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New MythTV Based PVR Available

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the everyone-needs-a-rack-mountable-pvr dept.

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aotea_Joe writes "OpenMedia is putting together a mad crazy Linux based home media pc. It's DVB-T and HDTV capable, network ready (streaming, control, sharing). Has all the standard PVR features (real time pause, scheduling, listings etc). Plus you own the hardware, get support and get updates/maintenance. Is it too good to be true?"

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Just SAY NO! to the USA? (1)

crazyjeremy (857410) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203913)

Prices are in NZ Dollars (inc GST) and are subject to change without notice. At this time, orders are only taken within New Zealand. Our standard preferred payment method is by bank transfer. Details will be sent to you at time of order.

And check out the prices!!

TiVo patents? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203969)

What will TiVo's legal department have to say about this product in jurisdictions where TiVo owns broad patents? Could this be part of the reason why the product isn't shipping to the United States?

Bye, bye DRM-crippled Intel Viiv (2, Insightful)

UseFree.org (950344) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204058)

MythTV-based [mythtv.org] systems like OpenMedia will blow DRM-crippled products like Intel's Viiv [slashdot.org] right out of the water.

I mean, who in their right mind would buy a restrictive system like Viiv when free-as-in-speech OpenMedia [openmedia.co.nz] systems are available? Of course, the challenge is explaining to consumers why Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) [eff.org] is against their interests, and spreading the word that MythTV-based systems are superior to DRM-crippled offerings.

Re:Bye, bye DRM-crippled Intel Viiv (1)

clydemaxwell (935315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204355)

Who would buy a pre-built system at all? Setup time for building your own is slightly less than an hour.

Re:Bye, bye DRM-crippled Intel Viiv (1)

Idealius (688975) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204392)

For a tech on a lucky day.

Re:Bye, bye DRM-crippled Intel Viiv (4, Insightful)

Cromac (610264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204418)

Who would buy a pre-built system at all? Setup time for building your own is slightly less than an hour.

Setup time might be less than an hour for you but not for the mass market that can't stop the clock from blinking on their VCR. Do you really think the average Tivo owner can build their own DVR, especially using Linux, in less than an hour? Not a chance.

Re:Bye, bye DRM-crippled Intel Viiv (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204422)

"who in their right mind would buy a restrictive system like Viiv when free-as-in-speech OpenMedia systems are available"

ya, okay, and by that logic, who in their right mind would buy a system like Windows when free-as-in-speech systems like Linux are available.

the answer, as we all know, is...

EVERYONE

-d

Re:Bye, bye DRM-crippled Intel Viiv (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204451)

When I want to watch TV, I want to sit on the couch, turn my brain down to 1, and absorb some visuals for a while. I don't want to debug Linux software and download sketchy drivers for otherwise decent hardware -- not for free, anyway. If someone were to sell a MythTV box and support it as TiVo does with their boxes, I'd buy one.

Re:Bye, bye DRM-crippled Intel Viiv (2, Informative)

richlv (778496) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204586)

i understand that the site is down now, but um... did you read the intro at least ?
the part that says :
"home media pc. It's DVB-T and HDTV capable, network ready (streaming, control, sharing). Has all the standard PVR features (real time pause, scheduling, listings etc). Plus you own the hardware, get support and get updates/maintenance."

Re:Bye, bye DRM-crippled Intel Viiv (2, Interesting)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204626)

FUDdite
Viiv is not crippled. True it supports DRM, but it does not force it. The application layer decides on the DRM. There is no reason you could not optimize linux and MythTV to run on this platform.
-nB

Re:Bye, bye DRM-crippled Intel Viiv (4, Interesting)

shotfeel (235240) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204733)

Of course, the challenge is explaining to consumers why Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) [eff.org] is against their interests,

That's actually very easy. You start with something they're familiar with:

"Don't you hate it when you have to sit through all that crap at the beginning of a DVD before you can watch the movie?" "That's digital rights management at work!"

Then you can explain how DVD player manufacturers are forced to sign an agreement stating that their players will allow Hollywood executives and lawyers to determine what you can and can't do in your living room. Anyone who makes a DVD player that circumvents Hollywood's protections, or otherwise helps you to do what would otherwise be perfectly legal, will run afoul of the DMCA.

Then you can move on to other things like the broadcast flag that will be used to determine wether or not you even get to record a show to watch later, or the restrictions on newer HD DVD players that will determine for you wether you get to watch the movie you bought at its full resolution on the expensive TV you bought.

In short, DRM allows movie and music producers to dictate what you can and can't do with stuff you pay for. Its not about preventing piracy (that's the herring that sells) its about controlling what the consumer can do after the sale.

Re:Just SAY NO! to the USA? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15203982)


iam sure they are not bothered, there is only 95% of the worlds population left to sell it to

280 million people is just a rounding error compared to the rest of the world

Re:Just SAY NO! to the USA? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204026)

there is only 95% of the worlds population left to sell it to

Including the majority who don't have reliable electricity in the home?

Re:Just SAY NO! to the USA? (4, Funny)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204039)

Like Californians.

Re:Just SAY NO! to the USA? (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204644)

Actually, Texas was the most recent state to have rolling blackouts. CA hasn't had them for quite some time.
-nB

Re:Just SAY NO! to the USA? (1)

Meumeu (848638) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204068)

"only within New Zealand" is a bit more restrictive than "only outside the US"...

Re:Just SAY NO! to the USA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204390)

My god, that's the greatest description of the population of the United States I've ever head...

Re:Just SAY NO! to the USA? (1)

ColaMan (37550) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204262)

Hardly new - D1's [hmc.com.au] been doing this in Australia for 18 months or so.

Of course, they're pretty coy about it being a mythtv build.

And the exchange rate is something like 40,000 NZ Sheep Barter Units to the USD, so it's pretty cheap really. If you could get one shipped over, that is. And if you crazy americans would adhere to proper standards, like PAL and DVB-T.

(ducks and runs for cover)

Re:Just SAY NO! to the USA? (1)

Heir Of The Mess (939658) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204347)

And check out the prices!!

umm yeah, the sites down, but here some pricing:

There are three standard configurations for myPVR, and a choice of two case styles.

Configuration Price (inc GST) Base

Athlon 64 3000+ CPU (or above)
512 MB Ram
DVD ± RW DL Drive
Remote control
Wireless keyboard and mouse
Choice of black or silver HTPC cases.
12 Months return to base hardware support
3 Months standard software support
(updates, patches and online assistance)
Special Offer - For a limited period software support extended to 6 months

Single Tuner - 250

Single Tuner Hauppauge PVR 150 Capture Card
Single 250GB Hard Drive
$1499

Dual Tuner - 250

Dual Tuner Hauppauge PVR 500 Capture Card
Single 250GB Hard Drive
$1699

Dual Tuner - 400

Dual Tuner Hauppauge PVR 500 Capture Card
Single 400GB Hard Drive
$1949

Re:Just SAY NO! to the USA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204456)

You got ripped off. Those tuners shouldn't cost nearly so much. You can build an HDTV capable system for far less if you look around more carefully.

money (1)

raffe (28595) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203917)

Does the mythtv people get anything out of this?

Re:money (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15203938)

another mention on slashdot?

Re:money (1, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203942)

Does the mythtv people get anything out of this?

Yeah, a hearty "Thanks for doing our work for free, suckers!"

-Eric

Re:money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204415)

It feels good to be appreciated...

Re:money (2, Insightful)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203952)

why? its like saying does linus get anything from redhat?

Re:money (1)

caldroun (52920) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203972)

Yes, he did...Stocks when they went public.

Re:money (2, Insightful)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203981)

Which was mighty nice of them, but they weren't required to do so.

does linus get anything from redhat? (1)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204648)

...does linus get anything from redhat?...

A boner?

Re:money (4, Interesting)

Cat_Byte (621676) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203957)

Does the mythtv people get anything out of this?

No but these people need to look at the zap2it guide information download terms of use. They can't sell something for profit that downloads from their free service.

Re:money (2, Insightful)

The Asmodeus (18881) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203987)

100% Correct.

Zap2it has been awesome to let us use their listing feed. But they expressly forbid this kind of for-profit usage. I'm hoping they are using another feed..

Of course, they might say on their site if it wasn't melted already...

Re:money (5, Informative)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204093)

Why (in the absence of a non /.ed TFA) do people assume its using Zap2it? I think that is US only anyway. Note they said it supports DVB-T (Thats digital terrestrial TV outside the US). Don't know about NZ but in the UK there is a free 7-day EPG broadcast with the DVB-T signal which MythTV happily grabs. Plus MythTV supports xmltv which can scrape listings from a variety of websites worldwide.

Re:money (1)

james_orr (574634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204222)

But they're not selling the software (which would also be a GPL violation, wouldn't it?).

They are selling the hardware plus a setup fee and charging for support.

Re:money (1)

beady (710116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204233)

Nope. You can sell GPL software, but just like when you give it away for free, you must provide machine-readable source code for free (or possibly for the cost of the medium it's provided on).

Re:money (1)

hexxeh (790587) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204299)

Except it's only available in New Zeland, which doesn't use zap2it.

Re:money (0, Offtopic)

dick pubes (963843) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203980)

You're from the inner-city, isn't you?

Mod parent "Racist Honky" (-1, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204016)

Why you gotta be like that, man?

-Eric

Re:Mod parent "Racist Honky" (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204097)

you assume that everone from the inner-city is one race? And you assume that the poster is white (by calling him a "honky")? Sounds to me like you're the racist here.

Re:money (2, Informative)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204431)

Does[sic] the mythtv people get anything out of this?

Yes, sort of. They get any changes or bugfixes this company makes to the code. Basically, they get free labor. Since MythTV is an open project the license is designed to benefit the users, not the developers (except in that the developers are users, which is why they are developing it).

Mad Crazy??? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15203925)

What the??? Can we at least create a summary that doesn't sound like someone playing counter strike wrote it?

Re:Mad Crazy??? (0, Offtopic)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203998)

What the??? Can we at least create a summary that doesn't sound like someone playing counter strike wrote it?

Could be worse. [slashdot.org]

That was fast (0, Redundant)

gillrock (517577) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203950)

The site is /.ed already. Is there a record on the fastest speed of a /.ed site?

No. (0, Redundant)

PatrickThomson (712694) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204041)

No.

ChavDot: News fo Chavs, stuff dat be madder. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15203951)

OpenMedia is putting together a mad crazy Linux based home media pc.

Is it the mad crazy super duper bomb diggity, for shizzle?

Re:ChavDot: News fo Chavs, stuff dat be madder. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15203984)

Dizzle, bro. Peace out.

Re:ChavDot: News fo Chavs, stuff dat be madder. (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203986)

Speaking as a time-traveller representing the people of the 1980's, my people would like to respond with an official "WORD!"

-Eric

Re:ChavDot: News fo Chavs, stuff dat be madder. (4, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204072)

Would this be a "word" to my mother, or more of a simple "word up?"

Re:ChavDot: News fo Chavs, stuff dat be madder. (3, Funny)

spikeb (966663) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204169)

word to your mother, vanilla ice style

Mod -1 ... (1)

CheeseTroll (696413) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204336)

for making me giggle at work. :-)

Re:ChavDot: News fo Chavs, stuff dat be madder. (1)

starrcake (25459) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204500)

w0rd, my nizzle from anizzle mizzle...

Re:ChavDot: News fo Chavs, stuff dat be madder. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204520)

Mr. Pibb + Red Vines = Crazy Delicious

Re:ChavDot: News fo Chavs, stuff dat be madder. (0, Offtopic)

dick pubes (963843) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204018)

Seriously, for a split second I thought I was reading Digg.

If it's not Insanely Great, I don't want it... (1)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204380)

...because I want to be like Gandhi and Edison and Amelia Earhart and Jim Henson and Frank Lloyd Wright.

Hope product is more resilent than their webpage (-1, Redundant)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203964)

Already /.ed only a few posts in. Makes the company look pretty "fly by night."

-Eric

Mythical Exhortations (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203965)

Has all the standard PVR features (real time pause, scheduling, listings etc). Plus you own the hardware, get support and get updates/maintenance. Is it too good to be true?

Some say that the fact that people might believe that MythTV is too good to be true is a myth. But I am not sure, so we are sending some scientists to test it. We can then find out if it indeed exists, observe its behaviour, and how it is supported by its environment. Stay tuned for the real-time results.

Re:Mythical Exhortations (0, Offtopic)

ID10T5 (797857) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204021)

Called in the Mythbusters [discovery.com] , eh?

Re:Mythical Exhortations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204269)

is it too good to be true? sounds like a job for Mythbusters!

e

cablecard (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15203974)

Ummmm....not really. If it doesn't support CableCard....MOVE ON...wait I should create a website. Lets call it moveon.org ( blowhards ).

Anyway this is no different than the HP systems that support MCE. Come on get on board and put together some innovation, isn't that what OSS was suppose to be about...but atlas, not really. They just do the same thing as everyone else and just put it in a different package......How many linux distro's do we have again ? If its more than 5 you can NEVER EVER AGAIN complain about MS having to many windows version.

Seriously though if someone is going to repackage MythTV and offer an OSS DVR like that including the hardware it should support cablecard(s).

Let me guess (4, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 8 years ago | (#15203978)

They are using one as a server while they watch a movie?

Are they paying TiVo Licensing Fees? (1, Insightful)

IflyRC (956454) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204020)

I wonder if any of the technology in this makes use of anything patented by Tivo. It should be interesting to see if Tivo ever goes after them.

Re:Are they paying TiVo Licensing Fees? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204083)

You might find NZ doesnt give two hoots about american patents. How good is that !

Re:Are they paying TiVo Licensing Fees? (1)

Danga (307709) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204105)

It should be interesting to see if Tivo ever goes after them.

I think this is why it is only for sale in New Zealand right now. You can bet your ass that if they try to enter the US market or anywhere else Tivo has jurisdiction that Tivo will go after them tooth and nail. This will be interesting to see develop.

On another note, I am not exactly sure how I feel about a for profit business using MythTV like this. It is one thing to sell a service/device that takes advantage of a couple Open Source tools just to use as tools but this is basically letting ALL of the software work be done by someone else and then profiting on it. I would hope they would at least donate some proceeds to MythTV (which I don't think is even easily done as I don't see any information how to donate at the MythTV website).

Re:Are they paying TiVo Licensing Fees? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204340)

*is out of the loop*

Why would they pay TiVo Licencing fees? Is this another one of your stoopid software patents?

OSS - service -profit (1)

tinkerghost (944862) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204377)

Let's be honest here....
MythTV was written by geeks, for geeks, I don't think that there's a lot of debate on that issue.
If a company want's to make & sell a MythTV box and can turn a profit doing it - so much the better, but either way, the MythTV geeks will keep working on the project. [note that it would be nice if some of the profit was forwarded as a donation to the team.]
What they are turning a profit on is not the MythTV software or the hardware. People are going to be paying for the convienence of not having to put it together for themselves. Check out companies that are selling HylaFax fax-servers. There are companies selling Athalon 1800 PC's w/ 4 fax lines & charging $1500 for them. Thats about $400(assuming they arn't using salvaged parts or a high end 4 line modem cards) for the PC & $1100 for configuing it. Not bad money for a job that took me about 4 hours to do the first time(stupid ISA jumpered modems).

Re:Are they paying TiVo Licensing Fees? (1)

Gorshkov (932507) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204461)

So how is what they're doing any different from what RedHat does?

Re:Are they paying TiVo Licensing Fees? (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204589)

On another note, I am not exactly sure how I feel about a for profit business using MythTV like this. It is one thing to sell a service/device that takes advantage of a couple Open Source tools just to use as tools but this is basically letting ALL of the software work be done by someone else and then profiting on it. I would hope they would at least donate some proceeds to MythTV.

Actually, I don't have any problem with it at all. It is a self correcting problem. If the developers don't like it, they can stop doing the work. Then this company must either hire people to do the work or do it themselves. In any case, this company will be getting feedback from users and be pressured to make changes to the software including bugfixes and new features. This means they will almost certainly pay either the original developers or in house talent to make those fixes/changes. All this labor is then given back to the MythTV developers. Also, wider adoption of the software generates more interest and gets more people involved. In the long run, they may become like Apache, used by most people and developed by a core of engineers who are paid by important users of the software.

Priorities. (0, Redundant)

chinton (151403) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204022)

Maybe they need some network ready servers, first.

What's the big deal..... (1)

phekno (719662) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204033)

I've been running a Myth machine for a while. I think I only paid around $350 (US) for most of the hardware (tuner card, case, hard drive). Of course, the rest of the hardware I came up on loot.

On another note, what happens when HD programs get DRM'd? No more MythTV?

Re:What's the big deal..... (2, Insightful)

Delphiki (646425) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204062)

DRM should never be an issue if you're using a tuner card created before broadcast flag legislation gets passed (if it ever does). But unfortunately anyone who wants cable stations in HDTV is already screwed. MythTV along with just about every other decent DVR solution doesn't support CableCard or any other way to get digital channels off cable unless you are lucky enough to have a cable company who allows you to use firewire on the cable box or doesn't encrypt their signals. So basically this device won't help you watch The Sopranos in HDTV. Lame.

Re:What's the big deal..... (1)

fracai (796392) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204160)

The FCC requires FireWire on every cable box.
This is the first link I found:
http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/fcc-requires-firew ire-on-all-cable-boxes-015708.php [gizmodo.com]

Re:What's the big deal..... (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204367)

The jack doesn't help if the data is encrypted.

The broadcast stations may not be encrypted, but there's no point in paying your cable company for those. They're free over the air.

Re:What's the big deal..... (1)

sketchydave (924305) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204507)

Just an FYI, I have DVR through Comcast and the firewire port is active. I don't know if this is for every local, but they use the Motorola 6412 box and wikipedia has info on how to connect and transfer via firewire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6412 [wikipedia.org]

I've connected to my cable box with my laptop via Firewire and was able to use it like a capture device.

I've thought of building my own MythTV box, but in Boston Comcast charges an extra $14 a month for both HDTV and DVR and for me quite frankly its worth my while to just pay that compared to the time and cost of building my own system. I'm not knocking MythTV at all, I think its great but unless they resurrect the broadcast flag I'm not going to bother with it quite yet.

Digital Broadcast flag? (1)

tradjik (862898) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204050)

Since the site is down already - did any of the people who got to the site check out support for the broadcast flag?

If cable companies start using the protection with the didital flags would it render this machine useless? I know the TiVo does support it - after it was (un)intentionally turned on some poor user's Family Guy recording.

Down the road will we need to worry about not being able to use our toys if it doesn't fall into the industry's "supported device" list?

Re:Digital Broadcast flag? (2, Informative)

supun (613105) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204521)

pcHDTV - http://www.pchdtv.com/ [pchdtv.com]

----
The HD-2000 was a 5v PCI card with two RF inputs and mono sound for NTSC. The HD-3000 is a similar card with one RF input, one SVIDEO input, one COMPOSITE VIDEO and AUDIO input and one audo stereo output for NTSC but the HD-3000 also supports Cable/QAM. Neithor card detects the broadcast
----

Re:Digital Broadcast flag? (1)

supun (613105) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204544)

er, append "flag" on the end :)

Re:Digital Broadcast flag? (1)

Trejkaz (615352) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204555)

Cable companies in Australia already rendered machines like this (mostly) useless. That is, useless unless you only care about the six channels that aren't encrypted. I can only guess that NZ already suffer from the same problem, but who knows...

mythtv is still alittle too arcane.... (4, Insightful)

nblender (741424) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204069)

I have a mythbackend and 2 frontends. I'm building a new backend for my DVB card. Ignoring installation issues and everything, if a pre-built box were to just show up, it would still be a little too arcane for the general public to use. I see my parents as "general public". My dad has a laptop and knows how to use various MS productivity things... The myth recording profiles, and schedules, and so forth, are poorly designed so an average run of the mill person has no idea what any of it means. MythTV is still a product by geeks for geeks. For example,

In the mythweb page "recorded_programs", how is a non-geek supposed to know what "has commflag: Yes" means? "has cutlist: No". How bout "recgroup"?

Don't get me wrong. I mythtv. In fact, I never watch livetv anymore and don't think I've seen a commercial in over a year. My wife has an xbox on 'her TV' as a mythfrontend to the backend. It's relatively wife-friendly. But it's not ready for the 'out of the box' market yet.

Re:mythtv is still alittle too arcane.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204356)

MythTV is too complicated. Instead people should get an Apple [apple.com] PVR. It is so simple, it has no PVR functionality at all!

Re:mythtv is still alittle too arcane.... (1)

the_crowbar (149535) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204453)

How are you running an xbox as a MythTV frontend? I have an xbox modded with an upgraded HD. After doing a little searching there appears to be a build of MPlayer (that has support for the .nuv files from MythTV) compiled for native running on the xbox. I have looked at xbox-linux.org and I did not see an installer I could add as a menu item to my EvoX dashboard.

Thanks,
the_crowbar

Re:mythtv is still alittle too arcane.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204628)

Just install Xebian then use apt-get to install MythTV. I've been doing this for well over a year and it works fine.

Xbox-linux.org has info [xbox-linux.org] . They even have an image you can just download and chuck on your E:.

The link (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204075)

Hey is it just me or is the url, not working. Ive tried it on two different computers now, it won't work.

MythTV is not ready for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204088)

Now, I have been using MythTV for a couple of years now and it works pretty good but it's still really buggy. It's a college project and the inexperience shows (just look at the code if you don't believe me). It crashes or hangs every once in a while and it's really slow considering what it does.

Plus there are no commercial data (schedule) services available. Currently most of use use the Zap2it data labs thing but that is only for non-commercial uses.

Trully (-1, Flamebait)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204091)

While it might say it supports DVB-T (which to my knowledge is only used in Europe and some Asian countries), without full native support for digital cable, any kind of DIY PVR or MCE PC is just a gimmick. They are glorified VCR's where the only way you can record digital cable or HDTV is to connect the cable box to your video in, and hit play and record on two remotes.

What I want is fully digital and fully automated PVR support, like I get with my cable box. Looking through an interactive guide for up to a weeks worth of programming and then picking and choosing the content I want recorded, and then forgetting about it.

Open Digital cable standards are still not finalized, and despite lots of things supporting CableCards, few markets actually offer CableCard support for allowing 3rd party tuners and televisions to decode digital cable.

Until digital cable standards are open, or at least some solution that allows the proliferation of 3rd party and DIY PVR's and PC's, I will hold of on wasting any money on concepts like MythTV. The Myth is that is can record television, but the fact is that cable companies are moving to all digital distribution, which means that analogue PVR's like this won't work, period.

Until I can sit back and fire up a PC that displays the same interactive guide data I am currently getting in a proprietary cable box, I don't think these things will find any success.

Re:Trully (2, Interesting)

mzwaterski (802371) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204137)

Few markets advertise cable card support, but they are actually available widespread. We are fast approaching the deadline requiring companies to provide cablecard support (if we haven't hit that deadline already).

Re:Trully (1)

da' WINS pimp (213867) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204449)

Yea, cable card is there and it is a good thing, but try finding a videocard that accepts a cable card. Here's a hint - they don't exist. And if anyone knows different please let me know.

The only reason I pay for a POS SA8300HD is the ability to record two shows at once on either digital or regular cable. I say POS because on a good day when the wind is blowing in the right direction, the cable gods are feeling good, and the onboard software decides to actually work, I can get all the shows I schedule for recording. It never fails that something I really want to see gets screwed by my 8300 because the interface software is crap. I've been paying to beta test this thing for 4 years because there is no other option thsat works with digital cable. I'm really counting on Tivo's new series 3, which has two cable card slots. I just hope I can aford it.

Re:Trully (4, Insightful)

nagora (177841) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204150)

While it might say it supports DVB-T , without full native support for digital cable, any kind of DIY PVR or MCE PC is just a gimmick.

Speaking as someone who receives all his television via DVB-T in the UK, I can say that I have zero interest in digital cable.

Looking through an interactive guide for up to a weeks worth of programming and then picking and choosing the content I want recorded, and then forgetting about it.

Well, I suppose I could ask my MythTV box to cut back to only one week's programming but otherwise, that's what I do.

will hold of on wasting any money on concepts like MythTV

My copy of MythTV was free. Sounds like you've been ripped-off.

The Myth is that is can record television,

I appear to have 198GB of mythology on my hard drive, then!

which means that analogue PVR's like this won't work, period.

DVB-T is digital.

Until I can sit back and fire up a PC that displays the same interactive guide data I am currently getting in a proprietary cable box, I don't think these things will find any success.

Good news! You already can!

TWW

Re:Trully (3, Informative)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204337)

Speaking as someone who receives all his television via DVB-T in the UK, I can say that I have zero interest in digital cable.

I think a more significant problem is DVB-S support. Speaking as someone who uses Myth with Sky by having an S-video connection between the sky decoder and the Myth box, I would far prefer to just stick a DVB-S card in my Myth system. There are currently 3 problems here:

1. Sky encrypt their channels using VideoGuard and won't produce a CAM to decrypt it. This ties you into using an official Sky branded decoder (which are also completely useless for picking up stuff not covered by Sky). There are 3rd party CAMs available which claim to decrypt VideoGuard but they are relatively expensive (~100ukp) and I suspect the EUCD renders them illegal. I've yet to find a SoftCAM that will work under Linux.

2. DVB-S cards with a common interface are still reasonably pricey compared with DVB-T cards and DVB-S cards which don't have a common interface. This is probably down to lack of demand caused by (1).

3. To record multiple programs at the same time would involve having multiple CAMs and multiple Sky subscriptions. Ideally what would be better is to either do the decoding on playback (like Sky+ does), or (better) do the decoding in a post-processing job much like the commflag and transcoding jobs.

which means that analogue PVR's like this won't work, period.

Well I'm not sure what the GP is smoking here, as you pointed out the PVR being discussed in the article is DVB-T (i.e. digital), however I use my MythTV box with a plain BT878 card in it to record the analogue S-video signal off my Sky box and it works just fine.

Until I can sit back and fire up a PC that displays the same interactive guide data I am currently getting in a proprietary cable box, I don't think these things will find any success.

Infact, I get _better_ guide data through my Myth box than I do through my Sky box. The Sky box gives me a week's worth with often very short descriptions, whereas the Myth box gives me 2 week's worth of listings (pulled from radio times). Additionally, having looked at the Sky+ feature set I'd say my Myth box is a hell of a lot more capable (especially when I hear my sky+ owning friends complain that they missed the first episode of the new series of $foo because sky+ doesn't automatically record it, whilest my Myth box noticed the new series had started and automatically scheduled in the recordings).

Re:Trully (4, Insightful)

barawn (25691) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204272)

where the only way you can record digital cable or HDTV is to connect the cable box to your video in, and hit play and record on two remotes.

Uh, you do realize that it's not only possible, but rather easy, to set up MythTV to work with cable boxes [irblaster.info] ?

Hit play and record on two remotes? What is this, 1980?

Re:Trully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204433)

Just because your country is back in the stone age with this kind of stuff, it doesn't mean that everybody else is.

In Europe, subscription services use the DVB standard encryption system, with the access control provided by third-party plug in modules known as CAMs [wikipedia.org] . You buy a CAM off your pay TV provider, chuck it into your satellite / cable box, put the smartcard into it, and it'll work. The system was designed to allow you to use any set top box with any pay TV service, so the standard was part of DVB from the beginning. You can get DVB-S and DVB-C cards that have CAM slots, so it's possible to record subscription TV in Europe.

Basically, this is similar to the US CableCard, except it existed 12 years ago and is supported almost universally.

The UK and Australia don't use it though. As in the US, providers supply their own boxes, which have hard-wired CAMs using an access control system that you can't get (legal) CAMs for. Since both countries have one provider with a total monopoly over pay TV, that's not going to change.

Who needs cable? (1)

gr8_phk (621180) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204486)

"They are glorified VCR's where the only way you can record digital cable or HDTV is to connect the cable box to your video in, and hit play and record on two remotes."

What planet are you from? In my area there are 8 broadcast stations and many of them are just starting to figure out what subchannels are. The result? 13 distinct programs available at most times of the day - with nothing but some old rabbit ears. That's with the TV. My HD2000 card in the PC is happy to record any of it in nice digital (ATSC) format, but the reciever needs a better antenna than the TV in the other room. That's OK because the house is equiped with an attic antenna from the good old days - it's plugged into the PC. Most the stuff on TV is crap (cable included), so your insistance on paying for cable, and then paying more for digital, and more yet for HD is just beyond me.

If everyone would drop cable, some networks will pick up the few good shows that are currently only on cable. The slots are now available thanks to the subchannels of ATSC.

Would need a lot of work (3, Insightful)

Brix Braxton (676594) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204099)

As much as I love homebrew PVR's (I use several along with my Tivo) I can't help but think that for most people - the better value would be to just buy a Tivo and a lifetime subscription (and if they no longer offer that, then three years of service). If you want to copy MPEG files over, use Tivo to Go or get a ReplayTV. PC's are sloppy compared to these options.

Re:Would need a lot of work (1)

pocketstheclown (963187) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204201)

I agree, this is Geek which I find pretty cool, hehe. But most of the general public have other priorities than to mess with a this. My non-Geek friends see the computer and DVR nothing more than an appliance that one can purchase, having a warranty, support, all that warm-fuzzy stuff etc...

Re:Would need a lot of work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204560)

And for the rest of the world? Tivo is not an option for us in (World-US)

They must be good (2, Insightful)

Junta (36770) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204121)

I've only gotten my HD mythtv setup to 'crazy', acheiving 'mad crazy' is a huge step in the right direction.

Seriously though, not that hard. I have a box that does ATSC and mythtv and displays via DVI to HDMI cable to my TV. (AirStar HD5000 tuner, onboard GeFore 6150 for DVI video). It could do unencrypted QAM channels if I wasn't too much a cheapskate to buy cable.

I would be impressed if they had something that took CableCard or something for encrypted QAM channels on cable.

Re:They must be good (1)

Mr.Sharpy (472377) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204570)

It could do unencrypted QAM channels if I wasn't too much a cheapskate to buy cable.

Even if you weren't a cheapskate, don't even bother. There are almost no unencrypted QAM channels on cable. On my cable system (Cox) the only unencrypted channel is one the local WeatherChannel Weather Scan channel thing. A homemade DVR, be it MCE or MythTV, is really pointless from HDTV perspective except for OTA, and what's on that? The FCC has really screwed us over here.

If somebody has any way to get DVR functionality for HDTV over cable without having to use the cable companies box, please do tell. I hate my damn Cox DVR. It's slow, buggy and difficult to use. What would be really nice is a CableCard capable tuner for a PC. Good luck on ever seeing one of those though.

You can get a dual tuner version too (2, Interesting)

Heir Of The Mess (939658) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204290)

The site seems to be slashdotted for some reason :-0, but I managed to grab this bit:

Additional Dual Tuner Model Now Available

Wednesday, 19 April 2006

Due to customer demand an additional standard configuration of myPVR has been released.

It appears by far that customers want their "Personal Video Recorders" to have dual tuners. Hence we are please to announce the availability of an additional dual tuner model with the smaller 250GB Hard Drive.

For the average user this HTPC can handle between 100 and 300 hours of TV, dependant on capture quality and the use of myPVR to store other media such as Music, Games and Images.

You will be pleased to know that our current Limited Period special offers sill apply with this new model.

Last Updated ( Wednesday, 19 April 2006 )

Pricing Information Now Online Monday, 10 April 2006 We are very pleased to announce the initial pricing for our standard versions of myPVR 1.0. For a Limited Period we are offering the following special deal -

Software support extended from 3 to 6 months

Free delivery within New Zealand

Onsite install within the Auckland area

Note some conditions apply

This innovative HTPC (Home Theater PC) solution, with all of the features you would expect from a PVR, is now available for the New Zealand consumer.

Last Updated ( Wednesday, 19 April 2006 )

Myth Project (3, Informative)

u16084 (832406) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204462)

I believe this was making its round couple weeks ago, so skip the crying over dupes..


Pluto - Combines Security, Home Automation, Telecom (and other things) into a single package. Uses bluetooth roaming to follow your audio around your house.. OpenSource, and it also utilizes Myth. I thought Its a neat project.

Link - http://plutohome.com/ [plutohome.com]

PVR? you mean PBR right? (1)

seabasstin (304888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204681)

Man I thought this was about 2 for $3 PBR's, now you are telling me its about the teli?

TV OUT limitations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15204708)

I've been using MythTV for about 6 months now and it has completely changed my relationship to TV. I've been able to implement every single feature I want in a PVR (multi-tuner, export to DVD/VCD, cable box control, etc.) However, the one thing that is still lacking is the TV output. I haven't moved to HD yet so I'm using S-video TV output from my video card. The quality is certainly passable, but it is nowhere near the quality coming out of my cable box. Until the capability exists to get the same quality picture (or at least close) out of MythTV or any other roll-your-own PVR, people will be unsatisfied with it. I'm curious to see the quality of the picture coming out of these boxes. Unfortunately, their site seems a bit Slashdotted right now.

Nope, it's too true to be good (1)

wealthychef (584778) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204742)

The problem with solutions that are not integrated into the cable/satellite box with current technology is that they have to use IR (infrared) controller to change channels. This misses sometimes, making you miss some of your shows. For this reason, I would rather have an inferior interface with a higher reliability, integrated into the unit. This is why I use DirecTV, because they integrate TiVo into their box, and it's like $5/month for the service. It's worth it for the fact that I never miss a scheduled show.
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