AMD Calls on Microsoft for Intel Antitrust Case 84
Rob writes "As part of its ongoing antitrust case against its chief rival Intel Corp, AMD said it had subpoenaed Microsoft Corp for documents pertaining to
its case." From the article: "AMD filed subpoenas with 32 companies, asking them to retain and forward documentation that may pertain to the lawsuit, including computer companies, microprocessor distributors, and electronics retailers. Most of these companies agreed to comply with AMD's requests, including Acer, Gateway, Lenovo, NEC, Sony, Sun Microsystems, Tech Data Corp., and Circuit City. The only firm that refused to cooperate with AMD in any capacity was Toshiba, although others have been slow to respond."
Right now (Score:4, Interesting)
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The documents, no doubt, will be included with the chair...
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there is always a possibility that they may actually start hading over only documents which might have some beneficial value for them in some or the other ways.
the same also holds true for all other corporations who have agreed. between disclosing and non-disclosure, there is always a chance of willfull partial disclosure for own benefit.
AMD must be extra-carefull.
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Oh Ballmer won't just "deliver" them, not in the traditional sense. He will duct tape the documents to a chair and throw it at Intel, thereby "f**king killing" Intel.
Oops! Wrong corporation...
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Oh well, never too fond of either companies business practices.
I don't know which hi-tech corporate quarrel I like best, there are so many that evoke such varied emotional responses.
AMD vs. Intel, great I've always been a fan of the underdog, but AMD has had their day in the sun coming for a long time.
I do however find it ironic that Microsoft and Intel are all slings and arrows these days.. As both companies sti
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Microsoft also has a lot of reasons to not cooperate with AMD. They work practically side-by-side with OpenSuSE and do all sorts of kernel optimization for their hardware with Linux.
Microsoft doesn't have too many friend
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Payback Time (Score:5, Interesting)
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Wasn't it Gandhi who said; "Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind"?
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Close it is recorded as:
"An eye for an eye will make us all blind"
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Well, they're in no shape or form like "armed thugs". That's just being sensationalistic. The vendor presents the channel operator with a set of terms and the channel operator is free to comply or ignore them (naturally, one choice may make more business sense than another). Competing vendors and channel operators have to think of creative solutions around this road
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And to complete the summary... (Score:5, Informative)
"AMD may be requesting documents from Microsoft that show that Intel tried to convince the software company not to support x86 64-bit in Windows. This might be a tricky thing to prove, as Microsoft has offered 64 bit versions of Windows for both Itanium and x86 64-bit for some time now."
And also, that Microsoft is complying with the request.
I wish summaries are more complete. Only if wishes were horses....
Re:And to complete the summary... (Score:1)
``Ragnarok
(Firefly, Objects in Space)
Yipee? (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally I'm happy for AMDs courage of conviction not just because of where I work
Intel is not evil but they do have an awful stance of we're the best and there is no reason to consider anyone else. They demonstrate this by the way they package their kits (e.g. you need an Intel northbridge/southbridge) to the way they develop software (IPP is not friendly on AMD nor is ICC). They'll claim it's for superior performance but consider AMD.
AMDs stance is they want as many people developing around AMD as possible. This is why VIA and Nvidia (to name two) are major developers of chipsets. AMD is partnered with development shops (won't say which) where the attitude is "be great on AMD but not at the expense of being great on Intel". Basically we want the best performance we can get so long as we don't create problems for the competition.
I hope other companies can stand up and just admit for a change that competition is great, it's a good idea and furthermore the future of the computing industry demands it.
Vive la choix!
Tom
Re:Yipee? (Score:4, Insightful)
Surely you mean end user?
Re:Yipee? (Score:1)
A positive experience for the end user is the goal, AMD would prefer AMD chips provide that experience, but they don't want anyone to suffer if they use Intel.
You see it with ATI and Nvidia. Some games have a "Designed to run with ATI" but they'll stil
Re:Yipee? (Score:2)
In other words, differentiating your product make making yours better, rather than making the comptetion's seems worse. Playing fair. More or less.
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Competition is good. That I can see. AMD did show up Intel more than a few times and Intel is responding and changing. That's what business and competition is all about. I have to admit that I lost some respect for AMD once they did this. I have always thought that they provided good processors at good prices and at times I have even bought AMD. But the lawsuit? I don't think so.
Think about this, AMD fanboys. If Intel were to
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Signing an AC post isn't terribly helpful if you wish to remain anonymous.
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I have had various AMD-based boards over the years, and the reliability of an AMD processor, various chipset and foreign motherboard manufacturers has been half baked to say the least. I've heard its gotten better, HOWEVER......this has convinced myself and many others I know NOT to buy AMD until AMD offers a total, 100% guarenteed and bac
Do We Pay? (Score:5, Insightful)
Every time I see these antitrust lawsuits "drag on" in the news, I wonder how much of the cost of these fights gets passed onto us, the consumer? It must cause a ripple effect when Company A sues Company B which impacts Companies C, D, etc. in terms of attorney fees, internal audit, research, and strategic analysis. Are we footing the bill?
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Of course. But the real question is, do we pay more if a company is allowed to abuse a monopoly?
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If you meant is AMD jacking up prices to subsidize their legal campaign, well, perhaps, but that question is equally meaningless. You'd really need to do a study of price including past and present depreciation, and
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Who's going to repay all the money lost by Enron employees? The upper management folks? Nope, they already spent it and won't be pulling in even a six-figure from salary behind bars. (Assuming that happens
Innovate or Sue? (Score:1, Interesting)
AMD has great products, and they are succeeding in the marketplace. A lawsuit just seems to come from jealousy. Why not spend their efforts competing with better products?
I know everyone is thinking about things like Intel's market control. But AMD is big enough to stand on its own feet and just keep going.
A nice, clear-cut lawsuit that acheives a real remedy can be healthy for a company, and is sometimes very necessary. But this type of liti
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Dell must pick someone. I suppose they could offer both chips, but they don't want to confuse their customers, or their tech support personnel. Is whoever Dell picks the monopolist?
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-EcinPC
Re:Innovate or Sue? (Score:4, Insightful)
The playing field is *far* from even. Intel had such dominance for so long, and cuts deals to specifically hamper AMD that this lawsuite is needed.
I dont see any stagnation in their drive for innovation. What they are doing is making sure their efforts are not wasted on a marketplace in which Intel has created barriers all over the place to stop AMD market penetration. Why would you continue to innovate just to sell chips in a market where you can never hope to compete with an Intel that violates anti-Trust and keeps you from competing in the marketplaces that you need.
Re:Innovate or Sue? (Score:4, Insightful)
"Best" is a blanket statement.
Most industry analysts believe that Intel's costs are far below AMD's, which gives Intel much more negotiating room with major OEMs. That is, Intel can sell CPUs cheaper than AMD and still make money. This makes Intel's CPUs "best" for large OEMs like Dell even when AMD is cheaper in the retail market.
Also, AMD has marketed itself as the "alternative for low-end cheap people", even when they had faster products on the market. This effectively cut them out of high-value segements of the market. It's only recently that AMD has been somewhat successful selling into the server and workstation markets.
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I guess that's fine, but then you can't complain about a $250 bill to talk to the doc
Re:Innovate AND Sue? (Score:2, Insightful)
The paradox is that proof
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Let the courts decide if something is fishy first (Score:1)
*If* Intel has made anti-competitive contracts (Such as, "Only buy our chips or our prices double!"), I'd liked to see them smacked as hard as Microsoft.
Big Picture (Score:1, Troll)
AdvancedMerchandisingDevices (Score:3, Funny)
There's nothing you can do, there was an Intel inside. The revelation of his presence sent some very bad signals which were chipping away your reputation.
AMD still makes chips (Score:3, Insightful)
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Don't forget the gamers. All of the hardcore PC gamers I know wouldn't be caught dead with an Intel CPU in their gaming rig.
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Microsoft? (Score:3, Insightful)
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Do you think there is anything to the allegation that WinTEL tried to lock AMD out of the 'trusted computing' business?
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Microsoft? Keep documents pretaining to a case? (Score:1)
Just ask the Burst attorneys about Microsoft's email retention policy.
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