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Why is Kingdom Hearts II So Popular?

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the two-words-sora's-hair dept.

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kukyfrope writes "The long awaited sequel to the popular RPG Kingdom Hearts finally hit North America late last month, and in just those few days easily outsold all other games in March. GameDaily examines why nobody can resist the magic of Disney and Square together in Kingdom Hearts II and why the Kingdom Hearts series has been so successful."

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I wonder the same thing. (0, Troll)

Zangief (461457) | more than 8 years ago | (#15232904)

A lot of PS2 gamers are buying this shit. Are they the same crowd that go "Kidtendo, Kidtendo LOL" or "more liek Celda"?

Every review says the gameplay isn't very good, so the only explanation is fanservice. Fans of Disney and Square (or, more precisely, FF7) are buying this game.

Re:I wonder the same thing. (1)

Dorothy 86 (677356) | more than 8 years ago | (#15232929)

I know, I know. Don't feed the Trolls. Since when did I follow the rules? I review games, as a matter of fact, and I enjoy KH2, simply because it's a goofy, fun game. I enjoy the, often, light-hearted antics of Donald and Goofy, but I also like how the story has gotten a little darker. It's hard to make a truly dark game when you're playing along side of Donald and Goofy, but they do a pretty good job. I bought it, and I enjoy it, and I'll also be buying the Wii and new Zelda games (both for GCN and DS) when they come out. Not everyone hates nintendo as much as you love it.

Re:I wonder the same thing. (1)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 8 years ago | (#15232965)

What pisses (Ha! Urine!) Nintendo fans off is that no one in the media takes anyone else to task for what they berate Nintendo for.

Re:I wonder the same thing. (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233012)

I'm currently replaying through Kingdom Hearts II on Proud ("hard") Mode (as in, the PS2 is on next to my computer and I've got KH2 paused) but you have to admit: the gameplay in KH2 is, simply put, lousy. It's far too easy (mashing X will get you through almost anything) and in sections far too gimicy (complete silly minigame, beat up now-vulnerable boss, repeat).

The only reason to play the game is, honestly, for the story. If you don't care about the story and don't want to watch the cutscenes, there's really no reason to be playing the game. It's all fan service - that's not a troll, it's the honest truth.

If you're not a Square-Enix or Disney fan, the game will be amazingly boring. It's really not that good a game. For comparison, before I started playing KH2, I was playing a lot of Devil May Cry 3, and the difference in gameplay between the two is amazing. DMC3 requires quite a bit of strategy and actual timing to play - if you just spam "attack" you're going to die. (Of course, DMC3 also requires a lot of spamming "attack" for certain moves.) In KH2, even on the hardest difficulty level, you can easily make it through most sections by spamming attack. Some of the more gimicy boss battles require some amount of skill in targetting your spammed combo, but that's it.

Of course, I also highly doubt that the same group of people that think of Nintendo as a kid's platform will be playing KH2 for much the same reason. I somehow can't imagine anyone saying, with a straight face, "Nintendo is for kids - now excuse me, I'm gonna go sing along with Ariel, Donald Duck, and Goofy, before heading over to talk with Winney the Pooh."

Re:I wonder the same thing. (1)

Dorothy 86 (677356) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233460)

yeah, it's not difficult. But I still enjoy it.

I think the little gimiks are fun, to be honest. It's a good game to play when I want a good story without having to think too much about the game. Sure, that turns a lot of people off, but it allows me the sense of escape that I'm looking for.

To each his own, I suppose.

Re:I wonder the same thing. (1)

T_ConX (783573) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233025)

O RLY? All the reviews [gamerankings.com] I've seen are pretty positive. Or are you one of the folks who still think McIGN has objective review staff? After a 45 hour play through on Proud Difficulty, I thouhgt it was a massive improvement over the first.

Also, the Tron world kicks ass!

Re:I wonder the same thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233690)

The big difference between the PS2 and the GameCube is that the PS2 actually has games that aren't 20 year old rehashes. We are talking yet ANOTHER Mario or Zelda or Metroid or Donkey Kong. Yes, the PS2 may have a fun if slightly "kiddie" game once in a while, but the diversity of the PS2 is MUCH stronger than any Nintendo console. At least sports and RPGs sell on this console not to match the action and adventure titles that long eclipsed any Nintendo franchise. Oh and didn't the PS2 sell over 100 million consoles compared to the 13 million of the GameCube? Ouch.

Most of you Nintendo fanbois are still pissed that we got your Resident Evil 4 and it ended up being better! You all need to go back to your IGN Wii boards and suck each other's cocks.

OMGBISHIES (2, Funny)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 8 years ago | (#15232917)

For kids you have the familiar, lovable Disney characters. For the grown-up crowd you have Nomura's familiar smooth-faced, spiky-haired girly men. Never underestimate the power of bishies and hinted-at shounen-ai when targeting that oh-so-important magnesium-panties fangirl demographic.

Re:OMGBISHIES (0, Troll)

planetoid (719535) | more than 8 years ago | (#15232956)

Re:OMGBISHIES (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15234707)

You know it's legitimately funny when some uptight /.er marks it Troll.

Re:OMGBISHIES (1)

Kagura (843695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15234558)

I'm not gonna lie, that's pretty insightful.

Magnesium Panties? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15234694)

Magnesium panties? Someone please explain that one to me.

Re:Magnesium Panties? (1)

Millennium (2451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15258079)

They flare up at the slightest amount of heat.

Re:OMGBISHIES (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15235304)

For kids you have the familiar, lovable Disney characters. For the grown-up crowd you have Nomura's familiar smooth-faced, spiky-haired girly men. Never underestimate the power of bishies and hinted-at shounen-ai when targeting that oh-so-important magnesium-panties fangirl demographic.

And the FFanbois get modpoints today. Too bad, cause you're right.

Just one question: "Magnesium-panties?" Sounds hot(pun intended).

Re:OMGBISHIES (1)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 8 years ago | (#15235971)

As in, extremely volatile and burns brightly. As in, "So-and-so's panties explode whenever she sees Sephiroth."

Re:OMGBISHIES (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15235982)

Ugh... you just HAD to use that particular example...

I just don't get it. He wasn't that cool of a villain. All he had going for him was the whole operatic theme music.

Re:OMGBISHIES (1)

DragonPup (302885) | more than 8 years ago | (#15238255)

Well, he did kill Aeris...

Re:OMGBISHIES (1)

Senzei (791599) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239708)

I just don't get it. He wasn't that cool of a villain. All he had going for him was the whole operatic theme music.

I am pretty sure that if you had operatic theme music that played whenever you did ... anything, people would assume you were cool too.

Re:OMGBISHIES (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15243780)

But he only had it in the last fight, where he looked like some kind of wierd Dr. Moreau experiment.

Seriously. Squeenix needs to put the entire FF7 cast out to pasture.

I find the popularity of Kingdom Hearts II... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15232927)

...is fucking goofy. I just don't get it.

Re:I find the popularity of Kingdom Hearts II... (4, Funny)

mythosaz (572040) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233388)

The joke is...

Micky goes to see his lawyer.

His lawyer says to him, "I'm sorry Mickey, but you can't divorce your wife because she's insane."

Mickey says, "I did't say she was crazy. I said she was fucking Goofy."

Re:I find the popularity of Kingdom Hearts II... (1)

pnice (753704) | more than 8 years ago | (#15236899)

Wouldn't it be better to say, "I'm sorry Mickey, but you can't divorce your wife because she isn't insane."

Or as Brak (from Space Ghost) says (1)

miller701 (525024) | more than 8 years ago | (#15237834)

Why did Mickey divorce Minnie?

Because she's Crazy!

Good question (1, Troll)

ludomancer (921940) | more than 8 years ago | (#15232955)

The game is just cutscene after cutscene linked together by linear hallways of tiled textures and featureless surfaces. Marketting goes a long way for people who don't know what makes a good game. It doesn't matter that it's complete tripe, just that it's Mickey and Donald and all the bad Final Fantasy game characters.

Re:Good question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15234395)

I can't recall any marketing for this game.

Re:Good question (1)

Covetous Knight (957894) | more than 8 years ago | (#15236736)

I've seen several television commercials for it, and I don't even watch much tv.

It has a surprisingly complex and mature story (2, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233004)

Sure, the gameplay is simple, the point of "Go from world to world" is a little pointless - but there's an interesting story at work here, and it's actually kind of sad one.

**SPOILER ALERT!**

Basically, you have really the story of two people - Roxis and Sora, one of whom only exists because of a mistake from the other one. So right there you have the question - who am I? If my memories and self are absorbed by another, what point does "me" have? And when I choose to give that up for the greater good, will "I" be remembered - or am "I" just a shell, with no real identity of my own?

So, sure, it's simple and silly and rote at times, but there's actually some good gameplay here (I think the action commands are cool when boss fighting). Not "game of the year", but "pleasant low calorie diversion".

Re:It has a surprisingly complex and mature story (1)

snarlydwarf (532865) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233686)

Yes, it's simple and rote ... I'd even say most of the time it's very very easy.

OTOH, I see that as being 'good gameplay' ... there are so many side-quests that it's easy to find something you want to do at any given point. Want a space-shooter thing? Fly around in a gummi ship and blow stuff up on a few dozen courses. Want a platformer? There are plenty of those in Winnie-the-Pooh: find one you like. Skateboarding? Sure, do that in a half dozen courses...

It really is as simple as 'Hit X mindlessly, and hit Triangle when it tells you to' -- but if you boil down most of the really addictive video games (the classic being Tetris): gameplay is mindlessly easy and more varied than in most games.

The fact that you can buttonmash through the game is actually part of why I like it.

And, yes, the Disney stories are well done, the main story of Sora is well done... but... button mashing is fun!

Re:It has a surprisingly complex and mature story (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 8 years ago | (#15253286)

I think the point is, even with the "surprisingly complex and mature story" Why wouldn't someone just go play a game with a complex and mature story AND good game play... say Oblivion? Even still without compelling gameplay it's just a movie with mindless interaction, so why not cut out the mindless interaction and watch through an anime series or something?

It's the pokemon effect (5, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233015)

you hit every market. Boys like the figting, girls like the pastel collars and disney characters, hardcore gamers dig square and the graphics, it's easy enough for casual gamers. Pokemon did the same thing, that's why it was such a phenomenon. If you can make something that appeals to everyone (not po'ing your hardcore fans is an added bonus), you'll make money hand over fist.

Re:It's the pokemon effect (1)

Falconoffury (880395) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233221)

Not quite. I am disgusted by the color palette and the cheesy disney characters to the point where I won't be giving the game a chance. I guess manly men like me are in the minority.

Re:It's the pokemon effect (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233829)

So you will not try a game because it's isn't macho enough?
interesting... Too bad my wife and I both enjoy it.

Re:It's the pokemon effect (1)

arakon (97351) | more than 8 years ago | (#15236686)

I won't try it simply because it looks like a regurgitation of most other disney crap. Square and and Disney making money off material that should have been in public domain a long time ago. That and I absolutely can't stand most of the old disney cartoons like Goofy, Donald and Mickey. I hated them when I was a kid and I really don't like em now. Was always a Looney Toons kind of guy I guess.

Re:It's the pokemon effect (0, Troll)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239653)

Wow, you act so manly in your first post and then you slip up like that. A Looney Toons kinda guy? You probably get a hardon everytime Bugs kisses Fudd.

Re:It's the pokemon effect (1)

arakon (97351) | more than 8 years ago | (#15240512)

? the original post wasn't mine, you need to learn to read that little tag that says "by:" underneath the reply header.

Re:It's the pokemon effect (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 8 years ago | (#15242520)

Hah my bad, I simply read the comment text; it looked like a regular back and forth.

Re:It's the pokemon effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233419)

I love girls in pastel collars.... and how.

Becuase of Marketing? (1)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233032)

I'm thinking because kukyfrope is just some industry blogger.

Reviews aren't everything... the game is fun (3, Insightful)

dividedsky319 (907852) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233064)

I loved the first KH, and was really looking forward to the second. After reading the IGN review, I was somewhat disappointed becuase they only gave it a... 7.something. Not a great review for a highly anticipated game.

I still decided to pick it up. Now, while there are a LOT of cutscenes which can get annoying, I actually enjoy the gameplay. Sure, it isn't the hardest game in the world, and a lot of it is just mashing of the X button, there's still something satisfying about going into battle with 20 enemies and taking them all out.

Now, while the stories for each of the "sub worlds" (Agrabah, Halloween Town, etc) technically just follow their particular movie, it all ties into the story fairly well. Now, I am a Disney fan, but as a 24 year old I don't exactly go out and buy every piece of Lion King memorabilia or see every new Disney movie... so I definitely didn't buy the game based on the fact that Disney characters are in it. But the story is enjoyable.

So, put a good storyline, great characters, and fun, simple gameplay together and you have a quality game IMO.

Re:Reviews aren't everything... the game is fun (1)

goodenoughnickname (874664) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233208)

Please tell me Gummy Ships aren't in it this time.

PLEASE.

Re:Reviews aren't everything... the game is fun (1)

dividedsky319 (907852) | more than 8 years ago | (#15234332)

Please tell me Gummy Ships aren't in it this time.


Gummi Ships are indeed in the game... however, this time it's actually somewhat entertaining. Sure, it's still pretty much impossible to die, but there's certain treasures and things that you can get by defeating certain enemies. The graphics are much better, and the controls are a lot better.

It certainly wouldn't be a great game on its own, but it's not as annoying as it was in the first one.

Re:Reviews aren't everything... the game is fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15237291)

It's worth mentioning that the treasures you get in the Gummi mini-game are SOLEY related to the Gummi Ship. You get nothing main-game related by the Gummi mini-game (other than opening "routes" to access new worlds, after which you NEVER need to reclear them), and you get nothing Gummi-related in the main game. The Gummi Ship is almost entirely a seperate mini-game from the main game, other than the requirement to play through the gummi levels once.

You don't even need to complete the gummi levels to get a 100% complete required for the secret ending.

Not sure but... (1)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233074)

I'm not sure why it's so popular. I just finished a four hour session downstairs working on it too. But I think part of it has to deal with the friggin two year delay. As Ctrl+Alt+Del [ctrlaltdel-online.com] put it.

Because... (1)

Red Samurai (893134) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233123)

It's the sequel to an immensely popular game. Duh.

Easy ... (3, Insightful)

medeii (472309) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233170)

The reason KH2 is so popular is that there hasn't been a decent RPG out for almost a year -- not one that I've wanted to buy, anyway. More, there won't be another big-name RPG out until FF12, which is supposedly delayed until Thanksgiving.

That said, it's a very great game in its own right. But it's arriving in the middle of a giant drought for the RPG market.

Re:Easy ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233360)

Perhaps you missed the release of Dragon Quest VIII before Christmas? It may be a bit too old fashioned (ie non-active battle system, not a 10 minute cutscene every 5 minutes for people with ADD) for your tastes, but claiming that there were no decent RPGs for over a year seems a bit naive...

Re:Easy ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233453)

Since when is Kingdom Hearts an RPG? Its just an action game with some stats thrown in.

Except (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233566)

Except for Dragon Quest 8...

Re:Easy ... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233982)

The reason KH2 is so popular is that there hasn't been a decent RPG out for almost a year

What dought?

FFIV Advance
Mother 3
Oblivion

All have come out very recently, Im just about done with FFIV advance, and have just started Oblivion. Maybe you need to broaded your catagory from PS2 RPGs to just RPGs in general.

Re:Easy ... (2, Insightful)

Yosho (135835) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233998)

Dude. Radiata Stories, Wild Arms: Alter Code F, Wild Arms 4, Dragon Quest 8, Suikoden Tactics, Advance Wars, Suikoden 5, Tales of Legendia, Oblivion, Grandia 3, Romancing SaGa, Fable: the Lost Chapters, Magna Carta, Atelier Iris (1 and 2, although 2 was just released)... well, ok, a few of those won't appeal to everybody. But seriously, the only way you could say there hasn't been a decent RPG out for almost a year is if you only pay attention to Final Fantasy games.

Re:Easy ... (0, Troll)

PaganRitual (551879) | more than 8 years ago | (#15234288)

I think you got it right with your last sentence. The OP says that there haven't been any good RPGs out in the last year, which is blatantly wrong, before saying that KH2 is a 'very great game'. In other words, FF12 hasn't got it's english release yet so there is nothing else to play and he is all like I DONT KNOW IF YOU REALLY EXIST, BUT IF YOU CAN HEAR ME UP THERE, HELP ME CLOUD!!!

Re:Easy ... (-1)

Nightspirit (846159) | more than 8 years ago | (#15234710)

The problem is that the definition of an RPG game is so distorted that nearly anything could classify as an RPG game. Heck, I don't even consider final fantasy an rpg, I consider it a "linear movie-game". Basically everything is lined out, you are just along for the ride.

Re:Easy ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15234954)

Wait, what did that have to do with the rest of the thread? People who stick their heads out and go "wah wah FF isn't an RPG" are annoying enough when they're just talking to the wind, you really don't need to butt into a completely irrelevant discussion in order to spout off...

Re:Easy ... (1)

LiquidAvatar (772805) | more than 8 years ago | (#15234976)

No decent RPGs for almost a year... cause you know, Oblivion isn't decent.

I hate it when people consider these story-heavy action adventure games "RPGs", especially when they discount the rare real RPG that is occasionally released! The point of an RPG, for those who have forgotten the meaning of those three letters, is to play a role. You make meaningful choices that define, at least to some extent, who your character is, and then enjoy the story that unfolds around your character. Sora is not your character, and you have no choice in how he develops as a character. You never do in Final Fantasy games (or in Japanese "RPGs" at all, as a rule), yet they still epitomize an "RPG" for what seems like an entire generation!

Re:Easy ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15254172)

What makes you think Oblivion is any more an RPG than any Final Fantasy game? Your character in Oblivion is a blank slate -- and that's all he'll ever be. Nothing you do really affects the world, and you can flip-flop between being "good" and "evil" all you like; the rest of the world won't care. Sure, you can wander around and do different quest lines in any order you want, but the main story is still always the same. You find the heir, do some fetch quests, he beats the bad guy, you close the Oblivion gates. It always turns out exactly the same way -- the only difference is that FF games give you fewer sidequests to do before you have to finish the main quest.

I'd consider a game like Suikoden 5 to be closer to a "true" roleplaying game -- sure, there's a strong, linear plot with developed characters, but the game frequently gives you choices that affect the actions of other characters, and the game has eleven different endings depending on what you do. How many different ways does Oblivion's main quest end..?

You may not have heard of it (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 8 years ago | (#15236316)

We finally had an RPG released, the first in quite a while. You may not have heard of it, it's called Oblivion.

Not that popular. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233200)

Its not on Windows or OSX. If they wanted to have a larger audience, wheres the port.

Errr... (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233228)

I have no urge whatsoever to play it.

Re:Errr... (1)

Yusaku Godai (546058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233795)

Agreed. I can quite easily resist the "magic," if you want to call it that (I call it "heresy") of Disney and Square together.

Marketing (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233250)

1) It's a sequel from Square/Enix and Disney, two well known brands

2) The actual gameplay of the game and the level design received hardly any coverage prior to release

3) Most fans pre-ordered to make sure they received a copy, not knowing what the game was like

4) EB and other stores received bonus gifts for employees if they sold enough KH2 strategy guides and games

5) The game appeals to many, Pirates of the Caribbean, Tron, and many other popular franchises are featured in the game. Every level is an advertisement, but also relates to something that even one who hasn't played the game may already be familiar with. They may just want to live out their Tron fantasies, or see such a world realized in a video game, even if they have no idea how such a game would play. Movie-to-games sell well for this reason.

Re:Marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233901)

to bad the tron world was exactly the same as the Movie except you replace all of Jeff Bridges parts with Sora, Donald & Goofy.

I was REALLY looking forward to the Tron world, then when I get there...everything that made the movie great is basically an after thought here.

If the MCP wasn't connected tot he towns defence the world could be skipped entierly...hell half the worlds in the game could be skipped as they served next to no perpouse.

Even the ones as fanservice sucked (see Tron), Pirates of the Caribbean was ok but it wasn't untill the second visit that it became part of the story, otherwise it was just the movie again just replace Will & Jack with Sora, Donald & Goofy, Sure they were there but they weren't the focus of the world.

Every world you went to except a few just replaced the original main character with Sora, Donald & Goofy as the main character of the world, This is what took 3 years to do, They changed very little of the engine and just changed a couple of world, made sora donald & goofy the leads of each world and they were done with it.

actually that does sound like what Disney does with their "Sequals" to movies, so I guess it shouldn't be a suprise.

Re:Marketing (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15234963)

They may just want to live out their Tron fantasies, or see such a world realized in a video game, even if they have no idea how such a game would play.

Well, Tron 2.0 played pretty well.

Re:Marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15253248)

Well, Tron 2.0 played pretty well.

Yeah but unless KH2 rips off the gameplay from Tron 2.0, nobody would know how it would play.

Childhood Dreams, Bought And Paid For (5, Funny)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233258)

It's popular because the Walt Disney Corperation has a monopoly on childhood happiness. The hopes, dreams, fond memories of your most cherished time were all provided from the sterile bosom of a soulless incorperated fantasy factory. Your aspirations, your comforts, the very roots of your being were all, almost without exception provided in the form of a one size fits all childhood, carefully scripted by that organisation.

This game is simply another act, shamelessly tacked onto the prostituted play that is your emotional life. You love Kingdom Hearts because it is Disney, and without Disney, you know no other happiness. Outside the warm succor of your donald duck duvet and mickey mouse pyjamas, joy, contentment and love are cold and distant concepts which you cannot hope to achieve alone.

So come! Gather once again to suckle and the great and monsterous teat of one of the most terrible enterprises to have ever existed. Let Kingdom Hearts II once again show you the pleasures of being a shallow false happiness junkie. All the while Mother Disney will smile with her sweet and duplicitious grin.

Re:Childhood Dreams, Bought And Paid For (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233380)

That's too true to be funny. It really bothers me that Disney tries to infiltrate its characters everywhere and anywhere — but not as much as the fact that people seem to welcome that infiltration. In the process, everything gets blanded to death.

Like many office buildings, the one in which I work gives its conference rooms names with a common theme. In this particular building, the theme is Disneyland Attractions, and the biggest conference room is name "Mickey's Toontown." Now, when Gary Wolf invented Toontown in his fantasy-noir Who Censored Roger Rabitt? [wikipedia.org] , it was a nasty slum where the despised "toons" lived. Once Disney got ahold of it, Toontown got rebranded as a corny, soulless, and meaningless place [allearsnet.com] .

I didn't actually care for Wolf's book, but I'm still depressed every time I walk past that conference room at another reminder of Disney's ability to suck the life out of everything they touch.

So have you heard? (1)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 8 years ago | (#15234372)

Disney bought the Winnie-the-Pooh franchise, and decided to kill Christopher Robin.
Thats right: They're replacing him with a girl! [bbc.co.uk]

Disney is evil, and this is just incontrovertible proof. If they get Pixar to do a film with the girl, Pixar is evil, too.

Re:So have you heard? (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15238562)

Actually, nowadays Pixar and the animation division of Disney are pretty much the same thing. In any case, they didn't need to kill off CR in order to make their adaptations of WtP evil. I'm old enough to remember when they first got their mitts on this "franchise" and I only needed a couple of TV commercials to know that I'd hate it for corning up the books. I've carefully avoided the Disney version of WtP ever since.

Back to Pixar: I've only seen one of their movies, A Bug's Life. It wasn't bad, but it totally used up my capacity for cutsy 3D animated talking animals — and that's all Pixar seems to do.

Re:So have you heard? (1)

why-is-it (318134) | more than 8 years ago | (#15238871)

Back to Pixar: I've only seen one of their movies, A Bug's Life. It wasn't bad, but it totally used up my capacity for cutsy 3D animated talking animals -- and that's all Pixar seems to do.

Have you seen The Incredibles"? Of the Pixar movies I have seen, it was clearly the best. It's still a kid's movie, but there was plenty for me to enjoy too.

Re:Childhood Dreams, Bought And Paid For (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233591)

Someone is a little bitter. Mad at your parents for trying to fill your head with values? Someone get this 40 year old computer engineer a drink or a girlfriend. Also must be a lot of pent up anger being an aging virgin.

Sonny Bono owns you (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15234243)

AC wrote: "Someone is a little bitter."

I am bitter. Repeal this [wikipedia.org] and I'll start buying Disney products again.

Disney and Copyright Law (1)

Garrett Fox (970174) | more than 8 years ago | (#15240895)

The Disney-led modifications to American copyright law go farther than just extending the term to life + 70 years. The 1976 (c) act also made copyright automatic, without registration or renewal, and this change may be more harmful than the extension itself. (See eg. Diebold's attempt to suppress key memos via copyright [wikipedia.org] .) Also worth noting is the fact that Disney makes proprietary works out of public domain ones, making it harder for new authors to tell a story about Alice in Wonderland or the Little Mermaid without fear of a lawsuit.

You Got (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233265)

You Got Disney in My Squineex!
You got Squineex in my Disney!

Yumm! Together they taste great!

So many arguments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233272)

for all the wrong theories? Disney fanatics would want to angle the popularity in favour of Disney, of course.

I'm sure I'm all alone about wanting to play a quality game once in a while, just for the fun of it.

You have to love Slashdot users (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233361)

Most of the replies here are trying to work out some conspiracy theory or Grand Unified Theory of Marketing to answer why it's so popular.

Anyone stopped to think that maybe Kingdom Hearts was just a lot of fun to play?

Re:You have to love Slashdot users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233523)

Anyone who's actually played it will know the answer - no, Kingdom Hearts II isn't any fun to play. I can create a long laundry-list of reasons, but let's start simply dodging attacks. You can't.

Until you've leveled up the end-game forms high enough to obtain dodge moves. Then you can.

The gameplay consists basically of spamming the Attack button through a room until the next cutscene appears. You're on rails to an almost ridiculous extent - you'll be disallowed to go through wide open doors because "this doesn't feel right". Not to mention that the main character, who carries a weapon that can "unlock any lock", can't unlock locked doors. "It's locked" - hmm, maybe you should use the GIANT FUCKING KEY you carry around to fix that?! The one that can unlock any lock through magic?!!

Plus there's the three hour opening sequence involving some guy called Roxas. After completeing it, you never see Roxas again.

Anyone who's been suckered into playing it should be well aware that the game doesn't live up to it's popularity.

Re:You have to love Slashdot users (1)

TRACK-YOUR-POSITION (553878) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233612)

I purchased the original KH, I loved the graphics and I really want to explore all the Disney worlds--but, by the time I got to that Tarzan level, I just got sick of wandering around lost in the forest with a camera system that made various jumping puzzles really annoying. Maybe KHII is different, but I'd just like to report at least one sale of of KH was not in fact due to it being fun to play. It was fun to watch. Not fun to play.

Tron (4, Funny)

writermike (57327) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233502)

My theory is that people are sincerely starved for anything Tron. They just can't help themselves.

Re:Tron (1)

wbav (223901) | more than 8 years ago | (#15236419)

Personally, I've waited for this game for a couple of years. I know, Disney charcters, what could I be thinking? Well, I got hooked on the first game (I didn't know Disney produced the game until I was deep into it).

When I saw the worlds of the sequal, I wanted to try them all out (with the exception of the Little Mermaid world, what's worse they sing in this game) but riding a light cycle and battling the MPC were both entertaining.

Additonally, rather than just playing in the world, you interact with the stories of your childhood (and help them along).

Really, Tron just sweetened the deal.

Its fun! Thats why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15233547)

My girlfriend and I both enjoyed the first Kingdom Hearts, so the 2nd one was a no brainer. She is playing through it now, but I will get to it over the summer. The appeal of the game lies in the easy to learn gameplay and memorable characters. I like all different types of RPGs (Western and JRPG) but the first game was a fun experience... something that wasn't always the case with FFX which felt like a chore.

The power of love and hate (1)

Crysalim (936188) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233680)

To answer the question as simply as possible...

Everyone can relate to love and hate. Someone above also put it very well in saying that there's something for everyone in this game.

In addition to that, this game is being judged with great intensity... only games that have the power to incite this kind of adoration (or in the case of a few people, loathing) are truly timeless.

Being able to get through the game by mashing X? I call it the "Street Fighter effect" - you certainly could do this if you wanted to and still progress through the game, but you will do it with greater difficulty and much less style than anyone else will. This is also not to mention the complete inability to even touch Sephiroth with mashing (in any difficulty).

The story of Kingdom Hearts 2 is magnificent, the gameplay is top notch, and there's even a completely seperate game inside of itself (the Gummi Ship shooter stages). This is all done despite how amazing the first game was, and how incredibly difficult it was to improve upon!

This, Nomura's masterpiece franchise, will indeed go down in history.

Re:The power of love and hate (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15235009)

Being able to get through the game by mashing X? I call it the "Street Fighter effect"

Try that on a recent iteration of SF.

I liked Square, I really did... (1)

C0llegeSTUDent (876813) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233694)

Square has been going down the shitter for a while now, and most people who have played the older games realize this. By utilizing Disney characters in their games, however, Square has reached an all time low (yes, I know there was also KH1). When I see Micky Mouse/Goofy/Donald Duck/etc I think to myself, "There are those annoying piece of shit mascots on the 'come to disneyland!' commercials," not, "Those are some unique characters that I can relate to on one level or another through an RPG storyline enough to play it through 20+ hours."

At this point in the game, SquareEnix is simply selling its previous good karma it had from making some of the older classics (FF, Chrono Trigger, even FFOnline). Lucky for me, I have no time anyways to play games right now because of finals, so I won't be tempted to try this bastardization of a game.

It don't need to be perfect (1)

Goldrush (888847) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233737)

I admit, I'm a Disney fanatic. I'm sure the 90s produced more than a few of us. It's so rare to find a Disney game that's not borderline unplayable. Kingdom Hearts has its fault, but I'm willing to ignore some just so I get a chance to play with some of my favorite characters.

Why is it popular? (1)

JLSigman (699615) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233806)

Because it's FUN. Wonderful, sweet, funny, uplifting fun. Something that the market tends to lack 99% of the time.

In a Nutshell... (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15233975)

1) It's a sequel to Kingdom Hearts that took years to come out. So that gives you those who liked the original.
2) Square Fanboys + Disney Fans adds some more to #1
3) OMGMINIGAMEZ!!! For the ADD crowd (disappointing to at least 1 member of group #1)

It's all in the name. (1)

dohzer (867770) | more than 8 years ago | (#15234067)

Put "heart" in the title of any game and it will sell.
Look at the kind of music that sells. It's all "I love" this and "lady lumps" that.

Re:It's all in the name. (1)

ral8158 (947954) | more than 8 years ago | (#15234255)

Way to make a pointless post that has NOTHING to do with the game, and probably isn't true, while dissing an awesome musical group just because 11 year old girls like to listen to their music. The Black Eyed Peas didn't even *want* to release My Humps as a single, they just wanted it to be a filler-ish song. It's not nearly one of their best productions, and it isn't supposed to be. Now, if you looked past Monkey Business' fluffy pop outside (Don't Phunk With My Heart, My Humps, etc.), you'd see the true hits, which look back to a time where hip-hop wasn't about violence. Like That features artists with history, like Johnny Legend, Cee-Lo, and Q-Tip. Bebot is done entirely in tagalog. Feel It is a rare jewel, and Union floats the usual anti-war positive vibes, and it features *Sting*, okay? Please don't judge a group just because their latest run-away hit is completely trashy. And now I'm done with that surprisingly odd tangent.

Re:It's all in the name. (1)

dohzer (867770) | more than 8 years ago | (#15235227)

First of all, my comment was a joke on the general state of both the gaming and music industries in general, and not a direct attack on the BEP.
Secondly, speaking from the point of view of someone who saw them live a few years ago, I'll admit that the BEP are fairly good. I guess any group that releases the same album 4 times with different names and lyrics can become popular.

The PS2 is so last Gen (1)

aka_big_wurm (757512) | more than 8 years ago | (#15236289)

I dont get why KH2 is doing so well, guess there are so many PS2's out there people have to buy something. My PS2 has not been hooked up for a long time now. Too be honest it hurts my eyes to play PS2 games.

KH2: Not a Good Game (1)

EggmaniMN (950700) | more than 8 years ago | (#15241131)

I really do wonder how people love it so much. Let's go over this. Graphics: Graphically, the game is only so-so. In actual cinema, the game is beautiful. Gorgeous even. Outside of that, characters' mouths move like robots, hands are made of four giant polygons and textures are bland. Sound: Shimomura's done some great work. This isn't part of that. Low quality resamplings of Disney songs are not fun for everyone. Atlantica has one of the worst songs in gaming history. Voice acting is good and some places and godawful in others. Aeris and Cloud are particularly bad. Story: Bland and short overall. Making something question what "me" means is not good story. It does nothing. I spent 30 hours reliving a bunch of Disney scenes that acted as fluff and did absolutely zero to further character development, mostly because you can't develop Disney characters. So in the end, you get a bunch of bad guys with absolutely zero motivation for anything (oh man, we're NOBODIES LET'S FIGHT) and they die and nothing is said about them. Who cares? They don't have hearts. The endings do nothing to make up for any of it. Gameplay: I played through the game on the default difficulty and I never died once. I just jumped at enemies and mashed either x or triangle until they were dead. Later on, I didn't even have to move towards the enemies because they give you skills that do this for you. Oh boy! The camera still goes extremely erratic and is very touchy if you so much as twitch the right stick down or up. Drive forms quickly become overpowered and Limits mean you don't take any damage at all while the bosses/enemies take a ton. Of course, this only affects 5 hours of the actual game because that's all you really play. You usually spend your time fighting 6 enemies and then walking into the next room and listening to 10 minutes of cutscenes. Then you walk out of that room for more cutscenes. Then you fight and then you watch more cutscenes. People call Xenosaga bad on cutscenes? KH2 beats it by a LOT in terms of sheer talking and very little of it is actually relevant to the main story. The reaction commands in the game aren't even that cool. Just like in God of War, they're good the first two times but then you realize that it's the exact same scripted attack as the last one and it becomes no different than mashing x, except the triangle commands do a TON of damage. So yeah, you guys tell me, why is this game good? I'm really not seeing it. I spent $8 and 40 hours getting through it and what I got out of it was a generic action-rpg with a bunch of characters I didn't care about and a bunch of bad guys with zero personality. Got it memorized? Ugh. Axel's the only one out of the entire group that gets some sort of development and he just ends up bland and lifeless like the rest of them. OH man...you...make me feel like I have a heart. So why did he do anything? I dunno. He never said and there's no clue left to think about to figure that out. I'd have given the game a 6 at the most.

Re:KH2: Not a Good Game (1)

EggmaniMN (950700) | more than 8 years ago | (#15241139)

Please excuse the giant paragraph. I'm really tired but I was at least able to get all that out.
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