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World of Warcraft In the Axis of Evil

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the not-talking-about-the-horde dept.

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Kotaku is running a piece by Wagner James Au, discussing the place World of Warcraft has in 'The Axis of Evil'. From the article: "Then again, there's little reason to think the ban was enforced much at all. Veteran WoW players tell me they often raid with folks who say they are Coalition troops in Iraq who've cleverly hacked around military firewalls to log in. And while it's doubtful that anyone but Kim Jung-Il and his geek cronies could log into World of Warcraft from North Korea, there's still an embargo on Iran."

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ww2 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15250230)

What does WoW have to do with World War II?

Not WW2 (5, Informative)

Animaether (411575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250304)

You're thinking of the Axis Powers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_Powers [wikipedia.org]
This is about the Axis of Evil - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil [wikipedia.org]

Regardless, WoW should have nothing to do with either of them apart from legislation restricting export of certain goods, such as software, to countries to which the originating country holds an embargo - such as Iran.
I had to look into that for the software developed at our country as well to see if we could sell to a potential customer in Iraq - and we could after it was 'liberated'.
Fore more information, see:

Supplement No. 2 to Part 774 - General Technology and Software Notes
( http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/txt/774_sup2.txt [gpo.gov] )

Point 2:
2. General Software Note. License Exception TSU (\"mass market\" software) is available to all destinations, except countries in Country Group E:1 of Supplement No. 1 to part 740 of the EAR, for release of software that is generally available to the public by being:

Supplement No. 1 to part 740 of the EAR
( http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/txt/740spir.txt [gpo.gov] )

E:1 Countries - Terrorist Supporting Countries
Cuba, Iran, \"Korea, North\", Libya, Sudan, Syria

Cuba? (2, Insightful)

DesireCampbell (923687) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250978)

Since when is Cuba harbouring terrorists? Or is 'Communism" part of terrorism now?

Re:Cuba? (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251011)

Cuba has been embargo'ed since Castro rose to power. Cuba will continue to be embargo'ed until democracy is adopted and the current government is removed from power. You should know this by now, it has probably been that way longer then you have been on this earth.

Re:Cuba? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251038)

Apostrophes [wikipedia.org] are used to signify possession or to indicate omitted characters. You are doing neither of these things, so the word is embargoed [answers.com] .

Re:Cuba? (0, Troll)

DesireCampbell (923687) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251045)

Not in Canada ;) we still trade with them.

Re:Cuba? (2, Informative)

iocat (572367) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251232)

They'll continue being embargoed until they give back all the property of US companies and individuals they nationalized after Castro's rise to power.

Re:Cuba? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251822)

They'll continue being embargoed until they give back all the property of US companies and individuals they nationalized after Castro's rise to power.

So, when does the USA intend to give back all the property of the British Crown that they stole after the War of Independence?

Oh, wait, I forgot. It's different for Americans. Americans are special, and the world should do as they say, not as they do.

Re:Cuba? (3, Insightful)

ultranova (717540) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252198)

So, when does the USA intend to give back all the property of the British Crown that they stole after the War of Independence?

As soon as Britain can take it by force, of course.

Oh, wait, I forgot. It's different for Americans. Americans are special, and the world should do as they say, not as they do.

Excatly. And the name of the difference is power. As long as the US is the strongest nation on Earth, it will keep on being the biggest bully as well. As soon as some other nation gets the power, they will become the bully as well.

Why does the US, or any other country for that matter, still keep on talking about right, justice, democracy, or any such thing in their rethoric is beyond my understanding. No one believes it. International policy is not about those things, never has been, and likely never will be, and that's hardly a secret. It is about power, the acquisition and defense of it, at any cost. Talking about "Axis of Evil" or other such nonsense simply adds a touch of hypocrisy to it, it does not make it any less filthy affair.

Re:Cuba? (1)

Premo_Maggot (864012) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252470)

The difference is in the case Cuba there was a coup d'état, Cuba had a nice going democracy for 50 years until Castro overthrew the government. While in the case of America, we were a colony and not a country. Oh and it's the American Revolution, not the independence war. Go talk to a tree King George!

Re:Cuba? (2, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#15254015)

So America's gonna give Hawaii back to the Hawaiians, hmm? Because you know it was seized in a coup d'état. [wikipedia.org] Oh wait, that's right. Things are different for America.

Re:Cuba? (1)

DesireCampbell (923687) | more than 7 years ago | (#15254392)

Wha? Firstly, it [i]was[/i] the War of Independence [wikipedia.org] . Please don't tell me the US educational system has sunk so low as to not teach that.

Secondly, to say that the United States didn't overthrow their government is retarded. They did. In the exact same way Castro did. The only difference is that American Patriots took a larger area, and killed more people. It would be nice to remind you here, that my country (Canada) gained our independence without armed conflict.

Let's go into the 'history of terrorist activities" too. Remember the Bay of Pigs [wikipedia.org] ? No, I thought you must've forgotten that.



Re:Cuba? (1)

HardCase (14757) | more than 7 years ago | (#15254983)

Secondly, to say that the United States didn't overthrow their government is retarded. They did. In the exact same way Castro did.

Exactly! The revolutionaries sailed from the colonies to Britain in a yacht filled with explosives and weapons. Their initial attempt to depose George III failed, but with a guerilla campaign staged from the mountains in the north, they were able to force George III to flee the country, along with the accumulated wealth of the treasury. George Washington marched into London in triumph and was declared the premier. Britain eventually became a workers' paradise. Just like Cuba! ...my country (Canada) gained our independence without armed conflict.

God save the Queen!

-h-

Re:Cuba? (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253816)

They gave up after the war of 1812.

Re:Cuba? (3, Insightful)

dbIII (701233) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251150)

Since when is Cuba harbouring terrorists?
There's hundreds of them at GITMO.

I can't understand the US attitude to Cuba - can't trade with them but renting space for a naval base is OK.

Re:Cuba? (5, Funny)

DesireCampbell (923687) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251296)

"I can't understand the US attitude to Cuba - can't trade with them but renting space for a naval base is OK"

That's the only thing about US policy you don't understand? :p

Re:Cuba? (1)

BecomingLumberg (949374) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252480)

I would imagine it is so we have a presence there in case they try any thing squirrly like back in the JFK days.

Re:Cuba? (1)

alexgieg (948359) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252936)

What? My god! Cuba trained and financed thousands of terrorists in the last decades. In the '60s and '70s many of those were fighting guerrila warfare in my country (Brazil) wishing to implement a proletariat dictatorship. And many others, including Che Guevara, were sent to lots of countries to help local terrorist movements.

Nowadays, Cuba is giving lots of *direct* help to Venezuela's dictator Hugo Chavez and to Colombia's narco-guerrila terrorists of the FARCS. The Comunist Party of Cuba, together with Brazilian's Workers Party, is also head country of the South American continental terrorist network "Forum de Sao Paulo", which includes, among more than 40 organizations, Colombia's FARCS itself and Chile's MIR.

And if that wasn't enough, Cuba is now in talks with Middle-Eastern islamic terrorist states to develop coordinated efforts whenever the opportunity arises.

Get your facts straight. Cuba is a terrorist state and deserves each and every restriction that's imposed upon it.

Re:Cuba? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15253256)

Define 'terrorist'. Are they suicide-bombing? Are they randomly blowing up civilian centers? I hadn't heard of this. Che Guevara was no angel, but I think he was involved in Guerrila warfare, not terrorism.

Re:Cuba? (1)

clydemaxwell (935315) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253285)

Funny. I seem to remember Cuba signing and ratifying the twelve international counterterrorism conventions in 2001. I also seem to remember that the 'direct help' to Venezuela consists of thousands of trained doctors and medical professionals who are at this time living in slums to help venezuela. Venezuela paid for this courtesy in oil, of course, but that doesn't change the sacrifice those people are making.
Fucker. Everything is terrorism these days, it seems. They're in 'talks' for potential terrorist attacks with unnamed islamic (interesting specification! all the states involved are islamic?) states.
There ought to be an 'ignorant asshat' mod.

Re:Cuba? (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253321)

Colombia's narco-guerrila terrorists, the FARCS

That's the goofiest thing I've heard all week.

Re:Cuba? (1)

clydemaxwell (935315) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253215)

Hah, the US administration has been embargoing Cuba since just before Bay of Pigs, i.e. Kennedy.
I think the idea originally was to make the people suffer in order to foster an anti-communism coup or revolution. Oh yeah, that's likely. The cubans who don't like it there come here, and most of the rest are happy.

Re:Cuba? (1)

chrish (4714) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253625)

This just in... Cuba harbouring tourists! Fear!

Re:ww2 (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250518)

Since no one is making fine military strategy games involving lots and lots of hexagons, the tin-pot dictators of the world had to find a new playground to realize their dreams of military glory. Thus, WoW is now the "axis" of all evil.

Re:ww2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15253179)

Thus, WoW is now the "axis" of all evil.Not all of WoW, just the Alliance. And mostly, just paladins. And trink firecrit mages.

Who Cares?? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15250248)

Embargoed countries like that also enjoy pirated games, books, music and movies from the US. Why is WOW so special or different?

I'm sorry, I don't see the point of this story. It's listed under politics, but there's no political angle here. But I'm sure people will use this story to bash the US, yet again. It's the MO of slashdot's editors nowadays: set the political bait, and watch the flamewar fly. This is what news for nerds has turned to?

Re:Who Cares?? (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250485)

It's listed under politics, but there's no political angle here. But I'm sure people will use this story to bash the US, yet again.
Well what did you expect would happen?

Give the U.S. some more time to level up, then the Level 60 WoW Trolls aren't going to be able to bash the U.S.

Who Cares??-Bait on a string. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251006)

"But I'm sure people will use this story to bash the US, yet again. It's the MO of slashdot's editors nowadays: set the political bait, and watch the flamewar fly. This is what news for nerds has turned to?"*

OK. So why do you all keep falling for it? It's OK to criticize the editors, as long as you're willing to accept your part in it.

*"/." is what it is in part because the majority of the good posters have left for greener pastures.

Re:Who Cares?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251985)

Okay, first "pirated WoW" does not exsist. Thier authorization system is about as foolproof as you can get. Unless they play on "private" servers, in which case it's a horse of a different color than in TFA.

Second, as far as /. and the pro-anti-american movement here, I recived a temporary ban a few weeks back for commenting a defense of the US on a totally offtopic thread bashing Americans for something the UK did. The thread had been modded +5 "insightful". Undoubtedly, I am about to be banned again.

Re:Who Cares?? (1)

DrunkenTerror (561616) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252971)

Undoubtedly, I am about to be banned again.

One gets used to it after a while, and learns not to make such troublesome comments. It's not censorship. I mean, who are we to go around stirring up trouble by pointing out unpopular truths? Think about your fellow content consumer. They deserve not to be bothered by crackpots and wierdos and their bullshit "facts."

WoW belongs in the axis of evil (4, Insightful)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250263)

Rule of thumb: Anything that allows you to "level up" is out to fuck you, take your money, or both. Examples: School, military, corporate hierarchy, catholic church, world of warcraft, scientology, etc.

Now if you're both in the military and addicted to WoW then you're really in trouble. That's either the second or the fourth circle of hell, depending on how the maths work. Either way it isn't good.

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (4, Funny)

thelost (808451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250285)

If I become catholic as well will I get to the fifth circle? If so I'm gettin' that addon! Level 5 here I come.

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (3, Funny)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250381)

Well logically it would be either level three or level eight. Hopefully level eight, I hear it has way better loot.

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15250398)

catholic church

Heh. Spoken like someone that doesn't know the first freakin' thing about being a Catholic.

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (-1, Offtopic)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250418)

Spoken like someone whose in denial about being conned out of a lot of time and money.

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15250573)

Hey queer, you're confusing the Catholic church with Scientology. Good thing I can whois your faggoty domain so I can punch your mother.

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (1)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250672)

My mom's catholic.

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15250800)

Actually, he's right. The first thing about being Catholic is learning shame.

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (1)

MaXiMiUS (923393) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250557)

I read the title as World of Warcraft Is the Axis of Evil. My title was better.

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250787)

Funny, I don't see that level of hell listed here [penny-arcade.com] . :P

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251396)

How is this insightful?

Re:WoW belongs in the axis of evil (1)

Xenographic (557057) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251996)

> Rule of thumb: Anything that allows you to "level up" is out to fuck you, take your money, or both.

Dammit, so what am I supposed to do with all this Slashdot karma now? :]

Now, I hate farmers... (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250333)

But I kinda wouldn't like the Chinese players to vanish because their government cuts them off.

Whether Vivendi will bow to Chinese requests, should they decide to demand it? Certainly. But they will enforce it only when there's positive proof that a player is Chinese, and only when someone requests it, they certainly won't waste resources to hunt them down. After all, it's money for them when someone plays. Actually, I'd guess they'd appreciate such a demand. After all, it allows them to ban an account, knowing well that the customer will buy another one.

Re:Now, I hate farmers... (1)

DeadChobi (740395) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250423)

Actually, China is more likely to just ask for personal information for a player, rather than ask for an outright ban. A mere ban isnt enough action on their part, and would require Blizzard to take steps to determine whether or not the player really is Chinese. Blizzard would be more likely to Yahoo! some personal information and get players arrested. This would also sit well with the Chinese government, who would rather personally exert control over thought and action.

Re:Now, I hate farmers... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251884)

This in turn would not necessarily be in Vivendi's interest. An arrested player won't buy a new account.

Yahoo! doesn't have those problems. In fact, their services are free and the Chinese users won't buy anything advertised.

Re:Now, I hate farmers... (2, Informative)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251455)


Eve Online [eve-online.com] is creating a chinese shard to cater to this group. I doubt it will stop the chinese macro miners, but it might. Especially if their country blocks access to Tranquility. I mean, yeah yeah freedom of speech, but they're driving down the price of omber.

This will mean that Eve can no longer say they're only one server... but, still. 25,000+ people on the same server is nothing to sneeze at. Go invest in some RAMSAN's, blizard!

~W

Isn't It Funny.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15250389)

The same countries that call for the US's destruction or want to see Israel and the Jews wiped off the map have no problem enjoying the products, technology and entertainment of those countries.

I love seeing those Iranian students screaming "Death To America" yet dressed just like American teenagers, no doubt influenced by the American movies and television shows they pirated.

 

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (3, Insightful)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250509)

The Iranian government doesn't represent the WHOLE population of Iran. Just like the Americas Presedent doesn't represent the opinion of 100% of America.

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (1)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250675)

True, but the Iranian government represents the population of Iran that would like to see the U.S. destroyed. Thats scary.

Same thing vice versa, George Bush (Jr.) doesn't represent the opinion of the WHOLE population of the U.S., just the elites who ignore public opinion.

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (2, Insightful)

vertinox (846076) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253773)

True, but the Iranian government represents the population of Iran that would like to see the U.S. destroyed. Thats scary.

Not really. When you compare it to other things, you are more likley to die in a car accident or slipping in your shower.

Chances are Iran would never be able to nuke us. I'd be more concerned if we attacked Iran and then Russia and China decided to declare war on us for no good reason.

They have ICBM's that can hit every city in the US. Iran can barley hit Europe.

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (1)

c_forq (924234) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250729)

The parent to your post wasn't talking about the whole of the population either, just the hypocrites (the teens he sees in American fashion protesting America). From his statement I assume he would be fine with those hating America that also boycott American fashion and goods, and also with those who don't hate America and enjoy American goods. Nowhere did he say "All of Iran hates America, but pirates American goods. Every single one of them".

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (1)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251073)

Most Iranian teen's that have been protesting, were protesting their own goverment whenever they could. It was only recently that some focus went to america due to the "axis of evil" statement by bush.

But by and large the teens in Iran don't seem to like their government.

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (1)

masdog (794316) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251210)

Just like the Americas Presedent doesn't represent the opinion of 100% of America.

Lately its down to about 33% of Americans...and falling.

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253370)

That's just another ter'ist attack or war away from hitting an easy 51% again

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15250633)

Its about as funny as seeing America enjoying the oil coming from Iran, Syria, Iraq and the like, nations who the US have declared their resolve to destroy. Or liberate, regime-change, pre-empt, or whatever your apologist term for genocide, war-crimes and crimes against humanity happens to be today.

Mass killings, bombings and destruction are surely the source of much hilarity all round! Little known fact - by far the most death in WWII was caused by an overdose of laughter, sides were being split all over Europe so funny were the antics of the combatants.

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (2, Informative)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250882)

Its about as funny as seeing America enjoying the oil coming from Iran, Syria, Iraq and the like, nations who the US have declared their resolve to destroy.

Actually, the US didn't import oil from Iraq (aside from an "oil for food" program instituted by the UN) between 1990 and 2003. Since 2003, the US has been occupying and rebuilding Iraq. As for Iran, there's been a full embargo against Iran (including oil) since 1979. The Bush administration has never expressed a desire to go to war with Syria. In conclusion, nice try dumbass, check your facts next time.

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251120)

The Bush administration has never expressed a desire to go to war with Syria
I suppose it depends on the amount of sabre rattling you equate with a desire to go to war. There's certainly been threats along those lines - way back to the famous "Rogue States" speech before 9/11 telling them all to watch out and get ready to fight, as well as the more recent "axis of evil" and the threats to Syria after the first stages of the Iraq occupation when they were accused of hiding the WMD for Saddam. There's been some misinformation but in general the newspaper reports of the time could be trusted - so I suspect it would be worth paying as much attention to the news than the person insulted above who was told to check their facts.

The comment above that the US didn't import oil from Iraq apart from the oil they imported is rather odd, so perhaps the "didn't import oil" and "never expressed a desire to go to war with Syria" are both qualified with some excuse to make something that did happen look like it didn't.

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251229)

tylenol is a drug, and i have a headache. I dont do drugs.

Did i express desire to be a drug user?

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (1)

stmr (853326) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250934)

It's only the fanatics. The regular joes in those countries listen to the same music and think very much alike.

Iranian students screaming "Death To America" = Hollywood "enlightened" Actors, NAMBLA, NOW, PETA members and other wackos from America. Every country has their dysfunctional ones. ^^

Re:Isn't It Funny.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251315)

I love seeing those Iranian students screaming "Death To America" yet dressed just like American teenagers

I don't see the hypocrisy. American teenagers invariably wear clothes designed in Europe and fabricated in China.

Leave Our Troops Alone (2, Insightful)

shoma-san (739914) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250488)

Most of the folks that claim they can do this are probably not part or a combat unit in a Marine Expeditionary Force but still have to be worried about getting blown up while waiting to log into WOW. If there is a chance that they could die tomorrow and they want to play WOW then let them play WOW. Dropping a dime on them on Slashdot does nothing but make it harder for them to do what they want when they want.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (4, Insightful)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250598)

I do hope this doesn't come off as insensitive or anything, but for some reason I'd be dubious if faced with an online avatar of someone who claims to have hacked past a US Military firewall - that is, hacked past a US Military Firewall - to do something as bandwidth-sucking and most likely specifically not allowed as playing a damn MMO.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this, as I'd love to think that even in a hellish war zone my fellow gamers can get their fix, but it just doesn't seem like something that would actually be allowed to happen all that much. And even if against all odds and logic it somehow did happen, I doubt said gamers would be bragging about their exploits in a damned text chat.

The idea that people who are sitting comfortably at home playing a computer game may be fishing for some sort of street cred or sympathy by falsely claiming to be among those whose lives are being put on the line is completely disgusting on every level.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15250671)

Like nobody lies on the internet.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (1)

masdog (794316) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251227)

Especially not that 40 E^E^E^E^E^E^ 14 year old girl that you met last night in a chat room.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (1)

Arker (91948) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250688)

Remember where words like snafu come from man. The military.

Presumably a few isolated parts of the military do have super-duper network security, but the vast majority of it isn't likely any harder to circumvent than your typical half-assed corporate firewall. Now I'm only basing this on anecdotes from my many friends and relatives that have been through the military, I don't know it from personal experience, but if half of what I've heard from sources I consider reliable is true, it would actually be a miracle if military networks were half as secure as your typical corporate setup. Which means any talented 12 year old should be able to pwn it without breaking a sweat.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250733)

Probably not the most PC thing to say about a tale of government data protection failure, but that really warms my heart. Thanks!

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (1)

thesandtiger (819476) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251243)

I don't buy it. Is anyone really dumb enough to risk the hellfire that getting caught hacking a military system would surely bring down just to play a video game?

My guess is that it's either kids thinking that claiming they're in the military will make them seem cooler somehow (or kids who've got family in service and want to be "closer" in some strange way) or that it's military folks who are accessing the game from Internet cafes over there (I think they have some - there was a documentary about troops over there, and they mentioned a whole bunch of times that they were able to use Internet cafes) but for some reason wish to lie.

I simply don't believe anyone capable of getting through the military systems (even the shitty ones) undetected and perfectly safely would also be so dumb as to mention in a more or less public place. That's begging to be caught.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (4, Interesting)

Xaositecte (897197) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251429)

In Comm squadrons over here (Yes, I'm in Iraq this very moment) - we've got a network morale drive filled with games, movies, etc. - all of which our leadership doesn't mind us using so long as we don't have anything better to do at the moment.

Communications jobs in the Air Force aren't exactly filled with tasks, so we've got a lot of free time to play around. Nobody here is a WoW addict to my knowledge, but it wouldn't be terribly difficult to pull off, and no-one would care even if they did.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15254043)

Sounds like like the ??AA needs to crack down on the US military!

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (3, Insightful)

Sunburnt (890890) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251070)

The concept of a "U.S. Military Firewall" is not particularly intimidating. When I was stationed in the Gulf with the Air Force, the Communications squadron was using the same garbage as my 55-year-old mother - McAfee products, and not always with up-to-date patches. A friend in that unit informed me that such was common practice throughout the military in unsecured environments (such as a MWR tent with Internet access.)

Hell, even the censoring of certain websites (rotten.com, ebaumsworld.com, and theonion.com are the only ones I can recall, but it's been a few years) was easy to circumvent for anyone clever enough to uncheck the "Proxy Server" setting in IE. I wonder if anyone ever bothered fixing that?

Given the temperament of the bored kids I remember staffing the Air Force's server rooms, I'd imagine they're probably enabling this kind of activity. Can't say I blame them. I wish we had WoW instead of a copy of Tekken 3.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (1)

BigDork1001 (683341) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251586)

Hell, even the censoring of certain websites (rotten.com, ebaumsworld.com, and theonion.com are the only ones I can recall, but it's been a few years) was easy to circumvent for anyone clever enough to uncheck the "Proxy Server" setting in IE. I wonder if anyone ever bothered fixing that?

I'm Comm in the Air Force, posting from a govt computer right now at work. Wonder no more, they did fix that. However there are plenty of proxy websites out there that let me surf all those sites that are blocked by our firewall. Mostly I use it to go to the WoW related sites actually. I'm an addict, what can I say.

Actually for a time /. was blocked by our firewall. However I work Network Administration and one of the other sections within Net Admin controls what is and isn't blocked. I managed to convince them that /. is a vital news site and that it helps me in my job. Suckers.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15255126)

I managed to convince them that /. is a vital news site and that it helps me in my job. Suckers.

Thanks for the info, sucker.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251366)

The flaw in your logic is that military firewalls are in large part administrated by military personnel. This isn't far from the truth: "Welcome to the Army. This is how you create an account. This is how you create an e-mail account. This is how you unlock someone's account after they type the wrong password. You've got the watch." The only saving grace, in my experience, is when the jobs happen to be staffed by computer/networking hobbiests. That's rarely the case, however, since your job is in large part determined by your aptitude, and those with sufficient cognitive skills to adquately administer a network are generally placed in "more demanding" fields.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (2, Interesting)

Xaositecte (897197) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251406)

I happen to be in Iraq right now, Baghdad International Airport (Part of the 447th Communications Squadron) - and it's entirely believable. All you really have to do is call up tech control and, assuming you're on good terms with at least one guy there, ask for admin rights.

It'd be especially easy for Comm guys since all our jobs are getting replaced by Civilian contractors now that it's more or less safe inside the base walls.

Bastards get paid like $160,000 a year to do the same job I'm doing for ~$20,000. Damned enlisted pay structure.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (1)

Illserve (56215) | more than 7 years ago | (#15254169)

Take it easy. Soliders are people too. They circumvent the laws in harmless little ways, they get away with it, and life goes on, just like with the rest of us and our various jobs.

This kind of thing is completely believable, the military has a huge proportion of gamers, especially miniature games like Warhammer 40,000.

And what's the big deal with a firewall being military? I'm sure that at the level they're operating it's no different than the firewalls at use in corporations and universities. It's not like he's broadcasting from the NSA headquarters.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15254965)

The people that build and maintain the network are also the people most likely playing video games.

Re:Leave Our Troops Alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15250610)

Thank you for your kind words to those of us who serve and offer our lives.

No that's World of Starcraft (2, Funny)

sentientbrendan (316150) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250580)

but only if you play a ghost. Only they can launched nuclear weapons.

Re:No that's World of Starcraft (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250626)

"Only they can launched nuclear weapons."

I'm still waiting for Ghost to launch on my Nintendo 64.

Re:No that's World of Starcraft (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251049)

lol pwnt

Most countries are banned from WoW, too (4, Interesting)

tangent3 (449222) | more than 8 years ago | (#15250838)

From http://vnboards.ign.com/wow_general_board/b19789/9 6506468/p1/?73 [ign.com]

Just got banned today after playing WOW because I am not currently in North America. Apparently Blizzard does not care about those who are stationed abroad in the Armed Forces and working for them. I purchased WOW in the Post Exchange in Seoul Korea on the Yongsan Army Base there, which is considered by law, U.S. Soil. I installed the game and created my account using my U.S. Credit Card from Delaware. My billing address was an APO, AP address which stands for Armed Forces Pacific, Army Postal. After playing the game for 3 months I got an email stating this:

" Access to the World of Warcraft account BTOBEYONDER, and all World of Warcraft accounts associated with the payment information you have provided, has been permanently disabled. It is implicitly stated on the account creation page that: This account creation process is only available to customers in North America, New Zealand, Australia, and Singapore. As a result, the account(s) will no longer be accessible in any way and will not be reopened under any circumstances. Thank you for your time and understanding in this matter.

Regards,
Account Administration
Blizzard Entertainment "

Re:Most countries are banned from WoW, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251044)

What a bunch of assholes. Really, WHY do people still play this game after all the control-freakery these guys have abused people with? It's only a matter of time before YOUR account is fucked with.

Re:Most countries are banned from WoW, too (4, Informative)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251180)

Wow, if that's true, that's really a load of crap on their part.

I'll be honest, I play WoW from time to time and thus maintain my account there (so my character doesn't get dumped), but Blizzard has really begun to grate on me. They're starting to become one of those organizations that I just feel vaguely dirty for associating with, much less paying a subscription fee to.

I'd encourage anyone serving overseas at a military installation or embassy who's been given the shaft by Blizzard to publicize it as widely as you can; there's nothing that really inflames Ma and Pa Kettle like a corporation being dicks to troops overseas, and I could easily see an organization like Blizzard which is highly dependent on public opinion bowing to pressure and changing their policy in a hurry.

It Could Help (1)

Baby Duck (176251) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251270)

And point out Blizzard is owned by Vivendi. And Vivendi is French.

Kinda wrong to use this tactic, so I won't endorse it. Just putting it out there.

I unsubscribed, myself. I'll vote with my dollars elsewhere.

Re:It Could Help (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251907)

Mind coming over to EQOA [sony.com] ? We could use some people :-( Even Sony forgot this game exists.

Re:Most countries are banned from WoW, too (1)

tibman (623933) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251360)

Man.. i lived without phones, internet, postoffice, a finance(read army bank), hospital, or any of that crap for over six months.. We didn't even have a taco bell! What kind of crap is that?!? Something needs to be done about this! We can't fight a war without our endless supplies of soft taco supremes! Not to mention every tent needs T1 line access.. at a minimum.

On a more serious note.. my platoon collectively purchased our own satelite internet from some guy in the town we were living in. It was the best thing that ever happened to us. We might not have had those fancy toliets that flush away poo at the push of a button.. but our internet was bitchin fast and uncensored.

Re:Most countries are banned from WoW, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251594)

We might not have had those fancy toliets that flush away poo at the push of a button...

I've got one of those, but ever since WoW came along I just can't be bothered to use it...

Re:Most countries are banned from WoW, too (2, Informative)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251626)

I play WoW from time to time and thus maintain my account there (so my character doesn't get dumped)
You don't have to "maintain" your account, Blizzard will never delete your characters (at least under current policy), so you can go back at any time. I quit WoW for five months and all of my characters were just as i'd left them. I recently quit again and expect that if I ever want to go back to the horrible world of daily raids on MC/BWL/TAQ and eventually Naxx/Draenor, I could. But I don't plan on it. The items arms race (epix!) is precicely why I quit Diablo 2, and its the same reason why a lot of people are dumping WoW. :P

Re:Most countries are banned from WoW, too (2, Insightful)

Trolan (42526) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252831)

And when the guy contacted Blizzard informing them of his situation, they reinstated the account and credited him 4 days. There's nothing to see here, outside of an account being flagged due to location and registration IP address, all brought up, quite possibly by a guild split causing some people to be asshats and reporting him. No anti-military bias, just the usual issues which crop up when you have a massive customer base, and piles upon piles of complaints against people who threaten someone's e-peen, whether they're real or imagined.

Re:Most countries are banned from WoW, too (1)

jackbird (721605) | more than 7 years ago | (#15254489)

I purchased WOW in the Post Exchange in Seoul Korea on the Yongsan Army Base there, which is considered by law, U.S. Soil.

does not conflict with

This account creation process is only available to customers in North America, New Zealand, Australia, and Singapore.

It is U.S. soil, but it is not in North America.

Axis Of Evil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251005)

Isnt WoW in the gaming Axis of Evil with SwG and Evercrack?

Typo (2, Informative)

Oldsmobile (930596) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251857)

Correct romanization is "Kim Jong Il".

Re:Typo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15251942)

Nope it's...
Kim Jong ILL

Re:Typo (1)

Oldsmobile (930596) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251991)

As in Illinois?

Talking of North Korea.. (1)

cluke (30394) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251895)

I bought Outrun Coast 2 Coast recently (great game), and in the license set-up screen for your character, you can pick your nationality. Ireland wasn't there, which wasn't a massive shock to me as there was only about 20 or so to choose from, but to my surprise there was.. North Korea! Are they having a laugh or what? I doubt there is even anyone WITH a PS2 in the whole country..

Strange!

Hacking firewalls.... (1)

JKSN17 (956518) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252840)

I highly doubt alot of the troops have enough time to hack a military firewall, considering according to a guildmate who has occassionally been posting on our guilds' site, they only have about 30-45 minutes online tops at any given time and most of the keys on the keyboards are missing. Don't burn in troops...let them play when they can! The deserve the R&R.

Re:Hacking firewalls.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15253058)

HaHah, good one, mate.

"Avatar Racism" (2, Interesting)

panda (10044) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253683)

Actually, I thought that the piece on avatar racism [blogs.com] in Second Life that was linked to in the article was more interesting.

WoW in in combat zones. (2, Interesting)

mansa (94579) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253876)

You'd be amazed how many people play WoW, Counter-Strike, and a host of other network games in Iraq. The internet is such a big morale booster over there. Nearly every American base I've visited has free (govt. sponsored) Internet connections for troops that include web cams, microphones, and IMs. The pay Internet (AT&T Cyber Cafes) have everything else... pre-loaded games, cams, and access to many other things the govt. doesn't want to worry about. Everytime I went in there to download my e-mail (Yes! They had laptop cubes/ connections! ($5/hour)) there were no less than 5 people playing WoW.

For those people that lived/worked on Iraqi bases the Internet connections there were pretty much unmonitored/unfiltered and allowed everything through.

I also have to say I've seen Morale network drives too... When I was there last summer the music directory was 195gb and the movies and videos topped 300gb... this is on a NIPR military LAN too. I think the leadership looked the other way 'til the filesever blew up December. I don't know if it exists anymore.

Re:WoW in in combat zones. (1)

ShelbyCobra (134614) | more than 7 years ago | (#15255054)

I know that WoW and Counterstrike are hugely popular games, and thus, draw the crowds, but one would figure that living in a combat zone would drive a player twoards a less violent game, like Katamari or something like that (which I am sure was/is just as popular there as here). Not that those games are not fun, but escapisim being what it is and all...
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