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Dvorak Avocates Open Sourcing OS X

Zonk posted about 8 years ago | from the jigga-whaa dept.

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xzvf writes "Dvorak claims OS X and Apple in trouble. He suggests open sourcing OS X for an epic battle with Linux. In many ways, this is just insane rambling, but it's certainly entertaining on some levels." From the article: "That would make the battle between OS X and Linux the most interesting one on the computer scene. With all attention turned in that direction, there would be nothing Microsoft could do to stem a reversal of its fortunes. Let's start at the beginning. There's been a lot of fuss over Apple's rollout of the unsupported Boot Camp product, which lets Mac users run Microsoft Windows easily on an Intel-based Macintosh. I got into various levels of trouble when I suggested that Apple was going to gravitate towards Windows since it would be easy to do and there was some evidence that the company might want to do it."

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Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) (3, Insightful)

RunFatBoy.net (960072) | about 8 years ago | (#15150979)

There have been several instances where I would have liked to step into a Cocoa API call to see what's going on behind the scenes, but was not able to. The Cocoa API is part of what the Mac experience is built upon, so Apple is not going to open up this library. But from a developer's standpoint, it is frustrating to have it closed.

Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) (1)

Douglas Simmons (628988) | about 8 years ago | (#15150990)

Like the story notes, running Mac OS on Macs was also what Mac was built upon, so don't count on it staying closed.

Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) (2, Funny)

IntelliAdmin (941633) | about 8 years ago | (#15151087)

It is never going to happen. Steve Jobs has one goal - take over the world. He wants to domainate. If he open-sources OSX it would require that Apple share with the world. Lets look at past experiences with apple. I would say that it is totally contrary to their thinking. In the mind of Apple they would want to crush Microsoft, and ignore Linux.

Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) (4, Insightful)

Moby Cock (771358) | about 8 years ago | (#15151306)

I don't think Jobs wants to dominate.

Apple has very carefully created a boutique quality to their products. This was a calculated move. To strive for dominance would bring much of the hip-and-cool aspects of Mac culture to an end.

Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) (1)

Stradenko (160417) | about 8 years ago | (#15151102)

By "Macs" do you mean, motorola-processor-based macintosh computer systems, powerPC-processor-based macintosh computer systems or intel-processor-based macintosh computer systems?

Mac processors have changed before. Mac processors will change again.

OSX raped my neighbor's wife (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151258)

Look, shut up nigger. Nobody cares if you want to look into the API if you want to see what's going on behind the scenes. If you don't like it, fuck off and go work with Loonix and the rest of the bearded open source faggots.

Am I angry? Yes. Why? Hell of a question. Here's why.

There exists an open source version of OSX; I saw it floating around Usenet not too long ago. All the source you could ever want is there. Problem is, the code is a nigger, and it's got an attitude. So what does it do? Well, rather than compiling, it somehow purchased a Harley, drove up to my subdivision, broke into my neighbor's house, and fucked his wife in the ass -- what? -- ten, eleven times. She's hot, and I would have too, but come ON -- nigger OSX fucking a hot 34 year old blonde in the ass? That's just insane.

But it gets worse. As OSX was buggering her stink knot, her husband came home. OSX dismounted his wife, attacked him, and broke his fucking neck. Then OSX calmly resumed fucking his wife in the ass for the next hour or so, until it came all over her face.

Then -- THEN! -- OSX killed her, the bastard.

So no, OSX should NOT be open sourced. Get a grip.

"In many ways, this is just insane rambling." (5, Insightful)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | about 8 years ago | (#15150981)

'nuff said.

Re:"In many ways, this is just insane rambling." (1, Insightful)

Trillan (597339) | about 8 years ago | (#15151035)

Only on the Internet could Dvorak be taken seriously. On TV, people would notice his mouth foam and his face twitching in sheer insanity.

Re:"In many ways, this is just insane rambling." (4, Funny)

jandrese (485) | about 8 years ago | (#15151054)

You've never watched any political pundit shows have you? Good for you.

Re:"In many ways, this is just insane rambling." (5, Funny)

TopShelf (92521) | about 8 years ago | (#15151297)

Indeed, the combination of "Dvorak" and "insane rambling" should have gotten the article modded -1 Redundant right off the bat...

Starbucks and Automobiles (5, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 8 years ago | (#15150984)


Let me share with you friends, the deep, dark, scary secret that Starbucks is keeping. A secret so shocking that when it is released on the world, it will literally change things forever! I've only recently figured this out myself, so pay attention as I walk you through the sordid details.

Like many super-intelligent-people-in-the-computer-industry- that-write-for-a-magazine, I get a cup of Starbucks every morning. However, this morning was to be different than all the rest. You see, a brand new Starbucks opened up near my office. (Well, nearer-er than the old one.) This new Starbucks boasted an incredible new feature: A drive through window! I could drive up to the Starbuck as if it were a McDonald's, and order a cup of coffee from the comfort of my own car.

But then I got to thinking. What does Starbucks need with drive through windows? I mean, they're in the coffee business, not the fast food industry. People come into Starbucks to enjoy the environment, not grab their cup and run! Then it hit me! Starbucks needs drive-up windows because they are planning to bring that same environment to your vehicle! That's right, Starbucks wants to give you that same coffee-saturated, easy listening, comfortable seating feeling you get in their stores, but in your car. But how will they do it? Will they allow you to place your Venti cup in a cup holder and allow the smell to drift across your Caddilac? No!

There can be only one explanation: Starbucks is going to make cars. Nothing else makes sense! So two years from now when you're driving your Starbucks-mobile, remember this. You heard it here first. --John C. Dvorak

Re:Starbucks and Automobiles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151029)

I used my mod points yesterday :(

Re:Starbucks and Automobiles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151042)

I laughed my a** off reading this post until... what if this is really Dvorak's next column and AKAImBatman is just posting it here first?

Re:Starbucks and Automobiles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151084)

Danke

I just spilled coffee all over my screen. Remind me next time not to read your posts while eating/drinking anything.

On serious note, that was the best post I read in few days. Heh :)

Re:Starbucks and Automobiles (1)

AuMatar (183847) | about 8 years ago | (#15151166)

So long as it still uses gas for the fuel and not coffee. I can afford the gas. I couldn't afford a gallon of their coffee.

Re:Starbucks and Automobiles (1)

sammy baby (14909) | about 8 years ago | (#15151173)

You, sir, are possessed of one of the most brilliant minds of your generation.

No, John D, I meant AKAImBatman.

Dvorak is totally insane (1)

VAXGeek (3443) | about 8 years ago | (#15150989)

Yeah, first Apple is going to switch to Windows, then OS X will be open sourced! Good going Dvorak. I think he's just picking these out of a hat. God knows it'll get 500 posts here.

Re:Dvorak is totally insane (1)

cryptochrome (303529) | about 8 years ago | (#15151013)

Why the hell do I keep seeing these Dvorak-predicting-Apples-death articles? Has he EVER been right re: Apple? You'd think the moderators would learn.

Dvorak is totally insane-Mispopularity Contest. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151020)

Dvorak. Much like his keyboard. His ideas will never take off.

Re:Dvorak is totally insane (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151037)

What is up with the Twit network anyway, first it's Steve Gibson now Dvorak... come on the only person left is Alex Lindsey to lose it.. but I doub't that would happen!

Re:Dvorak is totally insane (1)

imikem (767509) | about 8 years ago | (#15151108)

No kidding. Is this guy just throwing darts at a board with theoretical possibilities to come up with this stuff? He can't be that stupid in real life can he?

Well, on the other hand, maybe I just answered my own question.

[Not quite] bottom line: When your readership has slipped to non-existence, troll for Mac fanatics and get that hitcount up.

Seriously, Dvorak and [some of] the fanbois deserve each other.

Re:Dvorak is totally insane (3, Funny)

CoolCash (528004) | about 8 years ago | (#15151204)

He is not picking out of a hat. But his manati's that are working for him picked the OSX and Open Source balls this week.

I have a better idea... (5, Funny)

Otter (3800) | about 8 years ago | (#15150997)

Dvorak should buy Ubuntu. Or maybe Novell.

Re:I have a better idea... (1)

moro_666 (414422) | about 8 years ago | (#15151058)

i'd better see him buying prozac or valium. he talks as if he needs some.

apple doesn't really want to open up anything. macosx works on the macs and on the intellimacs. if it aint broken there's no need to fix it. and if i could afford it, i'd run a mac too.

summarizing the day, larry ellison is wasting a bit pocket money, dvorak still hasn't got laid ...

Then why do new buyers spend all their time in OSX (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15150998)

I frequent a message board frequented by members of the gaming journalism press and developers. Upon the Boot Camp announcement, about ten of them immediately bought new Macs.

All of them, to a man, spend all of their time in OSX. They only boot Windows to play games, but do everything else in OSX.

Dvorak still doesn't get it.

Epic battle with Linux? (5, Insightful)

baadger (764884) | about 8 years ago | (#15150999)

How would open sourcing OS X make an epic battle with Linux? If anything, asuming the license was favourable, it would only benefit Linux and projects like KDE and Gnome, wouldn't it?

Re:Epic battle with Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151086)

Absolutely. It's not like two projects need to both be open-source before they can compete. Apart from anything else, it would be total suicide for Apple, seeing as they would lose their hardware margin as well.

Dvorak is a fucking idiot. Does anyone actually take him seriously any more?

Re:Epic battle with Linux? (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | about 8 years ago | (#15151091)

How would open sourcing OS X make an epic battle with Linux? If anything, asuming the license was favourable, it would only benefit Linux and projects like KDE and Gnome, wouldn't it?

Don't even try understanding Dvorak. He seems to spend his time in la la land, and rarely seems to have a good grasp on reality.

The truth is some stuff works well because it is open source, other stuff works well because its closed. Each culture has its advantages and there is no need to try the 'one size' fits all, since it rarely does.

Re:Epic battle with Linux? (2, Interesting)

NetRAVEN5000 (905777) | about 8 years ago | (#15151095)

Don't read into it too much. Dvorak isn't smart enough to realize that there's no way one open-source project can shut down another, very dedicated and well-known open-source project. Linux will always have its supporters - you can't shut it down.

begun, the OS wars has. (1)

everphilski (877346) | about 8 years ago | (#15151182)

Linux will always have its supporters - you can't shut it down.

Yeah, but how many times have you heard OSS guys saying "yeah, but MacOS sure is pretty" or "yeah, I wouldn't mind trying that out on a Mac" ... if it were free for their hardware you'd see converts in drones. Linux wouldn'd die, but the Jedi sure would be feeling it.

Re:Epic battle with Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151126)

I believe you are correct. Open-source OSX would allow Linux people to go "Cool, that's how they do this. Let's see if we can do something similar, or even snazzier."

It would be an interesting tactic, since they could turn around and put any improvements directly into their own system. Since other companies are funding Linux development, if Apple devoted more of their research to usability and used more of other's code for the nuts and bolts of the system, they could make it more attractive than it is currently.

I are a pundit, too :-) (5, Funny)

DavidinAla (639952) | about 8 years ago | (#15151018)

I advocate that banks open their vaults to anyone who wants money. I advocate that car dealers leave their keys in the cars for anyone to take them. I advocate that restaurants make their food free. All of these things might kill the businesses involved, but it certainly would be nice for me and for other people who'd rather not pay for things.

David

Re:I are a pundit, too :-) (1)

soft_guy (534437) | about 8 years ago | (#15151332)

Not only that, but if Ford gave their cars away for free, think of all the media attention they would get. The most interesting story in the auto business would be Ford vs. building your own car from parts found in a junk yard. General Motors, Toyota, et al. would still sell more cars than Ford could give away for free because people are more familiar with those brands, but they would suffer because they would get lots less media attention.

This doesn't make any sense (5, Interesting)

flanksteak (69032) | about 8 years ago | (#15151039)

I often enjoy reading Dvorak, but this is just nonsense. Apple's usability comes from their software. Nobody buys Mac because of the hardware no matter what they say. They buy it because of the OS. Apple charges a premium for their hardware, but people are willing to pay this premium because of the software. Apple comes closer to "it just works" because of OS X, not because of the nifty design of the boxes or because they supposedly use "high quality" parts.

Switching to Windows would mean two things: 1) The differentiation factor for Apple decreases, meaning that they would have to compete more on price, and 2) Their support costs would go up because of the number of calls they'd get from users with Windows problems. Hello, spyware anyone? Not a problem for Apple now, but would change instantly with a Windows conversion.

I still think that Apple is slowly making the move to put OS X on generic PC boxes (and eventually more OEMs). Only they're doing it slowly and quietly, so as not to awaken the sleeping giant with the massive war chest. Apple could make a move for just desktop share, as they haven't shown any interest in becoming a large-volume server OS company. Let MS and other *nixes fight over the servers, Apple would be happy with selling boxes to just the end users and software licenses to OEMs and third parties.

Re:This doesn't make any sense (1)

Josh teh Jenius (940261) | about 8 years ago | (#15151205)

I still think that Apple is slowly making the move to put OS X on generic PC boxes

This is exactly what I thought when I first heard about the dual-boot macs. I think the iPod and the slow decline in M$ is really forcing Apple to rethink its overall market position. IMO, Apple has always under-valued itself (and I say this as a life-long IBM clone junky.)

Re:This doesn't make any sense (4, Insightful)

McDutchie (151611) | about 8 years ago | (#15151238)

Nobody buys Mac because of the hardware no matter what they say.

So says you. Have you ever seen recent Mac hardware from nearby (and I mean recent as in less than five years old)? It's not just beautiful, it's solid and durable. Look inside one and the attention to detail seems immediately obvious. I have never seen a PC box or laptop that comes close, although some try.

Yeah, so I'm an Apple fanboi. Sosumi.

Re:This doesn't make any sense (1)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | about 8 years ago | (#15151245)

"I often enjoy reading Dvorak..."


For those unfamiliar, it's the little glass widget thing next to the user ID that makes people "foes".

Put down the crack pipe, John (1)

Cr0w T. Trollbot (848674) | about 8 years ago | (#15151040)

OK, it's been scientifically proven that John Dvorak is smoking crack. [chron.com] (And by "scientifically proven," I mean "more likely than anything Dvorak has ranted about this year.") His friends really need to have an intervention for him before he's found curled up at the bottom of a dumpspter in San Francisco, ranting at the rats and cockroaches about how Network Appliances will take off "any day now."

C'mon, John, the first step is to admit you have a problem.

Crow T. Trollbot

Uh... (5, Informative)

TheSenori (947444) | about 8 years ago | (#15151046)

They did. They called it "Darwin". It had everything that Linux has and had; it runs GNU software like everything else and is capable of GNOME or KDE. It hasn't performed very well.

Re:Uh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151227)

Because hardware support for Darwin sucks. Basically, it runs on a Mac. But I've already got a Mac, and it's got a full OS X install on it, so why would I throw away all the Aqua goodness for a command line? Duh.

Re:Uh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151235)

it hasn't performed well because the HCL SUCKS!!!!!!!

sad but true.

now OpenDarwin on the other hand....

STILL HAS A HCL THAT SUCKS.

and to quote the president.......

"I am the decider!"

Follow up question (1)

HappyUserPerson (954699) | about 8 years ago | (#15151050)

As Dvorak posits this irrelevant, ludicrous, and inane question, another question comes to mind: How much harm does Dvorak inflict on society? Is he just a small nuisance? Or does he seriously and permanently damage the intellect of otherwise productive, intelligent humans who happen to read his articles?

Why buy apple hardware if that happened? (1)

Brit_in_the_USA (936704) | about 8 years ago | (#15151051)

I hope I am not being desnse here, but if OS X was open-sourced, then couldn't enterprising Linux / OSX experts make distros for any pc hardware? (scrap that - ANY micropocessor platform? Sparc? ARM? PS3 ?)

So why buy apple hardware any more?

Re:Why buy apple hardware if that happened? (1)

BlueCodeWarrior (638065) | about 8 years ago | (#15151281)

Think of them like a service rather than a good. Yes, you can run OSX on anything you want for free, OR you can buy a small amount of tech support for generic hardware that may or may not be able to help you, OR they'll give you a full layout with certain hardware that's 100% backed and supported out the ass and such.

Re:Why buy apple hardware if that happened? (2, Funny)

umedia (964947) | about 8 years ago | (#15151307)

"So why buy apple hardware any more?"

Why to make the master Steve Jobs happy of course. Why else would his cult follow him thru the desert, traveling with the burning bush of money as Apple flirts with Motorola, IBM, Intel and coming soon "embryonic" stem cells.

Seeing the cult of mac turn overnight from Wintel haters to clapping with glee over bootcamp only proves that Conviction, is in the Apple Menu.

Open source ramblings (5, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | about 8 years ago | (#15151053)

Dvorak claims OS X and Apple in trouble. He suggests open sourcing OS X for an epic battle with Linux. In many ways, this is just insane rambling, but it's certainly entertaining on some levels.

How about we Open Source Dvorak's articles and let some other insane ramblings ensue, in fact, I have a few of my own.

First, I want a epic battle between humans and robots complete with protests, picketing, egg-throwing, and flaming.

Re:Open source ramblings (5, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | about 8 years ago | (#15151224)

First, I want a epic battle between humans and robots complete with protests, picketing, egg-throwing, and flaming.

In other words, you want a slashdot article?

Open-source Dvorak - giddy up! (5, Funny)

Dystopian Rebel (714995) | about 8 years ago | (#15151273)

If you set up the site, I will happily contribute idiocy worthy of The Man Himself.

Here are the titles of some of my brilliant future submissions:

"Microsoft Should Buy IBM"
"Apple Should Buy Apple"
"SCO Should Buy Enron"
"IBM Should Buy All Copies Of Mariah Carey's 'Glitter'"
"The Dvorak Keyboard Layout Should Buy Me"

 

Dvorak Avocates... (1, Redundant)

rbochan (827946) | about 8 years ago | (#15151057)

... nothing but increasing his ad-hits by continually pumping out provacative, but senseless drivel, with a side of flame-festy goodness.

Nothing to see here... move along.

No way Apple will do it. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151060)

OS X will turn on it's back and die before Apple releases Cocoa as open source. Nobody would use OS X anymore since the so called "Unix" in it sucks terribly. I don't see it speeding up either, Apple tried for 10 years to make their own OS before copying FreeBSD and they failed misserably. When copying FreeBSD they also failed as the resulting product isn't very good but at least it runs good enough to run photoshop.

oh please (5, Informative)

benbritten (72301) | about 8 years ago | (#15151063)

Dvorak is trolling again.

The reason Apple is 'so great' is because they control the whole experience. What you are buying is the hardware + apps +OS.

If you sell the OS on any old PC hardware (as many have asked for) then suddenly Apple loses one of the legs or their product.

If you open the OS then you lose another leg.

The reason everyone wants apple to do these things is because the quality they can get when they control all those things. (no they dont control all the apps, obviously, but they provide the basic user with everything they would need in an easy to use package)

I am so tired of people saying: I love apple OS, but i will never pay for it until they sell it for my shitty dell hardware! Well, then it wouldn't be the Apple that is able to be so high quality, and you wouldn't want it anyway!

So, back to my original point: Dvorak is a tired hack, and he is trolling for pagehits. Please stop putting his crap up here and helping him out!

Not necessary to battle open-source friends (1)

Bromskloss (750445) | about 8 years ago | (#15151073)

Instead of fighting eachother, we could take the best from Linux and OS X (and others) and conquer the world!

Moronity (5, Insightful)

Phroggy (441) | about 8 years ago | (#15151079)

I got into various levels of trouble when I suggested that Apple was going to gravitate towards Windows since it would be easy to do and there was some evidence that the company might want to do it.

No there wasn't.

Getting OS X onto PCs might be even more doable today, since researchers are reporting that as many as half of the business-owned PCs in operation now may not be capable of running Microsoft Vista.

And any random crap hardware that can't run Vista should have no trouble running Mac OS X! Piece of cake.

The Boot Camp product is pure test marketing. It's so obviously test marketing that it's hard to believe that people are foolish enough to get worked up about it.

Yes, Apple announced that this functionality will be built into the next version of Mac OS X, because they want to wait and see how people react before they decide whether it's a good idea. Because if they had already decided it was a good idea, they would have done something differently.

Does Windows works well on Mac hardware, or not? The idea here is to put it into the wild and see what happens in a support-free environment where Apple has no responsibility to help make it work.

Does Windows work well on PC hardware, or not? That's debatable, but obviously Apple thinks they can make it work just as well on Mac hardware. Does it yet? No. That's why Boot Camp is in beta. There are bugs they need to work out. Some of them are documented.

Apple needs to analyze the reaction to Windows on a Mac. This includes seeing whether there is massive rejection of the idea--protests, picketing, egg-throwing, and flaming. In other words, can the community at large live with the idea of Windows running on a Mac? That cannot be known or assumed without this test.

Nope, it can't be known. Absolutely no way to even guess. It's not like you could ask people. You know, take a survey. And I mean a real one, not PC Magazine's equivalent of a Slashdot poll.

Much of the positive reaction, though, seems to stem from the mistaken supposition that having Windows on a Mac will make OS X look better by comparison, so people will flock to OS X.

Really? That's not the reaction I've been hearing. The two reactions I've been hearing are:
  • I've never used Mac OS X and I don't know if I'll like it; now if I buy a Mac and don't like the OS, I can rest assured that I can switch back to Windows without ditching the hardware.
  • I prefer Mac OS X but I have to use Windows for work (or gaming); now instead of buying a PC to get my work done (or play my games) and being stuck in XP all the time, I can buy a Mac instead, run XP when I need to work (or want to play), then spend the rest of my time running a better OS.


I didn't bother continuing to the next page.

You've got to wonder what he's smoking... (1)

javakah (932230) | about 8 years ago | (#15151081)

Let's see: Apple is selling tons of iPods, keeping lots of media and youth attention on Apple. Apple has switched to Intel and now allows you to dual boot Windows, meaning that Apples now look very attractive to businesses, since they can now have the benefit of both Windows and Mac OS X without having to buy seperate computers. I'd say that Apple is poised to do extremely well, and this guy is smoking some seriously gnarly stuff.

In the words of Peter Griffin (4, Funny)

truthsearch (249536) | about 8 years ago | (#15151085)

In the words of Peter Griffin: "This plan is brilliant it's retarded!"

What's crazy to me is this might be a brilliant marketing strategy to divert some attention away from Microsoft. It's so crazy it just might work...

Insanity (5, Interesting)

stealie72 (246899) | about 8 years ago | (#15151099)

Great, so Apple can give away either its best product (or it's number one hardware advertisement, depending on if you think Apple is a hardware company, or a software company), into a hardware environment it can't control, thereby eroding its famous stability.

Great business plan. Apple would be insane to turn OSX into an open source product. The market has repeatedly shown what happens to high end wintel box manufacturers.

Insanity-What's in it for everyone? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151241)

I think the best question to ask all these writers/posters of "Apple should do this..." articles is, why? Or to be more specific. Why DO YOU want Apple to do these things? What's in it for Apple? What's in it for you? How come the status quo isn't good enough for you...or Apple?

I want what he's having... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151100)

actually, it's been a rough day, make it a double!

MAKE IT STOP! (1)

c0l0 (826165) | about 8 years ago | (#15151112)

It is utter bullshit this maniac comes up with each and every single time he wastes words into cyberspace, but nonetheless, I at least spare a glimpse for it by accident whenever this complete dork is featured on /.
As this turns out to be physically painful 100% of the time, I suggest you just drop the crap (that means EVERYTHING published by him!) Mr. Dvorak fantasizes about when obviously being on crack, dope, and at least 3 other illegal drugs (possibly not!) known to the broad masses of mankind, and just leave him and his infantile and uneducated babble be. Please. :-(

How can I get his job? (4, Funny)

cyngus (753668) | about 8 years ago | (#15151116)

How can I get a job where all I have to do is write an article with no backup or substantiation beyond my own knowledge and speculation about an idea that I shat out this morning on the toliet? Not only that, how can I get a job where I get to keep it after doing this every week for years?

Microsoft Has Nothing to Fear From Apple (1, Insightful)

MOBE2001 (263700) | about 8 years ago | (#15151117)

The reason is that the vast majority of existing commercial software is running on Windows and people have gotten used to it. Microsoft has a captive market for Windows, the same way Columbian drug dealers have a captive market for cocaine. Microsoft has other things to worry about, not the least of which is that a third party may come into the ring out of nowhere and offer a solution to the biggest problem facing the computer industry today: software unreliability and our inability to manage and create highly complex and safe systems. This is the reason that none of us are riding in self-driving vehicles today among other things. Clearly, something needs to be done and quick. Microsoft (Bill Gates) has no idea what this something is. That's where the fear comes in. Some other company may come in and take everybody by surprise. Microsoft and the other big players would then be left in the dust holding on to yesterday's obsolete technology. Unless, of course, they see the light and take quick action. But I'm not hoilding my breath.

Other things John Dvorak is "advocating" (5, Funny)

Cr0w T. Trollbot (848674) | about 8 years ago | (#15151125)

  • A naked jello-wrestling match between Angelina Jolie and Natalie Portman
  • The Wall Street Journal hiring John Dvorak for triple his current salary to be their technology editor.
  • Bill Gates driving up to his house and pitch-forking stacks of $100 bills onto his lawn.

All of these ideas have the following in common with Dvorak's "advocating" opensourcing all of OS X:

  • Each would benefit Dvorak greatly.
  • Each would benefit those with the actual power to implement his suggestions not at all.
  • Each has 0% chance of coming to pass.

Crow T. Trollbot

Re:Other things John Dvorak is "advocating" (1)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | about 8 years ago | (#15151309)

True, he's a whackjob, but if there's anything we can do to get the first item on that list happening, I say we go for it!

Somone put a stopper in that old fart (1)

paiute (550198) | about 8 years ago | (#15151135)

I swear to God, what is wrong with him? Is he stupid or what? OSing OS X? This is exactly why he writes a few paragraphs once in a while instead of being entrusted with running an actual company. What a twit.

OS X (open or not) for PC timeline:
1. Apple releases OS X for PCs.
2. Dell begins to sell desktops preloaded with OS X.
3. Phone call to Dell from Redmond about the new per unit cost to "nonexclusive" vendors of preloaded Windows: $500.
4. Dell announces that OS X shipments being discontinued due lack of demand.
5. Apple shipments of computers decline, revenue from OS X makes up only a fraction of shortfall.
6. Apple stock falls.

Re:Somone put a stopper in that old fart (1)

Amigori (177092) | about 8 years ago | (#15151318)

Seriously, Dvorak is an idiot. It amazes me that /. keeps posting his stories. I don't think OS X will ever be released for vanilla PC-boxen, but I have a revised list:
1. Apple releases OS X for PCs.
2. Dell begins to sell desktops preloaded with OS X.
3. Phone call to Dell from Redmond about the new per unit cost to "nonexclusive" vendors of preloaded Windows: $500.
4. Dell announces that OS X shipments being increased due to the 'Premium' models loaded with Windows selling poorly.
5. Shipments of Apple computers continue to increase, as revenue from OS X makes up only a fraction total revenue, and consumers realize that el-cheapo hardware is, well...cheap. And that a Dell with OSX is a better Dell, but an Apple is still worth the premium.
6. Dell and Apple stock grows. MSFT stock does the same thing its been doing...nothing!

What a fucking moron (1)

Durindana (442090) | about 8 years ago | (#15151137)

I've been forced to notice John Dvorak for far, far too long.

Please, everyone do everyone else a big favor and ignore him.

"Insane Rambling"? SSIA! (1)

LordPhantom (763327) | about 8 years ago | (#15151158)

Since no company, including massive IBM, has been able to compete with or unseat Microsoft from the desktop, Microsoft's stance alone may prevent any universal acceptance of OS X on the desktop from ever happening. In fact, I assume that as this is being written, Microsoft has coders in its skunk works tearing into OS X looking for deep flaws that it can exploit and publicize. Don't think otherwise. It only makes sense that they'd do this.

Right. This would be because they have no problems of their own to fix? There may be folks at Msft disassembling code, but with a goal of "publicizing flaws"? There are enough people doing that for free on both sides of the fence.

Thus a cloud is rising over OS X and its future unless Apple makes its boldest move ever: turning OS X into an open-source project. That would make OS X versus Linux become the most interesting battle within the computer scene. With all the attention turned in that direction, there would be nothing Microsoft could do to stem a reversal of its fortunes.

So.
Because Microsoft will automagically discover their flaws due to their crack team of exploit finders (who have been able to find all of Window's flaws previous to this, and because Microsoft is positioning themselves to squeeze everyone out of the market, Apple should make their OS free and compete with Linux in order to draw attention away from Microsoft? Because making their OS free would help their bottom line.... or.....?
1. Make OS free 2. Start OS war with Linux 3. **?** 4. Profit?
Am I the only one thinking WTF? Insane ramblings indeed.

A simple request (2, Insightful)

Repvblic (4658) | about 8 years ago | (#15151169)

If the /. staff is going to continue posting Dvorak articles regarding Apple as if they have any value, can my Batboy links please be accepted for the science category?

I mean if you're going to post bullocks like this in one category it's only fair to accept them in all categories!

-1: Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151172)

Hey Slashdot editors! Stop feeding the fucking trolls!

sell something (1)

PMuse (320639) | about 8 years ago | (#15151184)

This is the most confused article I've seen in a long while.
  • Letting Windows run on Apple machines would help Apple as a hardware company.
  • Letting OSX run on other people's machines would help Apple as an application software company.
  • Open-sourcing all of OSX would help Apple as a services company.

Pick one.

John, lay off the CRACK (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | about 8 years ago | (#15151193)

The only people who are installing Windows on their Intel based Macs are Mac users who already had a PC, most of which are gamers. The day after Apple announced Boot Camp, I had two PC users tell me they were going to buy a Mac for their next computer, and they would partition the drive so they could use some software they needed to have. Nobody's going to start buying Apple products to run Windows on John, please refrain from smoking crack before writing your articles.

Not another fucking Dvorak article... (1)

Arjuna Theban (143564) | about 8 years ago | (#15151195)

The reason this idiot keeps on rambling is because we're giving him an audience. Why are all his articles on Slashdot?

In other news... (2, Funny)

TooMuchEspressoGuy (763203) | about 8 years ago | (#15151200)

"Dvorak Goes Away, Vows to Never Write Columns Again. UN Declares Global Holiday."

...oh, wait, that was just the good dream I had last night.

Dvorak is right, reality is wrong (2, Funny)

Unski (821437) | about 8 years ago | (#15151203)

"That would make the battle between OS X and Linux the most interesting one on the computer scene. With all attention turned in that direction, there would be nothing Microsoft could do to stem a reversal of its fortunes."

Now it all makes sense. I've been labouring under the misapprehension that the main goal of large software/hardware companies like Apple and Microsoft was to make money. It's taken the observations of a true genius to make me realise that the true objective of any such company should be to do 'interesting battles' with Linux. Maybe with light sabres.

Silence ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151236)

Can we have this guys fingers cut off so he can't write this crap?

Why he wants it open-sourced (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151243)

Dvorak wants Apple to open source the OS so that Microsoft's developers can steal some code for Windows.

Specifically, they can steal the code that gets rid of the "System Idle Process" [pcmag.com] that hogs the CPU on Windows.

um...did Dvorak RTFA? (1)

ianchaos (160825) | about 8 years ago | (#15151248)

His opening and closing statement about "turning OS X into an open-source project" and the sudden ability it would have to "make the battle between OS X and Linux the most interesting one on the computer scene" are not actually discussed anywhere in the article. Perhaps if he would have stayed on topic there would have been something to discuss...doubtful...but perhaps. The meat of the article is simply a rehash of former speculation he's had and deviates so far from the subject as to be worthless. Nothing to see here...please move along.

This is... (5, Interesting)

Moby Cock (771358) | about 8 years ago | (#15151261)

This notion is unmitigated nonsense.

Apple is not looking to unseat Windows as the OS king or are they trying to become ubiquitous. Apple is cultivating a boutique culture with their products and they are being very successful. Starbucks charges an unreasoble amout for coffee but people pay because they like to be associated with the Starbuck images. Apple is similar but not the same. They actually produce superior products (OS X, iPod) but they want to maitain the hip and cool vibe that is associated with them. The company is doing very well at the moment. I don't understand the "death knell" attitudes of some comentators. Why on earth would they alter OS X? They are making a fortune with it.

I think Boot Camp was introduced to shut people up. To end the Will-Windows-Run-on-Macs speculation. I firly believe that virtualization is in the card in the near future. Boot Camp is a temporary release to bridge the gap.

Retarded frikkin' Slashdot editors (0, Redundant)

FFFish (7567) | about 8 years ago | (#15151283)

Why is this batshitinsane Dvorak asshat being given any media space here on Slashdot? I mean, sure, Dvorak is a famous retard... but what on earth makes Taco and crew think anyone gives a good goddamn about what some retard has to say about Apple, regardless his fame?

Dvorak is such a clown (1)

Cannelloni (969195) | about 8 years ago | (#15151296)

I hope PC World doesn't actually pay Dvorak real money to write that rubbish. He has no idea what he is talking about, but he claims to know... the truth and... everything.

Apple's great advantage is the fusion of excellent hardware and software. They will never be sold independently of each other.

I must admit, I still haven't figured out how Boot Camp and Windows will fit into this picture, but I'm working on it. Maybe it's the new Classic, I don't know. Dvorak obviously thinks he's got it figured out.

Where Dvorak's ideas come from (4, Funny)

moofdaddy (570503) | about 8 years ago | (#15151299)

Anyone else get the feeling that Dvorak's articles are written by manatee's in a large tank filled with idea balls...?

Apple + Open source + War

"Oh, the makings of another great Dvorak article, I can see it now..."

Having read the comments (1)

Budenny (888916) | about 8 years ago | (#15151313)

The more I read the chorus of disapproval and dismissal with which his thoughts have been greeted, the more I realised that as usual the conventional wisdom misses the point. I know he is usually fairly silly, but that is when he writes about things he knows too little about. His point in this case does not depend on understanding technology, but on knowledge of human nature, big companies, and markets.

His main point is, if you are a company the size and nature of Apple, you do not simply launch BootCamp on a whim. It is a major decision, internally. So they will have scenarios and objectives. What could they be? His answer is, to find things out. Then he speculates on what they could want to find out, and what they may actually be finding out.

They will also have a followup plan. What could that be?

One of the things they may find out is that people would buy more Macs if they did not come with OSX on them. I realise that everyone on /. will instantly dismiss that, which is exactly why it is worth thinking about. Because it is not you guys who would buy them if they came without OSX. No, but maybe there is a really important numerous market segment that would. It could be. Now, suppose they did find that out, what would they do?

His answer is, if they thought they could contain the damage, they would take the money and run. His answer to whether the damage seems containable is that so far it does seem likely. There would be some, but the current base would probably shout and scream and stamp their feet and then settle down to their dinners again. They have swallowed Intel, and now they have swallowed BootCamp. They will probably swallow the next one too, if its pitched right.

You all have to realise, this has nothing to do with whether you all like XP or OSX. It has nothing to do with the 'integrated experience' and what you all think makes Apple great. It has to do with some very cold blooded guys sitting in quiet rooms who do not give a damn about your feelings or what you think is great, but who are trying to figure their way through the future. The only thing they worry about is whether enough of you will walk. Dvorak is saying, the evidence they are getting is no.

Never mind who said it, or what silliness he has said in the past. This is really an interesting and penetrating set of thoughts. Yes, I agree, from an unlikely source.

Why not? (1)

forrie (695122) | about 8 years ago | (#15151317)

Hands down, OSX/Apple has a mature desktop. If Apple were to completely open source it's operating system, or those portions that they are able to do so without license encumberance (we also have Darwin), the community could not only learn from Apple, but integrate that knowledge into other projects.

That would almost certainly create more competition for Microsoft. And I think all would agree THAT is a good thing, given the state of affairs these days.

Doing so may also prove dangerous to Apple as, afterall, it's a specialized product for specialized/controlled hardware. Their operating system is at the core of their products; they don't have a hardware market share such as Sun (who open sourced Solaris, OpenSolaris), so the risk is clearly greater. That alone may be too risky for the present time, strictly as a business decision.

Either way, I think it's an interesting idea... at least.

I believe our chances of getting abducted by a UFO are much greater than Apple going completely open source GRIN.

Apple's real future. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15151329)

Face it folks, Unless Apple sells an integrated system, they can't compete. If they sell hardware only, they get killed on price. If they sell just the OS, M$ kills them with its market power. Apple can do something M$ can't, they can sell an integrated computing system that basically "just works."
The boot camp strategy seems to be a way to allow someone to own and use an apple while still retaining their legacy M$ software. Eventually the customer will abandon the M$ partition for everything but that application (game) that still doesn't run on apple. Meanwhile, Apple is selling overpriced very reliable computer systems to people who discover that computers don't have to crash on a regular basis.
At some point the developers will notice this fact and provide programs that run on both platforms. When that happens M$ dies (or it adapts).
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