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A Tour of Microsoft's Mac Lab

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the so-many-shiny-boxes dept.

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I'm Don Giovanni writes "David Weiss of Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit (MacBU) gives a virtual tour of Microsoft's Mac Lab at Redmond, reportedly one of the largest Mac labs outside of Apple (includes 150 Mac minis!)." Great pictures. From the article: "The first area in the Mac Lab is what we call the Sandbox. This is where we keep all significant hardware configurations Apple has released that run our products. We'll use the Plasma display to, watch DVDs and play games, uh er, I mean, do important training presentations. ;-) It's actually very useful because everyone can be in front of a computer and still see the main screen and follow along. Often other groups at Microsoft (the games group, hardware drivers group and even the Windows media group) will come and schedule time in the Mac Lab to test their software on the different hardware configurations."

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A Tour of Microsoft's Meth Lab (1, Offtopic)

basneder (591273) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169122)

Well, i guess they wanna get everybody hooked

I think they... (1)

LeddRokkenstud (945664) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169127)

I'm pretty sure they just use to Apple lab to play Warcraft 3 over a LAN all day.

Sure, we have a mac lab... (1, Funny)

The_Fire_Horse (552422) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169128)

... right through that door marked 'Exit'

I feel a disturbance in the force... (5, Funny)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169129)

...as if millions of slashdotters applied for testing jobs at Microsoft and then were suddenly silenced.

Re:I feel a disturbance in the force... (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169203)

First thing they should do is hire someone who knows cable management. Jeezus.

Otherwise, cool pics.

Re:I feel a disturbance in the force... (2, Interesting)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169245)

Been there, done that. What happens is you have five recruiters representing Microsoft saying that you're qualified for the hottest openings that they have, and then they string you along for two months until it becomes obvious that the position has already been filled by an internal candidate. Meanwhile, your unemployment benefits run out. They don't call it the Evil Empire for nothing.

How ironic... (5, Funny)

tdvaughan (582870) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169142)

It looks like the Mac Business Unit alone is responsible for at least 1% out of Apple's 5% market share!

Re:How ironic... (3, Funny)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169179)

for at least 1% out of Apple's 5% market share!

Does that mean they're responsible for 0.05% of the market share?

Re:How ironic... (0, Offtopic)

sgt_doom (655561) | more than 8 years ago | (#15170048)

I believe they are responsible for what in the retail world is known as:

the returned items

"Heckuva job, Brownie!" Geo. W. Bush

"Great job, Rummy!" Geo. W. Bush

"Wonderful job, Bushie!" Satan

Re:How ironic... (0)

geofferensis (808339) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169537)

"It looks like the Mac Business Unit alone is responsible for at least 1% out of Apple's 5% market share!"

Why is that ironic? Microsoft is one of Apple's biggest investors.

Well OF COURSE they have a Mac lab! (5, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169146)

Where do you think the Vista user interface design team has been spending all it's time?

Re:Well OF COURSE they have a Mac lab! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169191)

Clearly not in Microsoft's Linux lab.

Re:Well OF COURSE they have a Mac lab! (2, Funny)

IHSW (960644) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169698)

Proof [google.com] :P

Does Apple have a Windows lab? (4, Interesting)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169172)

Now that iTunes and other apps run in Windows, does Apple have a Windows lab?

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (1)

creepynut (933825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169190)

That's probably a safe assumption to make.

However, given that now Apple uses Intel, I'd bet an arm and a leg that they use Apple hardware now. After all, why not?

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (1)

Dis*abstraction (967890) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169214)

Because there's more to a PC than its processor?

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (3, Insightful)

linguae (763922) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169260)

Because there's more to a PC than its processor?

If Apple were developing systems software and operating systems for vanilla x86 PCs, then I will agree with your statement. Apple would need a vanilla PC lab in order to test all of the hardware combinations.

However, Apple doesn't develop systems software for Windows that require in-depth knowledge about hardware drivers. When developing regular Windows systems software, it doesn't matter if you are using a vanilla Intel or AMD machine or a Mac (there is no difference between a Mac and a PC other than the fact that the Mac doesn't use legacy components such as BIOS, serial/parallel ports, floppy drives, etc.). With the Intel switch, Apple doesn't need to run out and buy a lab of vanilla PCs; they can just manufacture a few more Mac Minis, install Windows, and start hacking.

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169361)

However, Apple doesn't develop systems software for Windows that require in-depth knowledge about hardware drivers.
Not even, say, making sure that iTunes' audio output code works with a wide variety of sound cards?

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169390)

Unlikely, given DirectSound or (I'm guessing) another MS abstraction of outputting audio...

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15170095)

Or even push the Quicktime rendering out to the GPU of how many different Video cards?

In the real world, device drivers have bugs. (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169393)

However, Apple doesn't develop systems software for Windows that require in-depth knowledge about hardware drivers.

But Apple still needs to test on a representative variety of hardware if Apple wants to make its applications robust against defective drivers that are, unfortunately, common in the Windows world.

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (1)

IntlHarvester (11985) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169633)

The CD Burning probably requires a lot of hardware testing, not to mention iPod support.

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (1)

PayPaI (733999) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169939)

Not developed by Apple. [gearsoftware.com]

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169192)

does Apple have a Windows lab?

No shit.

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (1, Interesting)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169205)

What would be really nice is if they got a Linux lab, so I could run iTunes natively under Linux.

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169609)

You mean there's no Free Open Source equivalent to the iTunes client? For shame!
Better check Sourceforge just to be sure...

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (1)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 8 years ago | (#15170071)

I have.

I cannot purchase music from the iTunes music store and play it under Linux. That means that my free music that I purchased with my soda caps last year (quite a bit) can't be played under Linux.

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (0, Flamebait)

GmAz (916505) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169230)

Not a lab, but each employee just brings his home PC to work for Apple to use and takes it back home each day. Wonder what percentage of Apple employees use wintel machines at home.

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (4, Funny)

Stephen Gilbert (554986) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169357)

And if they do, do other groups at Apple line up to use it?

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (1)

geofferensis (808339) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169548)

"And if they do, do other groups at Apple line up to use it?"

I would imagine they have one to test Bootcamp.

Unless you mean a lab filled with dells or something. The line between Mac and PC is not what it used to be.

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (4, Funny)

mh101 (620659) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169814)

Only because they mistakenly think it's the lineup for the washrooms.

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (4, Informative)

mblase (200735) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169639)

does Apple have a Windows lab?

How else do you think they got BootCamp [apple.com] up and running?

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169668)

Gotta post anon, but yeah. Despite all the noise about unfairness, we do a fair bit of benchmarking against similar hardware. That and not everything is written for a Mac; we are a hardware company and we do design hardware. Sometimes we can get it to run on a Mac, but sometimes it's better to just buy a few Dell's, throw Linux and Windows on them and give them to the teams. It's the ship date that matters, not whether we eat our own dog food (although we do try to eat it when possible).

Re:Does Apple have a Windows lab? (1)

joshetc (955226) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169747)

Isn't it hard to develop and compile software for windows without windows?

old news (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169173)

This was on digg way earlier. Slashdot, I'm sorry, but we just can't see each other any more. I mean, you're so far away from "what's happening" in the IT world, and you're just soooo not where I'm at in life right now.

We can still be friends, but, don't tell anyone you and I were together, it would damage THE COMMUNITY if they found out.

Re:old news (1)

st1d (218383) | more than 8 years ago | (#15170043)

Don't worry, Slashdot won't tell. It doesn't want any of those same friends finding out the two of you were more than friends either. Oh, and Slashdot was just faking it with you, and only got real satisfaction from your friends. :)

Undercover marketing? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169174)

Between this and the story we heard yesterday from the ex-Unix Microsoft programmer, do you get the feeling that some sort of viral/undercover "come work at Microsoft" marketing is going on?

Re:Undercover marketing? (1)

DigitlDud (443365) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169195)

No, that's reserved for OSTG affiliates. =)

Re:Undercover marketing? (4, Insightful)

prichardson (603676) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169221)

Microsoft doesn't need to advertise for people to want to work there. They have people lining up at the door to work there.

Re:Undercover marketing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169240)

Yeah but once they get a job, they're lining up at the door to get out.

Re:Undercover marketing? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169244)

Except good Mac software isn't written by those kinds of "people." For that you need well-rounded renaissance men and women, architects and dilettantes who synthesize the arts, literature, science, and engineering to produce a beauty unparalleled in the computer industry.

Re:Undercover marketing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169314)

So basically, you're saying that all people who use Macs are fags. Tell us something we didn't already know.

Re:Undercover marketing? (4, Funny)

YU Nicks NE Way (129084) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169380)

For that you need well-rounded renaissance men and women, architects and dilettantes who synthesize the arts, literature, science, and engineering
Not to mention plastic injection molding...

Agreed .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169223)

Between this and the story we heard yesterday from the ex-Unix Microsoft programmer, do you get the feeling that some sort of viral/undercover "come work at Microsoft" marketing is going on?

From now on, the policy is "NO MORE POSITIVE STORIES ABOUT MICROSOFT ON /.!". Since _anything_ positive is obviously a ploy by the evil empire to get folks to let their guards down. Next thing you know they'll be publishing articles about the cute fuzzy animals that Microsofties keep as pets.

A Tour of Bill Gates' Black Lab (1)

Orrin Bloquy (898571) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169466)

"As the sphygmascope snakes up the rectum of 'Buster,' the purebred black Labrador Retriever belonging to the world's richest man..."

Re:Undercover marketing? (1)

Chokolad (35911) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169831)

> Between this and the story we heard yesterday from the ex-Unix Microsoft programmer,

Yesterday ex-Unix programmer story was written about 2 years ago, so I highly doubt it is related.

Who cares? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169225)

Slashdot, Microsoft's cheesy feel-good corporate blogaganda, stuff that makes you cringe.

I think we've had tours of just about everywhere that Microsoft want to show us. Hey guys, they have a linux lab, a Mac lab and they insist they're not evil. I think they doth protest too much, they've been trying to garner sympathy for some time now and I think it's pathetic. ABM!

The last guy who did this got fired. (5, Insightful)

justinarthur (564449) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169226)

This is very interesting to see since the last guy in the news to blog about Microsoft's Macs got fired for it [slashdot.org] . Perhaps this is the rebound from the bad press they recieved over that incident?

Re:The last guy who did this got fired. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169256)

It's pretty bizarre actually. Microsoft is a pretty liberal company that's difficult to actually get your ass fired from. I bet this guy had done more than just post that picture that they're not talking about.

Re:The last guy who did this got fired. (2, Informative)

bheer (633842) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169323)

He got fired for showing off a company loading area on his blog (which is supposed to be off-limits to cameras). It had nothing to do with Macs.

Re:The last guy who did this got fired. (1)

Large Green Mallard (31462) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169912)

It should also be noted he worked at the on-site photocopier shop, not as a software engineer/dev.

Re:The last guy who did this got fired. (4, Interesting)

donutello (88309) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169431)

The Macs he photographed were going to the XBox360 team to use as dev kits. At that time it was not publicly announced that the 360 would be based upon a PowerPC core. My guess is that had something to do with his firing.

Re:The last guy who did this got fired. (5, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169570)

Even more than what he took pictures of, it sounds like the primary concern is the overall security of the area. Loading docks are where you find perhaps the biggest danger of theft in any business ("it fell off the truck"). Publishing pictures of a company's loading dock/area could expose security flaws...insert joke about Windows security here...and give evildoers a way to plan a theft.

Lamest excuse ever. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169820)

Even more than what he took pictures of, it sounds like the primary concern is the overall security of the area. Loading docks are where you find perhaps the biggest danger of theft in any business

That has got to be one of the lamest excuses ever. Loading docks are not secrets anywhere. They are public places you advertise so that the public can send things you buy and pick up things you sell.

Re:Lamest excuse ever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169995)

No, that's OK willy. Really, don't worry. You can continue to believe what you want to believe and keep on trying to desperately spread FUD by using the "they fired someone for taking pictures of Macs and posting them on their blogs" meme in your hysterical bullet point-filled essays about how "M$ is teh suxxorz".

So carry on. No one expects that you will use your brain in any meaningful way, even with your "master's degree" from some dodgy night school in the bayou.

Re:Lamest excuse ever. (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 8 years ago | (#15170136)

Yeah, see, I didn't say anything about keeping the place "secret" (resulting in trucks wandering about, looking for the place to load/unload). I talked about security. The words "secret" and "security" mean different things...unless you work at Microsoft, of course.

That said, I wouldn't have necessarily fired him because he was taking pictures in a place where one is not supposed to be taking pictures. The reason I would have fired the guy is because he was taking pictures of something his company was doing and sharing them, which probably wasn't in his f**king job description. And why did he do it? So that he could take pleasure in the fact that he was making a big revelation? Screw him.

Whatever I might think of Microsoft on a given day, if I was working for them I would do my job and keep my mouth shut about things I might see and do that my company wants to keep close. If someone wants to reveal company projects to the public, they can get a career in PR/marketing.

Re:The last guy who did this got fired. (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 8 years ago | (#15170007)

I used to do a fair amount of work at Dells loading docks. The main culprits for theft were of course Security themselves. Third party thefts were very uncommon, though the most interesting thefts were those of people who would attempt to steal full trailers full of computers. They almost always failed.

Re:The last guy who did this got fired. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169844)

AFAIR the guy was not a Microsoft employee, he was a contractor.

Microsoft Advocacy (5, Interesting)

MrNonchalant (767683) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169231)

This seems like it's part of a broader wave of MS advocacy and transparency that has unfolded over the past year or so. Although I still don't like Microsoft terribly much, these glimpses inside have given me some pause. The employees and culture seem actually decent enough.

Usually a bit more sensible (1)

NoScreenNamesLeft (958015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169268)

I usually see that Linux and Windows advocates are fairly reserved and sensible. Many other enthusiasts such as the OS/2 fanatics observe this behaviour also. I can't really say the same thing for many mac enthusiasts.

Re:Usually a bit more sensible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169638)

*
            >I usually see that Linux and Windows advocates are fairly reserved and sensible.

            Try declaring yourself a Mac user to these "reserved and sensible" dudes (dudes like you, for instance) and see how you get on.

Re:Usually a bit more sensible (2, Funny)

Dis*abstraction (967890) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169984)

I'm sorry, but as a lifelong Mac user, I refuse to read comments set in monospace type. It is most displeasing to the eye.

Re:Microsoft Advocacy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169396)

Well, the evil is not in the people, it's in the system.

Even most AOL employees are probably nice people, but the company as a whole behaves like a first class a**hole.

Re:Microsoft Advocacy (1)

sgt_doom (655561) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169989)

Sure..and remember what Jonah said after he'd been swallowed by that beastly whale:

It may be dark and stink like a mutha in here, but at least it's warm.

Door label (5, Funny)

Wm_K (761378) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169237)

Off the record but I've heard that the label on the Mac lab door actually reads "the copy room"

Re:Door label - wrong room! (1)

sgt_doom (655561) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169851)

Nope - the door sign actually reads:

Level 1

[George Bush finally admits to hearing voices.]

Bug Testing (2, Interesting)

xwizbt (513040) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169264)

I love the comment:

"Mac Office is one of those "software in the large" projects. There's really no way a team of our size would be able to adequately test all of Office without the use of automated testing. Every day we get a new build of Office from the build machines, we copy it to our Xserve RAID connected to our dual G5 Xserve for access by our 249 automation machines. We then run thousands and thousands of tests on the new build. Typically we get 4 builds of Office each day: English Ship, English Debug, Japanese Ship and Japanese Debug. We run our entire battery of tests against all the builds and then report any failures to testers via email. The testers investigate the failures, log any bugs and then move on to their other duties as testers. This turns out to be very effective, if used properly, and over time it allows testers to focus on things humans do best, while letting computers verify the repetitious and mundane, but necessary, testing. It all started with our Blue and White G3s years ago. At first when testers would upgrade their test machines, instead of recycling the machines, "The Lab" would get them to add them to our automation machine pool. I think we had about 20 machines to begin with."

So how is it when I attempt to view a word document I always manage to hit the error. I'm not being a wiseass - it's not every time. But if this takes place, why do I see so many difficulties when I attempt to view a word-for-windows document?

Re:Bug Testing (1)

DigitlDud (443365) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169281)

They can't fix EVERY bug in the product, man.

Re:Bug Testing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169302)

because you're a jackass?

Re:Bug Testing (4, Funny)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169440)

The answer is in that quote:

The testers investigate the failures, log any bugs and then move on to their other duties as testers.

It doesn't say anyone actaully fixes the bugs they log, does it?

Re:Bug Testing (1)

xwipeoutx (964832) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169551)

Testers don't fix bugs, devs do.

Re:Bug Testing (1)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169574)

I know that; the quote still doesn't say the bugs get fixed does it?

Testing is not the end-all of bugs (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169484)

So how is it when I attempt to view a word document I always manage to hit the error.

Until some breakthrough in formal verification [wikipedia.org] occurs in the next few years, testing cannot assure 100 percent coverage of all combinations of cases that may appear, especially when an app has to interact with buggy device drivers. As for your problem, have you tried opening it and saving it in OpenOffice.org Writer?

A Tour of Microsoft's Fucking Kill You Lab (4, Funny)

Orrin Bloquy (898571) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169275)

An entire room filled with bright, cheerful Microserfs wearing shirt padding and plastic bald caps greet me as I enter the Fucking Kill You Lab in Redmond's well-lit East Campus. Before I can say a word, chairs fly across the room in all directions as each vows to Fucking Kill (TM) Google, Apple, Sun, Linus Torvalds, and inexplicably, Olestra.

Fucking Kill You Lab director Thaul Purrott tells me that this is "the future of Windows innovation" and not surprisingly, customer support just as an airborne chair caster nearly decapitates him.

Re:A Tour of Microsoft's Fucking Kill You Lab (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169439)

I believe Thaul Purrott is the assistant director. The lab director is actually Gil Bates.

MS development (1)

invader_allan (583758) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169285)

I guess this is one of the ways Apple was able to keep MS developing for them for the next few years. I wonder who designs Microsoft's labs, and how this compares to their PC development setup? They must have a warehouse of PC's considering they have 150 mini's...

Free Soda... (3, Funny)

djocyko (214429) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169289)

But no Coke Zero? Lame.

Re:Free Soda... (1)

Y-Crate (540566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169507)

"But no Coke Zero? Lame."
There really isn't much of a demand in the Microsoft labs for soda that has a battery acid aftertaste.

Re:Free Soda... (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169539)

But no Coke Zero? Lame.

Don't worry...there's plenty of Zima for the lame.

Another favourable article about MS ... (-1, Troll)

subVorkian (138658) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169304)

I liked it better when they were strafing babies in Viet Nam

Internet Explorer (1)

iwsnet (946715) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169470)

If this Microsoft Mac group is such a large operation, I wonder why they couldn't keep developing Internet Explorer??

Re:Internet Explorer (1)

DigitlDud (443365) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169582)

Safari basically replaced it.

Re:Internet Explorer (4, Insightful)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169792)

I wonder why they couldn't keep developing Internet Explorer??

Because (to paraphrase their official statement [com.com] ) they could not hope to compete, because they couldn't get the kind of access to OS X that the Safari team could.

It's actually kind of funny when you remember that Microsoft always disputed other Windows developers' claims that they couldn't compete against Microsoft's own Windows applications for much the same reason. The term "Chinese wall" [google.com] comes to mind.

~Philly

Re:Internet Explorer (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169961)

Maybe you could share with the rest of us what, exactly, Safari needs to know about OS X that Internet Explorer, Firefox, Opera, and any other browsers don't or can't?

The claim against Microsoft is valid. Try this on Windows. Open Internet Explorer, and go to the Windows Update site. Note how you're able to download and upgrade your operating system through the browser. Now try it on Firefox. It won't work. Surprise.

Now try the same thing on your Mac. Open Safari and... oh wait - Safari is just a web browser, and System Updates are handled through an entirely different mechanism built into the Operating System! How surprising.

Re:Internet Explorer (1)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 8 years ago | (#15170059)

That's odd, because last I checked, the code that drives Safari (not the GUI but the frameworks that do all the actual work) are based on KHTML and open source [opendarwin.org] . If Apple wanted to use a bunch of undocumented APIs to make Safari better than everyone else's software, an open-source project would probably not be the place to do it.

Re:Internet Explorer (1)

mh101 (620659) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169797)

Away with you and your foul mouth! We're better off without IE.

Linux Lab (5, Funny)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169542)

Here's a tour of Microsoft's Linux Lab:






Cool, huh?

Re:Linux Lab (2, Interesting)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 8 years ago | (#15170017)

Actually Microsoft has a very large Linux lab. I've seen it myself and there was a story on it on Slashdot about a year ago.

Microsoft on Macs and a Google blog?!? (5, Interesting)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169588)

A Microsoft employee is reporting on Mac use from a site owned by Google? Hang on, I think I see a pig passing by my 4th story window...

Why is his blog not on an MSN domain or something like that?

Re:Microsoft on Macs and a Google blog?!? (1)

jcnnghm (538570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169680)

Have you ever met someone that worked at a restaurant and didn't eat every meal there? I sure haven't.

Re:Microsoft on Macs and a Google blog?!? (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169742)

I don't host my site on my company's web servers. It's not that far out of the realm of reason.

PR crap (5, Interesting)

metamatic (202216) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169772)

Often other groups at Microsoft (the games group, hardware drivers group and even the Windows media group) will come and schedule time in the Mac Lab to test their software on the different hardware configurations.

Yeah, right. The Windows media group have given up on Windows Media Player for the Mac [connectedhomemag.com] , so what are they testing?

And since when does the Microsoft games group develop anything for the Mac? Halo was ported by Westlake Interactive and MacSoft [the-junkyard.net] , and they dropped the Mac port of Flight Simulator decades ago. So what games are actually written at Microsoft for the Mac?

Drivers? They licensed the code for their Mac mouse drivers from Alessandro Montalcini. Maybe they do a little testing now and again, but most of it is just USB HID anyway. Do Microsoft make any other hardware for the Mac?

Internet Explorer? Oh, sorry, they dropped that too.

The whole thing smells like PR crap designed to make Microsoft look like a major developer of Mac software, when in truth all they really work on these days is Office.

Re:PR crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15169885)

While it's true that the only Mac product that Microsoft sells is Office, they are still the 2nd largest Mac developer, and that's pretty major.

Re:PR crap & Pseudo-branding (1)

sgt_doom (655561) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169938)

I believe the term is pseudo-branding. They want to be associated with iMac and Apple so everyone will think they're way kewl and begin to think of the iPod as a Microsoft product.....

Windows Media group (2, Interesting)

theid0 (813603) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169804)

I'd be interested to know why the Windows Media group is in the Mac lab. They did such a poor job on their Mac port that they are now directing people to 3rd party software.

On the cutting room floor. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169833)

It's actually very useful because everyone can be in front of a computer and still see the main screen and follow along.

He continued, "and it hardly costs a thing compared our other labs. It takes one fifth the man hours to keep up and the hardware works for year and years due to it's modularity and minimalism," but the PR department cut that out.

Imagine, a beowulf cluster of.. (0, Redundant)

Arghdee (813921) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169886)

Oh, come on... you were thinking it too!

150 Mac Minis and not a beowulf cluster joke in sight?

A dream come true (1)

mkiwi (585287) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169948)

From the article:
Just like everywhere at Microsoft, we get all-you-can-drink beverages.

Does that include beer?

Gotta have that buzz when you're developing!

Amazing (0, Troll)

gentlemen_loser (817960) | more than 8 years ago | (#15169978)

Somehow, Microsoft has managed to make Macs look unappealing. There's just something about them sitting in that borgish configuration displaying on the older CRT monitors that makes them look cheap. Amazing.
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