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Azureus Inc. Moves Toward Commercialization

CowboyNeal posted more than 7 years ago | from the buy-this dept.

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SamBob writes "Future releases of the most popular BitTorrent client, Azureus, will come bundled with a 'platform' for media companies to promote their product to Azureus' multi-million users, reports Slyck.com. Azureus Inc., who are the newly formed company behind the Azureus software, plan to generate a profit from the platform in the future, but in the short-term are hoping to help independent film companies find their audience."

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GOATSE GOATSE GOATSE GOATSE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15227916)

FP?

Above the radar (4, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227927)

In the current anti p2p world, i dont think thats such a good idea. Now they will be a direct target.

Re:Above the radar (1)

madcow_bg (969477) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227970)

You are right. RIAA hates p2p. But ... you know that the customer is always right, ana there is a point in helping others. There are many quality movies that don't come from Hollywood, if you want an example, Munje (a serbian one), or GORA (a turkish). Besides, almost all of the bandwidth with torrents now is movies anyway.

Re:Above the radar (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228358)

" RIAA hates p2p"

No, they don't - they hate people illegally infringing on their copyrights via P2P... something that many here simply ignore, because the "RIAA hates P2P" soundbite is so much more pithy and is short enough to be remembered by the short attention span generation.

But, nice attempt at karma whoring!

Re:Above the radar (5, Insightful)

Cat9117600 (627358) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227986)

They'll be a direct target if they offer copyrighter material without permission. If they do this the right way, and sign on independent movies (which the article mentions) with permission from the makers, we might finally see p2p distribution of movies and music become legitimate, and Azureus become a place to get good, independent legal media.

"Platform?" (5, Insightful)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227938)

Am I the only one who thinks that this really means that it is going to be the next Kazaa?

Re:"Platform?" (3, Informative)

BPinard (971384) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227963)

Exactly what I was thinking. This is bad news. Good thing I've been using uTorrent for a while now.

Re:"Platform?" (1)

secolactico (519805) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228132)

Good thing I've been using uTorrent for a while now.

I love utorrent. I just wish there was a Linux version or alternative. I used to use the btdownloadcurses, but it becomes cumbersome when you want to leech/seed several torrents at once.

Re:"Platform?" (2, Informative)

nkh (750837) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228177)

try launchmany-curses.py if you want to download many torrents at the same time, for example: launchmany-curses.py --max_upload_rate 5 . to download all the torrents of the current directory, and on Mac OS X, if you drag and drop new torrents in this directory, these new torrents are automagically added to the download list.

Re:"Platform?" (1)

JulesLt (909417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228061)

Absolutely.

Actually the wider pattern is :

Build company doing something cool for free to get users.
Whore users off to advertisers.
Users go to next company doing something cool for free.

If you're really lucky you get to sell your company somewhere between steps 2 and 3.

Re:"Platform?" (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228343)

I dropped Azureus because it's a resource hog of Biblical proportions, like a lot of big Java apps. uTorrent isn't as feature rich but it's got one Hell of a lot smaller footprint.

I can only hope (0, Flamebait)

isaacklinger (966649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227939)

Their choice to bundle adware will decrease their market share. Their BitTorrent client is slow and enourmously resource hungry. They don't belong in the most used BitTorrent clients list.

Re:I can only hope (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228019)

I've only used it on OS X, and here it is a travesty. The GUI doesn't do live resizing (unlike every other OS X app). You often need to do a small resize to persuade the GUI to actually draw in the right place. The widgets don't behave quite like the ones that look the same in other apps. After an hour or so of use, it climbs to over 0.5GB of RAM usage (in-core size, not just VM size). It somehow seems to leak CPU - after a couple of hours it will be using 100% of my CPU for no observable reason.

I am not sure how much of this is due to Azureus and how much to SWT, but whatever the cause the result is a completely unusable product.

Re:I can only hope (2, Interesting)

Hackeron (704093) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228069)

Yes, you're right, but what do you use instead? - What else supports encryption (absolutely must for most UK users these days to avoid throttling) and allows you to prioritize files in a collection? And has all those other useful features like decentralised source sharing, etc?

Re:I can only hope (1)

lucas teh geek (714343) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228096)

although i have no concrete proof, i believe it sucks on osx because the ppc java virtual machine is poo. (i dont have an intel mac so i cant say if its any better on osx/intel). i have an old 1GHz windows pc with a mere 1/2 GB of ram that i do my torrenting on because its just much less sluggish, and thats using it over remote desktop. i really hope the switch to intel leads to a more optimised JVM for the new macs

Re:I can only hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228101)

The reason is that OS X's Java VM is absolute crap.

Replace Azureus (1)

Rocketship Underpant (804162) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228127)

There are numerous OS X Bit-torrent apps, but it took me a while to find one that's fast and connects to as many peers as Azureus. Transmission (http://transmission.m0k.org/) seems to be the ticket. It's simple and Cocoa-based. I'm using a recent SVN build of it. I'm glad to be rid of Azureus, with its resource hogging and its Mac-inconsistent interface.

Re:Replace Azureus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228238)

Um, its a cross-platform product! It's not meant to be consistent with any particular OSes interface.
As for the complaint about resources, sounds like the OSX JVM isn't the best in the world and I'll agree with you that Azureus does use more than its fair share of resources (I run it on linux and windows) but its not really that bad. Besides, RAM is cheap and its the small price you pay for having a good product that is platform independant.

Your computer must fail it. (2, Interesting)

PayPaI (733999) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228227)

USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND
ben 267 6.1 14.0 540848 127992 ?? S 6Apr06 4258:54.27 /Applications/Azureus.app/Contents/MacOS/java_swt -psn_0_1048577

After running for 23 days (and 44GB of transfers), activity monitor reports 124MB of real memory, 528MB of virtual.
Dividing the CPU time by the number of minutes it's been running yields 12.8% average CPU usage.
This is on a G4 1GHz with 896MB of ram.
I've never seen the cpu utilization issue or the window resize issue.

Re:I can only hope (2, Interesting)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228341)

Problem is, what else is out there for the Mac? I'm still using Azureus with pretty much the same problems as you simply because I can't find anything that offers the nice 'traditional P2P' two pane interface with the close-up detail windows for each torrent, nor the ability to pick and choose or prioritise files within a torrent. Anyone out there got any recomendations (OSX compatible)? uTorrent looks like exactly what I need, but it's windows only.

Re:I can only hope (3, Insightful)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228380)

I've only used it on OS X, and here it is a travesty. The GUI doesn't do live resizing (unlike every other OS X app). You often need to do a small resize to persuade the GUI to actually draw in the right place. The widgets don't behave quite like the ones that look the same in other apps. After an hour or so of use, it climbs to over 0.5GB of RAM usage (in-core size, not just VM size). It somehow seems to leak CPU - after a couple of hours it will be using 100% of my CPU for no observable reason.

I am not sure how much of this is due to Azureus and how much to SWT, but whatever the cause the result is a completely unusable product.


I concur. I had the exact same experience and thus concluded that it was unusable.

I get punished all the time around here when I bash Java, but Azureus is yet another example where it just seems to be true that Java for cross platform GUI platform lives up to the saying "write once, debug everywhere". Matlab, SAS, Wordperfect, Oracle Universal Installer, you name it, I get the email or phone call saying "Its broken again...". People defend Java saying that nobody on the planet knows how to do Java correctly, and that is the problem. They are probably correct. Now, mod me down.

Re:I can only hope (3, Interesting)

todd10k (889348) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228348)

"They don't belong in the most used BitTorrent clients list."

Lies. Azureus is great for what i use it for. Upnp support, encryption, graphical swarm trees, the ability to download only from specific seeders/peers, the ability to throttel my speeds at will...The list goes on. Alot of people say azureus is bloated, but those people have not availed of azureus` full range of features. It more than deserves it's place at the top of the list. However, i am nervous as to this "advertising" that's going to be implimented. if it's implimented in a non-invasive, "banner ad" type way, i will continue to use Azureus as my client of choice. However, if they impliment "tracking cookies, website loggers" etc, and take my information, then by god ill make the switch to uTorrent faster than you can say "John mcgillacuddy"

This will be a good thing... (3, Insightful)

Omicron32 (646469) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227945)

As long as there is no way the same media companies can track what you download elsewhere, I don't see the problem in this. Is Azereus open source? If it is there won't really be a way to hide snooping software in there.

I believe it'll be a good thing that will help Bittorrent be seen in a better light. I just hope it'll remain as cross-platform as the bittorrent client.

Re:This will be a good thing... (2, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228372)

Is Azereus open source? If it is there won't really be a way to hide snooping software in there.
There's also no way to prevent someone from stripping out the content layer and offering up Azureus 'Light'.

The bittorrent n00blets will use the content layered version, the semi-paranoid "OMG teh RIAA" group will use 'Light' offering.

I see no problems here, it might even mean more eyeballs on the AZ source code.

Not a terribly bright idea. (5, Insightful)

Darlantan (130471) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227946)

If they make it annoying at all, what's to prevent people from switching to the slew of other BT apps out there? Given the fact that advertising is almost always made to catch the eye, it'll have a hard time not annoying users. Frankly, I'd switch to something else even if it was a static clickable banner.

Re:Not a terribly bright idea. (1)

Darlantan (130471) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227978)

Note that I'm assuming they'll have some more direct system tacked on than a screen with a URL in the new media. That may not be the case, but unless the new stuff is really awesome, I don't see it getting enough hits to make the people paying to have it there really happy.

Re:Not a terribly bright idea. (1)

leonmergen (807379) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228224)

What do they have to lose ? It's not like they're earning money with it at the moment... they're just trying to, if it works, yay for them, it if doesn't, too bad but not much harm done for them (unless the entire development process relied on a future commercialization of Azureus, which I highly doubt...)

Bram's Client (1)

cerelib (903469) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227954)

I would have to say that I prefer the official BitTorrent client from Bram Cohen. It is a simple, elegant solution. I do notice that every time I look at a peer list it is filled with Azureus, but only a handful of the official client. Azureus is just too large of a program for the purpose of jumping on to a swarm and downloading. And now they want to add more to it. BitTorrent is really good for a few things like minimizing bandwidth for content distributors, but people want to bend it to be a general purpose p2p network.

Re:Bram's Client (2, Insightful)

Parham (892904) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228068)

You should give uTorrent [utorrent.com] a try if you like a small elegant client. I switched from the original BitTorrent to BitTornado to uTorrent, which I think is the best one out there right now.

Re:Bram's Client (2, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228113)

houghi@penne : sh utorrent.exe
utorrent.exe: utorrent.exe: cannot execute binary file

Re:Bram's Client (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228217)

Been there, done that. I used to use Azureus, then mainly because of it being a Java program, and also because it's so heavy on resources I switched to uTorrent.
While refreshingly small and elegant and at the same time feature-rich, somehow it doesn't work as good as Azureus. I mean, I am on ADSL, and every single KBps counts for me.
So now I'm back with Azureus.

Hear hear! (1)

Unski (821437) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228108)

Bram's client does what it says on the tin, so to speak, and no more. Can't ask for any more than that. Well, maybe a standard Windows file selector in the Windows client, that would be the only thing I would want to change, as at the moment (pedants please correct me) it is using the Gimp Toolkit for its UI, complete with GTK file selector. Yuck.

Still not enough to make me want to use anything else though. There may be better Windows clients, but I know that I trust the official B/T client in a way that I don't think I could trust the others.

upgrade to latest gtk+ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228230)

Maybe he should upgrade (if he hasn't already) to the latest gtk+. The file selector has been replaced with a better one.

Re:upgrade to latest gtk+ (1)

Unski (821437) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228308)

Maybe he should upgrade (if he hasn't already) to the latest gtk+. The file selector has been replaced with a better one.

I was talking about the Windows client, I'm sure I mentioned that repeatedly. If there are GTK+ libraries I should have installed, I don't. I know what the old file selector was like (vastly worse), but the new one still isn't great in a Windows environment. In any case, I'm sure it is unnecessary to have any separate libraries installed as at the end of the day the official B/T client for windows is just a statically-linked binary, containing it's own GTK+ libraries. Thanks for the Linux-centric advice though, it was most informative.

Re:Bram's Client (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228165)

I use uTorrent myself. A while ago, my isp (rogers.com) decided to start throttling bittorrent. I need encryption enabled to get by their throttling and get decent speeds. Before I switched to uTorrent I tried many other BT clients, but I must say uTorrent is the best one I've come across so far. Runs alot faster then Azereus and uses less cpu/mem resources. Check it out here http://www.utorrent.com/ [utorrent.com]

Re:Bram's Client (1)

Andronicus (263666) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228170)

Don't confuse protocol with application. It's not that people may want to bend BitTorrent to p2p use, this is what BitTorrent does! It implements p2p data transfer. How you apply that ability is up to you as an application developer.

It happens to be the case for the most part that most applications implementing BitTorrent have the purpose of enabling file transfer in general. New novel applications however embed BitTorrent transport functionality for a specific purpose, say a Podcast catcher, for example.

It would be more corrent to say that the people behind Azureus development may be looking to build a media P2P application using the BitTorrent protocol.

Or, future Azureus releases could look more like a pay-to-play movie player, offering a menu of content for you to pick, buy, and watch, having been transferred to you using the BitTorrent protocol.

Time to use a different client (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15227955)

This will cause people to switch to a different bit torrent client.

Re:Time to use a different client (1)

thdexter (239625) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227973)

Yep.

Today's the day I make the switch to uTorrent [utorrent.com]. It's a single executable file less than 160 kb in size.

Re:Time to use a different client (1)

ArcSecond (534786) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228002)

Welcome to the club. I gave up on Azureus a few months ago. (Micro)torrent is a really good app.

Re:Time to use a different client (1)

DaedalusHKX (660194) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228288)

Ktorrent, GnomeTorrent (and Gnome is a GNU FSF app so you can expect it to be as ANTI DRM as it can be so long as the FSF stays true to RMS's vision (Richard M. Stallman, for those of you who need your geek cards revoked). :) I'm noticing a disturbing trend towards closed source solutions and commercialization.

Re:Time to use a different client (1)

Ph33r th3 g(O)at (592622) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228005)

Took a look at their site and it looks like they have some uncomfortable ties to the copyright cartel, and they're enough smoke they've spent quite a few words to convince us there's no fire. I think I'll stick with open source clients.

Re:Time to use a different client (1)

Andrew Tanenbaum (896883) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228078)

You have a problem with copyrights whenever they're used to stop people from distributing pirated movies and warez, but you're all for them when they're used to protect GPL software? You're a hypocrite.

Re:Time to use a different client (1)

Ph33r th3 g(O)at (592622) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228091)

Exactly. And that's not a hypocritical position--the fact that the GPL derives its power from copyright law is a clever hack which wouldn't be necessary if copyright didn't exist. You see, for the GPL to be invalid, so must copyright law. Of course you no doubt already know this and are just trolling. Love your books, BTW.

Re:Time to use a different client (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228357)

Does GPL software ask you to pay money in order to be allowed to use it?

No?

Then how is he a hypocrite?

Fork. (4, Insightful)

Ph33r th3 g(O)at (592622) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227960)

The client is open source, no?

Ah, I see... (5, Insightful)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227961)

BitTorrent + Steam + Multimedia content providers = profit.

All you have to do is, say, convince Cartoon Network or Sci-Fi to publish their TV shows (with commercials intact) through Azureus. Users provide most of the bandwidth, content is delivered in a manner that earns providers money, and Azureus takes a slice off the top.

And suddenly we won't see HBO suing for people downloading the latest Sopranos. We'll see HBO distributing episodes for $1-2 to anybody who wants on the private tracker. Or better yet, users simply subscribe to the HBO/Azureus service and can download any available content they want that month and view as they please. Keep the price reasonable and the only pirates you have to battle are the people who wouldn't pay for your service even if they couldn't decrypt your works.

Re:Ah, I see... (1)

Doytch (950946) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228098)

That would require the networks to get their heads out of their asses. Uhhh, nope, not happening.

Re:Ah, I see... (1)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228140)

Then they go under to the first business that does it right. Same as CD-ROM software instead of floppies. Same as cassette instead of vinyl, CD instead of cassette. Same as DVD instead of VHS.

In 10 years, consumer demand for eminantly portable digital content will be so widespread (and so ingrained because today's youth grew up with mp3s) that companies will adapt or die. A failing business model will fail. That's what it does. The first company to break ranks with MPAA/RIAA will make oodles of money. In 20 years, we (our generations) will be the people in control of the MPAA and RIAA. At that time, they will remember with fond loathing how their companies acted in the first decade. They will change. It is already too late for them. Any legislation now will just make the changes later that much more painful.

color me not excited (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15227967)

Another decentralized index of user-rated content, soon to include thousands of bots rating spyware and trojan-infected files as high quality worthwhile content.... just like every other P2P decentralized index created in the last 2 years.

Re:color me not excited (1)

poobread (826669) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227985)

I fail to see why one BT client going to a corporate platorm would all of a sudden cause this.

Bitorrent has been used to share those kinds of files that appeared on kazaa, etc. for years already.

Dont Worry..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15227971)

Im sure someone will come out with an 'Azureus Light' with all the garbage removed, much like Kazaa light in the past

Response to TFA (1)

MaXiMiUS (923393) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227974)

"ok, I installed the thing, where do I find some good content for it?"

Has this man NEVER heard of google?

well (5, Informative)

bwd (936324) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227980)

It looks like it's time to migrate to utorrent [utorrent.com] if you haven't already. There no commercialization associated with it and it's much faster. The only downside is that it's for windows only.

Greek Note (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15227996)

BTW - In case you are wondering, the proper Hellenistic pronunciation is "Moo Torrent."

Re:Greek Note (1)

Peyna (14792) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228185)

I always thought it was pronounced "micro-torrent."

Re:Greek Note (1)

Fanboy Troy (957025) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228318)

I believe you are both right. As it is written, it would be pronounced mee-torrent in modern Greek, but I have observed that in english a mee is often pronounced moo. That pronounciation may have its roots in how it was pronounced in archaic-Greek (some letters were pronounced slightly different than in modern Greek). Anyway, whenever a mee is put in front of something else, it often is an abbreviation for 'micro'. Just as um (slashdot apperantly doesn't support Greek characters, sorry) is an abbreviation for micro-meter.

Re:well (1)

1.000.000 (876272) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228029)

Yeah the closed source client. The one where the author Ludvig Strigeus now works in association with some anti-p2p company called PeerFactor. Good luck.

Re:well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228089)

A lot of people have poked and prodded uTorrent pretty throughly and found nothing suspicious about it.

Re:well (1)

croddy (659025) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228128)

Poking and prodding it with a debugger is NO. SUBSTITUTE. for reading the source code and then building your own.

Re:well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228154)

It certainly isn't, but I'm not sure of the kind of evil genius it would take to somehow sneak traffic past a skilled user.

Re:well (1)

WedgeTalon (823522) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228317)

Recently, Torrent has been the subject of numerous articles as a result of the contract between Torrent's sole creator and developer, Ludvig Strigeus ("ludde"), and PeerFactor.

While PeerFactor has been involved in anti-P2P activities in the past, there is a large amount of misinformation being spread about Torrent, PeerFactor and the nature of the agreement.

        * No change has been made to Torrent as a result of the contract, and no changes will be made in the future. Torrent contains no anti-P2P component, IP logging or other monitoring as falsely reported by some websites, and is not affiliated with the RIAA or MPAA.
        * PeerFactor is no longer associated with RetSpan, and furthermore, Ludvig is in no way affiliated with RetSpan. Ludvig does not "work for RetSpan", nor does he work for PeerFactor.
        * PeerFactor is a new company, started by former PeerFactor employees who did not like the anti-P2P idea. They broke off to form a new pro-P2P company called PeerFactor SARL. This is the company that Ludvig is dealing with, NOT the anti-P2P PeerFactor.
        * The PeerFactor software that Ludvig is associated with is not anti-P2P software, unlike the PeerFactor program run by RetSpan in 2004, now discontinued. The head of PeerFactor states that "we do not distribute any fake file over P2P, but only useful content" (source).
        * The PeerFactor agreement does not give PeerFactor access to Torrent's source code. The only work done by Ludvig for PeerFactor consisted of the development of a single DLL which provides an implementation of BitTorrent for the PeerFactor software. Ludvig is not involved in the development of any other part of PeerFactor.
        * PeerFactor's software is going to be used to create a legal downloading service for webmasters to distribute large content more easily, as specified in the contract, nothing else.
        * Ludvig remains the only person with access to Torrent's source code. Torrent remains closed-source to prevent clones and modifications such as DHT hacks, not to conceal anti-P2P code. Torrent will not become open-source as a result of the controversy over the agreement.

Please refrain from spreading misinformation about Torrent. Should you have further concerns about the integrity of the program, please raise them in the Torrent community forums.

Re:well (1)

bogie (31020) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228375)

I PROMISE I'm not doing anything bad, really I do.

How naive are you?

"Torrent remains closed-source to prevent clones and modifications such as DHT hacks, not to conceal anti-P2P code. Torrent will not become open-source as a result of the controversy over the agreement."

Umm yea, those are great reasons.

Re:well (4, Interesting)

paulius_g (808556) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228092)

And for Linux, use TorrentFlux [torrentflux.com] which is a PHP torrent client which is controlable from the web.

It's really sweet and it's way nicer than VNCing to a Linux desktop filled with BitTorrent clients opened.

Hiring Linux sysadmin geeks in Dallas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228208)

Hiring Linux sysadmin geeks in Dallas, Texas. Email your resume! [mailto]

Well, the first thing a Linux sysadmin looking for a job would do would be to try to find a website associated with the domain name in your mailto URL (like perhaps www.psfservers.net), but instead we find nothing to provide any information as to what your organization is all about... we find a login prompt only (and it doesn't even behave properly with the Firefox browser -- it caused error text to get overlayed on top of the login prompt message, creating an unreadable blob of pixel-mess). Good luck finding what you're looking for, you're gonna need it, especially if you're unwilling to publish any more descriptive info about your firm.

Re:well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228354)

rtorrent. 'nuff said.

Re:well (1)

Tyir (622669) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228376)

VNC? The best is to ssh and use bittorent-curses with screen. Detach and reattach when neccessary.

Re:well (1)

bmgz (849666) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228355)

utorrent works flawlessly under linux with the latest wine (0.9.12 IIRC)... I have replaced azureus with it, Azureus slowed my beefy system down something chronic..

ads (1)

Bombah (572185) | more than 7 years ago | (#15227993)

Oh great, more "targeted" ads to sell me american content for wich I have no way to pay anyway as I dont have a creditcard. I live in europe, im sure the content they want to sell me will be useless to me again.

Azureus (0)

panxerox (575545) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228041)

How can they go commerical if its so hard to make the program work? I even as an experianced user cant make it work.

Re:Azureus (1)

shudde (915065) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228175)

I've installed Azureus on LFS, Slackware, PCLinuxOS, Kubuntu, Windows XP and I've yet to encounter a problem. While it has it's fair share of complaints (mem+cpu mostly), it's a pretty polished OSS application. Unless you're talking about Macs (which I've never tried it on), I'd say it's quite possible that you're either trolling or creating the problem yourself.

I'm hoping you've at least checked the Wiki thoroughly.

http://azureus.aelitis.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Pag e [aelitis.com]

Re:Azureus (1)

Net_fiend (811742) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228258)

I'm going to seem like a jerk saying this, but...you don't sound like much of an 'experienced' user then. Azureus is simple to use. Its a point and click application...what *does* make a difference is if you are trying to use plugins or if you're behind a router. There is plenty of information in their FAQ if you read through their site. Really the only con to Az is that it utilizes java...which still hogs too many resources imo. I hate the orig. BT client as it has basically no options. There is no inherent 'protection'. Perhaps I'm missing something? If there are add-ons/plugins for the program, please, do inform me. Honestly I don't see what Az will gain by gong commericial. They have to know that once they do just about all the people using it will convert to something different. Unless...of course they are able to provide some sort of decent legit content along with full support. The full support will be the breaker. If people purchase a product, yet can't get help on configuring it then they will not use it or try to return it.

Re:Azureus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228321)

I'm sorry to say this, but you are not much of an experienced user then. Maybe in crack and other narcotics but surely not computing. Even the most dimwitted of my friends have been able to set up Azureus. The most help I gave was explaining to them how to find their machines own IP address so as to forward the appropriate port to their machine.

Isn't this like the local... (-1, Troll)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228059)

...crack dealer trying to set up as a legitimate company, pay taxes, advertise and so on?

Re:Isn't this like the local... (1)

One Childish N00b (780549) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228369)

No, this is like a guy who loans his van out his friends in exchange for a few beers suddenly realising that there's money to be made in setting up a self-drive hire business; they only supply you with the means of distribution, not what you deliver with it.

Please do not assume bittorrent == illegal. Much as the RIAA don't want you to know it, it's the content that counts.

As I commented to the same story on Digg (0)

DaBlade (844180) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228074)

I'm a long time user of Azureus. I personally don't see this as a problem of any kind, as long as they keep it DRM free and isn't intrusive. As for resource usage, Azureus doesn't use a lot when ran through GNU's Java Interpreter. It's Sun's java that causes the insane resource usage. I think it would be a good idea for Aelitis to make this hollywood distribution stuff a plugin so people can delete it if they want to though.

Re:As I commented to the same story on Digg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228123)

I like Azureus... it runs on Linux, it's easy, capable and I love the RSS plugin (RSSFEED). However, I'd shift from it in a flat second if someone came up with a C/C++ (or even Python) app that had the same capabilities and plugins. As you expect with anything Java related, the memory use of Azureus is just obscene. The fact that it is a long-running app makes things worse. Good as it is, it's practically an advert for not using Java.

Re:As I commented to the same story on Digg (1)

DaBlade (844180) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228192)

I agree, but it's not as bad with GNU's java as it is with Sun's java. Either way, if I knew how to code, rewriting it in Python or something would be my first project.

...a payable tracker? (1)

Kaioshin (893295) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228084)

So is this just a tracker where you have to pay to download torrent files or something?

oops (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228126)

it's bad enough with norton antivirus, do we really need that shitty, bloated azureus

This does not mean advertising (4, Informative)

anzev (894391) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228153)

I'm not sure if all of you just want to post ASAP or can't read but this does not mean they will bundle azureus with adware of any sorts. AFAIK, a content layer will just provide a way of getting free content (they said in TFA that they have not yet analyzed any serious payment methods so this could mean it will be free, or not). Too bad they won't let the big distributors come into play:

"Large movie studios and record labels will not be targeted for the project, as the Azureus team do not believe that they are ready yet. "You're not going to see Star Wars or Batman quite yet," joked Rohter."

So basically everybody will be allowed to make a movie, then post it on this platform, and if I will like the "genre" I will just download it... Kindof :).

Anyway, I think it's premature to judge anything until we see what they've got.

Re:This does not mean advertising (1)

Pop69 (700500) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228233)

"You're not going to see Star Wars or Batman quite yet,"

They must be looking on different tracker sites from me.....

Azureus' source may fork here. (4, Insightful)

Andronicus (263666) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228178)

I think this is a bad move for the Azureus team. The need to make some money is turning the team away from building the best generalized BitTorrent implementation, so that it can become something that can generate some cash. I think that will ultimately kill it in it's new form, but it's present for may live on under new developers.

I don't mind that the team has this desire to profit from their work, they should. But this new development is unfortunate (for we users of current Azureus).

The community who has made Azureus popular has done so because the program is a really novel and effective implementation of the BitTorrent protocol for general purposes. It's supremely useful.

What they (the Azureus team) want to do with it now is very different and more narrowly defined. I don't think they understand that the audience which made their program popular is not necessarily the same (not at all the same IMHO) audience that might enjoy a P2P client with pay-per-download content.

I think many will bail to other general BitTorrent clients, and/or the source of Azureus will fork and a new crop of developers will continue to carry forward the original mission of the program: to make it the best and most portable general BitTorrent implementation.

Good luck Azureus! (1)

icepick72 (834363) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228181)

As long as Azureus program continues to meet my needs, I don't have to switch. They aren't going to sell the Azureus software to end users. How the content model ends up being fiscally viable, we don't know yet. Just because something isn't open-source doesn't mean I'm searching for crappy clients to find something else. Commercialization in some respect represents the maturity and popularity of the software. I certainly don't begrudge them that. It's their baby. They can choose to open-source it and to close it. It's up to individuals whether they want to stick with it or not. But I can guarantee you that most of the off-the-cuff comments I see around here "Well, it's time to move to another" will not come to fruition. Easy to say. Tough to do.

'platform'=spyware (1)

madnuke (948229) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228190)

Time to move to uTorrent... I liked Azureus shame how all good open source software is just made into a company now. And with that they will be more in the legal fire for illegal shareing as the media still do not know that many legal uses of bit torrent are praticed but Hollywood as just put the impresion that thousands of communist and terrorist pirates are downloading films and music destroing the world. In reality BT is the ideal way to distribute linux distros and other large files to save on bandwith.

Going on for a long time, without ill effects (1)

Shade00a00 (969001) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228195)

That Azureus was being used commercially is an old story : the company Aelitis [aelitis.com], whose members are the Azureus developpers, made an extra layer of integration to add below Azureus, to make it more efficient from a commercial standpoint.

Azureus Above All (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228206)

Azureus is a great piece of software. uTorrent might be functional enough, but it's no Azureus.

People need to cut the best (and free as in speech) client some slack. It might use obscene amounts of RAM but when somebody can point me to a client I can run in commandline mode that auto-updates itself, supports DHT, supports regexp scanning RSS feeds, runs on Linux, automatically queues torrents from a given directory, I might consider switching.

Heck, Azureus is worth buying another 512MB stick of RAM for, just so you can get files at a reasonable speed from a reasonably large userbase. Frankly I'm alarmed people would rather use proprietary software that is written by somebody that works with an anti-p2p company. Who knows what uTorrent has in it?

Re:Azureus Above All (1)

dhakbar (783117) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228324)

The uTorrent author is not affiliated with any anti-p2p companies. In fact, the uTorrent site has a small q&a regarding that idea.

The fact remains that for 99% of Windows users, there is no client that even approaches the quality of uTorrent. Azureus is a bloated experience in both Linux and Windows, in my opinion, and for you to say it's worth it to buy another 512 MB RAM for a p2p app suggests at least a touch of zealotry.

BT clients with RSS? (3, Interesting)

Johnso (520335) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228221)

Are there any good clients besides Azureus that provide RSS functionality? It's nice to be able to automatically syndicate downloads. In fact, the RSSImport plug-in for Azureus [sourceforge.net] is the only reason I still use that bloatware.

Do any other BT clients offer RSS functionality?

Congratulations Azureus! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228236)

You have just become irrelevant. Long live uTorrent, at least until something better comes along.

Donations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15228283)

I take it now that they're going that route that they'll refund the donations of all of the people who donated as their money did NOT go to pay for things like this.

missing a step (1)

Kortec (449574) | more than 7 years ago | (#15228338)

One would think that before they scale up, they'd make what they actually have work. From my experiance, the Azerus will go through about 3 gigs of memory in 2 hours via a nice huge memory leak under Java 1.5, and just fail abjectly under anything less. I'm not sure that I want a group that can't even implement something cleanly in Java, of all languages, to start breaking ground on anything else quite yet.
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