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G4 Moves Further From Technology Roots

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the please-just-end-the-pain dept.

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Variety has a piece detailing some new hires at G4, all designed to further move the channel away from its technology roots. From the article: "One of Finn's priorities will be to scout people to profile when 'Icons' relaunches this summer. The 'Biography'-style skeinskein has been revamped to focus on figures that appeal to young men, including J.J. Abrams and Bryan SingerBryan Singer. She'll also continue to strengthen the lineup of guests visiting G4's live, studio-based series. In addition, both 'Filter' and 'Attack of the Show' will be relaunched in June with a scaled-back focus on technology. Heavier emphasis will be on attitude, humor and a broader range of male-oriented topics."

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G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (2, Interesting)

pbaumgar (595159) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166709)

Is there any reason to watch this channel anymore...?

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166717)

star trek..

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

Dance_Dance_Karnov (793804) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167298)

fucking truth, 3 eps of TNG a day. although the Trek 2.0....I watched "The Cage", it was awful, if they just played TOS that would be fine, but no they have to make it TOS-XTREEM!

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

rcamera (517595) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166735)

1) olivia munn
2) kristin holt
3) star trek: tng
4) e3

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167320)

What, no Morgan Webb? "I'm surrounded by blown Kha'ak but strangely unsatisfied."

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15166762)

I liked that show where it was just 30 minutes of game demos, but I haven't seen it in a while. Is it still on? That's pretty much it. The "adult themed" version that was on in the evenings fucking sucked, however.

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (4, Insightful)

SyncNine (532248) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168623)

That was Cinematech. I believe they show both Cinematech *and* Cinematech: Nocturnal Emissions now. Neither are really as good as the old shows were.

When G4 merged with TechTV (I miss Patrick and Leo!) and ditched The Screen Savers, Unscrewed, and Eye Drops, I knew that the station was going downhill. And yes, I know they -changed- The Screen Savers into 'Attack of the Most Boring, Stupid, Waste of Time and Oxygen, Idiot Hour, for Idiots, Run by a bunch of Kids instead of Patrick and Leo', before anyone tells me. Maybe I'm just bitter. ;)

Don't they play 'The Man Show' on G4 now? Give me a break.

What they don't understand is that we ALREADY have 'SpikeTV', and honestly, it's a really f'ing stupid tv network (except for MXC). We DON'T need another one.

PS. Martin Sargent is one of the funniest people in the entire world, someone needs to pick him up for a similar show. If you missed Unscrewed ... You missed one of the greatest shows ever to grace the airwaves with its presence.

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

GmAz (916505) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168719)

I agree. I subscribe to the Dish Network Top 120 channels just so I could get TechTV. Now, I have no use for the Top120 since G4 took over. Its crap. Attack of the Show has its moments, but rarely. I do like that Star Trek: TNG is on there because it reduces the number of times I have to see The Man Show, or Street Fury or any other crappy show on that channel. Its sad, and yes, I miss Leo and Patrick too. Everything they talked about I already know, but it was nice to see a show that helped people and even refreshed my mind once in a while. XPlay is getting crappy too. Too many freaking skits and not enough reviews. I did however see the show Call for Help with Leo Laport on there about a month ago at like 5:30 am (my baby woke me up) and was happy. Not sure if it was a repeat or not, but he was on. But yes, as soon as my contract ends, I will be removing the Top 120 and going to the Top 60 since TechTV was my only reason for getting the Top 120.

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166795)

When wasn't it. When I had cable that was one of the channels that I regularly never watched because nothing good was on it and I didn't care to watch other people play Quake.

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15166874)

When my cable provider switched up the channels they, thankfully removed G4 and replaced it with the Science Channel. Doesn't take away from me missing old school Tech TV.

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

nb caffeine (448698) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166905)

Xplay is now only decent, when it used to be good. everything else (that they create) licks balls. Attack of the show is the worst. Blech. Ive watched it. Every time, I find whatever is on the underside of my shoes to be less irritating and more interesting.

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

vandon (233276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167068)

Wow, I think we've found the one item that Windows, Linux, Mac, BSD, and VMS users can agree on.
Mon-Wed there are the only days I watch G4/TechTV because that's when the new X-Plays are on. Thurs-Sun, I can't think of anything worth watching on that channel.

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (4, Insightful)

szyzyg (7313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167532)

XPlay is frequently so good that my non-gamer wife enjoys watching some of the reviews and Sketches, the reveiws are brutally honest and frequently remind her that she isn't missing much by not playing games other than DDR.

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

CaptCommy (872383) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167692)

X-play is only good as a comedy show. They know very little about good games IMO. They're funny as hell when they rip apart a bad game, but when they get a good game, all they can do is come up with those totally off-topic and retarted sketches to try to force some laughs. But they're never funny. I watch the show when I need a laugh, but I would never trust it for a serious game review.

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

nb caffeine (448698) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167916)

That was what I was getting at when I said it is now only decent. They used to have decent reviews. Not so much anymore. Get rid of the sketches, show more games.

g4 is dead to me otherwise (and since i dont subscribe to the channel, they dont get any of my money)

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

badasscat (563442) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168821)

X-play is only good as a comedy show. They know very little about good games IMO.

They know very little about comedy, if you ask me. Their inane little high school skits grate on me like fingernails on a blackboard - they think they're being ironically low-budget funny, but then so does every other teenager with a camcorder. The truth is being an intern on a cable TV show doesn't automatically qualify you as undiscovered talent.

Morgan and Adam are still good hosts, although they've both become a bit too jaded at this point - Morgan especially. I actually look forward to those little moments that happen every couple shows where Morgan gets off-script - when she genuinely laughs at something she wasn't expecting (usually something Adam says or does) or improvs a line that she obviously hadn't practiced beforehand. That's the "old" Morgan Webb that we all knew and loved from the TechTV days. But generally, she just sticks to her all-too-cynical script.

The rest of the "cast" of this show, though, are all just a bunch of wanna-be fratboy rejects, and it hurts my eyes to watch them. Unfortunately, about 20 of the 22 minutes of each new episode these days seems to be taken up by these lame skits, with games almost an afterthought. Which kind of fits in with what's going on at the rest of the channel, making me wonder if this is not a conscious (and possibly forced) change.

Re:G4 Moves Further into Crap TV channel (1)

Deathlizard (115856) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169273)

If you like what SpikeTV was three years ago, then Yes.

They just got Bonzai, Which bombed big time on Spike. they're Showing Star Trek now. At the rate their going, I'll give it a few more weeks and they'll be showing Starsky and Hutch and Most Extreme Elimination Challenge reruns.

I dont Get what their thinking about there. First it was Videogames, then it was Videogames and Computers when they Got TechTV, now apparently, it's the second network for men.

Balance (4, Informative)

PoderOmega (677170) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166721)

I thought AotS was a perfect balance, and it is the only show I watch on G4 regularly. If it turns into Maxim magazine on TV then I will be very disapointed. I catch Icons occiationly, but that's it. Are they trying to be like SpikeTV? I don't watch that channel either.

Re:Balance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167268)

It basically sounds like they are trying to make all their shows exactly like "X-Play". Instead of having the diversity to attract various demographics they are instead focusing on one particular demographic and beating it senseless.

Re:Balance (1)

Baloo Ursidae (29355) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167842)

If it turns into Maxim magazine on TV then I will be very disapointed...Are they trying to be like SpikeTV?

Yes. This was apparent from the time Comcast bought TechTV from Ziff-Davis Publishing. The network was much better under ZD's control...

Re:Balance (1)

XdevXnull (905214) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169153)

The only time I ever watch Spike is for syndicated eps of ST:TNG. Occaisionally a room mate will put on Takeshi no Chousenjou (MXC in america). The only thing I liked about that show was seeing Beat Takeshi, the Japanese version of Sammy L Jackson, on such a ridiculous program.

sucks (5, Insightful)

reachums (949416) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166763)

Well, that sucks. The whole reason I liked watching G4 was the Tech stuff. When they added Star Trek, I didn't mind. I like Star Trek, and if you stretch your logic it is kind of about technology as well. But the Man Show, Street Furry, Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, none of those are really about tech. I guess you could make an argument about Street Furry being about Car technology, but I digress.

There are in fact women who watch G4, and they are totally leaving us out. We don't want to watch the Man Show (for obvious reasons), I want to watch shows that focus on Technology and Gaming. I want to have guests that all Geeks can enjoy, male or female, young or old. I want Icons to tell me about Tech/Geek icons, not male icons.

Wasn't Spike TV supposed to be the Chanel for men?

Re:sucks (4, Insightful)

almostmanda (774265) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166845)

This is just another effort to get the young men back into watching TV. The 18-24 males have pretty much disappeared as far as ratings by demographic go. I guess the G4 higher-ups realized that talking about video games and the internet all the time is counter-productive when they're trying to lure men AWAY from those forms of entertainment.

Re:sucks (3, Insightful)

linzeal (197905) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167117)

This is insightful as all heck. Out of my dozen of so friends the only ones that still watch TV the 3-4 hours a day, like most demographics; either are complete losers or have children whom they supervise when watching. I myself will be going on 6 years without cable TV soon and the only show I watch is Lost, which I download.

Re:sucks (3, Insightful)

toad3k (882007) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167383)

I never really thought about it, but a lot of the people I know in that age bracket indeed do not watch tv anymore.

I wonder what happened. The internet I guess.

Re:sucks (1)

Programmer_In_Traini (566499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167066)

Please mod that parent up!

I'm so annoyed at what G4 became ... and is becoming even more. SpikeTV already requires a very low IQ to remotely appreciate and it seems G4 now wants to appeal to the same public.

Are they trying to tell us they think gamers/techies have low IQs, that we like shows filled with cliches and pop crap ?

OK, so now we need a new tech tv, where we'll be able to watch... tech stuff because I really don't care about jessica alba's latest iPod!

Re:sucks (0)

plover (150551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167738)

Are they trying to tell us they think gamers/techies have low IQs, that we like shows filled with cliches and pop crap ?

It's a trap!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Really. Kinda like Tourette's, only with fark.com images stuck in my brain.

Re:sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167164)

"Wasn't Spike TV supposed to be the channel for men?"

What, we only get one? You guys have Lifetime, that Oprah channel, and that other one whose name escapes me at the moment.

Re:sucks (1)

mypalmike (454265) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167664)

"Wasn't Spike TV supposed to be the channel for men?"

What, we only get one? You guys have Lifetime, that Oprah channel, and that other one whose name escapes me at the moment.


I think you are referring to the Estrogen channel [oxygen.com] .

Re:sucks (1)

Newander (255463) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168212)

Don't forget WE

Re:sucks (1)

reachums (949416) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168059)

Hey, I don't watch any of the channels for women either, I think they suck. I would rather watch Star Trek: NG, DS9, and MXE on Spike than anything on the "women" channels. But then again I am a tech girl and we tend to not like sappy movies and tragic love stories. I much prefer to watch crazy Japanese people in red helmets!

Re:sucks (1)

irablum (914844) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168159)

MXE rocks!!!!! we want more people attempting to swing on ropes onto platforms, missing, and falling into puddles!

(not tomention the whole velcro suit thing)

Ira

Re:sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167266)

...Street Furry...

Oh gosh, they're letting Furries roam wild on the streets now?

Bryan SingerBryan Singer? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15166766)

Is this one of those Little Caesar's commercials?

Pizza Pizza!

Good Riddance (4, Informative)

MudButt (853616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166781)

I, for one, ditched G4 right after they killed TechTV. IMHO, Leo [thisweekintech.com] and Patrick [dl.tv] and Kevin [revision3.com] have much better and creative shows now. (Uh, minus Martin Sargent, who's a tool).

Re:Good Riddance (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166975)

(Uh, minus Martin Sargent, who's a tool)

Hey, I like Infected [revision3.com] . It appeals to a certain taste of warped humor.

I agree about Leo, Patrick, et. al. Their podcasts and videocasts are much better than anything that's been on G4 in a long time.

-Eric

Re:Good Riddance (1)

realilskater (76030) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167205)

I agree. When Comcast bought TechTV they killed it. I watched TechTV far more often than I watch G4. The only show I watch on G4 is Brainiac. Nothing is better than blowing things up and doing a little science along the way.

Re:Good Riddance (1)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167274)

I, for one, ditched G4 right after they killed TechTV. IMHO, Leo and Patrick and Kevin have much better and creative shows now. (Uh, minus Martin Sargent, who's a tool).

Yeah, isn't it great that G4 bought TechTV so that they could...um...not air tech shows anymore?

Died long before that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15168956)

ZDTV was and always will be the penacle of geek television programming. Cool people, good shows, interesting topics. They just needed time to develop more content and broaden their appeal. I remember calling into The Screensavers, being on live TV, and actually interacting with people who knew what the hell they were talking about. Plus Kate Botello is the sexiest geek alive right behind Amanda Tapping.

stupid (0, Redundant)

pezpunk (205653) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166793)

stupid stupid stupid stupid.

Targeted programming (4, Interesting)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166801)

Targeted programming pretty much always sucks.

Good shows might appeal more to one demographic than another, but a good show is a good show.

For example, you can make a show like "Gilmour Girls" and 30-something women will like it more than most other folks, resulting in a "cult hit" within that demographic, and TV people love it when that happens, because it makes selling ad time easier... but if you get a bunch of executives to say "we need to find a show that hits the Gilmour Girls market", that show will almost certainly be a complete train wreck, because they are not setting out to make a good show that will happen to click with certain people, but setting out to click with those people and the need for it to be good is a distant second.

Re:Targeted programming (1)

MudButt (853616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166882)

I agree to a point. Targeting a Gilmore Girls audience is way too specific. But do you really believe a Tech audience is just as slim? I think there's a HUGE market for a true tech channel.

TechTV was steadily growing in viewers and sponsorship while G4 was steadily declining. Viacom bought TechTV JUST for its viewers, not for the shows. That's why Call For Help, The Screen Savers, Fresh Gear, etc. were phased out. G4 is back on the decline now that TechTV viewers are getting sick of Sarah Lane et al.

Re:Targeted programming (2, Informative)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166982)

Actually, Sarah Lane left AoTS and the network a couple weeks ago to get married and travel around the world. The last surviving Screen Saver alum is now gone from G4.

Re:Targeted programming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167159)

At least we have Morgan Webb to look at on X-Play (she's a Screen Saver's alum too moved on)! Adam is a mildly cool dork, and Morgan is well... a teenager gamer geek's wet dream.

Same story with Cartoon Network (4, Interesting)

thedogcow (694111) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166806)

Yeah, I've noticed program changes with Adult Swim. Someone tell me why they are showing "Saved by the Bell" on Adult Swim?

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

NekoXP (67564) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166858)

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167220)

Nostalgia.

Ahh nothing like stoking those jailbait fantasies I suppose... It's fun to catch a couple of these for nostalgia's sake, but I sure hope they won't make a habit of this sort of thing. I watch Adult Swim for two reasons, anime, and the crazy wacked out comedy animated series. I don't want to see any live action. Oh and those homoerotic Burger King ads are totally creeping me out. They did something similar promoting Lord of the Rings too.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

vandon (233276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166861)

Because everyone knows that a '80s TV-G show belongs on late night 'Adult Swim'

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

ronfar (52216) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166993)

Because everyone knows that a '80s TV-G show belongs on late night 'Adult Swim'
That reminds me of the following from a book review I read once...

All of which might lend Klosterman some pathos if he didn't brag so much about his heterosexual conquests and quasi-cynical manipulation of scores of alleged girlfriends. More disturbing are his obsessions with teen and pre-teen pop culture, as exemplified by a creepy essay on Saved by the Bell -- I HAVE FOUND the metaphor for everything vile in my generation, and its name is Chuck Klosterman by Mark Ames [nypress.com]
First they start showing live action movies like Dumb and Dumber.

Now they are doing a two week trial of.... shudder... Saved by the Bell during their Adult Swim Block: Adult Swim 'Saved by the Bell' [zap2it.com] (note creepy Saved by the Bell homo-erotic image used to advertise the show...)

I wonder how long before they change it to the 'C'-Network or something to de-emphasize cartoons..

Well, at least I have one more season of Venture Brothers [mancubus.net] to look forward too until they pull the plug....

It's sad though... I saw so many shows I would have missed out on because of Cartoon Network, like the great series Paranoia Agent [paranoiaagent.com] ... I'll just have to pay more attention to the Internet from now on...

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

denidoom (865832) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169016)

Adult Swim has a pretty interesting lineup. New [adult swim] Shows Revealed [animationmagazine.net]
Assy McGee looks especially humorous!

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15166906)

Survey says that Alyssa Milano's later career choices are attracting an unexpected crowd to her earlier work...

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

shawb (16347) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167073)

My guess is that saved by the bell was watched by the vast majority of people who watch adult swim. Cartoon Network probably got a very good deal on the rights to it, and figured "hey, why not?" My guess is that it's similar to how I think the whole Adult Swim thing started anyways... They were given a good deal on the rights to mix up a lot of the old Hanna Barbara cartoons and played around with it a bit on Space Ghost Coast to Coast. The show proved to be a huge hit to a demographic that has been steadilly losing viewers (18-24 year old males, same as tech tv. There's my nod to being on topic.) So, they decided to set up a whole block of shows based mostly on ripping old Hanna Barbara shows apart and applying non-sequetors and uncomfortable pauses. Aqua Teen Hunger Force was also created which is the same in concept and humor style as the old HB rips (Sealab 2021, Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law, Brak Show and so on) except it uses original characters rather than the old ones.

After a bit they started adding more cartoons designed to appeal to 18-24 year old males and were then able to stretch it from one night a week to most nights of the week.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

menace3society (768451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167377)

To be more precise, Adult Swim was joined from the Hanna-Barbara mash-ups (of which Space Ghost Coast-to-Coast was an early precursor) and the Late-night Toonami block (Toonami actually started out, in the beginning, resyndicating things that had already been on US TV, like Thundercats and I think Sailor Moon, and a bunch of 60s H-B superhero shorts in between; only later Toonami moved to an all-anime format). But the guys who created Sealab 2021 actually pitched it twice, but the first time Cartoon Network didn't really have a place for it. The second time, they made a place for it, which ended up swallowing the late-night Toonami whole (including the anime aspect). Then they continued to pick up out-of-syndication 'toons to add to their lineup, and most recently bought the rights to the Boondocks series that Fox decided not to go with.

I'd like to see them pick up some of the early-90s MTV Liquid Television stuff, that shit was OUT THERE.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167395)

My guess is that it's similar to how I think the whole Adult Swim thing started anyways...

Adult Swim started with Cowboy Bebop (chock full of somewhat realistic blood and violence), not any of the in-house productions.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

lewp (95638) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167724)

Cartoon Network probably got a very good deal on the rights to it, and figured "hey, why not?"

Turner Broadcasting (CN's parent) has aired SbtB for years on TBS in the morning and early afternoon, and I think they can do whatever the hell they want with it. It's basically the reverse of what happened with Family Guy, which aired on AS and now shows up at different times on TBS.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

Picticon (728866) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167125)

I'd rather watch Saved by the Bell than some of the DRECK that Adult Swim has showed recently. Tom Goes to the Mayor and 40 oz Mouse are two of the 100% crap shows that come to mind.

I watched Saved by the Bell when they originally aired years ago... and it's nostalgia to me. And from what I understand, it's only a two week run.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167253)

Saved by the Bell was shitty when it originally aired. I watched it too when I was a kid, but that doesn't mean it was good or that I want to watch it now. 40oz Mouse and Tom Goes to the Mayor are shitty, too, but that doesn't mean "hey, pile on some more shit."

ATHF, Harvey Birdman, Sealab, Futurama, Robot Chicken, Family Guy, and Boondocks are all decent assets. I even sort of liked Case Closed. While I don't care for it, there's some clear artistic/storytelling value in that Full Metal Alchemist show. Saved by the Bell isn't a cartoon, so it doesn't even belong on Cartoon Network. It's a shitty teen sitcom. Its acting and writing was atrocious.
Yes, Robot Chicken isn't a cartoon, but it is stop-action animation. That's close-enough for me. No, Zack calling a "time out" isn't close-enough for me.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (2, Funny)

Dance_Dance_Karnov (793804) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167331)

I want to know how much they bought 'Tom' for, because if they will buy that shit, I think i just found step 2.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167155)

> Someone tell me why they are showing "Saved by the Bell" on Adult Swim?

3 words:

College drinking games.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167237)

Yeah, I've noticed program changes with Adult Swim. Someone tell me why they are showing "Saved by the Bell" on Adult Swim?

I don't know. I hated the show growing up and I hate it now.

I watch adult swim for the Anime, Boondocks, and ATHF... I wouldn't mind live action, but it would have to be adult swim like.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

ronfar (52216) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167379)

They could put on some of the live action shows based on Anime...

Well, OK, most of those are inappropriate for television (as were the Anime they were based on). I'm guessing there must be some out there besides La Blue Girl, though...

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (1)

ronfar (52216) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168137)

That's a really bad use of the offtopic mod that was used with the parent post. How is it off topic to note that what's happening with G4 is part of a general trend against narrowcasting? [museum.tv]

Well, hopefully it will be fixed in metamoderation.

Re:Same story with Cartoon Network (2, Interesting)

rabbot (740825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168929)

You guys are going to hate me...but I was so excited to hear they were bringing Saved by the Bell to Adult Swim. I loved the show when I was a kid, and it's more hilarious now (although for different reasons haha).

I think the real problems with Adult Swim, and I don't know if they still run these, are 12oz. mouse, Tom, Squidbillies, etc. They were horrible and I went back to watching comedy central during those time slots when they started running them. Saved by the Bell just brought me back.

But i'm a weirdo, so I might be in the minority here.

Young men (2, Funny)

NekoXP (67564) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166829)

Isn't it Bryan Singer that young men appeal to, and not the other way around? :)

G4 to update again (4, Funny)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166837)

Just hours after announcing their latest change, the G4 management have decided to update the channel again.

"Even with the recent changes," Finn said, "we still don't think we're still not reaching our target audience. We've decided that every program will be replaced with a guy sitting in shorts and a wifebeater, drinking a low-quality beer. The guy will occasionally scratch himself, and of course the wifebeater will be covered in the requisite motor oil and pit stains. We feel this'll really gel with the 'masculine audience' we're striving for."

Audiences will have to wait for the fall season for "Guy in a Wifebeater", but focus groups are already responding by vomiting.

Re:G4 to update again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167605)

Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force got a new job?? Schweet!

Re:G4 to update again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167788)

I'm curious to know how someone would get pit stains on a wife beater? BTW Happy 420 =)

Re:G4 to update again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167987)

"Even with the recent changes," Finn said, "we still don't think we're still not reaching our target audience. We've decided that every program will be replaced with a guy sitting in shorts and a wifebeater, drinking a low-quality beer. The guy will occasionally scratch himself, and of course the wifebeater will be covered in the requisite motor oil and pit stains. We feel this'll really gel with the 'masculine audience' we're striving for."

It's called Adult Swim sunday nights.

Wait a minute. (3, Funny)

Perseid (660451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166912)

You mean to tell me that the shiny video-game box can be used for non-interactive media?

How strange.

Re:Wait a minute. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167629)

You mean to tell me that the shiny video-game box can be used for non-interactive media?


How quaint!

wait... there was technology? (4, Funny)

adam.dorsey (957024) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166922)

Wait a second... G4 was about technology? Dude, I had no idea!

Next thing you know, people will be saying that MTV was originally designed for music videos... *shudders* The world is all crazy, Mommy...

G4 still around... (2, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15166937)

I thought the G4/G5 CPUs being replaced by Intel CPUs. Some technology just don't know how to die gracefully.

He had weird parents. (1)

Thad Boyd (880932) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167009)

I didn't know Bryan Singer's middle name was SingerBryan.

Re:He had weird parents. (2, Funny)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167751)

This is not bad proofreading or copy editing.

This is part of a new initiative to make slashdot more efficient by posting the dupe in the original story itself. No more waiting a day or two for the dupe!

SpikeTV (1)

gambit3 (463693) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167038)

So, it's SpikeTV Lite? When do they premiere Striperella and MXE?

Re:SpikeTV (1)

Adam Whisnant (877421) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167190)

Dear Lord, don't give them ideas. They already have The Man Show and Banzai.

Re:SpikeTV (1)

glaeven (845193) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167848)

From the G4 wiki article:
. . .originally dedicated to video games.
I feel sad now...

I don't like subjects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167136)

I have no idea who J.J. Abrams and Bryan Singer are. Icons was one of the only programs on TechTV I liked. While it suffered from some of the hero-worship shortcomings of most documentary subjects, it was decent-enough edutainment about people that otherwise would be ignored by edutainment channels because they didn't cause any military conflicts that the U.S. has been engaged in, and weren't subjects of murder trials.

Ok, I've looked up J.J. Abrams on Wikipedia and he sounds like his life should be pretty-well covered by Entertainment Tonight or whatever the show that stalks celebrities in the television industry is called. G4 seems to not have a clear idea of what male they're targetting with their TechTV acquisition. I can tell you what a possibly...intolerant group of people that correlate with certain...masculine...interests are going to think of J.J. Abrams are going to think when they see he attended SLC. Well, assuming they know anything about SLC.

Anyway, killing off Icons basically removes the last program I even watch on G4. I tried watching Brainiacs, but it was really just a more scientifically-challenged version of Myth Busters. I've seen every episode of Star Trek TNG at least three times and have no desire to ever watch the show again. AotS, like The Screensavers, is like the Internet on Television. I might as well sit for a few hours waiting for news aggregators to update.

Why doesn't anyone make television for me, I'm not that much of an oddball. :(

Mark my words (3, Funny)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167161)

In the near future, G4 will acquire Spike TV. The new channel will be known as G4 Spike TV. Within 1-2 years, the station will be rebranded G4. Six months after that we will see an increase in programming of such things as "The Martha Steward Show"...

meh (2, Funny)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167211)

I have my G5 power mac. I could careless about the status of G4.

Scaled-back to where? (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167281)

'Attack of the Show' will be relaunched in June with a scaled-back focus on technology.

I don't see how they can do that; there's hardly any technology focus left on the show.

The only thing I still watch is X-Play. They've apparently dropped Anime Unleashed. Even the shows I used to watch on G4 before the takeover are either gone (Portal, Eye Drops) or I just stopped caring (Cinematech).

Face it, they are taking over. (2, Interesting)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167352)

An old penny-arcade comic commented on how games are now marketted at the cool kids. Not the geeks anymore.

I recently played the new Tomb Raider and I noticed something. In the first game she was a geekie kinda girl. Sure physically fit and rich but you could tell she would rather read a good book then go clubbing. A dork with tits.

But over the years she been getting further and further away from that to the point where she now seems to have some "cool" dudes hanging out with her and having totally changed her way of talking.

It seems to me very clear that this game is being marketted at a different audience. This is a game for cool kids who look, or at least think they look, like the characters in the game. Geeks need not apply.

The reason is offcourse obvious, marketshare. If you got the geek market then obviously you want to expand that to the non-geek market and so you add some stuff, remove some stuff and then wonder what the fuck happened because nobody is watching anymore.

I like to call the effect, BBC program being raped by the yanks. BBC is geekie. They got ugly losers losing in the game that is life. Wether that is red dwarf or scapheap challenge it is about fat sad people being normal.

Give that to an american producer and he will attempt to cool it up. Search for Red Dwarf american pilot for a real horror show. The american version of scrapheap challenge removes the team factor (instead having the nightmare of all geeks, the being picked by the team leader leading to the horror of being the last one picked, remember that from school?), adds meaningless radiochatter and camera movements and in general looks like a show that feels american. Ugh.

Sadly it sells. Face it, we as geeks are not a big enough group. Even if a product is successfull at targetting us it is only a matter of time until some person looking for promotion suggest altering it to appeal to a larger audience.

Old tv shows don't die, they just get reworked to appeal to more and more people until finally nobody watches anymore.

MTV has become a joke for being the music station that no longer airs music. It was so much a joke that other stations sprang up to replace it. Now they too are starting with more and more non-music. Why? Because we got this insane law that forbids us from shooting people from marketting.

Re:Face it, they are taking over. (1)

Eberlin (570874) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167695)

Wait, we have laws against shooting marketeers? Now you tell me! Seriously, though, a lot of things are based on growing market share. I guess it's the inherent greed in the system.

You've got a demographic...but wait, if you just alter a few things, then you'd get more people (and money). As you described, things get altered and altered until finally you've pissed off every demographic you had -- they identified with your product, and as you've altered it so much, they are alienated by it. Afterwards, all you're left with is the OMG PONIES!!! crowd. :)

It's the same all over. A company can't just be profitable...they have to show growth from quarter to quarter. So they cut corners on product quality, outsource the workforce, and pretty much do whatever they can to see their numbers go up. Their employees suffer, and the consumers suffer. Since the rich execs don't really feel any financial strain until it's all but over, they don't realize it until it's too late.

Then again, I'm just some clueless bystander in this game.

Re:Face it, they are taking over. (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169104)

Ok, I think you're full of crap and here's why:

1) The entire point of the *new* Lara Croft is that she's more realistic. Sure it's still a blow-up doll, but at least it's something that a real woman could look like with a huge dose of plastic surgery and talented make-up artists. Maybe. But it's a dozen times better than the old Lara Croft who had basketballs for breasts. This change has nothing to do with geeky/non-geeky, it's just a long-overdue response to the criticism the character has taken since day one.

2) The American pilot of Red Dwarf wasn't that bad. It didn't screw with the format any more than Red Dwarf did every couple seasons, and it had some really good writing (and some really bad acting.) "Three million years? My God... my baseball cards must be worth MILLIONS!" is a good joke. It's not a British joke, but it's a good one.

Anyway, I'm just sick of seeing your brand of geek elitism. People are just people... if a guy likes both video games and football, what's so bad about that?

Don't watch much American TV do you? (1)

technoextreme (885694) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169199)

The american version of scrapheap challenge removes the team factor (instead having the nightmare of all geeks, the being picked by the team leader leading to the horror of being the last one picked, remember that from school?), adds meaningless radiochatter and camera movements and in general looks like a show that feels american. Ugh.

The vast majority of Junkyard Wars was much closer to the show than what you are describing. What you are describing is what happened right before the show went off the air. I think the situation was trying anything and everything to get their viewers. It also hurts your argument that they aired both series before the whole Americanized crap.

bring back patric norton and his big hammer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15167726)

Any station that would let patric norton loose with a sledge hammer and a pc or better yet a bench transformer cranked all the way up and some electrical components. now that was good tv. leo was cool too megan and kat were nice. put on more girl geek shows.
I mean sex and tech what else could a guy ask for.
  oh ya and beer!

This happened a long time ago... (2, Interesting)

Bungleman (955072) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167761)

I can still remember back in the day when this channel was ZDTV... I was all excited when my satellite provider added a new computer channel that I stumbled on one day. I remember watching Dvorak argue with people, seeing hardware reviews, news programs... it was cool to be a nerd.

Then ZDTV turned into TechTV and it was still good. I loved The Screen Savers with Leo and Patrick (and Kate before that), Call for Help, plus the news and hardware reviews (Fresh Gear)... even the X Play show was cool back then (it was Extended Play and didn't include Morgan Webb). There was even anime and stuff, but it still felt in line with the tech/nerd culture.

Even TechTV started to go downhill though... with shows like Unscrewed with Martin Sergeant (poser), Wired for Sex, and the hundred reruns of Robot Wars. But it completely fell apart when G4 bought it, and I've only watched about three shows on it since the buyout (all of them were Icons).

Now I'm just waiting for someone else to make a real tech channel the caliber of the old ZDTV/TechTV. It's not like they have any competition...

Re:This happened a long time ago... (1)

Tinn-Can (938690) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168052)

I miss leo, kate and the fridge... what ever happened to that? :( maybe they can just reform ZDTV and break off from G4

Bring Back STARCADE!!!! (1)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167830)

Not the pro wrestling version of Starcade (although I wouldn't put it past G4 to do that these days).

I'm talking about the classic video game "game show" from the early 80's with Geoff Edwards.

Unpossible! (1)

Rydia (556444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167897)

Technology and gaming shows don't pull in enough viewers to support a network? Holy crap!

Awesome (1)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 8 years ago | (#15167906)

This is great news!great news and I can'''t wait for it.
for it.
for it.

Screensavers... (1)

JKSN17 (956518) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168197)

I miss "The Screensavers"... I got so much out of that show.

G4 used o be great (1)

jbrader (697703) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168218)

A few years ago when I first came across G4 it was really fun. It was all about games and all the shows had a real "we love games" kind of attitude. There was also some pretty good unintentional comedy (Starcade, although I would occasionally find myself getting into the competition on that show). But then when they bought tech tv they ruined both channels. Now there's almost nothing about games and evn when they do talk about them they almost exclusively talk shit. If I love games why would I want to watch a couple of smarmy assholes talk shit about them? Even when they give a game a good review they still make stupid little sarcastic jokes. Oh and Morgan Webb is not sexy, if you think she's hot you need to go outside and look around.

Re:G4 used o be great (1)

Tinn-Can (938690) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168293)

you are right it was all about Sumi Das...rawr show me that new stuff honey

Why? (2, Insightful)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 8 years ago | (#15168367)

Why is this happpening Again.

AOTS, ICONS, and Xplay are the only shows worth a damn left on that network. And then only when focused on Tech.

The only thing I can think of is that their ratings are higher for Street Fury (Occassionally I will stop here until the host speaks) and that other crap fox show and the man show then the tech used to bring in. They think this will translate into daytime viewers. Idiots.

Don't ditch the Tech shows. Improve the tech shows. How about some hosts who have actually read through their material before they read it off the telepromter. How about leaving ICONS the hell alone, I enjoy that show consistently because they are ICONS to me and its like a tech history lesson for my wife in only a half hour. How about some actual budgets. How about NeverMind I'll just watch the podcasts of your old techTV employees.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169169)

It's happening again because G4 is trying to chase down a demographic...

$$$ Dictates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15168836)

Complain all your want folks, the facts remain, as a Tech channel it just didn't rake in enough dollars. G4 as a game channel didn't rake in enough dollars. So they tried a merger. That didn't rake in enough dollars.

This process will go on until they either hit on a formula that works (like MTV did) or die off. Face the facts, it's a business, not a charity.

Burn it down.. (1)

XMultiply (947654) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169117)

I hope this channel gets wiped off the map. Back when it was Tech TV, I use to watch almost every show (Screen Savers, Call for Help, etc..), and when they merged with G4, there were some interesting additions (including Icons which is the best damn show on that network). Now it's Star Trek, Man Show, and Attack of the Show which caters to brain dead college kids, and X-play which is a basically 99% repeats, and God-awful comedy skits that take up 3/4 of the show. Rot in Hell G4

Why did they even buy TechTV? (1)

assassinator42 (844848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169132)

Apparently because they knew G4 wasn't as good, and wanted to kill off the competition. It's too bad they couldn't have just made their network better.
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