Ebert Reviews 'Silent Hill' 124
Last week, along with attending an 'epic' debate, Ebert had the time to take in Silent Hill. Did he enjoy it? Not so much. From the article: "Now here's a funny thing. Although I did not understand the story, I would have appreciated a great deal less explanation. All through the movie, characters are pausing in order to offer arcane back-stories and historical perspectives and metaphysical insights and occult orientations. They talk and talk and somehow their words do not light up any synapses in my brain, if my brain has synapses and they're supposed to light up, and if it doesn't and they're not, then they still don't make any sense. Perhaps those who have played the game will understand the movie, and enjoy it. "
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1) Don't read the article
2) Barely skim over the slashdot blurb and make some post that is intended to show anger, but pretending you're too cool to care by using an "ironic" posture
3) Get FP!
4) ????
5) Gloat in self satisfaction.
Anybody who read the article would see that Ebert didn't particularilly dislike the movie. He thought it was visually intriguing and had some interesting cinematographic effects. Yes, he did feel that the plot and dialogue were lac
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So that post may h
Re:game movie..."didn't dislike"? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Saw it last night (Score:5, Informative)
Let me say first of all that I was never a big fan of the game series. A number of the people I was with were, though, and they were just as dismayed as I was. There were little bits from the game stuck in there, but even those who caught them said they felt like scraps from the dinner table. The storyline vaguely follows the game, but I totally agree with Ebert for once. I even said to my friends afterwards that I felt dumber after having seen that movie.
I guess they must have realized their movie was terrible, because they threw in massive amounts of wanton violence and excessive gore in to try and cover it up. I had to actually turn my face away, something I've never had to do before, to avoid wathing a closeup of someone's face melting over a pyre. After that, it only got worse, and some of the disturbing stuff is definitely not from the game.
-Yoweigh
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Probably, this has a lot to do with his low opinion of games in general. Since most movies based on games are in no way based on the games they are based on. Someone just buys a game's name, makes a movie and sticks the name on it. I wonder what he thought of
Re:Saw it last night (Score:2)
Here's one [suntimes.com] where he doesn't make that assumption. Sometimes a movie is so badly done that it can seem like they copied the video game because you can't imagine a screenwriter coming up with so bad a plot. Many times the plots of Video Games are horrendously bad, but are intended to facilitate gameplay. These can be hard to distinguish from horr
True to the Game (Score:2, Informative)
I for one love the original 2 games. (#3 and 4 not as much) I will never forget sitting down to play the first one late and night and being terrified. Never before did a game provide that level of horror and suspense.
The movie is true to the game genre, and for that I loved it. It is loosely centered around ideas and themes from the first game so if that was your favorite (as is mine) you should enj
Re:True to the Game (Score:2)
It does get itchy sitting in one place for so long.
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Game or Movie? (Score:1)
Inevitably, it will likely suck, but... (Score:2)
The game plays like a movie, so it should be difficult to screw up. Just as long as they don't overdo it on the dialoge. Just keep my mind on the movie and keep it a phycological thriller like the games, and I'll be hap
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They should actually use that in the promo literature:
"At least it's not directed by Uwe Boll!" says Peter Travers of Rolling Stone
Come to think of it, that might be a useful blurb for a lot of movies. Paulie Shore could finally have a blurb for one of his movies!
-Eric
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Small Review (Score:2)
Went and saw Silent Hill last night. I understand why Ebert couldn't communicate with his brain now. The movie is pretty well done. It's Silent Hills phycho-thriller aura through and through. Pretty true to the game. Not much (but still present) fanboyism. Pyramid head is back from number 2, but the storyline is from the original game. Either way, they did a great job capturing the feel of the game. Combat was avoided for the most part (no superheroes here) except
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I'll still be there opening night (Score:2)
I don't hate on the guy for having a different opinion than I'm likely to, but do find it annoying that he judges movies by criteria that the people who will actually want to see them won't have.
On the other hand,
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Which, from what I've read, makes it look like it falls into a category of films that I consider failed as a movie. (Some of them I even like, but that's another story.) Basically, I'm of the opinion that if a film requires knowledge of the plot points o
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While I can't think of any video games that I would classify as "high art" they are art nonetheless. And they have been a cultural phenomenon for a good while now, so it makes sense that people t
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I believe you misunderstand me.
Reading a comic book (or any other book) or seeing some play? No, that's not alright. For example: I said the general plot to Hamlet, not the exact specifics of the p
Re:I'll still be there opening night (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, so all 50,000 of you can go see the movie and it'll be a phenomenal failure. I hate movies that suck to someone who "doesn't get it" or who "hasn't read the book" or "hasn't played the game". We have a word for those kind of movies: crap.
The film is a different media. If the film can't stand on its own 2 feet, than as a film it's a horrible failure.
Re:I'll still be there opening night (Score:2)
You mean like how The X Files [imdb.com] only grossed $189 million? Yes, there's clearly no business logic behind making entertainment that appeals to niche audiences.
Re:I'll still be there opening night (Score:2)
There was already a TV screen presence (Scully, Mulder(sp?)) that even if you weren't totally into the X-Files, you probably still saw an episode or two, and knew who the characters were. That's the hook.....
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I don't remember the X-Files movie, but I can guess from its 70% rating on rottentomatoes.com that it was atleast good enough to be likable on it's own.
There's nothing wrong with crossing over types of media. If a movie based upon
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You assert that, but other than saying that you hate such movies, you give no supporting criticism as to why a movie that only appeals to 50,000 is a huge failure. Do you equate sales to success? If so, then what if 50,000 sales was enough to be profitable, would it then be a success?
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Yeah, particularly independent film makers like SONY PICTURES [sonypictures.com].
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Actually, that would be the word for the other kind of movies - the ones that shamelessly pander to the illiterate lowest common denominator.
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Most of the people I know"don't get" the Mona Lisa or John Cage, either.
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Being a bit too true to the source materials (Score:1)
Who Knew? (Score:2, Insightful)
Doom was without a doubt one of the worst videogame movies next to Alone in the Dark... next to well I could go on and on.
Slashdot should be a fairly intelligent bunch, yet most of the 20 comments so far read: "I know it will suck, but I'll be there opening night..." What is wrong with you people? Are your lives that devoid of quality that you actually anticipate going to see garbag
Re:Who Knew? (Score:4, Funny)
What's your address, or do you only accept Paypal?
Re:Who Knew? (Score:2)
123 Asskick Street.
Sorry. :-)
But I agree with the OP. Ain't It Cool News has legions of movie geeks flooding theaters to see what they know and admit is junk, and then they bemoan the fact that movies suck. But then again these are the people who hate CGI but love men in rubber monster suits. Whatever.
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I love men in rubber monster suits... I mean girls, yeah, *cough* women.
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Because video game movies don't necessarily always suck. Mortal Kombat was good, Resident Evil and Doom were both 'ok', and the Pokemon movies (if you could get over the cutesy-ness) destroys box office/retail sales regular
Mighty fine... (Score:2)
Slightly off topic, but (Score:2, Insightful)
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You mean like Hostel?
Not that I disliked Hostel. I actually enjoyed it, in particular because of the T&A and the gore. But as far as a horror flick goes, the second half was pretty generic....
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Listen to my advice (Score:3, Informative)
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When you enter the room in which you find the flashlight, it is pinned to tailor doll with the clothes of the wife of James. You'll notice their resemblance if you look at the picture that James has in his wallet.
Normally, you use the the flashlight to illuminate and reveal monsters in the game. This time, the flashlight is pointed towards you, revealing the true nature of James. For his wife, James was a monster because he killed her. It is a very subtle hint at the reality of the
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It makes no sense to me... (Score:5, Insightful)
...why video games have never made great movies. I think a big problem is that most game movies require that you've played the game to understand the movie. This doesn't make any sense, since the game stood on its own and didn't require any back story. Even sequals to video games are meant to stand on their own. I'm playing Metal Gear Solid 3 right now, never having played an MGS title in my life, and I'm loving it. But even the most obvious choices of games for the big screen fail in their ability to be self-contained.
The bottom line is that these are all cash cow titles. Noone makes a video game movie because they want to make great cinema or great art, they think that having an established fanbase will make the movie a sure success. Strangely, they're usually wrong, because catering to a small fanbase almost always means alienating everyone else, and that "everyone else" is most movie goers. The budgets for these films are too big to rely soully on small, pre-established fanbases. Serenity demonstrated that quite well, for the most part fans enjoyed it (I was a bit lukewarm to it, myself, however), but it didn't stand on its own, and was a total boxoffice flop.
I'm not convinced that movies made from video games can't be good, it's really no different from making a movie from a comicbook series, and that has become surprisingly refined as of late: two great Batman movies, two wonderful X-Men films, arguably a good Spiderman movie, and everyone seems to be raiving about V... it seems that comic book movies are on the rise and becoming more and more sophisticated, in their own rite. But when I saw Batman Begins, I didn't have to know anything about the history of the Batman franchise, and I didn't. I came out feeling like I'd just seen a great action movie, one of the best... and the fact that it was from a comic book was fairly irrelivant, and even pretty moot.
Maybe the percieved proximity of cinema to games tends to cause some laziness on the part of the writers and directors. Since modern video games are so cinematic in nature, directors make the mistake of simply directing the movie like the game was directed, which is a big mistake, since when it comes to pacing and lack of interactivity, the differences between even the most cinematic games and films are still quite different. Novels and graphic novels, on the other hand, are far enough removed that the flow of the narrative has to be completely recreated. And, as we've seen time and time again, a good adeptation is possible: anything from Brokeback Mountain to Sin City (though I, personally, was repulsed by the latter, I can't deny it's success for accomplishing what it set out to do). A good adeptation of a video game is possible, but it hasn't been demonstrated yet. And it has nothing to do with the cinematic nature of the original game. Silent Hill is one of the most "cinematic" games out there, and it seems that the movie has not lived up to expectation. The Metal Gear Solid series could be said to make a great movie... hell it's basically done by a film crew already, but I have no doubt that it could be ruined if not done in the right hands. The bottom line is, MGS has no better chance of making a great movie than Tetris; under the right guidence, practically any idea can be done thoughtfully.
I just hope to god John Woo doesn't follow through with doing a Metroid movie... he hasn't made a good film in years (if ever). The lack of dialog in the series would make it VERY hard to make a good movie, but if done right, with a really unique sense of artistic vision, could be amazing... and John Woo hasn't really proven himself to be much of a visionary.
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I know why.
It's because what qualifies for a good video game story is, in general, an order of magnitude worse than what qualifies for a good movie story. Final Fantasy games, widely lauded for having among the best stories in the industry, tend to have the kind of narrative crap that would be lucky to be a trash paperback fantasy. Stuff that someone who's emotionally invested in the work might enjoy, but cannot survive the light
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I will totally agree with your assessment of Grandia II (haven't played I), great dialog and character portrayal it has... great plot it does NOT have, though I would say that character portrayal is probably more important than plot any day (and is more aggredously absent from most games). Same
Re:It makes no sense to me... (Score:2)
Unfortunately the sort of over-the-top action that seemed really cool on a Hong Kong budget just looks over-the-top on a US budget. For example, in MI2 he has a scene where the main character flips aro
Re:It makes no sense to me... (Score:2)
The problem is, it would be nice for filmmakers to raise the bar above "passable hollywood schlock", that's bassically what all game movies strive to be, and it's idiotic, noone feels good about enjoying blatent coorperate whore-ism with little artistic motivation. How about taking a page from Kubrick's book of tricks? Huge sections of 2001 were done
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On the subject of the Ebert review:
I really dont mind this guy and im as big a horror fan as there is. He has an honesty I respect but he does tend to fall into the cliched Hollywood critic fallback response we see all too often. He harks on about how the film is confusing and dumb but made no real attempt to actual
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If you ask me, I HATE it when people use the term "faithful to", when describing a remake/tribute. All I care is that a good film comes out. I don't need it to be proven in another medium as to whether the original is any good or not. When I cover another band's rock song, or some video game music, I tend to TRY to stray as far as I can from the original, while still using influences from the origina
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User reviews (Score:2)
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/silent_hill/revie
Just wait until the server goes back up, apparently it's been heavily accessed.
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Just wait until the server goes back up, apparently it's been heavily accessed.
That's a diplomatic way of saying fucked into a coma.
I collected various critics reviews (Score:3, Interesting)
OK I read some of the critics reviews, And it seems to be safe. The movie DOESN'T SUCK (at least not so bad), some of the critics actually liked it
by Jeff Otto [ign.com]. 2.5 / 5
by Kit Bowen [hollywood.com]. 0 / 4
by Edward Douglas [comingsoon.net]. 7 / 10.
by Moriarty [aintitcool.com]. Doesn't give a rating, but he loved it.
by Mike Sage [rottentomatoes.com], Peterborough This Week. 4.5 / 5.
by Kevin Carr [7mpictures.com] (2.5/5)
by Sean Means, Salt Lake Tribune [film-finder.com] (1.5/5)
by Brian Orndorf [rottentomatoes.com], EFILMCRITIC.COM (rotten, D)
by Peter Hartlaub [sfgate.com], SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE. (Didn't like it at all)
by Peter Howell, [thestar.com] TORONTO STAR ("The dumbest")
After reading the various reviews (I didn't watch it - yet), It seems Silent Hill has some flaws:
a) The action part is slow and repetitive (Well, that's what you get in the game, duh). Perhaps having shorter and less running away sequences would have worked.
b) Some of the acting and dialogue is bad (altho not always, the critics who gave it a positive review forgive this point)
c) The plot is too confusing, and these parts are VERY LONG. Most of the critics would have enjoyed having less confusing plot parts. It seems Gans tried to explain the whole concept of Silent Hill, and ended up spoiling it.
But Some of the negative reviewers gave it a 2.5/5 (that means in my lingo: "Not that bad", or "good enough for a fan".
However, there's one point that ALMOST ALL reviewers give to Silent Hill: It's visually astounding. In other words, if you enjoyed Star Wars: Episode 1 despites the horrible story, you'll LOVE Silent Hill.
I particularly liked Moriarty's review, because he's NOT a gamer, and did NOT play the game. However, he might be biased because he's a fan of the horror gender. But hey, maybe that's representative of the intended audience!
ebert hates games (Score:2)
look at these two blurbs:
"They talk and talk and somehow their words do not light up any synapses in my brain, if my brain has synapses and they're supposed to light up"
"At first, when they were figuring out the games," he said, "the whole brain lit up. But by the time they knew how to play the games, the brain went dark, except for one little point." Walking
No screenings for critics (Score:3, Informative)
The only good video game movie (Score:2)
seriously.
I saw it last night (Score:1)
Thesaurus (Score:1)
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Maybe that thesaurus would help here.
Ebert is a great critic (Score:5, Insightful)
He is a serious student of film, he has seen almost everything ever made, and his opinions are well informed with details to back them up.
And yet, he's no stuffy academic either - he can enjoy a guilty pleasure as much as anybody.
Very, very rarely do I wind up disagreeing with him, and even when I do, I can usually see his point.
The man is a rarity: a great critic.
DG
Re:Ebert is a great critic (Score:2)
I agree. I don't read many reviews by Ebert, but when I do it's not so much whether I agree on the "thumbs up" or "thumbs down", but his analysis of the movie often helps me decide if I would enjoy a film or not, even in conflict with his own tastes.
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For example, there's a critic at the Seattle PI that really enjoys all of the movies I can't stand, and nearly always tears apart the movies that I enjoy. Instead of a meta-review site, there should be some sort of movie-tastes profiling webpage. Critics and customers profile movies that they see, along with what they did or did not like about them. Then
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Ebert sort of looked at him slack jawed for a moment before exclaiming "It's an Indiana Jones movie! I don't want to see that! That has no place in a movie like this!" He then gave it thumbs up.
That's when i knew that i liked him as a reviewer.
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The man is a rarity: a great critic.
I think there's some correlation between these two statements. Although to be fair, I agree with you. But still. "He agrees with me. He is therefore great." I love it.
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Re:Ebert is to Cringley as he is to Dvorak (Score:5, Insightful)
I believe you just criticized critics, thereby making yourself a self-important bastard as well.
Ack! Now I'm one too!
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Re:Who Cares? (Score:2)
That said, Ebert does seem to be one of the better re
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Intelligent Filmgoers Care (Score:4, Insightful)
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Seriously though, when my friend and I went to see it, we expected Uwe Boll to show up on screen and taunt us as the doors all locked saying "You Fools! HAHAHAHAHAHA! You Are Mine! Wat
Re:Fuck his celebrity status. (Score:1)