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Canadian Music Stars Fight Against DRM

samzenpus posted more than 8 years ago | from the it's-ok-to-share-eh dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Some of Canada's best known musicians, including Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin, Sum 41, and Barenaked Ladies, have formed a new copyright coalition. The artists say in a press release that they oppose file sharing lawsuits, the use of DRM, and DMCA-style legislation and that they want record labels to stop claiming that they represent their views."

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WHO CARES WHAT A BUNCH OF ESKIMO FAGGOTS THINK? (0, Troll)

Subject Line Troll (581198) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209011)


 

Welcome back! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209092)

Long time no see

well duh (5, Funny)

MrP- (45616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209013)

of course avril would be against DRM.. she's a l33t h4x0r with songs like "Sk8er Boi"

For once (5, Funny)

SirLestat (452396) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209016)

I am from Quebec and finally proud to be Canadian ! Way to go guys !

Re:For once (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209079)

Yes, I understand, it's difficult to be a proud Canadian with Quebec still here :P

(although you have nice tax rates for students, i.e. no provincial tax on fellowships, so I'm also glad I became a resident, leech that I am...)

Re:For once (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209169)

Wow! One Quebequoi that actually wants to be a Canadian! Now, if you could just convince the other 7,568,639 residents of Quebec that being Canadian isn't so bad, then we'd really have something!

Re:For once (1)

JordanL (886154) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209175)

How's he supposed to do that? They all speak French?

Re:For once (1)

archen (447353) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209229)

No, I think it means he's going to get deported to newfounland until he's learned his lesson.

Re:For once (4, Funny)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209170)

What does Quebec have to do with Canada? :)

Re:For once (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209219)

Quebec is it's own special little place in the world, they speak neither 'french' nor are they Canadian. And they elect people to FEDERAL positions from the sovereigntist party, go figure. Know what kills me though, I've travelled all over Europe, from Prague to Barcelona/Helsinki to Rome and I never had a problem speaking English with people.

I can't say the same thing about Quebec.. a lot of people refuse to speak English and they're fucking rude about it. Even in Montreal there is a snidey attitude about English. I don't know if they're elitists or what the problem really is but I dread having to travel to that province.

Re:For once (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209251)

Yeah, but try getting some good poutine in Prague.

That just shows (-1, Redundant)

Xiph (723935) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209018)

That i can respect Avril Lavigne, for not being stupid.
Way to go girl!

Re:That just shows (5, Funny)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209107)

>> Avril Lavigne

I don't know anything about the person or her music, but that name always sounds like a feminine hygiene product to me.

Heh (0, Offtopic)

Drakin030 (949484) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209030)

Some of Canada's best known musicians, including Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin, Sum 41, and Barenaked Ladies, have formed a new copyright coalition.
Bush: Also apart of the Axis of Evil >_>

Re:Heh (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209084)



Bush: Also apart of the Axis of Evil >_>

Actually, Bush is a British band.


Serious question (3, Interesting)

HeavensBlade23 (946140) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209037)

If Sarah McLachlan opposes DRM so much why did she have it on one of her CDs? As a matter of fact the CD I'm talking about was one of the Sony rootkit CDs.

Re:Serious question (5, Insightful)

sinclair44 (728189) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209049)

It may not have been her choice, or she may have not even known about it until it was too late. I imagine that the people in charge of such things don't really care what the artists think, as long as they get their piles money.

Re:Serious question (2, Insightful)

Xuranova (160813) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209055)

You think she had any say so in her disc pressing process? She got to see the pretty pictures, the song selection, and well then the big wigs took over the rest.

My first guess. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209059)

That would be a question to ask Sarah McLachlan, and as far as I am aware, Sarah McLahlan does not read slashdot. If you ask the question here, she will not see it.

However my guess would be that it is something along the lines of
  1. Her label did it, not her
  2. She is opposed to her label having done it, and
  3. This is why she is starting a public pressure group specifically designed to get her label to stop doing such things.
Perhaps you will suggest that Sarah McLachlan should have used her leverage as an artist with the label to prevent them from engaging in such practices with her music at the time the CD was released. If you do this, I will laugh until I pass out from lack of oxygen.

Re:Serious question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209060)

How much control does she have over her CD, versus the label executives and etc?

Re:Serious question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209068)

Because it's not always up to them. Sony probably put it on there without ever asking. For big label work, the recording companies control the show, not the artists.

Re:Serious question (2, Insightful)

salle_from_sweden (896798) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209089)

Isn't it likely that she's in this coalition because her record company put a rootkit on her CD's without her knowing about it?

Re:Serious question (1)

Mitsoid (837831) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209095)

Artists just make the songs, but have no control over how they are distributed, thanks to record labels...

Some artists have had major objections to various acts their label put them through... The only other option though is to go 'indie'... CD Protection? Lawsuits? Use of their song in (movie/commercial/compelatin cd)? They got no rights to their own material/distribution...

Re:Serious question (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209112)

well, maybe they should learn to understand contracts?

Re:Serious question (1)

NeuroAcid (806498) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209135)

Exactly what I was thinking. From what I read, they don't seem to be creating a new label to produce their work under. Creating a coalition is great and all, but it need to be followed up with starting up a music company that won't force their artists to sign their music/lives away. Again, good start, but lets hope it's not a marketing ploy.

Re:Serious question (2, Insightful)

c_forq (924234) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209216)

The problem with this is once you start your new company your old label stops letting you perform everything you recorded while with them (not to mention that most hold heavy dept over you to keep you in their pocket). Trying to start anew is a an extremely risky proposal, especially if you have an established catalogue.

Re:Serious question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209176)

Right. Because contracts give one side unilateral control over the other side's behavior and absolve the "masters" of all blame for the actions they order their "slaves" to perform. In fact, I bet that you believe that if the record label decides that singing about women getting raped by dogs should be their next album, this would entirely be the artists fault for signing the contract, no blame at all on the people who think up this bullshit.

Re:Serious question (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209111)

BECAUSE SHE HAD NO SAY IN THE MATTER. She's a musician, do you think she's a bit-head like the rest of Slashdot? She makes the music and it probably came as a belated shock to her that her fans couldn't player her music on their computers.

Jebus...did you read the article? Did you read the part about how they say that the record company does not represent their interests??

Jesse Cook had the same problem. "Nomad" was released with full DRM bullshit without his knowledge or consent. His official forum was FILLED with anger about this, but it's not like he had a CHOICE. It was just DONE, end of story on all sides.

It's the same story in the video game world. Remember when all that Cedilla-based copy protection started appearing in 1999, courtesy of Electronic Arts? It's not like the small game houses that depended upon EA had ANY SAY WHATSOEVER about this. EA was the publisher and EA said "Cedilla on every fucking disc." End of story.

The publishing consortia have been pulling this shit for a LONG time and this kind of organized resistance by the artists has been LONG overdue (take note Metallica).

Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209042)



Wow, that represents about 80% of my beat-off fantasy time right there.





the guys in sum41 occupy the other 20% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209053)

i guess

Re:Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin (-1, Offtopic)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209057)

And that still doesn't tell me what your sexual orientation is.

Re:Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin (5, Funny)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209071)

Wow, that represents about 80% of my beat-off fantasy time right there.

No need to post as AC to admit that. Now, if you'd said Gordon Lightfoot and Bryan Adams on the other hand...

Re:Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin (2, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209103)

Nothing gets me hotter then listening to 'The Sinking of the Edmund Fitzgeral' sung by Bryan Adams.

yikes.

Gordon Lightfoot did the worse thing for his song that anyone could do. He bequethed it to the famil members of the men that dies.

So now to get permission to use it, you half to tlak to dozens of people abut the worse day of their lives. Effectivly locking it up.

Re:Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin (1)

martinX (672498) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209160)

Wow, that represents about 80% of my beat-off fantasy time right there.

really? [gov.bc.ca]

Re:Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209161)

and Celine Dion makes up the remaining 20%?

repeat in america please.... (5, Funny)

jollyroger1210 (933226) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209044)

Why don't American artist replicate this type of coalition? We let Canada beat us!! Canada!

Re:repeat in america please.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209110)

Nah, America will just shut it down, and then in a few years an almost identical coalition will appear in Russia.

Re:repeat in america please.... (4, Funny)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209242)

Don't worry, we've got contigency plans for this type of thing.

Canada's low gun ownership rate will make the occupation much easier.

Duh... (1)

improbable (691037) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209052)

Record companies like profit?

*shocked*

Hooray! Hooray for This! (n/t) (-1, Offtopic)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209058)

asdf

Correction (0, Troll)

Drakin030 (949484) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209061)

Some of Canada's best known musicians, including Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin, Sum 41, and Barenaked Ladies
I think the artical should read:
Some of 1990's greatest rejects.

Re:Correction (2, Informative)

BobNET (119675) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209174)

Some of 1990's greatest rejects.

Shows how much you know. Avril Lavigne didn't even release her first album until 2002...

Re:Correction (1)

Drakin030 (949484) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209239)

Parddon I mixed her up with Alanis morissette

It's a shame its too late for Sarah's last album (5, Interesting)

QX-Mat (460729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209062)

I took it back to Woolworths the week I brought it. It skipped badly on my Sony Vaio - my computer is my audio rig, and with the speaks I had hooked up at the time, I certainly wanted it to stay that way.

Just last week I saw the Sarah McLachlan DVD and thought, "stupid drm" and not about the artist. I will force myself to see her in a better light now, but if she's not touring near me, I can't exactly give her the money I want to (by buying her material) because although she's going the right away about things _now_, her cds on the shelf are still DRMed.

In the end I was forced to I download Afterglow. I became a pirate because I couldnt experience the music on my, and on my creative zen.

For an artist I discovered via napster a long time ago, this sure does suck. Are they trying to lock me out of the market, or really fence us into a no-rip-no-choice era? Either way I see it, when I can't use WhateverAMP and my mp3 player, they've lost me as a customer.

Matt

Re:It's a shame its too late for Sarah's last albu (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209139)


instead of just taking it (without paying) why not send a cheque to the artist, make it payable to him/her personally (not their fan club or record company) and send it to her/him/them with a note saying , i downloaded your music and here is some appreciation

just a thought

A.

Legal Download (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209162)

Or you could have gone to https://www.werkshop.com/sarahmp3/index.jsp [werkshop.com] where you can purchase a few of her cds in mp3 or flac format and avoided DRM altogether.

Re:It's a shame its too late for Sarah's last albu (2, Insightful)

Animaether (411575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209220)

It's funny... you love her music, and you wanted it, so you went out and bought it - came home, found that the DRM killed the experience, and...

returned the product and pirated it instead.

That's funny, because you could also just as well have pirated it without returning the product - that way you'd still be supporting the artist (in a very small way, and yes - you'd also be supporting the label, the drm guys, the shop owner, the guy driving the truck with packages of CDs/DVDs, etc.). All in all, though, nobody really forced you to truly pirate.

Also, you say they have lost you as a customer - that's a good definition, as they didn't lose you as a consumer. You still get to enjoy the end-result of people's work, without rewarding them in the way they have chosen to be wanting to be rewarded (i.e. $$$).

The sibling poster was right - could've bought it legit in a reasonable online store if you really, really felt strongly about returning the DRM-crippled CD/DVD.

Just my 2cts..

Missing Artist (4, Funny)

kloffinger (837670) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209074)

TFA: "Canada's leading artists to speak for themselves."
Yet there is no mention of Bryan Adams.
What kind of a hoax is this?

Re:Missing Artist (1)

BobNET (119675) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209155)

Maybe he doesn't count because he lives in England?

At least they didn't mention Celine or Shania. They don't live here either...

Re:Missing Artist (4, Funny)

masdog (794316) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209193)

I didn't see Shatner's name on the list either.

'O Canada!' (0, Offtopic)

DesireCampbell (923687) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209075)

I 3 Canada :)

Re:'O Canada!' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209082)

You scrotum Canada? Boy, I think you missed a '' in there.

Re:'O Canada!' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209178)

Ahahaha, that's what you both get for not using the Preview button!

"Piracy" is good for the RIAA (5, Insightful)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209086)

I was going to blog about this, but I'm feeling lazy tonight.

First of all, like RMS, I hate applying the term "piracy" to non-commercial copyright violations, so I won't use that term. Instead, I'll call it what it is, unauthorized copying.

Unauthorized copying is to the RIAA what "terrorism" is to the Bush Adminstration, namely, a scapegoat and a straw man argument with which to justify draconian legislation and to garner (barely) sufficient public support for any new legislation favoured by both institutions.

As the Bush Adminstration maintains the conditions (ex: War on Iraq) to indirectly promote terrorism, it justifies renewing the Patriot Act on the basis that it will "help stop terrorism". To make a blatantly obvious statement, the goal of the Patriot Act does not in any way, shape, or form have anything whatsoever to do with stop terrorists, but is instead intended to grant the government the ability to further spy on and control its citizens.

In the same vein, I believe that the RIAA wishes to maintain a certain level of unauthorized copying because it will allow them to justify legislation such as the DMCA and the broadcast flag. The goal of such legislation is not to eliminate or even substantially reduce unauthorized copying, but to maintain control over the industry and keep out fledging competitors, such as independent artists who would have otherwise been promoted through P2P, and to maintain their antiquated business models, which for all intents and purposes should have become obsolete.

So, it's all an elaborate shell game on their part.

Re:"Piracy" is good for the RIAA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209203)

First of all, like RMS, I hate applying the term "piracy" to non-commercial copyright violations, so I won't use that term. Instead, I'll call it what it is, unauthorized copying.

Hey genius, no matter how much you may wish it was not so, it is piracy.

From dictionary.com, piracy is The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material [reference.com]

You and RMS can give it up. It is piracy.

I love when slashbots try to act smart, but I just totally destroyed you.

Re:"Piracy" is good for the RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209211)

I prefer the term "bootlegging" myself.

Unlike "piracy", the dictionary definition actually fits.

They don't believe so strongly as to walk away... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209087)

from their record contracts.

Several of Sarah McLachlan's CDs are DRM'd:

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004144.php [eff.org]
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~freeculture/wiki/index.php /DRM [harvard.edu]

(data unavailable for the other members, but it wouldn't surprise me), and almost all (Broken Social Scene and possibly a couple others being exceptions) are currently signed to RIAA/CRIA member labels. Most have released albums with those labels in the last couple years - i.e., since the campaign of lawsuits started.

Put your money where your mouth is, folks.

Re:They don't believe so strongly as to walk away. (2, Informative)

BobNET (119675) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209138)

I don't know about the other artists but BNL's contract with Reprise Records expired in 2003. Technically they're independent (again), although the records are still being distributed by Warner.

And there's no sign of DRM on 2004's Barenaked For The Holidays. That's the album that was re-released on a USB key full of DRM unencumbered (but still lossy) MP3s last year...

Re:They don't believe so strongly as to walk away. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209204)

You're right - their crappy holiday album is on a non-RIAA label. Every major album release, however, is. (i.e., every hit song, every back-catalogue sale they continue to collect royalties on). Maybe it's independent because none of the labels would release it...

If I had a million dollars... (5, Funny)

Stick_Fig (740331) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209093)

"...we wouldn't have to download torrents!"

"But we would download torrents! In fact, we'd just download more!"

Re:If I had a million dollars... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209208)

I wonder if anyone outside of Canada actually got this reference.

Anyone care to spell this (quite obscure) joke out and satisfy my curiosity?

Re:If I had a million dollars... (2, Interesting)

stinerman (812158) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209257)

The Barenaked Ladies have a song that is called "If I had $1,000,000".

Some of the lyrics of the song are:

If I had $1,000,000, we wouldn't have to eat Kraft Dinner (aka macaroni and cheese)
But we would still eat Kraft Dinner, we'd just eat more

The only thing Canadian about it is the term "Kraft Dinner". AFAIK, macaroni and cheese is generically refered to as Kraft Dinner there.

what? (1)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209258)

"Anyone care to spell this (quite obscure) joke out and satisfy my curiosity?"

Obscure? The summary lists the Barenaked Ladies. The post's subject is the name of a famous song of theirs. It doesn't get more obvious than that...

Re:If I had a million dollars... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209260)

Wikipedia is your friend [wikipedia.org] .

go go go.... (0, Offtopic)

uncanny (954868) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209106)

hipster teen slacker force unite!!!

Re:go go go.... (0, Offtopic)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209165)

meh

Irrelevant (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209115)

What the artists think is totally irrelevant in Canada. Downloading copyrighted music is completely legal here (for now).

(Not to mention justified since consumers here pay a "pirate-tax" on all blank CD purchases, effectively paying for the music they might potentially "steal")

Who will be the first to... (0, Redundant)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209117)

...Do this for the good ole' US of A? We *need* this. It's gotten to the point where art is directed by non-artists, and that's WRONG.

Record companies smarter than they seem (4, Funny)

AeroIllini (726211) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209133)

I think the record companies are blaming piracy because it's a solid business case.
addDRM(music);
switch (whatHappensAfter) {
  case "piracy goes down":
    println("See?! We TOLD you the evil pirates were stealing! DRM works!");
    addMoreDRM(music,movies,television,software);
    money++;
    break;
  case "piracy goes up":
    println("Ahh! They're stealing more to spite us! This is war!");
    addMoreDRM(music,movies,television,software);
    money++;
    break;
  case "piracy stays the same":
    println("Those filthy pirates will steal no matter what we do! We must make the DRM stronger!");
    addMoreDRM(music,movies,television,software);
    money++;
    break;
}
These artists just created a buffer overflow. Woo!

Re:Record companies smarter than they seem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209266)

Wait, wait, wait, you forgot "Let's tie it in with tarrarism and lockem up for 10 years"...

Re:Record companies smarter than they seem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209268)

I bet Theo de Raadt [theos.com] is so proud ;) him being a Canadian & Software Security [openbsd.org] Guru an'll ..

akimbo

Not suprising from Avril Lavigne... (5, Funny)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209136)

It's no surprise that Avril Lavigne would do something like this... given her huge punk heritage and following, her fans would definitely get pissed off and leave her negative® text messages if she didn't rebel.

Re:Not suprising from Avril Lavigne... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209196)

Punk heritage??? Give me a break. She's about as punk as Britney Spears.

Re:Not suprising from Avril Lavigne... (5, Insightful)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209240)

Whoosh (the sound of a joke going over your head)

Re:Not suprising from Avril Lavigne... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209269)

Slam (the sound of a fist going into your face)

Re:Not suprising from Avril Lavigne... (1)

Jerry Rivers (881171) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209263)

I saw her at the opening ceremonies of the Winter Olympics (on TV) and she looked decidedly main stream. Actually, I have mostly disliked her music but I liked both her look and performance there. Now I have something else to like about her.

Convictions that Rock (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209137)

Here's what these artists are saying...

On DRM: "Consumers should be able to transfer the music they buy to other formats under a right of fair use, without having to pay twice."

On P2P file sharing: "Fans who share music are not thieves or pirates. Sharing music has been happening for decades."

On DMCA "the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act is one of the world's most draconian pieces of intellectual-property law."

On Lawsuits: "Suing Our Fans is Destructive and Hypocritical. We do not want to sue our fans. The labels have been suing our fans against our will, and laws enabling these suits cannot be justified in our names."

Members include: Sum 41, Blue Rodeo, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlan, Our Lady Peace and Sloan to name a few.

Excellent news (5, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209147)

It looks like at least a few artists have come to realize that the music industry cartel's stand on DRM is not helpful to artists. If they can get more artists on the bandwagon, they may be able to influence the debate. It's a helluva lot more difficult for the labels to convince people that DRM "helps artists" when the artists themselves are against it.

Re:Excellent news (1)

skiddie (773482) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209184)

exactly. They're rebuilding the fan loyalty that the RIAA has been destroying for the past years.

Broken Social Scene - their action (4, Interesting)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209156)

Their last ("You forgot it in people") album had a limited initial run with the copy protection. When the band found out they put a stop to it. See this link for an interview excerpt. Mind you, they're the biggest act on Arts&Crafts' label so that probably had a huge influence too.

I actually bought the copy-protected one (which wasn't labeled as such) and the label offered to replace it. HMV wouldn't.

Argh - the link (2)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209171)

link [30music.com]

[Hero] (2)

daeg (828071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209157)

If there ever was a use for Fark's tags on Slashdot, this is one that deserves a big spankin [Hero] tag.

This is it! (1)

openfrog (897716) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209159)

If there is one way to convince a larger segment of the population of what is going on, and consequently convince lawmakers that they are going in the wrong direction, this is it. Spread this movement, in Canada, in US and in Europe, and we have a chance against the labels and their legislation-buying money.

Yes, this is the way to go.

Re:This is it! (1)

openfrog (897716) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209205)

To state my case a little more precisely, the single legitimation for their acting like thugs is for the RIAA to claim that they are doing what they do for the benefit of the artists, and this is the line that lawmakers take for themselves: "I love country music" said a prominent one of them (forget my memory)recently.

THIS has the power to take that carpet under their feet. It is no longer only the greedy consumers, now. It is the producers themselves. This is big.

Barenaked ladies changing foot? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209186)

Anyone remember... We fooled you, huh? We're sneaky like that. [keepmedia.com]

Re:Barenaked ladies changing foot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209253)

Wait, are you suggesting that some of these artists are being hypocrits, and this may be just a big feel-good publicity stunt?

No, they must really care about the fans, the music, and not have an agenda such as how much of a cut the Music industry takes away from them!

Great! (5, Funny)

imadork (226897) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209191)

It's almost enough to forgive them for inflicting Celine Dion on us....

Re:Great! (2, Funny)

Jerry Rivers (881171) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209215)

Yeah it's unthinkable that she is one of the most popular shows in Vegas, and that millions of people who adore her singing have bought millions of her albums.

Re:Great! (5, Funny)

Darwin_Frog (232520) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209256)

Now, now. The Canadian government has apologized for Celine Dion on several occasions.

Three cheers (1)

drizato (608654) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209210)

Three cheers for these guys (err... folks... sorry girls) speaking out. I for one have a problem paying $14.00 US or above for a CD that costs just pennies to make. I agree with a little profit, but when the record execs are inflating the price of a CD just to fund the blow they put of their noses, I just can't bring myself to buy a CD... Add to that the fact that the musicians get little of the profit, and it makes it even worse. You don't have to be an economist to realize that this industy needs an overhaul. I wish American artist would take this same stand.

Re:Three cheers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209249)

Production cost of the CD isn't the only cost they have.

Only widely-available, interchangable commodity products are priced at the cost of production plus return. Everything else has a higher profit margin, including music CDs.

You're just rationalizing your theft.

Hypocrisy with Barenaked Ladies? (4, Informative)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209214)

From this article [p2pnet.net] . I remember reading this in the Toronto Star as well, which I haven't forgotten since:


The Barenaked Ladies' Ed Robertson also wades in with, "I'm totally fine with people downloading music, as long as they steal everything that they want. If you want pants, go steal them. If you need gas in your car, you should steal it, because you can. As long as people are consistent I don't have a problem. As long as they see themselves as thieves in general then I don't mind if they steal everything that they like. But it irks me that it's only okay to steal music."


So at least one of them is against sharing/downloading.

write to them and say thank you (5, Interesting)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209218)

I just sent them a short email thanking them for understanding that their fans are mostly NOT thieves. Is it any wonder that I in fact already own most of the CDs from most of the artists in that coalition?

Proud to be a Canadian today.

P.S. I especially like what's on their front page as the #1 bullet:

1. Suing Our Fans is Destructive and Hypocritical

Well duh?! When was that last time you saw a successful business model where you sue the pants out of your customers? :)

Re:write to them and say thank you (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209254)

When was that last time you saw a successful business model where you sue the pants out of your customers? :)

Well if you were in the business of selling more pants ..

They can read? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209261)

I would think the members of Sum41 would need their correspondence written on large sheet of paper and with crayon, as that's probably the medium they use to communicate with each other.

Avril would need your message on video tape.

Great PR move? (1)

krotkruton (967718) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209231)

Anyone else think this is a great public relations move for these artists? Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that, but it seems to me that fighting for the average listener is a great way to boost your popularity.

Publicity stunt (0)

xee (128376) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209233)

How is this not just a publicity stunt? If they have so many artists, they should start their own label. What can a couple more complaining voices do? The RIAA is within their rights under law. Even if their complaints are well received, what changes do they expect? I doubt the music industry going to say "oh, i see, we shouldn't do that stuff." Perhaps the solution lies in creating a new distribution system -- one not controlled by the current dominators.

Re:Publicity stunt (1)

Darwin_Frog (232520) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209267)

Well, for one thing, many artists are under contract to the labels, so saying 'Just start your own' doesn't really work.

which did you mean? (1)

jigjigga (903943) | more than 8 years ago | (#15209243)

Star Wars or Start Wars?

yuo Fa1l* It (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15209262)

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