is spun.

Yes, but... (5, Funny)

Disavian (611780) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120293)

Working validation crack in 3, 2, 1...

Re:Yes, but... (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120362)

You stole the post right outta my brain, and right off the keyboards of every l33t3r out there who fancies a go at the encryption system.

Re:Yes, but... (1)

g0dsp33d (849253) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120451)

Or you can just fire up linux and give Redmond the finger. Last I checked Fedora core doesn't phone home, and if you feel like modifying it, its a much easier hack for us lazier coders.

Re:Yes, but... (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120493)

Dude, i ordered my iMac yesterday, I'm not joking.

I'm not quite able to give up commerical software (I need the heavy commerical multimedia apps), but I'm going freelance as a multimedia developer and ditching windows in favour of the way of the Mac, now that I'm working for myself.

BTW has anyone heard anything about the new Intel/Mac workstations? I'm having to go with a 20" iMac but will get a workstation after they decide to launch. Someone at apple please just walk up to me and sell me one now!

Oh noes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120298)

That will put a real crimp in my computing when I don't buy when it comes out in 2009.

Oh wait. I wasn't going to buy it anyway.

I had the same idea. (5, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120302)

I want to write a Linux program that runs a series of invasive system checks to make sure you didn't pay for it.

Re:I had the same idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120360)

I don't remember the name but a few years ago, there was on some Linux flavor (Debian maybe?) a program (named "RMS" or something) that would scan your whole hard disk to check for programs with a non free license (RealPlayer for example). I know there's a /.er somewhere who knows what I'm talking about :D

Re:I had the same idea. (5, Interesting)

farnz (625056) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120515)

The package you're thinking of is vrms, the virtual Richard M. Stallman [debian.org] . It only scans your dpkg database though, so doesn't catch manually installed non-free software, only the non-free stuff installed via apt or similar mechanisms.

Re:I had the same idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120366)

You program for SCO?

Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advantage (4, Insightful)

duerra (684053) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120305)

Somebody please correct me if I have been mistaken.

I understand and respect Microsoft wanting to be able to ensure that as many copies of their software is legit as possible, but from what I understand, Vista is going to *require* signed drivers for it to work, which I would also assume plays some part in the Windows Genuine Advantage program. I would assume that it costs money and requires licensing and such to get a driver signed. Doesn't this qualify as a form of extortion and abuse of Microsoft's monopoly? By requiring signed drivers, they're effectively forcing everybody to pay them an "extortion fee" in order for other companies to be able to make hardware for users to run their systems. Doesn't this present problems for Microsoft? How can they be allowed to do this, considering their monopoly status?

I really don't like the idea of Microsoft forcing me into using signed drivers and such in order to take advantage of the software I legally purchased. There's countless reasons for this, but I would think that Microsoft's monopoly status alone would be enough to stop them from abusing these sorts of practices.

Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant (2)

octopus72 (936841) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120380)

Don't worry, EU will look into that.

Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant (3, Insightful)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120389)

I only know enough about law to tell you this:

No one gives a shit about enforcing anti-trust laws in the current administration.

Sadly, that is not the biggest of our concerns. If we make it to 2009 without nuking someone, I will be happy. We can worry about corporations raping the public after that.

Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120419)

Oh it's worse than that.

This will severely impair the independent engineering of new hardware peripherals capable of working with windows, and in addition will cause a major problem for people trying to make hardware emulators like deamon tools.

This is specifically by hollywood order in order to more easily secure their DRM, and it doesn't hurt much that it also has the beneficial side effects of allowing microsoft to charge "developer fees" to anyone who wants to make new hardware and help make an oligopoly of existing hardware vendors by locking out new entrants.

I expect one of two things to happen:
either new antitrust cases are filed, or the pc/software market gains barriers which cause stagnation to the point it threatens the viability of the majority perceived "PC" as anything more than a delivery device for major cartel vendors.

Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant (5, Informative)

dioscaido (541037) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120427)

While it's great to suspect some extortion/conspiracy theory, the signed driver requirement is in place so that it'll be much harder for Hacker McPhee to install that driver rootkit on your machine.

For a legitimate hardware manufacturer it is not difficult at all to get their drivers signed through a certificate authority. This is not done through Microsoft (and is different from their certification programs).

Here's the text from http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/64bi t/kmsigning.mspx [microsoft.com] :

To obtain a PIC, a publisher must first obtain a VeriSign Class 3 Commercial Software Publisher Certificate. Registration with Verisign results in establishing a credential that can be used to establish a Microsoft Windows Quality Online Services (Winqual) account. The publisher can then use that certificate to authenticate itself to Microsoft. If the certificate is valid, Microsoft issues a PIC.
A publisher typically completes the authentication process once a year through the Winqual Web site. The process is completed over a channel that is protected by the secure sockets layer (SSL). Figure 1 illustrates the process of obtaining a PIC. For more information about Winqual, see "Resources" at the end of this paper.

Figure 1. Obtaining a PIC
Important: The process of obtaining a PIC is separate from the Windows Logo Program submission process. The PIC signing capability does not replace the WHQL program. Microsoft encourages publishers to use the WHQL programs such as the Logo and Driver Reliability Signing programs, whenever possible. The primary purpose of the PIC program is to introduce identity into the kernel-mode and driver ecosystem, in cases where participation in the WHQL program might not be suitable. The PIC signing capability does not require the publisher to pass certain Windows Logo Program testing requirements associated with WHQL.

Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120470)

For a legitimate hardware manufacturer it is not difficult at all to get their drivers signed through a certificate authority. This is not done through Microsoft (and is different from their certification programs).

They have to develop them though. There's got to be some means by which they can install unsigned drivers and test on a variety of configurations without having to acquire a special developers edition of vista for each test station.

Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120517)

Oh.. so they only have to give kickbacks to verisign and microsoft for the "right" to develop drivers for windows..

I'm sorry but that argument doesnt fly with me. However small, it's still extortionate and more importantly orwellian.

Why the hell should I have to give microsoft any information about me in order to make compatible drivers? That's a bit extreme..
Do owners of second hand '65 mustangs have to obtain "special licenses" from ford to build out their engines?

Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant (3, Insightful)

jeffasselin (566598) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120523)

"While it's great to suspect some extortion/conspiracy theory, the signed driver requirement is in place so that it'll be much harder for Hacker McPhee to install that driver rootkit on your machine."

Yes, I'm sure that's what they told you. Oceania has always been at war and all that shizz, you know?

Hackers will find ways to bypass these restrictions easily enough. Security holes (old AND new) will allow dishonest people to do whatever they want anyway.

That's not even counting on the possibility of hackers getting their spyware signed. Remember when people managed to get keys signed in Microsoft's name? You REALLY trust Verisign with this? I sure don't.

Haha (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120309)

...I use a Mac ... and Linux ... and even BSD ... but not that fugly, bug riddled, virus infested, spam ridden, trojan hacked, wormy operating system called Windows...

You get what you [over] pay for.

SUCKERS

Re:Haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120507)

I wonder why the parent is marked troll?
It is so true though...

Thank you Microsoft (3, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120311)

Really, thank you. You have now given me the final reason NOT to upgrade.

As a poster in a previous article said, I'll keep my copy of W2K running as long as I can and when, for whatever reason, it is no longer useful I will devote my time and resources to learning how to use Linux though Apple might come first.

Thank you Microsoft. Your ineptness will be your undoing.

I can't wait to see what happens when businesses realize the cost to upgrade to your latest abomination and all the attendant problems that will occur.

Re:Thank you Microsoft (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120445)

As a poster in a previous article said, I'll keep my copy of W2K running as long as I can and when, for whatever reason, it is no longer useful I will devote my time and resources to learning how to use Linux though Apple might come first.

I feel the same way about XP. I have to say, it's been the most stable version of Windows for me so far, and I don't see a real need to change it. Knowing MS, they'll keep supporting it until the last XP programmer contracts Alzheimers and by then I'll have one or more Linux boxes and won't care. MS doesn't need any more of my cash.

Re:Thank you Microsoft (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120471)

Pissing off the religious right at every opportunity and proud of it
Really? How?
I am guessing that you suck poopie covered dicks (Not that gross because it is your own poop, because the dick has just been pulled out of your ass- so it is almost like a closed system!!!)
But anyway, that is what pisses off the religious right, so are you saying you are gay?

What does this say about Vista? (1, Interesting)

Hellad (691810) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120319)

Doesn't this seem to hint that Vista is bloated? I may be dumb, but if they can just take out Aero feature that means that they left a second graphic system in place. I am just curious what sort of resources are being wasted on the duel setup...

Re:What does this say about Vista? (2, Insightful)

Disavian (611780) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120397)

If they designed Vista correctly, they could have any number of graphical systems, and all it would take is to unload one and load in another. It's not really about bloat, it's more about code design. I have a feeling that MSFT's at least trying to use some good code design.

Re:What does this say about Vista? (1)

gumbright (574609) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120426)

That is what I thought. What, I don't have to use the bloated fancy graphic system that will eat cycles and waste my time with pointless fades, transitions, lens flares, etc?

And this is bad for me how? Isn't it Aero that would be forcing machine upgrades? MS really has its head deep in its orifice this time.

Re:What does this say about Vista? (1)

Disavian (611780) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120526)

Aero doesn't seem to be that bad - try it out, if you value those CPU cycles, just switch it off. Ctrl + Shift + F9, I think. The reason they're doing all the fun graphics, is because we have video cards that do all of this nowadays. The desktop is a collection of DirectX surfaces, and it's easy to tell it to squeeze/roll/fade windows as a result. I, for one, don't notice any significant performance drain due to Aero, but then again I'm not looking for one.

Re:What does this say about Vista? (1)

danpsmith (922127) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120495)

I am just curious what sort of resources are being wasted on the duel setup...

No duel setup is ever a waste of resources, EN GARDE!!

Re:What does this say about Vista? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120503)

It seems to me more of a tacit acceptance of people ignoring the licensing.

I think a more interesting question than what it says about Vista is what it says about the need to maintain the monopoly.

Were they to enforce the license more strictly, then people wouldn't use it at all.

And then the shiny new features that they'd like to put into Office would also be less likely to draw sales.

Or, the various free alternatives would become more attractive.

Turbo Charged Vista? (1)

programmer-x (457719) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120322)

So does this mean that with all the fancy graphics etc. turned off, pirated versions will run faster?

Couple of questions (4, Insightful)

GroeFaZ (850443) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120335)

1) Is Aero relevant to Vista's inner workings, i.e. is it a real limitation to its functionality if missing? If yes, how severe a limitation?

2) How does Aero differ from numerous attempts at 3D desktops that are already out there? Why will users really miss it?

3) What are the chances that Aero will stay off-limits to "pirates" for any extended period of time?

Re:Couple of questions (3, Informative)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120513)

"2) How does Aero differ from numerous attempts at 3D desktops that are already out there? Why will users really miss it?"

One of the BFD's about Aero is that apps can be rescaled etc. (Hence all the vector-based stuff going on with the video card.) The idea is that Vista will support 300DPI monitors. I read a story a couple of years ago about how Microsoft and ... oh I want to say it was Viewsonic but I could be wrong ... made a deal to develope a 5,000 pixel wide LCD monitor. The text and icons would still be drawn at a reasonable size, but they'd be a hell of a lot clearer. If these monitors turn into reality *and* they become wide-spread, then Aero will definitely be an important factor with Windows.

As for Aero's other graphical nicities, well it's hard to say. Everybody here claims they don't want to waste the resources etc, but everybody gets all giggly and bouncy when there's new OSX or KDE screenshots.

This makes me want to pirate it, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120336)

Chances are for as much system resources that Aero suck up I will probably turn it off anyways. I have always thought that windows shiny things we a complete waist of resources anyways.

Thanks Microsoft!

PS Pirates help lower global warming!

Alternatively... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120337)

Buy a MacIntel complete with OSX. You don't need the 2096 processor supercomputer to have the shiny effects on the GUI, nor will you have to jump through hoops just to prove that you're not a filthy pirate. And as far as I can tell so far having trialed the Vista February CTP, the shiny effects work considerably better under OSX than they do on Vista - ie they feel like they've been there since day one rather than hacked on top.

I had plans for those CPU cycles anyway (4, Informative)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120341)

The first thing I do when I install XP is disable Luna and all the graphical tweaks except for show window contents while dragging. XP is nice and snappy and stable when you make it look like 95!

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7022/1036/1600/ uptime.0.jpg [blogger.com]

Re:I had plans for those CPU cycles anyway (1, Interesting)

duerra (684053) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120405)

I have more than tripled that uptime on Windows XP without disabling much of anything. XP really is a pretty stable OS, contrary to what Microsoft booboys what you to believe.

The biggest killer of my uptime for Windows XP has been the security updates that require a restart in order for them to be installed. If it wasn't for these, gawd knows how long my uptime would be.

Re:I had plans for those CPU cycles anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120487)

And they'll probably never make it hot-patchable... :( The days of 3-month uptime are gone. We cannot resist installing updates... even though they are very hard to appreciate, as you can't really tell that anything changed.

Re:I had plans for those CPU cycles anyway (5, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120472)

XP is nice and snappy and stable when you make it look like 95!

And what's really cool is that it looks better too!

KFG

Re:I had plans for those CPU cycles anyway (1)

pla (258480) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120481)

The first thing I do when I install XP is disable Luna and all the graphical tweaks except for show window contents while dragging.

Same here, and I have no reason to suspect I wouldn't do the same on Vista as well. So if Microsoft hopes taking out the CPU-sucking eye-candy will dissuade piracy, I hope for their sake they have a plan "B".

Though, I do like ClearType. On a DVI-connected flat panel, it really does make small text MUCH easier on the eyes.

Great, no need to buy (1)

HybridTheory (551364) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120347)

So what M$ are telling me is if I want a version that isn't overbloated with GUI eye candy requiring multiple GB Ram, massive GPU's I should grab the pirate version instead of purchasing.

Cool.

Re:Great, no need to buy (1)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120450)

From the SUMMARY: "The Aero display also won't be available to those who buy Windows Vista Basic, the low-end consumer version of the operating system."

So, no - if you don't want Aero, you should buy the basic version.

In other words: (4, Funny)

RandoX (828285) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120349)

Get a pirated version and you don't need a new video card.

Orly? (1)

ryu1232 (792127) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120353)

Are you threatening me? *said with silly ethnic accent* This is going to be a direct challenge to pirates everywhere. It will either be disabled,or faked out. it always is. I wonder how long until pseudo authentication servers for versions with hacked code pop up.

Mexed Missages (2, Funny)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120354)

But it's not just pirates who will be blocked from Windows' fanciest graphics. The Aero display also won't be available to those who buy Windows Vista Basic, the low-end consumer version of the operating system.


That's sort of an odd message to send, isn't it? "We think you're a software pirate. Or maybe you're just poor. Either way, you don't get the shiny shiny."

Re:Mexed Missages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120375)

Oh my God imagine -- the Basic version might be missing some enhancements... geese, guess it's time we grill Microsoft for re-writing the definition of "Basic."

ARRRRRR (1)

metricmusic (766303) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120356)

Does that mean 'pirates' won't need an as-powerful machine to run the next version of Windows? ;)

but seriously, this will be as successful as their WGA attempt. It will frustrate legit windows owners more than it will put a dent on 'piracy'.

BooHoo (1, Funny)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120357)

Wait, you mean if I pirate it, I won;t ever have to have my resources hogged by pointless eye candy.

I only have three words for you then... SHIVER ME TIMBERS!!!

AAAARRRRRR!

Re:BooHoo (1)

zenmojodaddy (754377) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120476)

That looks like four words to me. Does the eyepatch interfere with your ability to count?

Performance boost? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120377)

So as a reward for not paying for the software MS make the software run faster and consume less memory?

I certinaly hope they offer turning off this bloatware feature to paying customers... otherwise they might see piracy go up!!

Fair Price for Fair use (2, Insightful)

mcai8rw2 (923718) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120379)

Two things...

1. Haven't microsoft tried this 'validation' thing already with downloading copies of directx? That didn;t appear to work very well.

2.I don't care what people say...windows is still expensive. If windows was more affordable to the average user, maybe piracy wouldn't be such an issue.

Re:Fair Price for Fair use (0)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120434)

Can I get an amen brother?

Windows isn't worth the 300 or whatever bucks a fully legit non-oem copy costs. It doesn't come with any useful tools and the extra doo-dahs like WMP and IE most people avoid like the plague.

If they could just get through their thick fucking skulls that people just want the OS + Driver support and they'll take care of the userland tools themselves they'd have a product worth actuallying buying.

But of course if their past is any indication of their future Vista will take 5GB of disk space and still require 300 additional 3rd party tools to be installed to be useful.

Now if you could get Office+MSVC+WinXP for say $300 or something that may be worth it. Cuz at least then you'd have professional [well sorta] tools to work with.

As it stands the average XP user downloads cygwin, ming, lcc-win32 or others for development, OpenOffice for a suite, firefox/mozilla for browsing, etc...

Oh well, I'm happy with my Gentoo boxes anyways. Takes less disk space, is more useable and I get the double-plus good feeling from using OSS.

Tom

your claims of average man... (2, Informative)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120501)

I find a little strong...

the average XP user downloads cygwin, ming, lcc-win32 or others for development, OpenOffice for a suite, firefox/mozilla for browsing, etc...

I cry utter bullshit on each element, and ask you to give a cite for a single one.
1-average xp user downloads cygwin
2-average xp user downloads lcc-win32
3-average xp user downloads/uses open office
4-average xp user uses firefox/mozilla

2nd, the price of XPhome+office student&teacher edition is about 325$ retail.

the AVERAGE XP user wants a free media player, and all the other XP goodies,
and doesn't give a shit about superior alternatives for most of it... they want easy.

now, your personal experience (and mine) is not the same- but it's also ABOVE average- FAR ABOVE average- than the average xp user.

and- selling to the average man- IS what sells.

BFD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120384)

Ooooh, Aeroglass! Aaaah! Watch how mesmerized I am by cheap screen effects that won't even run on 90% of the computers out there!

Big F#&^ing Deal!

If Microsoft really wanted to curb piracy by disabling certain features without a phone-home license, they should target something a little bit more functional. I imagine that the software pirates of China will be quite happy to use their free copy of Vista without aeroglass.

Hold up... (4, Interesting)

ViX44 (893232) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120399)

Have they ever gotten around to telling us why we want Aero-glass? First thing I do whenever I'm on a XP machine, including other peoples' because I'm rude, is disable the XP theme system and get back to something useful. I don't want the close button on a window to be large because that makes it easy to hit by accident. GUI design 101, and XP fails it hard.

So, what makes bubble buttons and transparency effects something I should want? Is Microsoft trying to bank on GUI wiener-size competition to get people to pay hundreds of dollars for a legtimate installation of the OS?

Oh, yeah...they're going to try to stick it in the gamer market by making everyone upgrade for DX10...which will likely only give you full performance on Trusted Hardware, just like the high-res video bunk.

Let's hear it for Microsoft. 1) My GUI looks better than yours. 2) DX10 is so much more efficient, it almost makes up for the performance lost by binding 70% of your system resources to the GUI that looks better than yours. 3) We don't like your installation of Linux on your other partition, so we're using Oklahoma power to reach in and delete it all, and install this cool IDE device driver from StarForce. 4) You're welcome!

MS admits users don't need to upgrade anymore (2, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120400)

Microsoft has identified reducing piracy as a key way for the company to grow its sales of Windows,

If there were compelling reasons to upgrade, Microsoft wouldn't have to look at other means to grow their Windows' sales, the upgrade sales would carry them forward.

Who cares (1)

barcodez (580516) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120404)

The only reason I keep a copy of Windows installed on a small partition my PC is so I can run iTunes and as I have decided to buy a MacBook pro my iTunes OS will now by OSX, obviously I'll still be using Linux as my day to day OS. I get eye candy with OSX and GLX so who honestly need Aero (or indeed Windows)? To answer my own question the only people that do still need Windows are those organisations that have painted themselves into a corner with their application selections over the years. Buying application that only work with Windows and have closed standards, exchange/outlook, those crappy VB6 cheapo developments... you get the picture. These organisations don't need to upgrade though as upgrading brings very little.

Corporate version? (5, Interesting)

bernywork (57298) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120406)

Umm, How will this affect corporate versions? Will the release of Vista require your computer to talk to another computer on your corporate network which then talks back to Microsoft to ensure that your copy is legitimate?

If Microsoft starts demanding activation from corporate customers, I think things will get interesting and amusing all at the same time.

Still won't work (4, Interesting)

barthrh2 (713909) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120410)

A lot (most?) of the piracy drives off of corporate copies. These typically don't call home. I can't imagine how you could force a corporation to grant internet connections for the purposes of licensing. If Vista corporate licensing still doesn't phone home, then the problem is far from solved. If they wish to force corporations to allow phoning home, they are going to have quite a stuggle getting companies to upgrade. The no-net workaround, calling in for an authorization code, is even worse when you have hundreds or thousands of computers.

Predictions? (1, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120414)

My prediction is that someone will be clever enough to write a daemon that will intercept the "phone home" activity and provide the response that the OS requires. Add some names to the hosts file along with the appropriate challenge-response and I'm thinking that'll just about do the trick.

Re:Predictions? (2, Insightful)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120522)

That approach is pretty much guaranteed to fail. How would you spoof a Microsoft response if they take the obvious step of using asymmetric cryptography? Any crack would have to avoid the challenge in the first place or change the public key before the challenge is sent.

RofL (1)

Xaggroth (851428) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120418)

All I have to say to microsoft is good luck.

why?

Because as long as it's there there'll be a way around it.

Who the hell wants the extra features anyway? especially if you're a gamer..
Aero = YEY mem and video HOG
yeah fuck that.

Dear Pirates: Welcome to OS X! (1)

Captain Perspicuous (899892) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120421)

Dear Pirates, OS X [apple.com] is just as shiny as Vista, has no hard protection, and might work on your machine just as well as windows does. Welcome, come on in, we're actually in serious need of more bad boys: While you're trying out os x, you might try to port some windows games or crack some apps that haven't been cracked in 5 years, like Logic Pro [apple.com] (requires dongle) and ProTools [digidesign.com] (requires hardware) and give something back to the community :-D

Re:Dear Pirates: Welcome to OS X! (2, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120491)

And when you realize the shinyness of your desktop doesn't reflect it's usefulness go jump on the Gentoo bandwagon and be part of a winning team for a change.

As much as I hate MSFT for being a monopoly and industry stiffler I hate Apple for being prima donnas.

My Dell laptop is just fine. It's sturdy, works in both winxp and linux, has good battery life, is fast, etc, and costs much less than the standard issue G4 laptop at the time (even though my Dell has a 3yr warranty, larger battery and HD than the standard G4).

If Apple could realize that their outsourced third-world construction factories are no better than the third-world construction factories Dell uses ... they could charge appropriate prices.

Though since they ditched freescale and went Intel I don't see the motivation. If I wanted another Intel laptop I'd go to dell.ca. PPC had some merit mostly because it was a different architecture which if followed through more heavily could give x86 a run for the MIPS/Watt ratio.

Alas...

Tom

Heat Wave (5, Funny)

Aqua_boy17 (962670) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120423)

How in the world are we ever going to solve Global Warming unless we stop discriminating against pirates? Sheesh!

And this is bad why? (5, Insightful)

schabot (941087) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120424)

Have you seen screenshots of Aero Glass? It looks like the short films of a first year computer animation student http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/longhorn3/Aer o%20Glass%20-%20Contacts.jpg [activewin.com] . It is for this same reason Luna in XP gets very old very fast, and anyone wanting to get some serious work done turns it off.

Or, did anyone consider the fact that these all look like crap because they can be turned off--they are only add-ons to the plain style that was introduced with Win95. They get in the way. Would anyone even consider turning off Aqua, even if you could. No, because it is part of the system, part of your work flow. (Disclaimer: I have Win2000, OS X and Ubuntu machines)

Besides, as people have noted, most individuals who are installing pirated versions have computers that can't handle Areo Glass anyway. Any computer capable enough will come with Visa pre-installed, whenever that happens to be. The rest of us be thankful that we can get the garbage out of the way, even if you believe that Visa will be able to do some real work. Me, I'll keep Windows 2000, because really haven't seen any real innovation since then--it is stable and uncluttered, which is about as good as Windows can get.

Re:And this is bad why? (0)

rjstanford (69735) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120525)

Besides, as people have noted, most individuals who are installing pirated versions have computers that can't handle Areo Glass anyway. Any computer capable enough will come with Visa pre-installed, whenever that happens to be.

I would have thought that only the pirated copies would come with Visa pre-installed...

Same thing in XP (0)

fusto99 (939313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120429)

I remember this same thing happening in Windows XP. One of the versions I tested was not a legit copy and when I tried to installed one of the service packs (I think it was SP1), it would not let me install it because it could not authenticate my copy. I wonder if this is the same thing?

Product activation and piracy (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120433)

Has XP's product activation actually reduced piracy significantly? Have MS actually checked this? Most people buy their machines with Windows pre-installed. I can't imagine piracy to make that big a dent in sales.

The joke's on them... (2, Funny)

Philodoxx (867034) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120438)

I'll just pirate windows basic! Then there won't be any reproducussions for my thievery... except that I'd be running windows.

Imagine the confusion when... (1, Insightful)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120449)

...Mr. and Mrs. Consumer, see a row of machines in Best Buy all sporting the spiffy Aero look and read a barrage of publicity about how great the new system is. ...They buy a cheap machine at Costco with Vista Home preinstalled, fire it up, and think they've been cheated or given the wrong OS because it looks just the machine they dropped off at the annual hazardous waste disposal day; ...Call Microsoft to find out what's wrong and get barraged by a hostile cross-examination about the provenance of their system.

Installed base (1)

YeeHaW_Jelte (451855) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120457)

"Microsoft has identified reducing piracy as a key way for the company to grow its sales of Windows, which is already used on more than 90 percent of personal computers."

Reducing piracy is also the most sure way of reducing the number of people using Windows.

I find the microsoft stance on reducing piracy pretty half-hearted. If they can turn of Aero on pirated versions, they could also turn of the whole OS easily. They don't because the large market share, either payed for or not, helps keep them their monopoly.

They just can't come down on piracy, because they'll hurt themselves too much.

Mmmm.... shiny (1)

Thyamine (531612) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120464)

I can understand that people don't want to have their resources used up by the OS just to look pretty, but that's missing the point here. People _DO_ want to have the shiny-shiny turned on. They are upgrading because they want to see the fancy new things that Microsoft is marketing at them (See, we look just like Apple! Look at the shiny Windows OS... ooooooooh).

So like they say, the casual pirates are going to have to either buy a real version, or way until the real pirates find a way to defeat the checks. I expect that will happen no matter what, but most home users aren't going to be satisfied unless they can look as omfg pew! pew! pew!!!1!1 as they can. And that means that maybe some of them will actually buy what MS is dangling for them.

A perfect time to switch to another OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120475)

enough said...

No Aero? Great! (1)

kerouacsgp (516242) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120484)

If the priated copy has no Aero, wouldn't it run faster? I would disable Aero anyway the first thing i install Vista.

I sense a great disturbance in the force. (1)

jfz (917930) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120489)

As if millions of software vendors in the far east cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

And to those not on a network? (1)

ioexcept (654974) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120498)

How will this affect people such as my grandparents who use their computer only for tax/accounting purposes and aren't on a network. Sure you can make the argument "then they wouldn't need the porch version of winblows". That's a fine and dandy argument but does that force anyone wanting to use it to be 1) on a LAN/WAN or 2) Tech-Savvy and leave those not willing out in the cold of new technologies? How does this fit into the Chinese governments mandate posted yesterday 'The End of Naked PCs in China?' http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/12/12 14205 [slashdot.org] This is just another Microsoft move to control the masses. Personally, I enjoy seeing this, I think this will help Linux move forward more than Gates and his minions realize. (wishful thinking)

I like this trend! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15120504)

Gee, I don't have to use their fancy, bloated 3D GUI?

Next thing you know, they'll eliminate Messenger, that gawdawful virus attractor and system resource waster that I have to use 3rd party tools to remove from XP. Then, they'll get rid of the CD burning stuff in XP that's useless to me. Then, they'll probably get rid of all the helpful messages that line up on the left-hand side of every window that I don't need or use since I have been using Windows for 10+ years. And wizards; they'll probably decide not to help me with every little system task just because I didn't buy Windows.

In short, if this trend continues, I'll soon be able to get the Windows I always dreamed of; lean, mean, slimmed-down and ready to do some real work! And all I gotta do is steal it rather than buy it! Thank you, Microsoft!

news flash: MS admits eliminating piracty kills (4, Funny)

fermion (181285) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120511)

Today MS admitted that its market share was largely due to piracy. Rather than MS Windows being the best value for the money, it is the best widely distributed and supported free OS. A such, the MS will be adopting a new strategy in which the OS will be given away, and only support contracts and cosmetic add ons will be sold. A senior MS official was quoted as saying "Consumer have always realized that MS Windows had no real financial value, and now MS itself has come to the same conclusions. The technology in MS Windows is 20 years old, of no innovative consequence. We will focus of serving bussiness customers and leveraging the MS Office franchise to grow the company"

Awesome! (1)

smug_lisp_weenie (824771) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120521)

That means all we have to do is pirate Vista and we don't have to put up with the ugly, useless Microsoft angry fruitsalad UI disaster called Aero...

...Sign me up!

No... (1)

joshsnow (551754) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120527)

Microsoft has identified reducing piracy as a key way for the company to grow its sales of Window

No, the way to reduce "piracy" and grow sales is to

  • Reduce the price of Windows when it's sold retail
  • Stop forcing people who want to upgrade from windows95 to XP to buy an upgrade to windows 98
  • Stop forcing manufacturers to (a) Not sell "naked" pcs and (b)not supply an installation CD
  • Stop abusing a monopoly position to the point where people would rather "pirate" than buy.

Great news (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120531)

This would only be a problem if there were no alternative. The tighter they squeeze, the more fat corporate licenses will slip through their fingers.

Is there any way we could persuade them to squeeze harder?

Another reason to switch (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 8 years ago | (#15120533)

Many moons ago I purchased a copy of quickbooks pro with the intent of using it as a cash register software. When I got it home and installed it I was shocked. A pop up window warned me that I had to register the copy of software. I looked at every word on the box. I searched the documents that came with it. They all claimed it as, "a full version". The pop up window continued to nag so I called the number it presented me with. The poor soul on the line, with a woble in her voice, explained how I still needed to "register" the software with the company. I politely asked if the call was being recorded, to remove her ear from the phone, and explained my disapproval.

The silver in this cloud was simple to find. I returned the software for a refund (those were the good days). Downloaded a copy of RedHat 4.1 and started on a road to custom LAMP invironments for small retail shops.
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