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Sony Drops PS2 Price to $129

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the get-em-while-they're-hot dept.

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Conradq writes "Effective immediately, consumers can purchase the PlayStation 2 computer entertainment system for a suggested retail price (SRP) of $129.99. Previously the console was priced at $149. The company opted for a subtle reduction in price ahead of this years E3, instead of a more dramatic $99 drop."

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Sony USA is lowering the prices, sure (2, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164341)

But Mario and Tony's Black Van Emporium has been selling these suckers for $50 a pop. Sure, you can't take it back for service, but at that price, you just buy a new one when the old one breaks.

What I would like to see is Free as in Speech PS2s. Downloadable over the net, and fully compatible with all existing home appliances and operating systems.

Is that so much to ask?

Re:Sony USA is lowering the prices, sure (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15164361)

Reminds me of a post I read on another forum. Apperently in a movie theater, one of the anti-piracy ads before the show asked the audience "You wouldn't steal a car, would you?" to which an audience member shouted, "I would if I could fucking download one!"

Re:Sony USA is lowering the prices, sure (2, Insightful)

whoop (194) | more than 8 years ago | (#15165934)

Apperently in a movie theater, one of the anti-piracy ads before the show


Maybe I'm silly, but don't people who pirate movies skip the whole going-to-a-movie-theater thing? Damn goofy MPAA.

Re:Sony USA is lowering the prices, sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15170389)

Maybe I'm silly, but don't people who pirate movies skip the whole going-to-a-movie-theater thing? Damn goofy MPAA.

well someone has to...the guy with the camcorder...

Re:Sony USA is lowering the prices, sure (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15171536)

Contra-wise, personal experience and studies I think I read but can't seem to recall the address to (too lazy to google) suggest the opposite is true. Many years ago I was a 0 day distributor on a certain IRC network and I was seeing (and not cam'ing, i hated cam's from the beginning) a movie or two every week with one of the other a-ops. The games I play I pay for, some I have multiple copies of. Similar to the music industry, where purchased music increased with the release and popularization of napster, other media forms actually gain from increased coverage, even when it means increased rick of piracy.

As a music example, I recently downloaded the entire Alanis Morisette Discography because I think I liked a track I heard back in the mid 90's on Jagged Little Pill - it is very, very...in fact it's straight impossible that I would have walked into a Virgin Records store and bought her entire discography at $15 a CD or w/e on a hunch I might have liked a single song - on the plus side, it is very possible people flipping through my shared files on my server at LANs will copy some of her work and she will be introduced to new crowds, and her name might just get around more and be popularized further. Even a possible increase in fanbase is better than no increase at all, which is what would happen without internet piracy by my hand. Consider also that at some point or other I actually owned Jagged Little Pill on cassette, and threw it out when I no longer had cassette players in my house - so frankly I've already payed my due for that album, and the others I call taxation for popularization.

Studies that suggest lost revenue due to piracy usually involve the assumption I would buy everything I download, which is sort of like when Enron got into electricity and made quarterly reports for surplus based on what they potentially could have in the future. It's poor economics, and if the RIAA/MPAA were a company, they would be pushing themselves for a comparable stock dive to Enron.

Re:Sony USA is lowering the prices, sure (1)

TheJediGeek (903350) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164678)

Good grief! What do the mods smoke in the morning! Flamebait? That's insane.
To the mods: Please go buy a sense of humor. Yours are defective.

They Just Don't Get It (1, Interesting)

zoomba (227393) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164385)

With the GameCube already below that price, and with all the next gen consoles coming out right now, staying above $100.00 is stupid. It's too much money for a platform that is going to be abandoned within a year. We've already seen a dramatic drop in current-gen sales as everyone is waiting for their next-gen console of choice.

Considering how old the PS2 is now, and how little life it has left in it, this just serves as further proof that Sony is out of touch with the US market. It bodes ill for what they will end up doing with the PS3. Nothing will kill Sony faster than a next-gen console that retails at the core package for $400-500 (and probably considerably more for the Ultimate pack that includes such peripherals as game pads, the power cord and maybe a drive to read the discs.)

Re:They Just Don't Get It (4, Informative)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164450)

I really don't see it that way since Sony's sold more than 1 million PS2 consoles last year. I've read that in the time period since the introduction of the XBox 360, Sony still sold more PS2s.

Re:They Just Don't Get It (2, Insightful)

michealo (813339) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164528)

abandoned in less than a year? you do realize that the PS1 production just ended over 5 years into the PS2's life span. the PS2 isn't going anywhere.

Re:They Just Don't Get It (3, Insightful)

EnglishTim (9662) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164568)

I doubt the PS2 will be abandoned within a year. They've only just stopped producing the PSOne, FFS!

No, there'll still be new PS2 games coming out for a couple of years yet - the installed base is huge, so it doesn't make sense for publishers to jump ship too early to the PS3 until the installed base for it gets bigger. Even when the number of new titles begins to taper off, there'll still be a huge back-catalogue of secondhand games to be gotten cheaply.

I see it like this: PS2 games won't start to taper off until the end of 2007 or the beginning of 2008. There'll still be quite a few titles coming out for a year after that. It wouldn't surprise me if there are still a few games trickling out in 2009! If you buy a PS2 now, that's still 2.5 years of new software to look forward to. Combine that with the huge back-catalogue, (much of it available very cheaply or secondhand) and it makes a lot of sense, especially if you don't have a HD TV or are a bit strapped for cash.

Re:They Just Don't Get It (1)

Programmer_In_Traini (566499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164617)

Personally I think its great. Any price drop is great in fact.

My personal bet is that they're trying to "pre-compensate" for the lost of money they'll make when they start selling the PS3's because you can bet your ass they'll be losing money on it to catch up on XBox.

Besides, at 129$, that's not too bad, It'll allow me to play the games I can't play anymore because my current ps2's len is too worn out to read anymore.

YOU Just Don't Get It (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15164624)

With the GameCube already below that price, and with all the next gen consoles coming out right now, staying above $100.00 is stupid.

Even with all the other platforms coming out PS2 STILL outsells all the other consoles even at the more expensive $150 price point? Remember, Sony can drop the price of PS2 again at the drop of a hat, but you can never go back UP in price.

Re:YOU Just Don't Get It (2, Interesting)

gormanly (134067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15165376)

And don't forget that over their lifetimes both the Xbox and GameCube have been pushed for sales by the PS1, which has averaged 80-85% of their shipments despite being a generation back and sitting next to the (obviously superior, even to an idiot) PS2 on many retailer's shelves. It will be very interesting if Sony can pull off that quiet trick again...

Re:They Just Don't Get It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15164889)

Ummm, no. Just like with the PS1, PS2 games will be developed for quite some time into the next generation, and what's more be successful. There's a number of interesting new games yet to come out for PS2 - a port of the PSP GTA game, the new Final Fantasy, the next Xenosaga, etc. Hell, I'm tempted to pick up a new PS2 now, as I have a very old one and will be moving in a few months, so I might just sell my old one rather than move it and buy a new slim sexy one after I move. Of course it'd be much nicer if they'd dropped it to $99 (in which case I would almost definitely do this master plan), but oh well.

Re:They Just Don't Get It (2, Informative)

iainl (136759) | more than 8 years ago | (#15165789)

If staying over $100 is so stupid, how do you explain March's NPD figures?

Xbox 360 = 192,000
PS2 = 273,000
Xbox = 83,000
GCN = 63,000

Sure, there's an argument that the 360 could have sold more if they were better stocked, but are potential 360 owners really going to want a PS2 instead at any price?

Re:They Just Don't Get It (1)

stlhawkeye (868951) | more than 8 years ago | (#15165979)

The PS3 will retail for $299. And if it doesn't at release, it will within 6 months. They'll gouge the bleeding-edge turds and drop the price once those sales slacken. And they'll slacken as quickly as their production facilities can meet demand. Once that demand drops, the price drops. $300. Been saying this for a year. Will be proven correct.

You Just Don't Get It (2, Interesting)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167176)

They're sitting back and raking in profits. People keep buying them, even at $149.

Considering how old the PS2 is now, and how little life it has left in it, this just serves as further proof that Sony is out of touch with the US market.

Considering sales, and the similar situation they had when the PSOne came out, it's clear that they're well in touch with the US market. PS2 is still outselling the Xbox360, and there's no reason to expect that it will stop any time between now and when the 360 exits the market.

The day the 360 came out, the original Xbox was dead. A big 'Fuck You' to everybody who purchased one in the last two years, simply because Microsoft was too stupid to figure out how to make a profit on the hardware over the long term. Buy a Microsoft console, and you get an average of 3 years of service out of the platform. Buy a Sony console and get an average of 10 years... You think parents don't see that when they buy a console for their kids?

Re:You Just Don't Get It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167293)

"Buy a Sony console and get an average of 10 years... You think parents don't see that when they buy a console for their kids?"

Or console developers and publishers when they make long term plans on which console platforms to support and target their exclusive IPs...

Re:They Just Don't Get It (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168770)

"It's too much money for a platform that is going to be abandoned within a year."

Um, the PS2 already has a proven library behind it. If you're just now jumping on the bandwagon, that $100 is going to be money well spent. Who cares if the new stuff isn't going to be coming out much longer? It's not like you've got less to play than the guy who bought it at launch. You will, however, have paid a good deal less than he did.

Re:They Just Don't Get It (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168871)

The PS2 is about 4.5 years old. Sony's plans were for it to have around a 9 year product life (give or take a year). I'm expecting the PS2 will still be around for a while....

Awesome! (2, Insightful)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164404)

Now I can finally afford to replace my first-gen PS2 with all the disc read errors!

Actually, anyone really serious about picking up a PS2 nowadays need only hold out until the PS3 release, and the resulting flooding of the used PS2 market.

Re:Awesome! (1)

SillySnake (727102) | more than 8 years ago | (#15165812)

I've fixed several ps2s with such problems, and even got a free one that way. More likely than not yours is caused by the same thing that causes most of them.. Google for ps2 disc read error and you'll find plenty of sites providing instructions on how to repair it it. The problem is so common that Tech TV/G4 or whatever it is now even had a page about it. As long as you're patient, it's easy to fix, just going to take a bit of time.

Eh. Maybe. (1)

oGMo (379) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166045)

I have 3 PS2s. All work. 2 are old-style "large" PS2 with FFXI HDDs. 1 is a slim, for portability... take the PS2 and DDR gear to friends houses, for instance. I can't see any reason to get rid of any of them when the PS3 comes out.

A lot of other people will probably have their own reasons... even if the PS3 is PS2-compat, you can use the second PS2 for a networked multiplayer stuff you're used to, or whatever.

Since the price of the PS2 will likely drop to $99 or less, there's a certain saturation point for sellback, too... if everyone is selling and no one is buying (since they either already have a PS3 or PS2), then you will get almost nothing for trading it in, thus slowing trade-ins.

One Word: Dominance (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15164418)

Looking back at the PS2 over the past six years it is staggering just how good Sony is.

Sony and the PS2 has a chance of hitting 115-120 million by the time the system goes out of production in the next few years. The PS2 will most likely sell more units starting this year until the system goes out of production in the next few years than either the GameCube or Xbox did over their entire lifetimes.

The PS2 is a technological masterpiece. The PS2 hardware was pretty much finalized back in 1997 and just look at the new God of War 2 footage from GDC:

http://youtube.com/results?search=god+of+war+2&sea rch_type=search_videos&search=Search [youtube.com]

No wonder Sony's six year old console has been outselling Microsoft's new console by a wide margin in all three regions and this is before the price drop.

Re:One Word: Dominance (1)

F_Scentura (250214) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164550)

It's for the ps3.

Re:One Word: Dominance (1)

F_Scentura (250214) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164572)

Whoops. It isn't? Crazy.

Re:One Word: Dominance (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15164694)

Hmm...hardware finalized in 1997...beautiful, fun games on that hardware running smoothly in 2006...is anyone else starting to see the sense of the Revolution's adequate power/new gameplay strategy yet?

Re:One Word: Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15164744)

I would not underestimate the Revolution's power.

Other than not supporting 720p, Revolution games will look almost identical to Xbox 360 games.

Nintendo and Microsoft are like two people who are 6'3" tall. Nintendo doesn't care about height and just tells everyone they are about six feet tall. Microsoft desperately wants people to believe they are tall and tells everyone they are almost seven feet!

Re:One Word: Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167104)

And who cares about HD anyway? You can still hook Revolution up to a computer monitor if you want near-HD resolution.

Re:One Word: Dominance (1)

gormanly (134067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15165291)

Dominance it is. In FY 2003 alone, the PS2 shipped more units worldwide (22.52 million) than either Xbox or GameCube have done in total, according to the latest available official figures from all 3 companies, which are 22 million Xboxes between 11/01 and 3/05, and 20.61 million GameCubes between 9/01 and 1/06).

The breakdown of PlayStation shipments shows this, with over 20,000,000 PS1s being shipped in the first 5 years since the launch of PS2. PS1 sales over the lifetime of the GameCube and Xbox are in the region of 80-85% of those newer machines!

PS1 lasted almost 6 years in production after PS2 came out: if PS2 can do the same, expect to see them on the shelves until Christmas 2012.

Re:One Word: Dominance (1)

DeadCatX2 (950953) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167658)

The PS2 is a technological masterpiece
Is that with, or without, the ROM drive?

Re:One Word: Dominance (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168879)

"The PS2 will most likely sell more units starting this year until the system goes out of production in the next few years than either the GameCube or Xbox did over their entire lifetimes."

Perhaps, but Sony spent a hell of a lot of money to get that marketshare. (heh Microsoft's expenditures are far more humourous.) Nintendo has a fraction of it and they ended up with more money. Sony is 'sooo goooood'? Or is it "Sony is sooo rich"? Don't forget that this is the same Sony that made wild claims about the power of the PS2. Good hype can make any product explode on the market. (See: Windows) Sell enough systems, the game companies will risk more to make better games.

"The PS2 is a technological masterpiece. The PS2 hardware was pretty much finalized back in 1997 and just look at the new God of War 2 footage from GDC:"

Masterpiece? I don't know where you got the idea that it was finalized (or near it) in 1997. It wasn't even announced until 99. Why would they use 3 year old hardware for a product with a '10 year life span'? Heck, if they had that much time, they would have launched the slim-unit first. Simpler hardware, cheaper to produce, less defect-prone. Technical masterpiece? Hardly. The sad fact is that God of War 2 could easily be made for the GC and the XBOX, and in all likelihood, it would look better because they don't suffer from the same silly bottlenecks as the PS2 hardware does.

Sure, the PS2 is a 'must-have' system. No problem saying that. But technical masterpiece? The GC came out only a year later, it was cheaper, simpler to manufacture, profitable, and more powerful. No, I'm not calling it a technical masterpiece, but it's certainly more elegant than the PS2.

Re:One Word: Dominance (1)

Phil Wilkins (5921) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169921)

The sad fact is that God of War 2 could easily be made for the GC and the XBOX, and in all likelihood, it would look better because they don't suffer from the same silly bottlenecks as the PS2 hardware does.

Actually GoW2 is fairly tightly tuned to the PS2. It would be difficult to do the same game on the GameCube, because it doesn't have as much memory. Plus you'd need at least four discs for all the content. XBox is a possibility, but we'd have to tone down some of the particle and fullscreen effects, as it's a bit lacking the fill rate department. Pixel shaders would make some things a little easier though.

Phil [mobygames.com]

Re:One Word: Dominance (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169977)

"Actually GoW2 is fairly tightly tuned to the PS2. It would be difficult to do the same game on the GameCube, because it doesn't have as much memory. Plus you'd need at least four discs for all the content."

The GameCube has hardware texture compression, the PS2 does not. It's difficult to imagine that would be any trouble. As for storage, do you have a source that says they're using a full 6 gig for the game? Do we even know why it would take that much? The chances are pretty darned good they could still make it work out just fine.

Re:One Word: Dominance (1)

Phil Wilkins (5921) | more than 8 years ago | (#15171585)

Actually we used all 8GB of a dual layered DVD.

Re:One Word: Dominance (1)

whizzter (592586) | more than 8 years ago | (#15182867)

The GameCube has hardware texture compression, the PS2 does not. It's difficult to imagine that would be any trouble.

1: The ps2 has 32 megs (31 megs excluding kernel) vs 24 for the GC. and 30% matters alot.
2: We actually had hell to port a DC(that had texture compression) game to the ps2 (headhunter), but for that title it wasn't the texture compression that was the biggest problem. it was that artists had tuned the 3d scenery for the DC that had hardware alpha-sorting.
There is(was?) no official built in texturecompression on the ps2. But the greatness of the ps2 lies in it being raw and tad fucked up, in reality you can actually do texture compression on the ps2!

Re:One Word: Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15170490)

heh lol i like the part in god of war when you get to fuck those chix. that rocks. I hope in GoW2 you can bang them and then kill them, and maybe use their corpses as weapons. That game is way cool.

Re:One Word: Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15176283)

The GC came out only a year later, it was cheaper, simpler to manufacture, profitable, and more powerful.

No, the GC came out in September 2001, eighteen months after the PS2. As a result, it was undoubtedly more powerful in a number of ways. However, whether it was "simpler to manufacture" and "profitable" (I assume you mean more profitable) is very debatable. We really don't what each console really costs to make (well, except maybe the Xbox ;) ), so claiming that Gamecube was simpler to manufacture is silly.

but it's certainly more elegant than the PS2.

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

$99 drop (-1, Redundant)

ClassicComposer (916856) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164476)

"instead of a more dramatic $99 drop."

Wouldnt that imply that the system would then sell for $50?
I think he meant "a $50 drop", or "dramatic drop to $99".

Re:$99 drop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15164562)

You figured out the meaning, right? Let it go.

PS2 is here for a while longer (2, Insightful)

solidtransient (883338) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164709)

Games like "Shadow of the Colussus" prove to me that the console has a lot of life in it. If you don't want to pay $129 for a new one, check out ebay. I just purchased a PS2 (my 2nd) for $85 with 2 games. My previous PS2 worked just fine for years but then died a few months ago (and it was refurbished when I got it).

While it would be nice if the PS2 dropped to $99, there's no reason for Sony to cut that price if they are still selling like crazy. Might as well maximize that profit while you can!

Do you think when the PS3 comes out the same will happen on Ebay like it did when the Xbox360 came out? Remember the thousands of auctions where people were willing to pay thousands for an Xbox360? I wonder if the next time a next-gen console comes out if the same thing will happen. I've heard plenty of people saying they plan to pre-order 2 or 3 PS3s in hopes to double or triple their money on Ebay. I guess we'll see.

Aw. (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15164731)

The company opted for a subtle reduction in price ahead of this years E3, instead of a more dramatic $99 drop.

That's a shame. I'd actually buy one for $50. Guess I'll be waiting to see used prices after the PS3 comes out.

$129 is the right price (1)

sottitron (923868) | more than 8 years ago | (#15165346)

I think those with complaints about the price are just thinking about what they would spend. The right price is what people will pay for it. And I guarantee someone paid $149 for a new PS2 console yesterday. In fact, thousands probably did. So $129 is just the new price that Sony thinks will spur MORE sales. I think anyone who has waited this long for a PS2 should thank the 101 million other people who bought them before today because that is why the price is where its at today. Its good for the industry to have this price reduction.

And about the PS3, it would be great if it came out at $299, but its not likely because the components will probably cost more like $375 at first, so the right price is again what people will pay for it (which will be set by where Sony decides to price it anyways...) Now lets step back and be honest for a minute, if the PS3 came out at $199 would you jump up and down and get excited and run out and buy one or would you just say '$199! It must be crap!' I think this is the connundrum Nintendo is in after the last console round. Part of me wants to see the Revolution come in at $299 just so people won't complain that its price is an indicator that its no good.

Microsoft response (1)

DivineHawk (570091) | more than 8 years ago | (#15165547)

I'd be happy if Microsoft at least responded by shipping more $149.99 systems.

AFAIK if you want a new Xbox (at least in the U.S.), you have to buy the $179.99 Forza bundle. (Which is a complete rip-off considering you can get Forza for less than $30 on its own)

God Of War - Now Cheap (1)

DeadBugs (546475) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168241)

In a related note: God of War is a cheap "Greatest Hits" Game now. I picked it up last week with Devil May Cry 3 for $15 each. This is the kind of progress I like to see.

Aye but not in rip off UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15168435)

Yes Price drops in USA but not in rip off UK. As usual Sony continues to keep UK and Europe out in the cold.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4927950.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Staggered launch with almost a year behind for PSP in the UK
Root Kits.
and now we get 2nd service on price differences..
I hope they fail miserably with Blu Ray

What happened to market economics? (1)

guspasho (941623) | more than 8 years ago | (#15170416)

I seem to remember a day when game systems (among other things technological) would drop in price according to when the seller chose, not by decree of the manufacturer. What on earth happened? How are Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo and other manufacturers allowed to prevent retailers from determining their own pricing?

Re:What happened to market economics? (1)

Mr.Dippy (613292) | more than 8 years ago | (#15172604)

There isn't any law against it. Company X produces a product and says to all retailers "The MSRP is so many dollars, go under that and we will cut you off." Apple has been doing it for years.
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