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Will OSX Build In Torrenting?

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the imagine-that-itunes-catalog dept.

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Cjattwood writes "Mac OS rumors has an article describing a possible implementation of a Bittorrent client into Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard", including a unique sharing reward system where the user can share bandwidth and get rewards, such as credit in the iTunes store."

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BitTorrent still has a better incentive scheme (4, Funny)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239100)

You upload a little and you get infinite download credit for whatever movie you want. Sometimes even before it's out in the stores!

Re:BitTorrent still has a better incentive scheme (1, Funny)

Geekboy(Wizard) (87906) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239111)

Spaceballs: The Movie

Re:BitTorrent still has a better incentive scheme (1)

josephdrivein (924831) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239135)

Sounds nice if you have a flat T1/fiber optic connection...

Re:BitTorrent still has a better incentive scheme (1)

SB_SamuraiSam (962776) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239148)

So we get free music for being good torrenters... oh wait. Free, LEGAL music?!

Re:BitTorrent still has a better incentive scheme (1)

hector_uk (882132) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239189)

mac OS rumors is basically bullshit, they have never been right, ever. you get better information on macs from microsoft.com

Re:BitTorrent still has a better incentive scheme (3, Funny)

LordOfTheNoobs (949080) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239525)

... you get better information on macs from microsoft.com
So the Mac really does cause rectal bleeding for 94% of users? ( informal internet poll of one non-Mac user, margin of error +-94% )

Re:BitTorrent still has a better incentive scheme (2, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239267)

It's a great idea. It's a real shame, a real shame, that there's no way of, say, building this in to iTunes, the thing they're trying to speed up, a quasi-independent application that runs on a variety of different Mac OS X versions. I mean, I can understand how they need to build this in to the operating system, it's such a... low level protocol and everything, and it would add so much bloat, yeah, bloat to iTunes to build it in.

(Yes, I think the article is bullshit. There's absolutely no reason for Apple to do this. No reason whatsoever. I can see them building it in to iTunes, but into the operating system? Why?)

Re:BitTorrent still has a better incentive scheme (2, Insightful)

tinkerghost (944862) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239408)

How much do they spend on bandwidth every time they push out a patch? I bet it's more than they will be issuing in credit.
When logic fails, check the $$

Re:BitTorrent still has a better incentive scheme (1)

'nother poster (700681) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239509)

The $$ should BE part of the logic.

Re:BitTorrent still has a better incentive scheme (1)

tinkerghost (944862) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239639)

I've noticed logic & $$ have very little to do with each other.... just look at Japanese gameshows.
Or wave a $100 bill around and see what is the most outragious thing someone will do to get it.

frist pist? (0, Offtopic)

Asshat_Nazi (946431) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239102)

well suck me sideways...

Re:frist pist? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239150)

No.

You got pwnet.

You sad fuck.

His was funnier than yours was too.

wow... (4, Funny)

sxtxixtxcxh (757736) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239107)

imagine getting credit for itunes music for torrenting itunes music... what fun.

DRM? (0, Redundant)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239110)

just curious, I can't imagine that they would let you offer the pirated music and movies and then get itunes credit for it...

Re:DRM? (5, Informative)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239130)

RTFA. Traffic would occur on non-standard ports and you wouldn't be able to share anything you wanted. You would donate your bandwidth to share content Apple approved like software updates. It makes perfect sense and I'd certianly donate my bandwith at home when I'm at work in exchange for iTunes credits.

Only Apple Approved content ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239412)

No thanks!

It's not really bittorent if wealthy California companies dictate the content, is it?

Re:Only Apple Approved content ??? (1)

MORTAR_COMBAT! (589963) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239549)

You seem to have no distinction between technology and use. BitTorrent is a technology. Using it for copyright infringement is a use of that technology.

Re:DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239462)

There are no ``standard'' bittorrent ports. If Apple picks, say, port 50120, I will immedately change my firewall to forward that port to my bittorrent clients.

Re:DRM? (1)

LordOfTheNoobs (949080) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239546)

In other news, Microsoft is accused of mass torrent poisoning of MAC OS X patch system...

Re:DRM? (2, Interesting)

Distinguished Hero (618385) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239142)

The rumor goes that they will give you credit for uploading their software updates to other people (thereby reducing their bandwith bills); they won't offer you anything for uploading anything else...

Re:DRM? (3, Insightful)

MrNougat (927651) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239143)

Perhaps they intend to make torrents a legitimate method of delivery of purchased iTunes songs. So, you purchase an iTunes song, seed it as an 'iTunes torrent.' Then you get some amount of credit for more iTunes songs. Someone else who buys the first song you bought downloads it as a torrent from you (and others).

It's a way for Apple to expand their ability to deliver content without having to drastically upgrade their own network infrastructure. You get a little iTunes store credit for being part of the delivery system.

Re:DRM? (1)

stinerman (812158) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239223)

It can easily be done. Many private tracker sites require a login and track user U/D ratios. Perhaps Jobs can give a call over to the admin at the empornium [empornium.us] to see how he does it ... or perhaps he already has an account and could just post on the forums ;-)

Re:DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239162)

I would imagine it would be a system run on their patches - you download a patch from Software Update, keep it on upload, and if you help ease their cost on the Akamai network, they reward you with iTunes credit.

Re:DRM? (4, Informative)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239230)

DRM? just curious, I can't imagine that they would let you offer the pirated music and movies and then get itunes credit for it...

I think you're confusing the term upload. They aren't talking about you uploading some data you have to get credit to download other data. They are talking about you authorizing Apple to use your machine as a node in a bit torrent network that distributes data of their choice. Thus you click "yes" and they use your spare upload bandwidth to more cheaply and quickly send software updates, podcasts, iTunes downloads, etc. to other computers. The data is all encrypted and chunked so it is not useful to you at all, even though it is on your hard drive. In excahnge, they give a free itunes song or something every month or year or something.

You win, because you weren't using all your hard drive and bandwidth anyway (and presumably it gives your data precedence). Apple wins because they no longer have to pay as much to distribute iTunes data and software updates. Theoretically, they could even expand this to third party software, cheaply distributing up to date version of any software companies want to give Apple a copy of. Hopefully it would be tied to a full service to keep all your programs updated.

The risks are legally, Apple might have copyright challenges to copying little chinks of encrypted music, even if it is unusable, and the security risk of people masquerading as valid nodes to disrupt the network or try to inject fake data (unlikely unless the implementation is very weak).

And who loses? (1)

eMartin (210973) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239603)

"You win, because you weren't using all your hard drive and bandwidth anyway (and presumably it gives your data precedence). Apple wins because they no longer have to pay as much to distribute iTunes data and software updates."

Who do you think ends up paying for the bandwidth?

Your ISP doesn't expect everyone to fully saturate their given bandwidth. If they did, they would probably charge more. Do you think Google would offer as much space for Gmail if they thought everyone would use all that is given to them?

So what happens when this gets off the ground and everyone starts using all available bandwidth?

Oh wait. We're talking just Mac users here...

Nevermind.

Re:DRM? (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239552)

I'm hoping this torrent technology is used for downloading podcasts. Currently, the Apple Store does not host the podcasts it's listing but links to their direct download links instead, which can kill their servers.

More importantly (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239119)

Will it be built into OSX_x86_YHBT?

When one runs out of feline names! (1, Offtopic)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239121)

When will we see codename "Kitty"
or OS X "Domestic Cat"
or even OS X "OMGmewmewmew"

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (0)

bmac83 (869058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239169)

Maybe we should change Taco's Slashdot makeover contest [slashdot.org] to a challenge to create the coolest "OMG!!! KITTIES!!!" theme for the Apple section. :)

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (0)

dvdsmith (892766) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239171)

or OS X "Domestic Cat"

So I guess instead of tarballs, we could have furballs.

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;]

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239303)

So I guess instead of tarballs, we could have furballs.

And have the network cough them up for you. Sorry about the carpet.

KFG

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (0)

foos_guy (847501) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239177)

That's ok, if they run out of feline names, they can always follow /.'s scheme... OSX:Ponies...

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (1, Funny)

Ryan Amos (16972) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239190)

I'm waiting for OS X "Cheetarah."

Rowr.

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (1, Funny)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239281)

What about OS X "Liger".

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (2, Funny)

BorgCopyeditor (590345) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239464)

What about OS X "Liger"?

It's pretty much my favorite operating system.

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (2, Funny)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239248)

I've seen the OS X roadmap - and just before they run out of names, they merge with Ubuntu for release 10.04 'plentiful pussy' (the most beautiful release) :-D

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (1)

kzinti (9651) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239330)

How about OS X 10.007 "Pussy Galore"?

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (2, Funny)

Phat_Tony (661117) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239327)

I've been referring to the next upcoming release as "American Shorthair" ever since 10.1.

You forgot the best realease... (1)

copponex (13876) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239355)

OS X: Pussy

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (2, Funny)

antibryce (124264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239375)

OS X "Masturbation Casualty" [wikipedia.org]

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (2, Funny)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239380)

Um, I'm gonna go with the perenially posted "OS 10.9.6 Liger" - Breed for its skills in stability and GUI magic.

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239545)

Well there are others, such as: Sabre Tooth and uh 'Hello Kitty' for the pink version :)

Re:When one runs out of feline names! (1)

fritzk3 (883083) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239626)

No... the pink version is "OSX! Ponies!!11!" C'mon, everyone knows that!

Nahhh (-1, Offtopic)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239139)

Apple would never do this because of all of the BAD uses for it and by bad I mean illegal. Think what you want, but Bit Torrent gets labels a tool of pirates....regardless of the fact that you can use it for:

1. Legal downloads of content.
2. Legal downloads of Linux/BSD CD's.

I don't care how many good uses there are, Bit Torrent will always be labeled as a piracy tool.

Re:Nahhh (5, Insightful)

nuzak (959558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239167)

> I don't care how many good uses there are, Bit Torrent will always be labeled as a piracy tool.

The name, sure. Otherwise ... it's just a goddamn protocol. WoW uses it for updates, and it's catching on elsewhere. They just won't call it BitTorrent, and it might not even be perfectly compatible. Just call it an "exchange-interlocked pareto-efficiency protocol" or something.

Man, every time RFID or the BT protocol comes up, slashdot gets its collective panties in a wad.

Re:Nahhh (1)

GoodbyeBlueSky1 (176887) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239235)

Just call it an "exchange-interlocked pareto-efficiency protocol" or something.

From the company that brought you the AirPort(TM)? I think not. Maybe "iGetFiles"?

Re:Nahhh (1)

955301 (209856) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239471)


I know I speak for most of us when I ask you, Sir, what are these "panties" things you speak of?

Re:Nahhh (1)

eshefer (12336) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239589)

he mean knickers.

Re:Nahhh (3, Funny)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239168)

2. Legal downloads of Linux/BSD CD's.

Somehow I have never seen this as Job's first priority on the list of things to make easy in OS X.

Re:Nahhh (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239400)

Dude, you just shelled out a few thousand dollars for his computer. You can install AmigaOS for all he's gonna care. That's why Apple didn't do registration for Panther or Tiger on PPC, because the real money was in the computer you bought in the first place.

Re:Nahhh (2, Insightful)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239194)

Except Apple is the one that dictates what it is you'll be sharing. You're simply donating some disk space on your computer and bandwidth. The traffic will also occur on non-standard bit torrent ports so admins can tell the difference between the Apple feature and standard bit torrent traffic.

Re:Nahhh (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239359)

The traffic will also occur on non-standard bit torrent ports so admins can tell the difference between the Apple feature and standard bit torrent traffic.

What do you consider a "non-standard bit torrent port?" Most modern clients, the first time you run them, open a config dialog that asks you what port you want to use... I'd think that this makes all 65536 ports pretty "standard" for bit torrent.

More likely, any apple torrents would be signed somehow, making it easy to identify Apple torrent packets. Of course, with the upcoming balkanization of the internet, this might not be a good idea.

The other thing is that this feature probably won't implement carte-blanche torrenting... expect it to work on intranets and with the Apple iTMS feature length movie torrents (requiring your iTMS key and the iTMS central key in order to use it). This way, they could sell full length films on iTMS, and offload the bandwidth requirements onto the internet as a whole (while making the content unplayable if you don't have a key).

Re:Nahhh (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239214)

I don't care how many good uses there are, Bit Torrent will always be labeled as a piracy tool.

You mean, like the Internet?

Re:Nahhh (3, Insightful)

rhesuspieces00 (804354) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239242)

People said the same thing about CD burners.

Movie Store Distribution System (4, Interesting)

richdun (672214) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239147)

Credit for torrenting? Why would Apple give away iTunes music just for people to run torrents? Well, maybe because those torrents will serve up iTunes movies. Dedicated bandwidth has been the greatest obstacle to getting a full iTunes HD movie store (well, that and the movie companies' agreement, but if the tech is there and economical, the content will follow).

Re:Movie Store Distribution System (3, Interesting)

rovingeyes (575063) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239319)

"...but if the tech is there and economical, the content will follow..."

I wonder how AT&T and Verizon will try to extort money for this to happen. Are they gonna track ITunes bittorrent traffic and charge Apple for it? If they can demand money from Google, Amazon etc for their content, which is incedentally less amount of data (per request probably megs at max) than a HD movie (gigs of data per request), I don't see why these cartels wouldn't eye Apple as their next target.

Re:Movie Store Distribution System (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239368)

That would get ISP panties in a twist like nothing you've ever seen, and we don't want them to freak out, that would be bad not only for me, but for society as a whole, IMO. ("tier'd interenet" and all that).

Precursor for iT-Movie-S (4, Insightful)

doormat (63648) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239151)

I can see Apple doing this for movies since they're so large size-wise. I wouldn't mind using half of my upstream to earn credit at the store. Good way to defray the cost of my internet bill - and since I'm on a comercial account my ISP doesnt say anything about me using a lot of bandwidth.

-1 Redundant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239288)

"So large size-wise"?

Re:Precursor for iT-Movie-S (2, Insightful)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239447)

Yes, but when 5% of its customers start maxing out your bandwidth regularly on a home line, the ISPs are gonna say something, either to you or Apple.

Hard to believe (2, Insightful)

scrow (620374) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239153)

I don't think that the legitamate uses of BitTorrent come close to equaling the bandwidth wasted on downloading pr0n, music and the latest blockbuster movies. So why would Apple build this into thier OS? Will it help legitimize BitTorrent? I doubt it. It would be interesting to see them distribute updates via bittorrent though.

Translation: (4, Interesting)

Avillia (871800) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239160)

Help us take our hosting cost and we'll help you negate that bill you pay for 30 tasty megabytes of fiber... Yesss...

Personally, this is the best implementation of the BitTorrent technology yet.

$eeding.

Interesting, but... (3, Interesting)

Penguin Programmer (241752) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239176)

This sounds like a great thing, since it would make BitTorrent more available for non-techie users and add another vote to the legitimacy of BT.

However, if there's a crediting system, does that mean that Apple is watching your BT usage? If I'm not mistaken, Apple has some interest as a content producer and may not like what they see BT being used for. Is this going to be yet another organization watching what people transfer and ratting them out to the RIAA/MPAA/CIA, or will they be Not Evil (tm) and keep their noses out of people's business?

Re:Interesting, but... (1)

hownowbrowncow (971284) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239308)

If they keep their torrenting system seperate from whatever other legal/illegal torrent systems you run (using a different port, yada yada), I don't think they need to monitor beyond their iTunes and update stuff.

I doubt they will want to let people share pr0n off their torrent network. iPr0n, the underground Apple flavored pr0n network.

Re:Interesting, but... (1)

tktk (540564) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239324)

I would assume that to get credit, Apple would have to know what you're uploading. And you'd probably get credit only for Apple-approved files, not everything you seed, and only to people who legitimately bought the files.

For example, if in a year or so, you're seeding Xmen 3 from iTunes Movie, you'd only upload to people who bought the movie. In terms of RIAA/MPAA/CIA, it should (I know, I'm dreaming) be legal for you to do. Anything else you seed would be worthless in terms of credit.

And if Apple does the stupid move of monitoring all your uploads, then I'm sure some enterprising hacker will find a way around it. Also, I don't think there is any way to stop you from using some other p2p program.

Use the tracker, Luke (1)

Null Nihils (965047) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239421)

I suspect to credit people for uploading content for them, Apple would set up their own official BitTorrent tracker(s), which would also probably enforce some sort of DRM (possibly in the same vein as those trackers that require you to log in before they will connect you to other peers.)

Groan. (2, Interesting)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239191)

TFA seems slashdotted already, but given the name of the site I can only take this with an extremely large grain of salt.

Beyond that, it's an interesting concept, but one that could seriously botch up torrenting as it is. Bittorrent works so well (with both legal and shady source material) because every user gets the combined benefit of getting what they want, and helping thers who want the same thing to get it. At the very most, a big ratio gets you get bragging rights on some tracker site. My inner folk-song-singing hippie cringes at what result throwing monetary things like iTunes credit into the mix would have.

I sure hope they do. (0, Flamebait)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239208)

When a company like Apple implements legal P2P file sharing we'll have many more non-techies being able to make the distinction between P2P and illegal sharing. It will be more difficult to legiferate against P2P systems after this, hopefully.

BTW, what will they call this flavour of "peer to peer"? "apple to apple"? :)

Want to share updates (4, Interesting)

TeamSPAM (166583) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239209)

If we can share the software updates between macs, it would be a good thing. With 3 macs in my house, why should I have to download the updates 3 times? I should be able to get a copy from the mac on my local net that downloaded it first. I just hope they allow the torrent client to have a throttle on it.

Re:Want to share updates (3, Informative)

MachineShedFred (621896) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239291)

You can already do this.

In Software Update, under the "update" menu, select either "Download Only" or "Install and Keep Package"

You will then find the packages at /Library/Receipts and can copy them to other Macs.

Cheers.

Re:Want to share updates (1)

Pray_4_Mojo (13485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239514)

You can share updates. I believe there's a "Download and Archive" feature that will download the software update and KEEP it (as oppose to the regular old download, run, install receipt, delete).
Then you can transfer the file from one mac to another via FTP, AFS, or Web Sharing, or any other method you've set up on your network (SMB, perhaps?).

HTH,
Chris

P2P built into iTunes (the app) makes sense (4, Insightful)

joeykiller (119489) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239247)

I don't know if P2P built into the OS makes any sense, but certainly it makes sense to build it into iTunes (the application). Some people have claimed that Apple's margin on iTunes content is razor thin. I don't know whether that's true or not, but I certainly know that bandwidth -- when you want the best possible access to your customers, no matter where they are -- doesn't come cheap.

So adding P2P to iTunes could be one area where Apple could improve their margins. I guess the credit system would be a way to secure that people actually kept on sharing their files after they were downloaded/bought from iTunes (the store).

It's an interesting idea (if it's true).

DRM would make it impossible (1)

hsoft (742011) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239345)

I am producing this comment out of uncertainty, but I think that downloading iTunes songs via torrent would be impossible because, unless I am mistaken, every DRMed song is different because the protection scheme is bound to the iTunes account. Am I right?

Building things in the OS bad (0, Troll)

drachenstern (160456) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239255)

Or at least, that's what the rest of the industry keeps trying to tell MS. So if it's Apple doing it, it's okay?

This is getting to be a bad cycle, but at least they're using a well established service instead of trying to get a lot of people to establish their service for them. Hmmm.

And so what does **AA think about this? Apple -> it must be A Good Thing(TM)
But when MS announces that Vista will have the same feature? Evil(TM)

Re:Building things in the OS bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239444)

Or at least, that's what the rest of the industry keeps trying to tell MS. So if it's Apple doing it, it's okay?

Are you stupid, or just trolling? Because as far as I can see, those are the only two options.

MICROSOFT IS A MONOPOLY. APPLE ARE NOT A MONOPOLY.

How can these two simple facts continually elude anybody with an IQ greater than 80 (i.e. a non-retard)? Your UID shows you aren't new to Slashdot, and you are certainly aware of the lawsuits, so you aren't ignorant. So that leaves stupid or trolling. Which is it?

Re:Building things in the OS bad (2, Informative)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239467)

No, abusing your monopoly is bad.

If MS did not abuse their monopoly, then no problems would have occurred and no one would have complained.

What MS did, specifically, was to extort Compaq by threatening to withhold OS licenses if they shipped systems with Netscape Navigator as the default and on the desktop.

In other words, if Apple threatened Best Buy and Walmart into stopping sales of competitive MP3 players, or PCs, with their iPod dominance then Apple would be in the same boat.

They don't, so they aren't.

Re:Building things in the OS bad (1)

retsofaj (40630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239551)

I would argue that the difference is in how opaque the integration is. The interfaces to WebCore (or is it WebKit?) and other Apple-provided frameworks are well-defined and in known locations. There is nothing preventing someone from (for example) writing a facade for Gecko and changing html rendering throughout the system. I don't believe (but don't know) whether that would be possible in Windows.

Re:Building things in the OS bad (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239612)

It's WebKit, and yes, that's possible. You can also replace the Finder if you want (I have, with Pathfinder), and the Dock, and probably anything else outside the kernel if you know what you're doing.

Re:Building things in the OS bad (1)

Pray_4_Mojo (13485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239574)

Who says they'll build it into the OS? Did they build Safari into the OS, or did they create a web-browser framework called WebKit?

Aside from the fact that these are only rumors at this point, with no confirmed feature set for OS 10.5 except a newer version of Boot Camp, what's to stop them from building a TorrentKit, that's usable to create torrent-enabled applications for 3rd party developers just like WebKit?

Not every, dare I say, most, of the features touted by Apple's OS upgrades are not built into the OS. iChat isn't AV was not -- its an application. Safari is also an application. You are right that there are instances of OS features, i.e. Spotlight, Dashboard, Rosetta, and Expose, but many features/bug fixes that come with their OS upgrades are also done at the application level (Front Row, PictureBooth).

Re:Building things in the OS bad (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239610)

Or at least, that's what the rest of the industry keeps trying to tell MS. So if it's Apple doing it, it's okay?

1.) Apple isn't a monopoly.
2.) It's not like there's a commercial market for torrent clients or anything that will be threatened. Bittorrent is an open protocol.
3.) What the industry is telling Microsoft is that they can't leverage their monopoly to damage free choice. For instance, making IE default to MSN Search on all new installations, even though MSN Search only has 11% of the market and Google is #1.
4.) This won't be allowed to be used for illegal piracy anyway.

A good idea... (1)

BluhDeBluh (805090) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239263)

Why? Well, Apple are trying to get in the movie business, and the only efficient scalable way to distribute huge files is, frankly, P2P, and giving people incentives such as free credit is cheaper than providing the bandwidth themselves. It also partially legitimises P2P, which is considered a "bad thing". About time more companies caught onto it

Nice idea (1)

clicketyclicky (972095) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239387)

But it probably won't happen. Not anytime soon at least.

Makes no sense (3, Insightful)

paulxnuke (624084) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239399)

The name "torrent" would scare off the few IT managers willing to play with Apple: they wouldn't dare put anything that even suggests P2P on a company system (their VP may not know what a torrent is, but he's heard the name and thinks it's bad.)

If Apple distributes this and then some sleazy congressman manages to make it illegal, they'll have a big media (if not legal) problem and have to disable high profile system services.

If Apple distributes this, it will poison their relationship with the gangsters who control ITMS content (whether it has any bearing on song sharing or not.)

What possible use is it? Apple owns Akamai. Their updates download faster than just about anyone's. If they use a torrent system it _will_ be slower (end user upload speed), not faster, and someone will sooner or later figure out how to upload trojans in place of updates and really wreck their day.

If Apple wants to hurt themselves, it would be easier and cheaper to just start donating computers to Al Quaeda.

What does Apple need all that bandwidth for? (1)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239401)

"...including a unique sharing reward system where the user can share bandwidth and get rewards, such as credit in the iTunes store."

If Apple is really this desperate for bandwidth, could this be a sign that we'll finally see higher-bitrate content on iTunes?

Please. (5, Insightful)

Steve Cowan (525271) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239425)

Mac OS Rumors has a long history of being the most uninformed, random Mac rumor site in existence. Its predictions are rarely accurate, and when they are, they have generally been mentioned on another site first.

This is a fairly typical MOSR pipe dream.

Apple does not need my unreliable, low-speed bandwidth. They deliver 100+ MB software updates to thousands of users without blinking. Given that most of their iTMS downloads (music, movies, whatever) are from Windows users, they would see little gain by offering software update credits to Mac users. In fact, for their paltry savings on the cost of bandwidth, they would have an administrative nightmare to face.

I file this one under bullshit.

Re:Please. (3, Informative)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239497)

Totally concur. Here's another example of this guy smoking stuff:

From the MOSR front page: In the process of researching recent reports from sources regarding Apple's "Gamer's Dream" Macs now in the late stages of development, we uncovered information suggesting that Apple is testing an alternate version of the Gamer's MacBook which would employ an nVIDIA nForce chipset and dual GeForce 7800GTX Mobile GPU's. Memory bandwidth would be slightly less than that offered by the existing Intel chipset in today's MacBook Pro's, but graphics performance would be even higher than the ATi X1800/X1900 based dual-GPU laptop design we've spoken about previously.

Not only does he have no sources, he doesn't have much of a clue about economics or design either. So he's a faker and not a very good one.

I dunno (1)

sharpestmarble (875443) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239463)

FTA: Rewards would include[...]free airtime minutes for Apple's forthcoming "iPhone" and the like.
Free airtime? Last I heard, they were just going to be making the phone, not becoming a carrier. Motorola doesn't include the minutes, Verizon does.

Based on some rough math estimated for the proposal, the team pushing this concept believes they could cut Apple's bandwidth costs by hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars per year.
TFA makes it seem like the project is rather far along. Too far for them to still be working on 'rough math'. Also, millions of dollars per year? I know that Apple sends out a lot of content, but still, that's a lot of bandwidth.

[T]he system would also save terabytes of Internet backbone bandwidth that is now used for Software Updates, QuickTime Movie Trailers, and iTunes Store downloads among other things.
Internet backbone bandiwdth, yes. But again, terabytes?

Another thing: How would the client computer report to Apple that the data of X size was received intact?

Yes, I'm being tormented daily (1)

SlashSquatch (928150) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239466)

Trying to get X windows in OS X configured correctly. Whoops, misread the title.

Not good for me (1)

DarthChris (960471) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239474)

I live in halls of residence at the University of Manchester. As I work on the support team, I know that all P2P applications, inc. torrents, are blocked by the network packetteer. So if this feature does get put in, we'll get all sorts of complaints from users...

If M$ did this, you'd scream anticompetitive (0, Flamebait)

CFD339 (795926) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239495)

How is it that OSX gets the pass on this? I M$ built it into Windows Vista (and if it worked) you'd scream foul over anticompetitive bullying.

Re:If M$ did this, you'd scream for ice cream (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239619)

Why? Would Microsoft be using their market share to stop others from doing the same?

Or should we scream that you're being a generalist and drama-queen?

Take a deep breath already.

It's called "grid" distribution. (2, Interesting)

tentac1e (62936) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239500)

I'm working on a project for one of the megaconglomerates we all love to hate. It incorporates bittorrent style sharing, but all literature refers to it as "grid" downloading. Also, content is never downloaded to the user's computer-- it's "cached". But since downloads are so damned DRM'ed, I guess you can't consider it downloaded anyway.

Probably Infringes Patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239507)

I can't imagine they'd actually allow something like this to get released in a field well-known for significant patent filings. Sounds to me like they're setting themselves up to lose hundreds of millions in law suits in a couple of years.

Why Not Windows Has BITS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239511)

Windows has BITS

ISPs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239548)

Doesn't anyone else think that ISP's won't like this, and will view this as being a violation of the terms of agreement for most "home-use" type plans that prohibit running a server? It's stretching, but they're not going to like Apple benefiting from otherwise unused bandwidth that they provide.

A unique port for Apple? (1)

MasterC (70492) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239553)

FTA:

Uploads would use a unique port from other types of BitTorrent traffic so that network administrators can see it as separate and handle it accordingly.

If ISPs recognize Apple's "iTunes BT port" as empirically a no-pirating-zone and remove any packet filtering, then I predict it'll be a prime target for "illegal networks" to use thus effectively making this whole "unique port" deal a flop from the first turn at the track. Because, after all, you can't just run any protocol you want on any port number, especially when the server and client have a mutual understanding (which is all your standard ports are)...

Taking "handle it accordingly" another way, I can forsee that to mean "we [the ISP] want a dime on every 100 MB you send because of increased network load." Nevermind this bit: ...the system would also save terabytes of Internet backbone bandwidth that is now used for Software Updates, QuickTime Movie Trailers, and iTunes Store downloads among other things.

So if it does nothing for packet filtering and is just begging for ISPs to charge users then exactly what good is using a "unique port" gonna do? My prediction: not a damn thing!

Can users *share* their bandwith? (1)

Gregg M (2076) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239562)

I use Cablevisions Optimum Online cable Internet service. They have some mysterious rules about subscribers using bandwidth. Seems if you upload for any extended period of time you will get capped. Capped being data transfer limits [logicalexpressions.com] .

My download is capped now at 250KB/s. That was the slowest I could download as far as I can remember. Is it our bandwidth to share? Is it our to use? If we upload even 20KB/s will other ISPs start capping everyone.

Peer Impact (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15239595)

http://www.peerimpact.com/ [peerimpact.com] They've been doing this for over a year now.

The Day MOSR Becomes a Credible Source on /. (3, Funny)

alphasubzero949 (945598) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239602)

The day MOSR becomes a credible source on /. is when not only toasters fly but water flows uphill.

iTunes (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#15239627)

bandwidth and get rewards, such as credit in the iTunes store.

Oh, that's thrilling.
[/SARCASM]

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