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Oracle Looks At Buying Novell

Hemos posted more than 8 years ago | from the consolidation-to-continue dept.

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Several readers wrote to note Larry Ellison's comments about launching an Oracle Linux Distro (great! yet another!) and that Oracle has/is also looking at purchasing Novell. The great shake-out continues.

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221 comments

yay (5, Funny)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142054)

Oracle Novell SuSE Desktop Linux!

Re:yay (-1, Troll)

IntelliAdmin (941633) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142069)

I only have to say this is a perfect match. Everything both of these companies has done so far has been a disaster. Lets watch both of them slowly go down the drain. The only pain will be the damage to the Novell linux distro

Re:yay (5, Funny)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142091)

hey, that's GNU/Oracle-Novell-SuSE Desktop Linux!! GnoranoveSuSE?

Re:yay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142106)

"hey, that's GNU/Oracle-Novell-SuSE Desktop Linux..."
 
...you insenstive clod!

Re:yay (1, Funny)

moro_666 (414422) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142221)

Orall Linux ...

Suse suse for 5 dollars ? :p

here goes my excellent karma, but i just had to say it ...

Re:yay (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142410)

GnoranoveSuSE? Isn't that a STD?

Re:yay (5, Insightful)

utlemming (654269) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142127)

Better yet, just imagine how this would have some serious impact on our friends at SCO? They thought they were taking on IBM, and Novell got into the mix, but with an acquistian by Oracle you would have SCO up against IBM and Oracle -- two heavy weights. To really make it painful, Larry Ellision is not known for being a nice business man.

Re:yay (2, Insightful)

gclef (96311) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142205)

Nononono, it's Oracle Web Novell Enterprise Desktop.

Re:yay (1, Funny)

YU Nicks NE Way (129084) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142290)

Nah -- that's SuSe/Novell/Oracle Desktop Linux, or SNOracle Desktop Linux for short. (Which will quickly get renamed "SnorDebacle", after the combined company starts using Debian's technology, too.)

Re:yay (2, Interesting)

antarctican (301636) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142406)

We ditched Red Hat when they dropped their free distribution in favour of Fredora (really, what business wants to rely on a distro with a version life cycle of a few months?)

So we went to SuSE because it had a longer upgrade cycle. Why am I filled with dread the moment I read the title, why can I see Oracle doing the same with SuSE that Red Hat did with it's distro - the free one becomes their test version with the public as beta testers.

Well, I guess this means I can finally convince my boss to switch to Debian.

Re:yay (1)

fallungus (810282) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142604)

Hasn't that already happened [opensuse.org] ?

Re:yay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142502)

Novell Oracle SuSE Desktop Linux: NOS/DL. Also known as "Return of the Cyber".

Re:yay (1)

plopez (54068) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142524)

Running PeopleSoft... *shudders* .....

Not another distribution. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142058)

Gentoo and Ubuntu ought to be enough for anyone. That's it. No more corporate Linuxes.

Re:Not another distribution. (3, Informative)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142104)

Gentoo and Ubuntu ought to be enough for anyone. That's it. No more corporate Linuxes.

What?

What about Debian? (Ubuntu would have trouble without debian to fork every six months)

What about Redhat? (They sponsor alot of stuff that goes into both Gentoo and Ubuntu)

The great thing about linux is that people can go and do their own thing as much as they want - who cares if there's another distro - all the good bits will be ported back to Distro-you-use (tm).

Frankly, I think Oracle Linux would be great (even if I'd never use it). Loads of corporations are vaguely interested in linux to run oracle on to save on the costs of Sun Hardware. An oracle CD they just pop into their drive, where everything just works would make life easier for them and smooth corporate acceptance of other OSS.

Re:Not another distribution. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142143)

I bet you liked having boot disks to play all those DOS games, too. (Yes, I've seen your nick and I don't believe you limited your game playing to Myst, Bolo, Marathon, and Spectre.)

You run Oracle on Ubuntu, which is basically the replacement on Debian. You run everything on Ubuntu and it runs better than a commercial Linux. If everyone ran Ubuntu the world would be so much better. Imagine one central repository where everything could be collected, supported, and distributed. It'd be... just as perfectly-functional as Mac OS X, and Free as well!

Re:Not another distribution. (0, Flamebait)

spiritraveller (641174) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142258)

Gentoo and Ubuntu ought to be enough for anyone. That's it. No more corporate Linuxes.

Ubuntu, like RedHat, is maintained by a for-profit corporation whose goal is to make money for its shareholders.

SHOCKERS!

Not quite... (3, Informative)

foreverdisillusioned (763799) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142585)

As far as I know, the Ubuntu foundation operates independently of Canonical, Ltd. Canonical could pull all support for Ubuntu in favor of Ubuntu Enterprise Edition (a la Red Hat), but free Ubuntu would live on because Canonical can't take away the Ubuntu Foundation's $10,000,000+ war chest.

You should also note the grandparent's use of the word corporate. Red Hat is indeed a publically traded corporation, while Canonical is a privately held Limited Partnership. There's a big difference between those two when it comes to legal rights, shareholder obligations, and overall evil-ness.

Re:Not another distribution. (2, Insightful)

jonasj (538692) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142600)

No, Ubuntu is maintained by a non-profit foundation, that gets a lot of funding from a corporation that exists to fund and promote open source software -- not to make money for it's shareholder (not shareholders, since there is only one).

Re:Not another distribution. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142280)

No one needs gentoo. That some think they do just goes to show that script kiddies are idiots.

LFS should be enough for anyone (4, Funny)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142727)

Only pansys need a distro.. be a man and do it yourself..

Ok, so im only kidding. somewhat.

Oracle db over netware (1, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142065)

Schweet, I can't wait...

That's been out for a while. (2, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142115)

Oracle on NetWare beens out for a while now.
http://www.orafaq.com/faqnetwr.htm [orafaq.com]

Personally, I think that it would be a bad move for Oracle to attempt to expand into the desktop OS/app market. They don't have the experience at that level.

Re:That's been out for a while. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142195)

Personally, I think that it would be a bad move for Oracle to attempt to expand into the desktop OS/app market. They don't have the experience at that level.
 
A company which has no experience in a given area tends to purchase another company that does have that experience. Which is why Novell purchased Suse in the first place.. It worked incredibly well for them, and it might have the same effect for Oracle..

Re:That's been out for a while. (3, Insightful)

bernywork (57298) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142639)

Umm Oracle Financials [oracle.com] , the complete design and implementation, full Java front end, a complete dev environment [oracle.com] ... So they have an application dev environment, and all the applications they put out, now including PeopleSoft.

Oracle supports Novell / Suse, Asianux and RHES as it stands now. [oracle.com] As well as doing code contributions back to the kernel. Admittedly this is predominantly to do with their clustered file system, and some of the memory allocation stuff, but still, it's better than some. They also run a number of their servers on Linux as well. They would have to have one of the biggest commercial Linux installations around at the moment.

So; they are doing application development on Linux, Linux kernel work, supporting the operating system through 3 or so distributions and a number of iterations thereof...

Really, why not just buy Novell / Suse and take their staff who can help to support it, and who are doing exactly that now?!?

whatevar (2, Funny)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142129)

I'm running DBase II over Banyan Vines.

Re:whatevar (1)

Maljin Jolt (746064) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142485)

I'm running DBase II over Banyan Vines.

Cool. Now I feel quite ashamed with my dBaseIII over LANtastic.

Novell has been for sale for years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142071)

Novell has been trying to sell itself for a long time. Periodically there's rumors about IBM them. Bottom line is that they're mostly a legacy company and nobody wants them.

Re:Novell has been for sale for years (2, Funny)

Vlad_the_Inhaler (32958) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142089)

You make them sound like Caldera. At least they have the rights to Unix.

oracle tuned (4, Informative)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142073)

RedHat and SuSE are the usual "enterprise" distros that have tweaks for running Oracle, but Redhat dominates. wonder how threatened RedHat would be if Oracle bought and pushed SuSE. Oracle has had a problem in the past four years of trying to make integrated features that really were best left to third party, like for example oracle filesystem and oracle clustering, which are shakier and more trouble to admin than 3rd party.

Re:oracle tuned (4, Insightful)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142321)

RedHat and SuSE are the usual "enterprise" distros that have tweaks for running Oracle, but Redhat dominates. wonder how threatened RedHat would be if Oracle bought and pushed SuSE. Oracle has had a problem in the past four years of trying to make integrated features that really were best left to third party, like for example oracle filesystem and oracle clustering, which are shakier and more trouble to admin than 3rd party.

RedHat threatened? How about Sun Microsystems?

Back in the day, Sun's Solaris was the target for Oracle. Every other platform was a port of it, and reportedly not as good. I've only used Oracle on Solaris for big and important DBs.

I've thought for years that Oracle should be an OS because an Oracle box is not going to be doing much else anyway. Oracle has its own filesystem, redundancy, clustering, you name it. Many of Oracle's "big boy" features are blurred between what an application does and what an OS does. Its common that the first thing you do when you install oracle is modify the OS to allow for Oracle to work. Most importantly, its the shared memory parameters of the OS that needs to be modified (or at least used to as of version 10).

Having an Oracle OS seems inevitable. With Linux its more than possible.

Re:oracle tuned (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142605)

"Oracle has its own filesystem, redundancy, clustering, you name it. Many of Oracle's "big boy" features are blurred between what an application does and what an OS does."

Yes , but compared to what an OS does thats still high(ish) level stuff. An Oracle
DB doesn't catch hardware interrupts, doesn't set the data bus up for DMA, doesn't
negotiate plug & play , doesn't in fact do any really to-the-metal type stuff. Just
because Oracle does a few OS-ish type things , don't for a minute assume its anything
close to being an operating system. If anything its more like a VM with knobs on.

Re:oracle tuned (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142683)

Sun sells Linux with its boxes if you really want it. and they are perfecting libraries to allow Linux apps to run on Solaris, in a vm-like partition for isolation if you want it. So Z just see Sun continuing to be an Oracle partner even if an Oracle distro comes out, just as Oracle will still sell Oracle for Windows and all the other major OS.

Novell's new tagline (1, Interesting)

path_man (610677) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142081)

Novell's new tagline should be: We're the most rumored acquisition in Nasdaq! Seriously, what major corp hasn't been rumored to buy them? HP from wayyyyy back, IBM before the whole SCO thing, Cisco...

I'm no 'net historian, but in this geek's memory, it sure seems Novell keeps coming out as low-hanging acquisition fruit. But then buyers get up close and realize "Hey, this fruit is rotten!"

Re:Novell's new tagline (5, Funny)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142207)

Naw, not rotten. Novell is a good company. Stable, boring.

It's more of a pinecone. Nobody is sure what to do with it.

Re:Novell's new tagline (1)

path_man (610677) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142291)

Well said! I didn't mean rotten in the sense their products are junk... just that nobody can bring themselves to "pick" them. Okay, now I have to go wash due to excessive bad analogy usage...

Re:Novell's new tagline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142341)

Nobody's buying Novell because Novell is living on past glories without much of a future. What do you get by purchasing Novell? A bunch of old NetWare customers, all somewhere in the process of migrating away to something else -- usually NOT Suse Linux. And a bunch of half-assed Linux R&D stuff with no business model.

Novell like likely eventually spin SuSE anyway and sell the core business to Computer Associates or some other legacy graveyard.

Is it just me? (4, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142082)

Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the IT companies don't get Linux and OSS.

Hint to Larry (and IBM, HP, Novell, etc): Work together on a single distribution of Linux if you want to get rid of Microsoft. Commoditize the OS and make your money providing services and software on top of it.

Re:Is it just me? (3, Interesting)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142119)

Hint to Larry (and IBM, HP, Novell, etc): Work together on a single distribution of Linux if you want to get rid of Microsoft.

Hint to pubjames: Larry, IBM, HP, Novell and all the others would go to bed with Microsoft without any moral qualms if it was profitable for them and if it wasn't a dangerous move in the long run.

Apples & Oranges (4, Insightful)

MudButt (853616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142124)

Work together on a single distribution of Linux if you want to get rid of Microsoft

I don't think their goal is to get rid of Microsoft, per say. When you buy an automobile, you have the choices ranging from sedans to minivans to heavy duty trucks. Does the Ford F350 really "compete" with a Honda Civic? Does a person purchase a vehicle and decide between the two of those? Not for the most part. For the most part, I've seen IT professionals pick the right tool for the job. When I need to deploy a Microsoft solution, it's usually because it's the best fit for the job. When I need to deploy and Linux solution, it's usually because it's the best fit for the job.

IMHO, there are very few instances where and educated IT professional could actually have to compare a MS or OSS solution in the same way a car buyer would compare a Ford F350 and Honda Civic.

Re:Apples & Oranges (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142277)

When I need to deploy a Microsoft solution, it's usually because it's the best fit for the job.

So you have people at your company who spend all their time gaming?

Re:Apples & Oranges (1)

MudButt (853616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142512)

So you have people at your company who spend all their time gaming?

LOL, I know you're probably joking... But here it goes anyway. We currently implement Windows for the following:

- Lotus Notes Client [ibm.com]
- Macola Progression [exactamerica.com]
- ACT! Premium for Workgroups [act.com]
- AutoCAD Mechanical [autodesk.com]
- Macromedia Studio [macromedia.com]

Those are just the apps off the top of my head. And I work in the manufacturing industry, so my scope is even limited in that respect. I'm sure there are other companies running Windows only apps.

Again, you're comment was probably in jest... At least I hope so! =)

Re:Apples & Oranges (2, Informative)

wtansill (576643) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142490)

I don't think their goal is to get rid of Microsoft, per say. When you buy an automobile, you have the choices ranging from sedans to minivans to heavy duty trucks. Does the Ford F350 really "compete" with a Honda Civic?
I think you miss the point. The reason that M$ has been wildly successful ("success" being defined by the fact that they own > 90% of the desktop space) is that they came out with a standard way to interface with the underlying system (yeah, I know -- 16/32 bit API's. Still...). To my knowledge, Linux hasn't achieved that. Part of that is by design -- the folks who do Suse have a different vison than the folks who do say, Mandrake. Still, if you want to dislodge M$ and have far greater desktop penetration, you need to have a standard to which various vendors can write.

If I'm missing something, please feel free to enlighten me.

Re:Apples & Oranges (1)

MudButt (853616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142588)

Still, if you want to dislodge M$ and have far greater desktop penetration, you need to have a standard to which various vendors can write.

I guess this is the idea I'm questioning. Is Novell/IBM/Oracle/HP/'s goal to "have far greater desktop penetration"? I don't see that. The server/networking environment is the bread and butter for these companies. I think their goal is to get an easy to install, point and click, stable distro for their servers which also gives the System Admin the ability to tweak and customize on a green screen to their heart's content. I don't know about you guys, but I LOVE being able to drop into root and play on my production systems. (j/k). But seriously, the ability to mold the environment for your individual needs is something I can only do in Linux. The desktop? I don't see that as a big concern. We pay $99 for an OEM copy of XP. It's the SQL Server / Windows Server 2003 / Visual Studio licenses that kick our a$$.

A bit more of that. (1)

khasim (1285) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142149)

Hint to Larry (and IBM, HP, Novell, etc): Work together on a single distribution of Linux if you want to get rid of Microsoft. Commoditize the OS and make your money providing services and software on top of it.
You don't even have to work together. Just identify the items that would prevent YOUR company from migrating to Linux and work with various teams focused on those areas to bring them up to where YOU would feel comfortable deploying it.

If you're too tied to MS Office then contact the OpenOffice.org people and help with that.

If the desktop isn't 100% the way you want it, then contact the GNOME or KDE people and help with that.

You get the results you want at a FRACTION of the price of "buying" a whole distribution.

Stay agnostic. Focus on the apps/functionality YOU need. Don't focus on a specific distribution or distributor.

Re:Is it just me? (1)

solap (968945) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142206)

that would resonate with larry and the boys if the common goal were solely to eliminate microsoft. it doesn't work if the real goal is for each to supplant microsoft. that has always been the real goal for the anti-microsoft crowd.

Re:Is it just me? (1)

sperm (916223) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142293)

Wasnt it United Linux [unitedlinux.com] ? What happened to that?!?? I guess its been dead/stagnant for 3 years now...

Fragmentation (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142088)

SuSE is starting to be come fragmented from so many changes. Oracle would only be able to further complicate SuSE development. There have been many core changes since Novell bought SuSE and if gives SuSE that patched together feeling. Companies can't keep doing this to SuSE customers. SuSE customers need a stable reliable platform to develop upon.

Re:Fragmentation (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142646)

If SuSE customers need that, they can move over to Redhat, it obviously doesn't bother the majority of them or they would've jumped ship long ago.

So now we can look forward to... (3, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142096)

"We're missing an operating system. You could argue that it makes a lot of sense for us to look at distributing and supporting Linux."

Ladies and Gentlemen, Larry Ellison proudly presents -- Orix!

I for one am not jumping on this bandwagon, because Larry is driving and I don't think he has one hand firmly on the wheel as it is. This is a shotgun marriage and isn't liable to make Oracle any more competitive with Microsoft in the forseeable future. He should have probably done this 5 years ago.

Re:So now we can look forward to... (1)

wild_berry (448019) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142282)

I'm not convinced that they understand that this is 'free' software which they can take and make their own editions of. It may be that Oracle want a brand to be well-known to businesses, but I think that Oracle Linux running Oracle Desktop Linux would be better for market awareness of Oracle than Oracle supplying Novell Suse Desktop Linux.

Re:So now we can look forward to... (1)

topher1kenobe (2041) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142483)

Bug Report:

perl -e "print qq|I'd have to be pretty dumb to execute sig code!\n|;"

returns

-bash: !\n: event not found

It should be:

perl -e "print qq|I'd have to be pretty dumb to execute sig code\!\n|;"

Now if I can figure out why my hard drive is thrashing so badly...

Re:So now we can look forward to... (1)

dugjohnson (920519) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142715)

That would be Oryx.....from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oryx [wikipedia.org] An Oryx is one of three or four large antelope species of the genus Oryx, typically having long straight nearly upright horns...

The Oryx, when seen from the side, appears to have only one single horn which leads to speculations that it is probably the animal initially mistaken for Unicorn myths.

So a horned mythical operating system is in the offing.

FT and eweek links (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142099)

FT link [ft.com]

eweek.com link [eweek.com]

In other news (5, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142100)

Mysql and postgresql are mysteriously missing from SuSE after the acquisition

Re:In other news (1)

MudButt (853616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142181)

Mysql and postgresql are mysteriously missing from SuSE after the acquisition

I wouldn't worry too much. Although I don't have data to support this, I believe that the majority of SuSE supporters are running either MySQL or PostgreSQL in their environments.

Could Novell/Oracle really afford to have the thousands [suseforums.net] of enthusiests [suselinuxsupport.de] jump ship? These people provide the majority of the technical support and development to OpenSuSE. If they did exclude two of the highest profiled RDMSs, it would be the end of SuSE. Period.

Re:In other news (0)

bmo (77928) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142269)

"Could Novell/Oracle really afford to have the thousands of enthusiests jump ship?"

I did. I did when Novell made noises that they were going to stop supporting KDE on SuSE. I still haven't seen <b>any</b> reason to go back. This latest development made it crystal clear to me that I should plan on not ever going back. With Oracle in the mix, there will be even more cooks to spoil the broth, and this Novell/SuSE broth has become pretty nasty as it is.

--
BMO

Re:In other news (3, Insightful)

Vlad_the_Inhaler (32958) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142369)

You overreacted. KDE is still very much supported on SuSE. Why jump ship based on a rumour of what someone might possibly do when you can just as easily jump ship later if they ever actually do it. I am on OpenSuSE 10.0 now and the water is just fine.

Years ago I was worried that what I was doing did not have much of a future and was looking at retraining doing something else. In the end I decided to carry on with what I was already specialised in and cross that bridge (retraining) when I came to it. I am still working on the same platform 20 years later, still worried that it is going to run out at some point but have noticed that some of the alternatives I was looking at back then no longer exist.

Don't panic.

Re:In other news (2, Funny)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142404)

I did. I did when Novell made noises that they were going to stop supporting KDE on SuSE.

And yet YaST remains written in Qt... An annoying move on SuSE's part...

Its strange (1)

T-Ranger (10520) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142356)

Over the last month or so I've been demoing ZENWorks (for desktops). "Out of the box", installing the management component of zfd on Linux (OES/SUSE), it installs sybase as the backend for the inventory database. Documentation describs how to configure the inventory system to use Oracle and MSSQL on Windows, with ODBC. This is undocumented on the Linux side, which might indicate its not possible to use an alternative DB, or at least that its not supported.

Novell Audit, out of the box, supports MySQL, which is to say that the install process will install mysql, and the documentation covers configuring mysql, in addition to configuring Audit to use it. The documentation covers using Oracle, MSSQL, and JDBC in general, which is to say configuring Audit to use them.

So which is it, Novell? Is your default database of choice MySQL, or Sybase? If MySQL is good enough for a secure logging system, surely it is good enough for deskop inventory. Why do you think its a good idea to bundle YA database with ZFD when you know that the two linux distros you supoort (SUSE9 and OES1) ship with MySQL?

Novell definitly has a lot of internal struggles going on (gnome/kde, java/mono), but it should at least be able to provide a consistent level of inconsistencies.

Personal Vendetta (1)

groovy.ambuj (870307) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142107)

I'll say the proposal of new distro lacks much substance and looks more like driven from Larry's desire to match/surpass Gates. Larry is known to pursue such deals to completion against (almost) everyone else's wish. This decision too is certainly not one of those to taken to reward shareholders.

Personally, (1)

robyannetta (820243) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142114)

Personally, I think IBM should buy Novell.

That would put a nail in the "SCO vs The World" coffin.

Re:Personally, (1)

Monkey-Man2000 (603495) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142260)

On the other hand, Oracle could want Novell so that they can make Novell no longer back IBM on the SCO vs. IBM case. This would potentially leave Oracle with the only legitimate Linux distribution and stack of enterprise software. It may be an added bonus for Ellison's ego and too sweet an opportunity to pass up.

Re:Personally, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142489)

that's not going to happen.
SCO can't win. even if Novell disappeared, they'd still lose.
there are too many other reasons.

IBM is gonna crush them. plain and simple.

I don't see anybody buying out IBM any year soon.

PS my image test word today was "easter" ! ;)

Another Distro? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142121)

Great! Another incarnation of Linux that NOBODY WILL USE (ok, the 1000 people or so that use it don't count because they'll be screaming so loud how great their distro is that they'll become part of the "Linux Roar") Linux doesn't suck, it just disappoints. When are people going to get freedom choice doesn't equal 20,000 partly working versions of a product? That's actually less freedom than 2 mostly working choices. Or, the freedom arguement that always falls apart when trying to get a soundcard or wireless to work...you've got to use this one, or this one, or this one, but not this one! BUT THEY ALL SHOULD WORK with a REAL OS!!! It's not really freedom of choice if you're locked into hardware choices that someone else has made, now is it? The wireless thing is hilarious too! The only consistently working drivers method uses drivers written for...WINDOWS!!! What would the l33t hax0rz do without windows drivers, huh?

Re:Another Distro? (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142421)

You're right, can you please post instructions on getting XP to work on a 17" PowerBook G4 and a Sun 10000E ... I want a REAL OS (tm) too!!! You dime a dozen MCSE, point-and-click "techies" make me laugh. Bet you'd shit your pants if somebody took your precious precious mouse away. Oh btw, this is 2006, your driver crap logic hasn't been true since the last time Microsoft was over $30 a share.

Re:Another Distro? (4, Informative)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142690)

driver crap isn't true? That's funny, my linksys/cisco card won't load on linux without using windows drivers, and it's till a crapshoot at best going about it that way.

If I had a PowerBook G4, I'd load OSX onto it. If I had a Sun 10000E I'd load Solaris onto it, and you can bet your ass everyone else who bought one will too. Last I checked, when you drop 6 figures on a server you want support.

That being said, your point is moot. Knowing I can run linux on a powerbook doesn't chang ethe fact my wireless doesn't work for shit. YOU are all that is wrong with linux right now. Instead of saying "hey, you're right, that's a problem we really need to fix" it's "well f you, that doesn't matter it's not important because of this and this and this". Stop patting yourself on the back, and stop trying to brush a serious problem under the rug. I can only be happy people like yourself aren't running the show or linux would've never made it out of Linus's dorm room.

XANDROS would be a much better buy (4, Interesting)

LINM (255706) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142138)

Xandros would be a much more appropriate acquisition:

1) Best in class business desktop
      -Best desktop: LinuxWorld best business product
      -Focused on the business user (vs the Novell Gnome focused desktop that is more all-purpose / home user market)
      -Designed to provide an easy transition for Windows users (vs all of the other distros - more below)

2) Best in class Linux "business" server
      -The new Xandros server offers the print serving, file serving, network management needed to run small businesses. I
      -Provides unique capabilities (apart from Microsoft) that would instantly differentiate Oracle from all the other "me-too" Linux players
      -Designed to provide an easy transition for Windows users (vs all of the other distros - more below)

3) Better strategic fit
      -Xandros is a pure play in the Linux area and would not come with the "hair" and unwanted, sub-leading products that Oracle would pick up from Novell (and have to pay for)
      -Xandros comes on top of the Debian server architecture. This would be an immediate and powerful win for Oracle to pick up the Debian Server base.
      -Top business focused engineering team with long track record of efficient engineering (that delivered the award winning Corel Linux Desktop)
      -Xandros was founded as an Simple Compatible replacement for Windows and Microsoft solutions that would provide an easy transition for Microsft users. Compared to the other Linux distros that have been laboring hard to create a new better product albeit alien to the marketplace. This company has not deviated from this strategy (plans for this server were announced years ago).

Re:XANDROS would be a much better buy (2, Informative)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142248)

Well, I'd disagree with your (otherwise valid) reasoning for one issue - Novell has a world-class network admin software (Zen, I believe) and a whole host of people still running NetWare. I think from an Oracle perspective, that would be more tasty than a desktop like Xandros (which I haven't honestly tried) that is percieved to be more of a home-based system.

Re:XANDROS is a pile of crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142271)

You're on crack right??

Xandros is about kin to linspire. if it can even be that good.

I used it for a while (all of about an hour)

it was the worst pile of dreck I've ever seen. (next to linspire)

even red hat was better than this crapola.

PS I also hate debian and gentoo... I dont see a reason for them to exist actually.

Just use SUSE.

Re:XANDROS is a pile of crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142296)

Looks like the GNOME anonymous flameheads are back.

Re:XANDROS would be a much better buy (2, Interesting)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142602)

Xandros is a modified Debian - not a totally separate distribution like SuSE (I know, they stopped the mixed-case capitalization, but I like the dropped u). So, "buying" Xandros really wounld't be the same thing. They wouldn't really be getting a whole distro, just a team of people who modify someone else's distro. Xandros would not necesarily be "bad", but with Novell, they'd get the actual point of origination for a distro. And Novell has a bunch of other cool stuff beyond SuSE, like the zen management things and a big respected (generally) name, among others...

Nevermind, of course, that Ubuntu's better than Xandros (Corel didn't go away because it was a great distro). ;)

Benefits vs Dangers (1)

xzvf (924443) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142157)

Big company supporting Linux...Yea Oracle support for Linux...Good already Larry owned a big chunk of the Linux market...??? It's likely we'll shake out to two enterprise Linux distributions. Just to hard for the majority of large companies to roll and support their own distribution. Most companies will outsource their open source participation. Interesting comparisions on the market from two big companies. IBM is divesting from commodity software to open source (Websphere Community Edition/Apache Geronimo, Cloudscape/Apache Derby) Plus they've never attempted to build their own distribution, or buy a distribution company (both of wich could have been easily done). Oracle is buying open source companies and building a commodity stack. Possibly to have control of where and how their products perform. Buying Novell would give them an OS, plus a bunch of other stuff including headaches. Red Hat (a very small company) is building an open source software stack and trying to turn it all into a commodity. Kind of like Dell with desktop/laptop hardware, except with software. They are trying to be the best support and packaging for stuff you can get off the shelf. Interesting business models.

Does this move make sense? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142161)

If Oracle does indeed proceed with its version of Linux, either from acquiring a Linux firm or rolling out its own, it will no doubt be competing with MS. Oracle has had many battles with MS in the
past [windowsitpro.com] , but there hasn't been much development recently.

I wonder if there's a more personal side (Ellison vs Gates) to this decision or does this decision make commerical sense. It would be bad if this move distracts Oracle from their main competitive advantage: databases.

The other possibility is that it may be thinking of a Use-our-OS-and-our-app-will-run-better tactic.

Why stop there? (4, Funny)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142168)

Hell, let's get Sun into this deal somehow too! Then we could have the trifecta of old school struggling tech companies bound by a hatred of Microsoft.

Re:Why stop there? (1)

OneFix at Work (684397) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142469)

Actually, I haven't heard anything about the Apple / Sun merger [erik.co.uk] recently...the origonal deal fell through, but it always comes up from time to time...

trifecta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142518)

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Rumors preempted (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142171)

Rumors of a Novell buyout by Oracle were pre-empted today when Redhat officially announced their aquisition of Novell.

It seems, though that all may not be lost for Oracle. Redhat has indicated that Novell will sell off their Suse division before the Redhat-Novell merger is completed.

"We have been trying to work this deal for a long time," said the head janitor at Redhat's Sao Paulo, Brazil offices. "Why do you think we ejected 'Fedora Directory Services'? We're ready to push eDirectory to its full potential!"

Officials at Oracle did not comment. But a chair was heard smashing against a wall in Redmond, WA.

;mod 0p (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142193)

to underscore bad for *BSD. As if I remain parties). at THE of open-source. charnelD house. are tied up in Performing.' Even are about 7000/5

Re:;mod 0p (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142353)

I've been saying this for years and no one will listen!

This is a great idea... (1)

DeionXxX (261398) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142212)

This is a great idea. All of the Oracle installations I'm currently managing are running a version of Linux. This requires that not only do we need a good dba, but a linux administrator to maintain those machines. Luckily, we have other linux machines so we didn't need to hire a new guy just to manage the new linux boxes. With the new Oracle Linux Distribution, Oracle would provide the support, updates, etc for the OS, so we wouldn't need to have a full time guy to test software upgrades with our current Oracle installations, or to troubleshoot errors. This would solve a lot of headaches, and get more companies to use Oracle and Linux.

Re:This is a great idea... (4, Interesting)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142334)

so we wouldn't need to have a full time guy to test software upgrades with our current Oracle installations, or to troubleshoot errors

LOL. You've never worked with Oracle software have you? They have a very hard time releasing patches, much less testing them. I've spent dozens of hours on the phone with RH, IBM, Oracle, etc, and Oracle are the _last_ people you ever want to due to their gross incompetence and intentional disregard for anything you might know or claim to know.

Re:This is a great idea... (1)

QAChaos (793637) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142487)

yeah my co workers also thought this was a good idea but that was in 1999 when Oracle just came out with a database for linux....we were hoping that they would come out with their own distribution with the database already installed and tweaked .... I guess better late than never .... I also remember on the first version of the database they misspelled linux and then on the next version they said the database was for the linus operating system. QAK

hypocrites (2, Insightful)

towsonu2003 (928663) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142252)

FTFA:
"We're missing an operating system. You could argue that it makes a lot of sense for us to look at distributing and supporting Linux."
Well, if you want to support Linux, give money to Linux-related open source projects you like. Coming up with a new distro with the argument of "supporting Linux" is not logical.

PS. I know and support the argument that the huge number of distros is a benefit of Linux. But an Oracle Distro? I don't buy that...

Say it isn't so! (2, Interesting)

Horatio_Hellpop (926706) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142257)

Novell Suse Linux 10.0 is the *FIRST* and *ONLY* desktop distro I've tried (RHEL, FC4, Mandriva, Linspire, Ubuntu) that has properly detected all my hardware and installed with barely any tweaking.

It's been a dream.

Novell ... please don't let Oracle destory it! Please!

Why? (3, Interesting)

geoff lane (93738) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142263)

Why would Oracle want Novell? A company like Oracle could knock up a Linux distro in a short time but why bother when they could just cross-license for a fraction of the cost. Do they want the residual Novell netware customers? Unlikely. Is it just a case of "because we can"?

But when Novell and IBM have finally kicked The SCO Groups butt, Novell ends up with a clear legal right to Unix. A paranoid person might wonder if Oracle is after Unix for some reason.

Re:Why? (1)

dmorelli (615543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142473)

A company like Oracle could knock up a Linux distro in a short time but why bother

It seems to me it's similar to free web-based projects getting bought (like Craigs, Bloglines). The buyer is interested in the customers. In this case, the companies (and I guess individuals) who are already committed and/or excited about SuSE.

Identity Management (2, Insightful)

The Second Horseman (121958) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142360)

The bigger issue for Oracle isn't Linux, it's Novell's Identity Manager product - it's the best in the market. Oracle has been buying a lot of companies in the space, so they have 3 (or is it 4?) products, none integrated, with no clear future direction for folks buying a product.

Oracle has been going to a lot of trouble to shove Novell's IDM out of shops by pressuring sites to switch to their identity management product lately.

Of course, this could just be "Crazy Larry" trying to get IBM to blow a lot of cash buying Novell to prevent Oracle from controlling the intellectual property at issue in the SCO case.

I see something alot more sinister. (2, Interesting)

saur2004 (801688) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142370)

OK let say Oracle buys Novel. The first thing they could do, is use their much more substantial and well funded coral of land sharks in Novels fight against SCO. OK now lets say they win. Now Oracle can say they own UNIX IP outright.

And now we get SCO round 2, but with a far more powerful and well-funded bank of land sharks.

Personally... (1)

sillypixie (696077) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142383)

... before Oracle heads down yet another purchasing road, I'd like to see something done with their marketing and sales group - something consistent with the fact that this company is no longer only a database company. My suggestion would be to fire them all and bring in people who are willing to learn and be flexible, instead of the entrenched backbiters they have now.

I'd like to see the user communities that formed around COREid, Xcellerate, and other identity-related software get some support corporately.

I'd like to see the corporate blogging policy reversed, so that the people who are passionate about the software they write can communicate to the people who want to learn about it.

I'd like to see products who previously had 50 discussion forum groups and their own conferences, user groups, and mailing lists be brought back from post-purchase back alleys, where they are lucky if they share a discussion group with 6 other products, and where they are lost in the expanse of generic sugary topics at OpenWorld, on oracle.com, and inside metalink.

If Larry really wants his all-encompassing stack to dominate, he's going to have to learn to communicate, not only through his sales and marketing force, but through the bright minds at his own company.

Get with it Larry, or Oracle will inherit CA's title - the place where good software goes to die.

Pixie

Not a good move (2, Interesting)

Ian.Waring (591380) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142416)

The #1 thing that Linux gives to users (that they value highly) is choice of hardware and software on commodity (read: Intel or AMD) platforms. From a commercial subscription market share perspective, it's just about game over; Red Hat is up there in 90% plus land with SUSE collecting almost all of the few remaining crumbs.

To date, Novell is stronger on PR (Google search volumes on "SUSE" are almost at Red Hat levels) but are struggling really badly to monetise this.

The best thing that Oracle could do would be to support both equally. As stupid as it sounds, everyones best interest is served by having two (or more) Linux distributions duking it out.

Read the article again (2, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142498)

FTFA: Oracle had considered buying Novell Inc

The way I read it, it means: We looked at buying Novell, but instead will be launching our own Linux distribution.

Oh and they are "considering" their own distro. So to sum the article up: business as usual.

Absolute no decisions are taken and most likely nothing will happen. If this were about Microsoft, the whole article would be called FUD.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Re:Read the article again (1)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142714)

This is just the "Oh shit, we were going to buy JBoss and kill it off, but Red Hat bought it and saved it last week, let's try to intimidate the market now so people know that we are powerful and no one else can dare compete." With so many companies moving to JBoss and other alternatives, including open source databases, Larry Ellison is shitting himself fearing that he may never become richer than Bill Gates. Novell is already known for making good product lines deteriorate, and you're starting to see that in Suse, if Oracle buys Novell then you'll just see the whole distro collapse. Oracle can do databases well, but never did supporting utitilities well. Larry would also want Suse locked down so that everything only works with Oracle products, that is the way Larry thinks... he hates alternatives, and he'll do what he can to stop you or dissaude you from running MySql or Postgres.
Regards,
Steve

i'm just guessing how it'd called (3, Funny)

C0vardeAn0nim0 (232451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142550)

maybe "Larinx".

"larry" plus "*nix", got it ? no ? well, whatever.

Novell to be bought out? (1)

FridayBob (619244) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142551)

I used to be a CNE 3/4/5 before Novell became almost irrelevant, but this is the first news I've heard that they might be bought out by another company. Many people have said that Novell's fall from grace was their own fault, but knowing Microsoft, in the end I don't think their was anything Novell could have done about it.

If Novell does get relegated to the history books, I'll be sorry to see them go. I still like the way NDS (um, eDirectory) works and would love to see an open source alternative to it appear. Well, I suppose LDAP could do the trick, but it's still comparatively fiddly to work with and support for it needs to be much more widespread.

As for Oracle, they've got lots of money, so if Larry wants to acquire Novell in order to use their expertise to start building Linux systems using SuSE, eDirectory and Oracle, that sounds fine to me!

Larry: just retire (0, Troll)

penguin-collective (932038) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142557)

Oracle was a one-time deal--a combination of excellent timing for bringing out an RDBMS, good business skills, and a lot of luck. I don't think Ellison has it in him to repeat the success. And if he did, he wouldn't be futzing around buying FOSS operating systems, he'd come up with a new idea and found a new company.

Re:Larry: just retire (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142623)

eh? have you seen Oracle's financials, profitable making money hand over fist.

Why.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15142596)

..none of these linux distros has included a "PDC Install" option yet befuddles me. I've spent too much time trying to get this to work, and there are plenty of working versions out there, just in too limited a form. Even just a launch wizard to get started would be nice. And they wonder why SOHOs haven't embraced them at all.

I would welcome Larry's takeover of Novell.... (1)

DiamondGeezer (872237) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142601)

...for many reasons. Principally so he can lay waste to the most incompetent fucknozzles ever to wear a suit. Internal slogan: "Novell: The leading provider of useless managers" Sharpen that axe Larry and call me for I have a little list....

I just wrote about this (2, Insightful)

MarkWatson (189759) | more than 8 years ago | (#15142660)

I blogged about this today: the next step in the commoditization of operating systems: application and tool vendors include the operating system and every thing in one complete software stack.

This is not as crazy as I might have thought a few years ago because of virtualization tools like Xen (etc.) However, if companies like Oracle start selling the 'whole stack' I hope that they offer versions that are built for Xen.
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