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Apple Announced 17" MacBook Pro

Hemos posted more than 8 years ago | from the coming-at-you dept.

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artlu writes "According to Reuters news, Apple has announced the launch of the 17" MacBook Pro. The new MacBook will retail for $2,799, come with iLife '06, and begins shipping next week. Details are not yet on Apple's website, but hopefully these notebooks will be triple booting as well!"

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Deliberately slowed graphics card... heat issue? (4, Informative)

crazyjeremy (857410) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189612)

Taken from http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jht ml?articleID=186100229 [eetimes.com] "The graphics processor of Apple Computer Inc.'s MacBook Pro portable has been deliberately slowed down, a Mac user reported recently, probably as part of the overall effort to lower the heat the machine generates. According to a posting on the French language site MacBidouille, a user identified as "SpacetitoX" uncovered the underclocking of the MacBook's ATI Radeon Mobility X1600 graphics chip after adding Windows XP to the computer, then running a beta version of the "ATITools" overclocking utility. By replacing the existing ATI drivers added to the MacBook Pro for dual-booting into Windows XP, SpacetitoX was able to boost one benchmark's result from 61 frames per second to 91."

Apple dildos (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189635)

What a bunch of feebs. The typical Mac sand-pounder smells worse than yer mother's twat.

Re:Deliberately slowed graphics card... heat issue (2, Interesting)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189652)

Isn't that more indicative of the drivers used in Windows XP though?

Or were the benchmarks done in OSX then in Windows in which case other issues could arise.

Also, newer beta drivers are always improving things and tweaking applications.

Theres no way you could determine if the Mac driver was underclocking in OSX without doing the benchmarks in OSX.

Re:Deliberately slowed graphics card... heat issue (5, Informative)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189673)

The hardware was underclocked - you can use the ATI tools to reset the clock speed, then when you reboot in os X the new clock will remain. The setting is stored on the video card.

Re:Deliberately slowed graphics card... heat issue (1)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189737)

I suspect that it is a heat issue, yes. I seem to recall seeing another article (can't find the link just now) that suggested that the actual CPU is underclocked as well.

Honestly, the only thing I do with my laptop that's really CPU intensive is Photoshop. (Okay - and some of the more obnxoiusly resource-intensive parts of OS X itself). For me, the real test of performance will be cranking through a bunch of sharpening scripts under Photoshop on an 8 megapixel, 16-bit image. Since Photoshop CS2 is still a Rosetta application, the performance numbers I've seen for it say "about the same speed as before," so there's no real point in me upgrading yet.

Re:Deliberately slowed graphics card... heat issue (3, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189739)

You have to realize that Heat = Wasted Electricity. On a laptop, battery life is bad enough without worrying about the graphics processor killing your battery. I'm sure they could build a laptop with 20 hours battery life. But nobody really seems to be focussing on this. Low power chip + old school graphics card because it doesn't affect office work anyway, and you could probably have a pretty low power computer. Use a slower hard drive, and give it enough ram that it doesn't need to have a swap file, and you'd probably get quite a bit more of life out of the thing.

Uhm. It's a MAC people! (-1, Flamebait)

Chas (5144) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189996)

How many people use Mac as a SERIOUS gaming platform?

And before I get the "B-b-b-but it's PC hardware!". I will answer thus.

Yeah? So what?

We're talking about MacOS here.

And before I get the "BootCamp, you can run Windows" argument.

RTFA. You still need to manually change the clocking.

Yet again, how does Apple get good benchies? Cheat, obfuscate, and lie.

Some notes (5, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189632)

- FireWire 800 (9-pin) is included, in addition to FireWire 400 (6-pin) (so no, FireWire, and particularly FireWire 800, is not dead, as some like to continually predict)

- 3 USB 2.0 ports are included; 2 on the left, 1 on the right

- The left side ports are: power, 2 USB 2.0, analog and digital optical audio in and out, ExpressCard/34 [expresscard.org] ; the right side ports are: DVI (supports VGA, S-Video, composite), 10/100/1000 ethernet, FireWire 800, FireWire 400, 1 USB 2.0, security port

- An 8x dual layer SuperDrive is included (unlike the 15" MacBook Pro)[1]

- While this is known by many, it bears repeating that the wireless chipset in all Intel-based Macs supports 802.11a/b/g, though Apple doesn't advertise 'a'

- The 1680 x 1050 resolution of the 17" display is the same as many desktop 20" widescreen LCDs such as the Apple 20" Cinema Display and the 20" Dell 2007WFP

- Retail $2799, Education/government $2599 with 2.16 GHz Core Duo, 1 GB RAM, 120 GB 5400RPM Serial ATA drive, 256MB ATI Radeon x1600, and 8x dual layer SuperDrive

- For detailed specs, see here [apple.com]

I'd also note that for some people who might think that the 15" MacBook Pro looks like a bad deal next to this, the 17" is simply too large for many people, and many of those same people have no need for the faster dual layer SuperDrive, nor for FireWire 800.

And the Apple we site does not have to explicitly say it for us to know that, yes, of course the 17" MacBook Pro will support "Boot Camp" (and triple booting[2]), which is simply an umbrella marketing name for a collection of technologies that support booting Windows on Intel-based Macs:

- A Compatibility Support Module (CSM, BIOS compatibility layer) for EFI: this is already a non-beta, supported component of the recent rounds of firmware updates for Intel-based Macs, which the 17" MacBook Pro will ship with

- The ability to live-resize partitions on a GPT formatted volumes: this is already a non-beta, supported component of "diskutil" as of 10.4.6

- A collection of Windows drivers for the hardware in Intel-based Macs: almost all of these are non-beta, preexisting third party drivers

- A setup assistant that brings everything together: this is the only part of the solution, from a technical standpoint, that is "beta"

[1] Some may note that the new 17" MacBook Pro, at the same thickness of the 15" MacBook Pro (1.0"), includes an 8x dual layer SuperDrive versus the 4x single layer drive in the 15" model. It might be recalled that the reasoning for not including a faster, dual layer SuperDrive in the 15" MacBook Pro was because of the necessary space not being available inside the case; the 15" MacBook Pro could only use a 9mm tall mechanism as opposed to the 12mm mechanism currently required for dual layer capability and the greater speed. How, then, can the 17" MacBook Pro (or even the previous 17" PowerBook), at the exact same thickness, include this drive? Does this mean Apple was holding back? Is the 8x DL drive due in a 15" MacBook Pro imminently? The answer is no: the reason why the drive didn't (and still doesn't) fit in the 15" MacBook Pro is because the wider trackpad mechanism Apple chose to use encroaches internally on the space needed for a 12mm drive by about 1/8" laterally. However, this is not the case on the 17" MacBook Pro.

[2] Who wants to dual boot, much less triple boot? I'd rather have all of my environments running side by side in virtualization [parallels.com] . And yes, I know there are some specific reasons people may want to dual boot (such as games for native 3D graphics support), and that's fine...but other than for those specific tasks, who would really prefer dual/triple booting over virtualization, especially given the excellent benefits Intel VT [intel.com] now offers for virtual machines?

MacBook a/b/g WiFi card (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189663)

I definitely hadn't heard that about the MacBook's wifi card (not that I've really been following it or anything, since I'm not really in the market for one).

Does Apple's driver actually use the 802.11a functionality? Or is it just there in the hardware, but unimplemented by Apple? (So that you'd have to use Windows drivers or something in order for it to be useful.)

Also, what's the status on Linux drivers for whatever chipset they use in there? (Are they retaining the same chipset across all models?) Has anyone had success with ndiswrappers, or are you basically hosed for a WL card when booted into Linux?

Re:MacBook a/b/g WiFi card (5, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189764)

Yes, Apple's driver supports the "a" functionality. Also, on page 62 of Apple's MacBook Pro user's guide, it confirms that it is capable of connecting to "any 802.11a-, 802.11b-, or 802.11g-compliant product."

Apple has so far used the Broadcom BCM4311 and Atheros AR5000 Series (AR5006EX) wireless chipsets, both of which support 802.11a/b/g. Don't know what the status with regard to Linux is for any of those chipsets.

Of course, I've used RHEL, Fedora Core, and CentOS happily with networking, in virtualization, on my MacBook Pro, so there's no need to worry about "Linux drivers".

THREE USB PORTS!!!!!!1!! (-1, Flamebait)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189680)

- 3 USB 2.0 ports are included; 2 on the left, 1 on the right

OMG!

I've been thinking about upgrading my old G4 powerbook for sometime, but have not been able to find a notebook from any vendor with 3 usb ports (and on different sides!!!!!)

Now, I know exactly what to buy!

Thanks Apple!

Re:THREE USB PORTS!!!!!!1!! (0, Redundant)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189787)

"I've been thinking about upgrading my old G4 powerbook for sometime, but have not been able to find a notebook from any vendor with 3 usb ports"

Dude, WTF? We just got bunch of HP nc6220. Three USB-port (one on the left, two on the right). We also got a bunch of tc4200 tablet-PC's: three USB-ports (one on the right, one on the left, and one in the back). You obviously haven't been looking very hard.

Re:THREE USB PORTS!!!!!!1!! (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189815)

I've been thinking about upgrading my old G4 powerbook for sometime, but have not been able to find a notebook from any vendor with 3 usb ports (and on different sides!!!!!)

As I mentioned in the Lenovo article a few days ago, the two advantages my T40 has over my TiBook are:

1) It's a more effective tool for clubbing baby seals.

2) The USB ports on the side are much more comfortable when using a memory stick on an airplane tray table.

I don't know if Apple changed the slots from the back to to the side in this model or earlier, but over here it's a welcome improvement. Now about those baby seals...

Re:THREE USB PORTS!!!!!!!! (1)

ktappe (747125) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189850)

I don't know if Apple changed the slots from the back to to the side in this model or earlier
All ports were moved to the sides with the advent of the Aluminum models back in 2003.

-Kurt

Re:Some notes (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189687)

I'd also note that for some people who might think that the 15" MacBook Pro looks like a bad deal next to this, the 17" is simply too large for many people
Which is why I'm surprised they didn't come out with the 12" one before the 17", it seems, at least in my personal experience(obviously I don't have stats on hand) that the 12" is much more popular than the 17". Though they could still be having heat issues with the 12" mac book.

Re:Some notes (1)

xjerky (128399) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189790)

Yeah, I really wanted a 12 inch MacBook Pro to replace my 866MHz G4 Powerbook, but I got tired of waiting and bought a Mac Mini instead. I'll just keep the Pbook for now and enjoy MacIntel goodness at home for the time being, plus save myself over $1000 to boot. I figure in a year or 2 Apple to provide something in the MacBook Pros that will compel me to get one, like say Gigabit Wireless or something. For now it looks like there's just a speed bump.

Re:Some notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189904)

I imagine that the 12" will be released when Merom hits the market. It will be both cooler and more powerful, and will alleviate a lot of the heat problems that some Core Duo laptops have been having.

I personally would not recommend that anyone buy a laptop at all until Merom.

Re:Some notes (2, Interesting)

Reaperducer (871695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189745)

I'm really glad to hear that Firewire 800 is still there. I didn't realize how much of a mental dealbreaker this was for me until I saw it and felt relieved. All of my external drives are triple interface (FW400/FW800/USB), but I really prefer using 800. Speed is important for me when I'm moving around lots of data; it's not uncommon for me to have to move 40 gigs from one drive to another a couple of times a week. FW800 is also fast enough that I can keep my Virtual PC partitions on it and not really have any noticible slowdown from the internal drive.

Re:Some notes (1)

mikeisme77 (938209) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189793)

Speaking of people not wanting the 17" because it's too large... For me, the 15" is even too large (I have a perfectly capbable desktop, and just need something small and light for mobile purposes). Anybody have any idea when the 12" is going to be out? That I'd be interested in. Or a Mac Tablet, but I figure the 12" will be out MUCH sooner, and I'm looking at a new laptop by August at the latest.

Re:Some notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189990)

The talk is that the 13.3" widescreen iBook will be out in May, and that there will be no small-form-factor MacBook pro. Some folks call it the iBook, some the MacBook, but I suspect it will be called iBook but have more or less the capabilities of the old 12" PowerBook (but with the iBook's more rugged exterior).

A Machine For Suckers With Too Much Cash (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189794)

iPod sales continue to fall.

And Apple is putting out overpriced x86 boxes.

I guess Apple loves their current market-share and thinks their stock-price is too high...

Re:A Machine For Suckers With Too Much Cash (3, Funny)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189993)

Clearly you haven't read Apple's business plans:

1. Maintain a tenuous balance on the edge of total collapse for decades 2. ??? 3. Profit

Only in this case, instead of nobody being sure who knows what step 2 is, we all know that Jobs knows, but he won't tell anybody.

Re:Some notes (0)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189806)

"who would really prefer dual/triple booting over virtualization, especially given the excellent benefits Intel VT [intel.com] now offers for virtual machines?"

Me, for one.

I don't know the ins and outs of virtualization, but it seems to me that if I'm running Windows apps side-by-side with native Mac apps, I expose myself to the same spyware, viruses, and other annoyances inherent to Windows. I'd MUCH rather have Windows restricted to its own little disk partition, which I could nuke any time I need to. And since (1) the only Windows apps I'd want to run are games, and (2) it supposedly takes only about 15 seconds to boot these things, I'd just as soon boot into Windows when I absolutely need to and keep my MacOS main partition "pristine."

Re:Some notes (2, Informative)

SachiCALaw (856692) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189861)

You can still keep your Mac partition "pristine" with a virtual machine. Even better, if the Windows virtual machine gets infected, you can wipe it and "reinstall" a clean version in a matter of seconds as opposed to the hour or longer it would take you to wipe a "physical" copy from the hard drive and reinstall it (and your apps.)

Re:Some notes (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189876)

Virtualizing an operating system gives you a far safer abstraction from viruses and spyware than dual-booting. Instead of "its own little disk partition," the Windows OS will reside in a single file, and it doesn't have access to any real hardware. If viruses/spyware devour the Windows OS, delete the file and reinstall. Better yet, take a snapshot of the clean OS, configured as you like--if there are any problems, revert to the snapshot. Easy peasy.

Re:Some notes (1)

FinestLittleSpace (719663) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189903)

Virtualisation often works in much the same way as dual boot; i.e. you have a seperate partition, and it loads core windows components off that. It's pretty bloody hard to get a virus from one platform to the other. I'm sure there's a car analogy somewhere here...

Re:Some notes (4, Interesting)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189948)

I don't know the ins and outs of virtualization, but it seems to me that if I'm running Windows apps side-by-side with native Mac apps, I expose myself to the same spyware, viruses, and other annoyances inherent to Windows. I'd MUCH rather have Windows restricted to its own little disk partition, which I could nuke any time I need to. And since (1) the only Windows apps I'd want to run are games, and (2) it supposedly takes only about 15 seconds to boot these things, I'd just as soon boot into Windows when I absolutely need to and keep my MacOS main partition "pristine."

Well, yes, if all you're using is games, you'd need to dual boot anyway, since you'd need native 3D graphics support. But ignoring that for a second:

There is nothing about virtualization that would make the Mac environment any more susceptible to anything in the Windows environment: the Windows environment is still completely sandboxed, and doesn't have ANY access to the Mac partition(s) unless you were to explicitly grant it. Theoretically, in order to even touch anything in the Mac environment, a piece of Windows malware would have to exploit a vulnerability in the virtualization software itself, that could be exploited via Windows, AND could also be used to affect the host's filesystem. Ironically, it would actually be EASIER in a dual-boot configuration: a hypothetical piece of Windows malware could include a rudimentary driver to recognize HFS+ volumes, at which point it could then install whatever it wished in the Mac environment, or otherwise alter the contents of the Mac OS X partition.

Of course, the likelihood of either of those things happening is extremely remote.

The funny thing is, that the "nuke any time I need to" is actually much, much, much easier in virtualization than anything else: the entire Windows "volume" resides in a file on the Mac OS X disk. You can keep a backup of it, and if anything were to ever happen, you could simply delete it, and duplicate your backup pristine Windows "volume" - since it's just a file - in seconds.

But that also ignores that, while Windows (or another x86-based OS) run on an Intel-based Mac could be subject to the vulnerabilities of that operating system, it is still typically:

- completely isolated from the network, operating "behind" the host operating system
- not used for traditional tasks typically used as attack vectors, like email, web browsing, and downloading files
- usually not used as the primary operating system
- able to be completely restored relatively easily and quickly from a default image, if compromised

You've got it backwards (5, Informative)

antientropic (447787) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189983)

It's exactly the other way around: if you want to be immune from Windows malware, then you should run Windows inside a virtual machine. Then you can restrict it to its own virtual disk (which would just be a big file on your Mac disk), restrict it from accessing the network if you want to, and so on. On the other hand, if you dual-boot into Windows, then a Windows program with sufficient privileges can destroy your Mac partition as easily as it can with the Windows partition: just run fdisk. So there is no fundamental level of extra security in dual-booting.

Some guys (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189809)

Some guys from fatvallet.com [fatvallet.com] or dealsea.com [dealsea.com] will soon post detailed specification and price of a Dell and say "See man, cheaper!" I bet.

Re:Some guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189843)

fatvallet? Is that like FatWallet for ze Germans?

Re:Some notes (2, Interesting)

ktappe (747125) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189829)

Does this mean Apple was holding back?
Unfortunately, that does seem like a possibility. With dual-layer DVD and FireWire 800 both missing from the 15", it appears on the surface as though those features were reserved for the 17" model. Apple needs to realize that many of us cannot/will not buy the 17" because it is simply too large & bulky. And that fact is no reason to punish us by keeping features off of the 15" that both its PowerPC predecessor had and its 17" bigger brother has. So as much as I want a MacBook Pro so I can utilize Windows virtualization, I won't be buying one until I see these features returned to the 15" model.

-Kurt

Re:Some notes (4, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189866)

So as much as I want a MacBook Pro so I can utilize Windows virtualization, I won't be buying one until I see these features returned to the 15" model.

Then you'll probably be waiting a long time.

1.) I just explained exactly why the dual layer burner isn't present on the 15" MacBook Pro. It's a purely physical/technical reason. Until there is a 9mm 8x dual layer burner, you won't see one in the 15" MacBook Pro, period.

2.) FireWire 800 was also left out of the 15" MacBook Pro for space reasons (adding it requires additional support chipsets that aren't a part of any of Intel's standard chipsets, which means a comparatively considerable amount of space is required to implement it. Yes, it's still small, but every ounce of space counts.

Do you really need a dual layer DVD burner and FireWire 800 on a 15" Mac laptop so much that you'd forgo what is almost a perfect environment for virtualization of multiple operating systems, alongside Mac OS X?

Re:Some notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189855)

I was royally pissed when I thought that FW800 was abandoned. I can deal with abandoning really old technologies like the floppy disk, parallel port and a few others, but with FW800 back I hope Apple will keep up with FW development and come out with FW1600 in the future or perhaps it will give way to eSATA with transfer rates of 1.5Gb/s to 3.0Gb/s.

As for Intel VT (Vanderpool) technology, its coming in the 64-bit Merom CPU this fall. Perhaps then I'll be ready to upgrade my current Powerbook G4 to a triple OS laptop (which I need as a systems admin).

Re:Some notes (2, Interesting)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189884)

As for Intel VT (Vanderpool) technology, its coming in the 64-bit Merom CPU this fall. Perhaps then I'll be ready to upgrade my current Powerbook G4 to a triple OS laptop (which I need as a systems admin).

No, VT is here today, on the current Core Duo T2500 Apple is using in all Intel-based Macs. Parallels Workstation [parallels.com] takes full advantage of Intel VT, today. You don't have to wait to have your triple (simultaneously running) OS environment, since I'm looking at it on my MacBook Pro in front of me right now.

Re:Some notes (2, Informative)

lababidi (879163) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189895)

You can purchase this Laptop as a Developer for $2239 using the ADC Discount found here. [apple.com]

Re:Some notes (1)

Enrique1218 (603187) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189924)

Dude, you must kiiled on those research papers in college...Some notes? sheesh!

No details on Apple's site? (4, Informative)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189633)

What's this [apple.com] about, then?

It's on their homepage now... (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189636)

It's featured on their homepage now, BTW.

Up to 5 times the performace of the PowerBook G4? (1, Informative)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189643)

From the article:
and an all new system architecture that delivers up to five
times the performance of the PowerBook(R) G4
I wish Apple would stop doing this - this creates a misleading impression about the macbooks, it would be better phrased as:
Up to 5 times faster for many operations, but substatially slower for legacy software & software that relies on altivec.
Also from the article:
features a MagSafe(TM) Power Adapter, invented by Apple especially for mobile users.
What?

Invented by Apple?

Let have a look at available from amazon [amazon.com]
For safer operation, the magnetic cord easily detaches from the fryer if accidentally pulled.
These things have been standard in the food industry for years & are compulsory on some cookers in Japan.

I think Apple meant to say
features a MagSafe(TM) Power Adapter, adapted from others inventions by Apple especially for mobile users.
Meh. Anyway, there a couple of pics [apple.com] at the Apple store, looks pretty nice, but nothing particularly new to see here.

+1 Slashvertisment.

Re:Up to 5 times the performace of the PowerBook G (4, Funny)

pryonic (938155) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189682)

Oh everything's stolen these days. Why the fax machine is nothing more than a waffle iron with a phone attached!

Re:Up to 5 times the performace of the PowerBook G (-1, Flamebait)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189721)

Oh everything's stolen these days.

I wasn't saying Apple stole it, but saying they 'invented' it is lying.

They've taken an exisitng invention and stuck it on their notebooks. A great idea, but not an invention by any stretch of the imagination.

Re:Up to 5 times the performace of the PowerBook G (1, Insightful)

mmeister (862972) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189914)

Up to 5 times faster for many operations, but substatially slower for legacy software & software that relies on altivec.

Well, Apple does say UP TO 5 TIMES FASTER, so they are aren't lying. I would never expect them to say anything negative about their product in any of their marketing material, that's just retarded.

That's like going to a job interview and focusing on all your faults, rather than what you have to offer the company. We all have faults, it doesn't mean we should tout them.

Apple has always been a forward thinker. Legacy support has always come at some performance price. If you want to get angry, get angry at the likes of Adobe, which apparently bet on Apple's Intel switch starting later, rather than sooner. They got caught with their pants down (an Intel Mac version is still OVER A YEAR AWAY).

Price (3, Insightful)

larry2k (592744) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189668)

That's a phenomonal price for what you get. Over the high end 15.4in MacBook Pro you get a faster processor, larger screen and resolution, faster superdrive and an extra USB port and for just 300 bucks more. Amazing

12" (3, Interesting)

sehryan (412731) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189674)

I wish the 12" MacBook would get here. I am in the market right now for an ultraportable for my wife, and would probably get an Apple if they offered it.

Re:12" (1)

SpinJaunt (847897) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189848)

I am also looking for a decent 12"er.. laptop that is. A lot of 12"er's are way over priced :(

I predict it will be called MacBook and powered by a Core Solo --shame.

Re:12" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189930)

The general consensus is that the 12" Macbook Pro will be released when Merom hits the market. With the heat problems the Macbook Pros have been having, a 12" wouldn't be viable at this time. Merom should change that.

1600x1050 LCD (2, Interesting)

Pfhor (40220) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189675)

Same pixels as the 20" lcd cinema display.

120gig SATA drive

2.16ghz Duo's

256meg ati graphics

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/ [apple.com]

12" PowerBook G4 remains... (5, Interesting)

grm_wnr (781219) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189676)

Since my own blurb for this was rejected (no blame on the editors, they were probably flooded with stories on this), I'll state an observation here: The 17" PowerBook G4 is now gone, but the 12" model stll hasn't been updated yet. Is that an indication that the rumors about a 13.3" MacBook [thinksecret.com] to replace the 12" PowerBook and the 14" iBook are true?

Re:12" PowerBook G4 remains... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189706)

An who is quivering with anticipation with this.

I mean, honestly, I don't understand why Apple didn't have an Intel replacement for all their models. Was is that much more difficult to develop a 17" version and a 12" or 13" version?

I don't mind Apple rumours, but it isn't really a rumour considering that largely it is expected for Apple to replace all their laptops with Intel based ones.

Just to be the first to "rumor" this, but I expect Apple to come out with Intel based iBook's as well.

I can't get excited about something that is easy to predict and expected, as is a 17" model of an Intel notebook.

Re:12" PowerBook G4 remains... (1)

grm_wnr (781219) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189744)

Well, okay, it isn't the most exciting rumor, but I've seen laptops with a 13.3" screen and it's a really nice size - the interesting bit isn't that smaller Intel Mac laptops are coming, the interesting bit is that it's a new size, a semi-new line of laptops, and that it bumps down the iBook down the Apple food chain quite a bit (I guess they're keeping the iBook brand name though, or they would've killed the iMac brand as well).

Re:12" PowerBook G4 remains... (1)

mcbridematt (544099) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189873)

The difference between the 12" iBook and 12" PowerBook is mainly down to fine print: audio line in (analogue but still useful), 5200rpm vs 4200rpm (yes there is a difference), 12" iBook slightly bigger in all dimensions, DVD burner not default, no monitor spanning without hacks, graphics even more god awful than the PowerBook[1], etc.

[1] NVIDIA should take the GeForce4 Ti 4200 and shrink it right down and use that as a mobile chip. Screw pixel shaded desktops, no use if your graphics chip isn't going to render anything beyond the desktop at 15fps.

17" Screen? (1)

Metabolife (961249) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189683)

I'm guessing it will be used mostly for desktop replacement with this large of a screen. My 15.4" screen seems too large to travel with, I can't imagine having to carry around a 17" to class or on an airplane.

MOD THE TROLL DOWN! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189685)

The poster, artlu, is a known spamming troll [slashdot.org] .

Cold Day (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189692)

Cold day in hell when I pay $2800 for a laptop.

Re:Cold Day (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189801)

Hell will freeze over when people start appreciating quality.

Where's the SMALL ones? (4, Insightful)

Jethro (14165) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189693)

I love my 12" Powerbook. It's SMALL, it's light, it's easy to carry around, it fits in a backpack, it can take a 4' fall onto concrete not even dent (ok, maybe that was just luck). It's perfect. The screen's big enough, and the keyboard is full-sized.

I don't want a giant laptop. I want some features that the bigger ones have, like the illuminated keyboard and maybe a PCCARD slot. I definitely do NOT want the bulk.

Come on, Apple! Gimmie a 12" (or the not-even-rumoured-much 13.1") MacBookPro! And if it can use the same battery as my Powerbook that'd be nice!

Re:Where's the SMALL ones? (1)

clifyt (11768) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189814)

"it can take a 4' fall onto concrete not even dent (ok, maybe that was just luck)"

It was just luck.

If it had hit on a corner, you would have been screwed. Well, screwed from an aesthetic point of view...my 12" took such a tumble and now has 'character'. Kinda bugs me occasionally because its such a beautiful machine. Same sorta thing happened with my Wallstreet G3...great neoprene cover that no other laptop has matched for the grip, and while at a friends place, I threw it under a couch...unfortunately, the springs poked through and as I pulled it out, it had 3 HUGE gouges in the soft plastic.

The thing I've learned about Macs is that you really shouldn't get too attached to the beauty...thats one of the things that makes them so great looking -- you have to take great care of them to keep the image, but if all you are interested in is a workhorse, it does the trick regardless of what it looks like.

Re:Where's the SMALL ones? (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189940)

The thing I've learned about Macs is that you really shouldn't get too attached to the beauty...

Oh, no worries. I've actually gone to some lengths to make it look more beaten up than it is. I figure people are less likely to steal a laptop that seems to be held together with duct tape. (it's actually just gaffer's tape, but they don't know that).

That 4' fall was off the table at airport security. Fell smack on the LCD. I was really surprised when it actually turned on later that day...

For how long I've had this guy, it's in AMAZING shape. The bottom's a bit scratched and the original battery died, but other than that, nothing.

Re:Where's the SMALL ones? (1)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189934)

They've already committed to migrating off G4/G5 by the end of the year. I suspect you won't have long to wait.

Re:Where's the SMALL ones? (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189982)

I know (or at least I hope). It's just a bit annoying when you go "I'll buy a new laptop when they release the 12"/13.3"/small MacBookPro (and then I'll sand off where it says MacBookPro and etch in "Powerbook ID")" and then they release the giant one first.

On the plus side, now I know I should start putting money aside...

Laptop, I don't think so... (0, Flamebait)

s31523 (926314) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189697)

I like how Apple responded to complaints of heat with "well, that is why it is a notebook and not a laptop". I am waiting for someone to up the clockspeeds to "normal" (since Apple apparently purposely slows things down), burns their thighs and other sensitive areas, then sues Apple, just like that chic sued MacDonalds... Soon, instead of the sticker that reads "Intel Inside", there will be warning labels that read "CAUTION: Contents extremely hot. Not suitable for laptop computing".

Re:Laptop, I don't think so... (-1, Troll)

peragrin (659227) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189828)

Well I wouldn't want to game with my 12" Powerbook with it on my lap. Surfing the web and other minor tasks don't heat things up much. apple slows things down. big deal you get greater battery life, and lower heat. Two things much needed for laptops.

And that Lady who sued Mcdonalds she lost on Appeal.

Most important detail (5, Informative)

Microsift (223381) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189698)

At $2799 the 17" MacBook Pro with a 2.16Ghz core duo costs the same as the 15.4" model with 2.16 Ghz core duo, one must assume a price drop is imminent on the 15.4" model.

 

Re:Most important detail (1)

ronanbear (924575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189839)

I just noticed that. And I just used my last MOD point a minute ago.

The 120GB harddrive on the 17" makes the 15" with processor upgrade especially poor value. Apple usually fix this sort of thing quietly within a few days.

Heat & noise problems solved? (3, Informative)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189699)

Lots of reports of noise and excessive heat from the first rount of MBPs. Apple's much touted fix resulted in the problem getting worse for many owners (see macintouch.com MBP reader reports). So these issues are still out there, and the heat issue is severe (MBP so hot you can't touch it in places near the keyboard).

Here's hoping that these issues are resolved this time around.

Re:Heat & noise problems solved? (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189872)

I got one last week and it is completely silent. It does get a bit hot, but it is not as bad as I was anticipating.

Dell coupon codes from Ebay (-1, Troll)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189701)

"- Retail $2799, Education/government $2599 with 2.16 GHz Core Duo, 1 GB RAM, 120 GB 5400RPM Serial ATA drive, 256MB ATI Radeon x1600, and 8x dual layer SuperDrive"

Using some cheap Dell coupon codes that anyone can buy from Ebay ($750 off >$2000 and $35 off >$300 that stack) you can get a Windows laptop with better specs for under half the price.

The Apple tax is growing ever since iPod's took off.

Re:Dell coupon codes from Ebay (2, Insightful)

ktappe (747125) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189768)

you can get a Windows laptop with better specs for under half the price.
Here we go again; the claim that a better Windows box costs half as much. But, as usual, no specifics are provided, mainly because it's untrue. Perhaps a (close to) equal box can be gotten for a few hundred less, but definitely not "half". Or, if I'm wrong, please feel free to provide specific links and specs to back up your claim.

-Kurt

Re:Dell coupon codes from Ebay (2, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189783)

I just had a quick look at the Dell site, and I couldn't find any laptops with higher specs at any price. Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place. Could you provide a link please?

Re:Dell coupon codes from Ebay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189799)

If you want to make a good argument that apples are too expensive at least try to make a good comparison. For example, try finding the closest IBM in specs, then compare prices. Go ahead right here [ibm.com] .

Re:Dell coupon codes from Ebay (5, Insightful)

benbritten (72301) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189802)

Ugn. please.

every time there is an apple thread, someone comes out and says 'wait PC's are cheaper!! and here is a comparison!!' and then some apple fanatic comes back and refutes it and blah blah blah.

Look, my time is worth money. windows and linux take effort. I want my tools to work, so I can get to the business at hand. when my tools dont work, i have to spend time fixing them simply so i can get back to work. Having used windows previously (which made me even more of a mac fan) I can tell you that my mac 'just works' and windows does not (i mean, it works, kinda, if you know how to set it up right and keep it running, oh, and reboot every so often and.. and.... and...).

So, again, my time is worth money, if the mac were 5 times as expensive as the dell, it would still pay itself off in productivity in about a month in comparison. So, feel free to buy the cheaper machine, more power to yah. I would rather spend my free time with friends and family and my work time being creative. (as opposed to spending my free time fixing my computer, and my work time jumping through hoops to get shit done)

 

Re:Dell coupon codes from Ebay (4, Insightful)

Mafiew (620133) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189811)

When dell gives those 750$ off coupons they boost the base price so it's not really as good as it seems. So, when buying a dell take a look at the prices when they are not offering any promotions to compare. The deals are still pretty good though, you can get a discount of 25% off or so.

The thing is, Apple's not really competing with Dell as Dell's laptop's are made inexpensiveley. Dell can't be beat on value but Apple's laptops are really nicely made with excellent keyboards and very solid cases. With IBM's laptop division gone to Lenovo, I think Apple laptops are poised to take the high end market, a great place for a company looking for large profit margins.

Re:Dell coupon codes from Ebay (1)

z-kungfu (255628) | more than 8 years ago | (#15190008)

LMAO... since Dell makes such crappy laptops I went to IBM (Lenova) to spec out a comprable T series. Hmmmm... I couldn't get all the features and yet it turned out more expensive... I then went to Dell and spec'd one out, the same thing happened... Hmmmm... I guess you're still living in 1999...

Wow, imagine a beowulf cluster of these... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189704)

Kinda imagining a beowuld cluster of these...

Great price. Great specs. FW800 and Dual layer Superdrive are good points. Screen res is also great. Too big for me, but much anticipated to many professional buyers.

13" please! (2, Insightful)

benbritten (72301) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189708)

I had a 17" g4 and it was absolutely fantastic. I write code, and having all your .h and .m.cc.c.whatever files open at the same time, as well as all the interface windows open all at once is a great boon to efficient programming. However, eventually i came to hate lugging it around (at 7 pounds, still lighter than most of my friends shitty dells at the time) and i finally downgraded to a 12".

best choice i ever made. the 12" is not noticeably slower for doing the stuff i do. (compiles a tiny bit slower, but whateva) and it still runs the 23" cinema when on my desk. weighs just over half as much, and fits in a much smaller space (so i can lug around my big nikon d70 as well)

Anyhow, props to Apple for releasing the mothership of laptops, the 17" really is a sweet machine, but the second they announce a 13" intel based lappy, i am there.

1680x1050? That sucks! (1, Insightful)

swimmar132 (302744) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189710)

They should've made it 1920x1200. 1680x1050 is great on a 15" screen (assuming that you have a OS that you can easily adjust the text size i.e. gnome). I'd want to see a higher resolution on a 17" screen.

Re:1680x1050? That sucks! (1)

gedto (970370) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189758)

So the resolution on the 20'' Cinema Display should seem absurdly low for you... as it is the very same as this one. Do you imagine how tiny would everything look in a 1900x1200 17'' display?

Re:1680x1050? That sucks! (1)

swimmar132 (302744) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189821)

If it's too small, you should be able to scale things up. I thought OS X's UI was resolution independent by now.

Re:1680x1050? That sucks! (1)

Random Destruction (866027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189773)

Really? I was pretty happy with it.
What I'd love to find is a 19" desktop lcd with decent res. I can't even find any that do 1600x1200 (well I found one, but the price was very unreasonable). Do these actually exist, or are you just asking for a lot? ;)

Re:1680x1050? That sucks! (1)

Hao Wu (652581) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189826)

1920x1200 would be perfect, considering Blu-Ray/HD-DVD both use 1920x1080. Those extra 120 lines at the top or bottom would be just enough for a nice control strip, play/pause buttons, etc.

Warning. (1, Interesting)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189718)

This is a First Gen product from apple a company who doesn't exactly have the best track record with 1st gen products. You may wish to wait 3-4 months till the next revision comes out if stability is important to you.

But the 1680x1050 panel is nice. Wish I could buy a couple of 17 inch LCDs that size.

Re:Warning. (2, Interesting)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189834)

This is a First Gen product from apple a company who doesn't exactly have the best track record with 1st gen products. You may wish to wait 3-4 months till the next revision comes out if stability is important to you.

Even so, it might be worth noting that Apple has the best track record across all computer manufacturers, in terms of "initial quality" (out of the box reliablity/usage characteristics), overall quality, lack of need for repairs, and technical support, consistently, and has for years, according to consumer organizations like Consumer Reports.

I think it's safe to say that ANY first gen product from any manufacturer will have problems, but even so, Apple actually has consistently less problems with quality, and specifically "initial quality", than any other vendor, at least by whatever metric Consumer Reports uses to come up with their reports every 6 months.

Still, even considering the above, it's always wise advice to wait for the second generation of ANY new product. Whether it's a new vehicle platform, or a laptop. (One might presume, however, that some things Apple learned from the 15" MacBook Pro rollout have been applied to the initial rollout of the 17" MacBook Pro.)

Re:Warning. (1)

thelamecamel (561865) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189851)

I keep hearing that Apple's first gen products are unreliable. Personally I've had a 1st gen original iMac (screen replaced after about 4 years, then finally retired two months ago in full working condition), a 1st gen iPod (still on original battery, in use 2 hours a day 5 days a week), and now I'm on a dual core iMac, where the biggest problem is a screen redraw ripple when scrolling.

I also know of some people that had lemon after lemon in later revisions.

I'm sure there were some cockups, but which first gen models were no good?

Slashot = Digg? (-1, Offtopic)

caluml (551744) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189757)

Gaaad. What is this, Digg? That site pisses me off with it's constant inane drivel about Apple, Google, etc. And here, a new laptop. Wow. That's such news.
Mod me down. I really couldn't give a shit.

Re:Slashot = Digg? (0)

Kildjean (871084) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189774)

If Hemos posted it, it's news... If you don't care about it, then look another way... ;)

Re:Slashot = Digg? (1)

tremor_tj (656492) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189939)

100% agree with you. The reality distortion field is in full effect.

Re:Slashot = Digg? (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 8 years ago | (#15190003)

I suppose the problem is the line between quality items, and filling the front page. You have to give the users something to discuss between major news items.
But seriously - a new laptop.

MacBook Pro (3, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189761)

I got one of the 15" ones just a few days ago. It rocks.

If you have a significant other that isn't interested in computers, get one of these and then demonstrate Frontrow with the remote to go through your photos/music/video. You might find they suddenly take an interest...

Slashdot is a sellout... (0, Troll)

Vernalex (565965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189775)

I feel as if Slashdot is nothing more than an advertiser for Apple. And it seems they even do it for free. They announce every single Apple release. I remember when Slashdot used to report on interesting news.

ExpressCard/34 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189798)

What's with this ExpressCard/34 crap! This 17" model has the same problem as the 15" in this regard.
If Apple are not going to grace us with a ExpressCard/54 slot, they could have a least kept the PC Card Type II slot.
Professional users of CompactFlash cards require a non-USB interface. USB 2.0 is too slow!!

Apple user interface? (-1, Offtopic)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189810)

This is offtopic, sure, but it bugs me.

I'm a mac fan, I have two macs (one is a mini I use surreptitiously at work) but when I went to the apple site to look at the new powerbook

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/ [apple.com]

(excuse me, macbookpro) what did I see? Gray text on a black background! I'm not an old codger by any means, but I can't read that. I had to cut and paste into a word processor in order to read the page. Was the Apple user interface group out back having a smoke when this page was being designed?

I can't find anywhere on the site where I can send them a quick email to point out their faux pas, so I have to satisfy myself with ranting here.

That is all.

Who cares. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189845)

Overpriced hunk of junk. On engadget there is a ragging debate over the cost effectiveness of the Apple 17" to compete with other dual-core setups from compariable solution companies like Dell, HP, and Toshiba. I know I'm not going to be accurate, but the specs match up, and even better on other machines than Apple's MacBook Pro but w/o the price tag. Mac OS X is a great OS and all, and I've owned about 6 12" G4 Powerbooks and I love the quality, craftsmenship ... but a cost bulge of over $1000 at LEAST in most cases?!

It just doesn't add up to make the investment into a desktop replacement, even if you DO like Apple machines, when you can simply work around the OS issues with a PC. Waste of money.

Weight (0, Flamebait)

amcdiarmid (856796) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189852)

At 6.8 lbs, this is a porky laptop. Perhaps it's not bad for 17", but right now there is no sub 6 lb. Apple Laptop.

Too bad...

Not like it's impossible, just look here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82 E16834220021 [newegg.com]

$.02

.frost pIst (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15189878)

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Special Apple event? (1)

kuwan (443684) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189942)

Interesting that the announcement was made without any kind of special media event that gets the entire tech world whipped up into a frenzy. Apple gets so much free press from their media events that it seems a bit unwise to have a product announcement without one. Maybe they didn't want the inevitable letdown by all the fanboyz wanting a new video iPod followed by predictions of Apple's pending doom because they only announced a new computer.

Universal Version of Final Cut Studio (2, Informative)

utexaspunk (527541) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189969)

They also released a universal binary version [apple.com] of Final Cut Studio.

nice - how about the Mac Mini's fast OS switching? (3, Interesting)

fak3r (917687) | more than 8 years ago | (#15189979)

this is nice, but who would have thought the next Power...MacBook Pro would come out, instead of a 'consumer line' (read, NOT a ~2800$ laptop) MacBook to really get ppl switching.

For me I'm really starting to fall for (or lean hard towards) a Mac Mini Duo -- not only can you triple boot on it, there's now video of it doing 'fast OS switching [fak3r.com] ', much as it does its 'fast user switching'.

Damn, this is getting fun.

Phht..... Too big... (1)

ShyGuy91284 (701108) | more than 8 years ago | (#15190002)

I don't like big-screen notebooks myself. I worked on a 13 inch display just fine on my desktop back in the day. Even if your laptop is going to be your primary computer, I'd prefer something light and compact even if it was my primary computer, and to just hook that up to a larger external display at home (an iBook in my case which isn't the smallist, but it is far from large). But we'll see how I stick to this when I actually can afford a 17" MacBook Pro....
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