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Microsoft May Delay Windows Vista Again

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the redux-redux dept.

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UltimaGuy writes to mention a Reuters report, stating that Vista may be delayed again, this time by up to three months. From the article: " The research note, released to clients [by the Gartner Group] on Monday, said the new Windows Vista operating system is too complex to be able to meet Microsoft's targeted November release for volume license customers and January launch for retail consumers. A Microsoft spokeswoman said the company disagreed with the Gartner report and it was still on track to meet its launch dates."

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482 comments

Well ... (5, Funny)

vodkamattvt (819309) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249436)

I certainly didnt see this coming!

Suggested new Name (5, Funny)

Vyvyan Basterd (972007) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249438)

MS/Hurd

Re:Suggested new Name (1)

utlemming (654269) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249457)

LOL...that has to be one of the funniest comments I have seen in a long time.

Re:Suggested new Name (5, Funny)

Eudial (590661) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249492)

How about "Windows Forever"? Sounds more poetic.

Re:Suggested new Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249516)

How about "Windows Forever"?

Re:Suggested new Name (5, Funny)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249537)

Well, since the first letter in the acronym doesn't have any meaning anyway, i think MS/Turd would be more apropriate.

Re:Suggested new Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249545)

Windows Wiista

Re:Suggested new Name (1)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249605)

I suggest Microsoft Windows Forever.

It's the Vista that just doesn't quit going on and on and on...

Re:Suggested new Name (4, Funny)

rbochan (827946) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249662)

At this rate, Debian Etch will go Stable first.

Re:Suggested new Name (2, Funny)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249745)

At this rate, Debian Etch's successor will go stable first.

Re:Suggested new Name (1)

raider_red (156642) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249722)

Is it going to ship with the Enlightenment window manager?

This is getting old (2, Interesting)

utlemming (654269) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249443)

Okay, I am getting tired of these delays. If I hadn't seen a beta, I would claim that Vista is vaporware. How many times does this make that it has been delayed? Maybe the reason for the insane specs is because by the time it gets out it will run on old, outdated computers.

Re:This is getting old (1)

doh123 (951318) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249475)

it hasnt been delayed again yet... not offcially. But whats one more dleay in the long line of delays as it is?

Re:This is getting old (4, Insightful)

TheNetAvenger (624455) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249550)

Maybe the reason for the insane specs is because by the time it gets out it will run on old, outdated computers

Insane specs? The Specs for Vista are the same as last release of OSX. Actually less when you consider Vista will run on 800mhz machines with 512mb of RAM quite well. (Yes we test it on this configuration.)

So what are insane specs to you?
512MB of RAM for 'optimal' performance? Ok, $40
DirectX 9.0 Card for 'high end glass' (PS in Hardware)? Ok, GeforceFX 5200 $50

Also as a side note, if you are running Vista on legacy hardware. Like a PII 400Mhz with 128mb of RAM, there are several high end monitoring services that turn off, and can be turned off to run at the same performance as WinXP, which is still faster than Win9X and even Win2k on the same hardware.

Trying to truly find your point here, what do you consider 'insane' specs? Am I missing something?

Re:This is getting old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249732)

if you are running Vista on legacy hardware. Like a PII 400Mhz with 128mb of RAM, there are several high end monitoring services that turn off, and can be turned off to run at the same performance as WinXP

So basically, I can buy windows vista for $x00 and then turn it into windows XP? Why am I upgrading again?

As for the rest of your post, you're probably right about the real-world requirements being not too bad. It's just that the specs have always been overblown for Vista. I remember back when everyone was abuzz about the fact that Longhorn/Vista was going to require a whole terabyte of harddrive space.

Re:This is getting old (2, Informative)

bizard (691544) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249766)

I don't know what you think the Mac OS X specs are, but my wife is running Tiger (OS X 10.4.x) on a 5 year old 400MHz G4 laptop quite happily. 'Will run on 800MHz' sounds a bit stiff. Although it is relegated to a music server, I also have a 400MHz G3 laptop happily running Tiger with 512MB RAM.

Re:This is getting old (2, Insightful)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249685)

I don't think most people really care. I for one have no intention of rushing out and getting it. What will it have that is such an improvement over XP? They can just keep on delaying for all I care.

Re:This is getting old (3, Insightful)

ron_ivi (607351) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249738)

What will it have that is such an improvement over XP?

This is the real reason for the delay.

So long as Vista is still-in-the-future it will slow companies transitioning to Linux or Mac. As soon as it comes out and the deficiencies are known, organizations will have little reason not to move to Apples which are now superior in all ways except video games.

This has long been their strategy, as evidenced by this federal judge in 1995

Last month, the U.S. District Court jurist in Washington suggested barring Microsoft from making vaporware announcements because doing so can allegedly freeze the market and discourage buyers from purchasing competing products.

And now, as always, the idea that companies should evaluate Vista before switching to mac or linux is a very compelling reason why Microsoft should keep the Vista launch 6-months-away forever.

Re:This is getting old (1)

jacksonj04 (800021) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249764)

Based on the CTP, the metadata handling. It's actually pretty damn good.

You can tag any file, create virtual folders like "Find anything with the tag 'work' which I looked at in the past month" etc.

I'm an MSDN subscriber, so paying x00 dollars doesn't bother me that much, but I'd be willing to pay a fair amount for an upgrade just for that.

Some "Analysis" (3, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249458)

"Microsoft still wants to get it out as soon as possible, but slipping from January to March is nowhere near as bad as slipping from shipping before the holidays to after the holidays," a group of Gartner analysts wrote in the report.

What is this, a game console? What does Microsoft care if it slips for the Holiday season? If anyone gets a computer for Christmas, they're still likely to get it with Microsoft products. If not (i.e. they buy an Apple), I don't see that having Vista out will help that much.

Re:Some "Analysis" (1)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249486)

Well, it's not a game console exactly. But there are people who are waiting for it to come out before buying a new computer with a soon-to-be obsolete operating system. It will boost the sales right before the end of the year and give the investors some good news and probably boost the stock price some.

Re:Some "Analysis" (5, Insightful)

kie (30381) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249540)

not to worry, at this rate it WILL be perfectly timed for the holiday period...
xmas 2007.

Re:Some "Analysis" (1)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249628)

Dammit, and me without mod points. Well-done.

Re:Some "Analysis" (1)

mwilli (725214) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249783)

I think you're overestimating Microsoft's abilities.

Re:Some "Analysis" (2, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249643)

But there are people who are waiting for it to come out before buying a new computer with a soon-to-be obsolete operating system.

There are? Really? Really? In all honesty, I don't think that I've ever heard any non-OSS zealots complain about Windows XP. It's essentially a finished product. There aren't really any major problems left to hammer out, or functionality to add, as far as I'm concerned. What, specifically, are "people" waiting for in Vista? I consider myself a geek, and I don't even know or care what Vista is going to do. Windows 2000/XP work just fine for us.

Re:Some "Analysis" (4, Funny)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249730)

Maybe he's referring to people holding off on buying a Mac until Vista is released.

Re:Some "Analysis" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249508)

Well, I am personally waiting for new computer bundles to ship with Vista before I upgrade.

But I agree - I imagine most people (at least the type to buy a computer at as a holiday gift for another) aren't going to be waiting with their ears to the ground for a Vista release.

Re:Some "Analysis" (4, Insightful)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249532)

More people will be talking about getting a new computer if there's a new version of Windows on it. More talk == more gift sales. It's a proven statistic that a major Windows release date affects holidy purchases (I just don't have the old data handy at the moment). Of course there are plenty of other factors, like any new game consoles that are out.

Re:Some "Analysis" (1)

nursegirl (914509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249692)

My understanding was that Microsoft's party line [microsoft.com] is that the enterprise version would be ready in November, but that the consumer version wouldn't be ready until January, anyhow. I wouldn't expect that many businesses worry about Christmas gifts.

Re:Some "Analysis" (5, Insightful)

MouseR (3264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249617)

A lot of big company IT departments make major OS/hardware/infrastructure updates/changes during that period to minimize downtime. They benefit from most employees being on vacation/leave during the same period.

Also, lots of machines with pre-installed OSes are sold during that period, as gifts. Same goes for box upgrades.

Re:Some "Analysis" (2, Insightful)

elmigs (886409) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249637)

well this isn't bad for MS only. It's said that with vista ready for holidays, duying a computer would be more apealling to the average Joe Doe than that HDTV. Which means that Dell, HP and other PC vendors will suffer the lack of that big reel in form of a "brand new windows"

Re:Some "Analysis" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249641)

What is this, a game console?

Well, isn't that what Windows really is to Joe Sixpack?

(Kneejerk mods please note: That's a comment on Joe Sixpack, not MS.)

More imporantly (5, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249664)

This is gartner reporting; This is the same group that in 1999 reported that Linux/OSS would penetrate into the server market at most 1% and into the web server market at only 5% by 2004 (5 years). Sadly, Linux was already beating those numbers at that time.

Generally, Gartner ( and IDC and a few others ) are some of the worse are guessing what the future holds. In fact, I would suggest that their incompetence is so bad, that I would guess that they get at most 25% correct; which means, that most companies would be better off betting against them.

Re:Some "Analysis" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249672)

"What does Microsoft care if it slips for the Holiday season?"

Of course they care. But all is well in Redmond - a few more delays and they'll be shipping just in time for the 2007 Christmas season!

Re:Some "Analysis" (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249774)

Because it delays the general uptake of the new OS. Without the initial holiday boost to Vista, there will just be that many more "aging" XP machines that they have to support. Although I doubt it make a whole lot of difference in the long run.

-matthew

Vista Slogan (5, Funny)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249466)

"We won't be releasing it any time soon, but please enjoy the view."

And here's a suggested screenshot (5, Funny)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249625)

Vista Screenshot [nyud.net]

Will *YOU* wait for Windows Vista Forever? (1)

Hexstream (892806) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249747)

I know I won't.

Re:And here's a suggested screenshot (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249763)

a 404 error?

What's the hold-up? (5, Funny)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249472)

Haven't they finished taking out everything that makes it different from XP yet?!??!?

Re:What's the hold-up? (1)

DaveM753 (844913) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249557)


>> Haven't they finished taking out everything that makes it different from XP yet?!??!?

Exactly! The real reason for the extra holdup: taskbar Properties still has an image of the XP taskbar. (Which certainly isn't meant to imply that Vista is merely an upgrade of XP...perish the thought.)

Re:What's the hold-up? (1)

telbij (465356) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249576)

Haven't they finished taking out everything that makes it different from XP yet?!??!?

Of course! That was completed years ago, now they just have to reorganize all the widgets in order to re-make-it-different from XP.

When did MS hire ex (4, Funny)

t0qer (230538) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249476)

Duke Nukem 3D project managers?

Re:When did MS hire ex (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249563)

No - the question is - when did you have the right to steal my post??? ;)

Re:When did MS hire ex (1)

md81544 (619625) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249578)

No... it's worse than that... Duke Nukem Forever

Whadya mean, ex? (1)

Stephen Gilbert (554986) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249754)

It's easy to manage any number of these kinds of projects at the same time.

Brilliant! (4, Insightful)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249488)

Now if MS actually can meet its launch date, the industry media will praise them, rather than saying, "uh, wasn't this supposed to be released three years ago? And where's all the good features, like Nomad and WinFS?"

Re:Brilliant! (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249544)

Nomad, eh? [nomadness.net]

Re:Brilliant! (5, Interesting)

Daltorak (122403) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249606)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windo ws_Vista [wikipedia.org] ... read the whole thing (yes, it's long and wordy), and then explain to me how Monad and WinFS are collectively better than the hundreds of improvements listed there. Be sure you understand what Vista *is*, as opposed to what it *isn't*.

a distant view (5, Funny)

SimonInOz (579741) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249493)

vista (vs't) pronunciation
n.

1. A distant view or prospect, especially one seen through an opening, as between rows of buildings or trees.

Hmm ... "distant" ...

Dupe? (2, Funny)

Cyberglich (525256) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249496)

Did't we know this months ago?

Re:Dupe? (1)

ajlitt (19055) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249598)

Apparently RTFA has given way to RTFWP: RTF Whole Post.

Fixing non-problems (5, Insightful)

reldruH (956292) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249497)

If this is actually the case, I think Microsoft deserves what's coming to them. The only reason they still have so much market share is because of inertia, but if they can't actually ship a product (even at the already delayed date) they deserve the mass defections that hopefully will be coming. They've dropped a ton of features, they can't ship on time, even Joe six pack will at some point realize that this isn't the company that should be in control of his computer. Like it or not, people aren't going to switch to Linux or OSS because it might be better or because open source is a better sofware development model. They're going to switch because they're having a problem. Nobody's going to go out of their way to fix a problem they don't have. Luckily for us, MS is doing a great job creating those problems.

Re:Fixing non-problems (1)

CCFreak2K (930973) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249604)

Don't overestimate users like Joe Sixpack. If his new Dell ships with Windows on it, he'll use Windows. If it happens to one day come with, per se, Ubuntu, he'll probably use that. All Microsoft has to do is keep the Windows name on the minds of most users (lusers in this case, I guess), and they'll still be afloat. For a while, anyway.

Re:Fixing non-problems (5, Insightful)

powerlord (28156) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249609)

The biggest problem MS has been creating by delaying LongHo... I mean Vista isn't just in dropped features.

Its also in licensing. When MS switched to their new licensing model they promised all their big customers that it would pay since MS SQL server would be out soon, along with a new version of Windows, so it made sense to go for the licensing.

After the delay MS SQL 2005 experianced, and this, I'll be real surprised if people are willing to believe them again.

It sounds almost like a Nigerian 419 scam:
Yeah ... just pay us this big stack of cash and you're entitled to all the versions and updates we produce in the next two years.

[3 years go by] ... Oh ... were you expecting something?

Re:Fixing non-problems (2, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249616)

they deserve the mass defections that hopefully will be coming.

Defections because why, exactly...? Do you know anybody who NEEDS Vista? I certainly don't. Windows 2000 and XP are pretty damn good products, and I know that we're not upgrading because there's no reason to. Vista will be just a "gee whiz, this is neat" thing if/when we ever buy new computers again.

Luckily for us, MS is doing a great job creating those problems.

What problems, exactly?

Re:Fixing non-problems (1)

Strider-BG (103059) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249705)

Well, as someone who works for a wireless company - Vista is expected to have a TON of improvements to their Wi-fi stack/clients. Not earth-shattering to everyone but some of us are looking forward to it.

Other than that, -- XP runs my games just fine and I use a Mac at work.

Chris

Re:Fixing non-problems (1, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249626)

In order for mass defections to occur, there has to be a viable alternative to defect to. In the case of Windows, there really isn't one. Linux is still nowhere near viable as a desktop system for most people, and MacOS X is just barely getting into the Intel market.

Vista has been delayed for years, and no other OS has managed to grab any momentum from it, I doubt another few months will make any difference. This is a failure on the part of other software developers.

Apple is probably the only company with a realistic shot at grabbing anything from this, but they would probably need an OEM deal with someone like Dell to make any real dents, as Apple's own hardware is still too expensive for the average Windows user.

In other news... (2, Funny)

adminsr (919472) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249505)

Microsoft has announced that their next-gen OS, formerly known as Vista, will be renamed "Vista Forever". Steve Ballmer was unavailable for comment.

Who Cares? (1)

FinalCut (555823) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249506)

At this point - who really cares if Vista is ever released?

Re:Who Cares? (1)

Martix (722774) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249543)

zzzzzzzz !!! the longer the better as far as I am concerned ....Don't need no DRM infested OS.

Wow, I've never known the Gartner group to FUD M$ (0, Flamebait)

Assmasher (456699) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249507)

...not.

The Gartner group are just a tad (to say the least) biased against Micro$oft.

They're not as patently biased as some of the companies used by M$ in older 'we are better than Linux for reason (n)' were, but they're not far off.

Re:Wow, I've never known the Gartner group to FUD (1)

robertjw (728654) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249574)

Fair enough, but who realistically thinks Microsoft is going to meet these November/January dates?

Even if the report is biased, I would say an additional three month delay on Vista would be a reasonable assumption.

Re:Wow, I've never known the Gartner group to FUD (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249619)

The Gartner group are just a tad (to say the least) biased against Micro$oft.

They weren't when they published Microsoft's anti-Linux FUD [catb.org] . Maybe they've burned that bridge in the mean time. I don't know; I've tuned them out since then.

Re:Wow, I've never known the Gartner group to FUD (1)

podperson (592944) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249744)

The Gartner group are just a tad (to say the least) biased against Micro$oft.

Since when? Can you cite any evidence?

F.F.F. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249518)

FOSS Funded FUD

Re:F.F.F. (1, Redundant)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249655)

FOSS Funded FUD

Excuse me, but since when are good news classified as "FUD"?

You know what they say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249524)

Hey, better late than never! Although in this case, I think I'd prefer never.

--
A PC without Windows is like chocolate cake without mustard.

Gartner excels (2, Funny)

bstadil (7110) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249535)

From the article:

"Microsoft still wants to get it out as soon as possible

Amazing insight. Worth every penny spend on the report

Sources? (1)

7of7 (956694) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249541)

I'm thinking this "Gartner Group" might be citing sources who wear black turtlenecks or are too busy recompiling their kernels to accurately fact check.

Re:Sources? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249601)

What, exactly, did you think the Vista devs spend all day doing?

News? (2, Insightful)

slashbob22 (918040) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249548)

It's like announcing that a herd of turtles is reaching the finish line. It's big, it's bulky and everyone knows it's coming. The question is anyone will give a hare's tail once it finally arrives - or will the rabbit (or penguin) finally win the race?

Wow... (4, Insightful)

GmAz (916505) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249566)

For everyone here that is dogging Vista, you sure are pissed when it gets delayed even more. I would figure that you would be loving the fact that Microsoft is pushing it farther and farther back. It sure seems like you guys can't wait for it to be here. I say when it gets here, it gets here.

'Cept that it's probably a deliberate strategy. (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249611)

Employed many times by MS: viz. "Don't switch to FOSS/Mac/Whatev because there's a big great new system coming out any day/month/decade now"

Re:Wow... (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249673)

For everyone here that is dogging Vista, you sure are pissed when it gets delayed even more.

Yeah, but what about those of us dodging it? (More Vista delays, more chances for Linux and ReactOS! :) )

Better late (2, Insightful)

Paralizer (792155) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249570)

than ridiculously full of bugs. If they rush a product that isn't ready it would generate even worse publicity than constantly delaying it. It's done when it's done (tm). Inevitably (for those of you who don't like MS), it's still going to have a heaping pile of flaws, but hopefully not as many. No one wants another Windows ME.

Re:Better late (3, Insightful)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249719)

You underestimate Microsoft's ability to push out a product that is both late AND hideously full of bugs.

Re:Better late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249760)

>>No one wants another Windows ME

No, no one does, but Win ME wasn't crap particularly because it was rushed, it was crap because all the talent that had developed Windows 2000 was now busily engaged properly finishing it - i.e.- working on Whistler/WinXP. WinME was a dead end product by design, and treated accordingly.

If anyone actually expected MS to be on time... (3, Interesting)

AriaStar (964558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249571)

...clearly you aren't familiar with their history of being a pain in the ass. As soon as Leopard comes out, I'm going Mac.

Re:If anyone actually expected MS to be on time... (2, Informative)

raider_red (156642) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249706)

Why wait? Mac OS X Tiger already has all the features that are supposed to be in Vista.

Re:If anyone actually expected MS to be on time... (1)

AriaStar (964558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249758)

Because if waiting a few more months means getting what's the most up-to-date, then that's what I will do. If nothing new was planned, I'd get it now. I'm going to get a MacBook Pro.

Cue MS trolls (5, Funny)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249580)

"It's not THAT late."

"Still better than Linux"

"It's only because MS is so far ahead already; they feel no need to rush their product out the door."

"This time they'll get the security issues right."

"Damned if they do, damned if they don't. You Linux advocates complain no matter what; admit that this way they'll avoid the bugs!"

"It's Windows! It's the biggest project anywhere! 3 million lines of code! And it's Vista, the biggest upgrade yet! What's a few months between friends? Vista is WAY bigger than any Linux distribution!"

"Microsoft has to be enterprise ready. Linux is for dweebs and nerds. Of course Windows has a longer release cycle; that's 'cause its better"

"It's not fair; if MS didn't have to deal with all these vindictive, nerdy hackers, Windows wouldn't take so long to develop. Imagine if Apple or Linux had to deal with these black hat hackers."

"We're MS. The Volume Goes to 11 Here."

Did I miss any?

Re:Cue MS trolls (1)

hwangeruk (910652) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249644)

That's a very mature comment. Some of us are non advocates. I love my Linux machines, I love my OpenBSD firewall, but I also like my XP box full of Visual Studio and Dotnet yumminess. Pointing out facts or liking something you don't like isn't trolling. If you read most of the posts to this story, its mostly people slaggin MS off for not being able to manage the relase, or people pissed cos they can't get Vista when they wanted it. Why moan about it being late if you love Linux so much? And its not like Linux has never had a delay in a kernel release. A certain degree of growing up needs to happen in the slashdot mobs. But I don't see it happening in my lifetime. People like you sound like the game console advocacy kids. I just buy all of them. :-)

If Leopard with a Windows API comes out first... (2)

mrraven (129238) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249590)

...perhaps Micro$ofts goose will finally get good and cooked like they have deserved for so long.

Who cares? (4, Insightful)

g0at (135364) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249612)

No, really, who cares? Are there people clamoring to get their hands on this new OS ASAP (WTF BBQ) and who will be extremely put out if it is not available until later on in the future? My question for these people is: what will this new OS do for you that isn't true right now?

And as a side note, I am really bloody tired of reading stories about things that "analysts" think. "Joe Analyst issues a note to Judy Analyst, under the table, in the back of the classroom. Investors giggled to themselves and rubbed their index fingers together..."

-b

Obvious it will be delayed again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249645)

It is pretty obvious it will be delayed again. The last delay was pretty clever: it moved the release date into another year. Whil the excuse of it really being ready in december 2005 but not in stores yet made it sound less bad. People having "2007" in their heads for release of Vista gives Microsoft room to delay it "just a few more months" and then some more ;-)

Re:Obvious it will be delayed again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15249698)

I meant december 2006 ofcourse.. All those dates since the original 2003 release date confuse me ;-)

MS Windows Forever? (0, Redundant)

uberjoe (726765) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249651)

These guys should take a page from the Duke Nukem people and redesign their website to feature a picture of Bill Gates holding a gun at the camera and snarling "When It's done Bitch!"

Gartner is not shipping windows (2, Insightful)

Jfarro (219817) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249653)

The headline is kinda sensationalist...Gartner is projecting that MS won't ship Vista based on the released data of beta2...pure speculation on thier part based on how Win2k's cyle worked...

sorry, but nothing to see here...

Trainwreck! (4, Insightful)

MCSEBear (907831) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249656)

Is there anyone left who does not think that Windows Vista is a big long drawn out trainwreck. A project that has to be delayed over and over and over and over. Compare this to the development of the OS they copy. Apple has shipped product over and over.

If you can't manage to ship one of the two products you make all your money on, what does that say about the management of Microsoft?

Re:Trainwreck! (0, Troll)

DigitlDud (443365) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249688)

Maybe they're more concerned about the long-term and shipping a quality product?

In the words of Nelson (1)

Enrique1218 (603187) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249686)

Ha-ha!

Rush job? (5, Insightful)

fortunato (106228) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249690)

Personally I don't understand why anyone would even consider touching this before its been out for at least a few months if not a year. It's quite apparent they are trying to rush this thing out the door. I'll be highly surprised if it isn't one huge bug infested mess. I certainly wouldn't want to depend on it for anything.

This just in! (4, Funny)

Slithe (894946) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249703)

Microsoft announced, in a (very) recent press release, some of the exciting technlologies in Windows Vista. Apparently, the aging NT kernel has been scrapped, and the new Windows kernel will use a combination of the GNU/Hurd and the L4 microkernel to power its next-gen operating system. While desktop users might not care about what is under the hood, they will be amazed at the next-gen Windows desktop, which uses the E17 shell. Gamers of the world will rejoice, because Microsoft has replaced the venerable MS Solitaire card game with Duke Nukem: Forever. In a possible attempt to squash threats from the World Wide Web (again), Microsoft has leveraged Udanax infrastructure to provide 'transclusion' technologies. This will surely be the greatest Windows Operating System ever, if not the greatest Operating System ever!

Delay, but where? (1)

ivoras (455934) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249714)

For a mass-market product such as Vista, three months is probably the time it takes to print the CD-s and move the enormous quantity of product boxes/packages to mom&pops computer stores everywhere. So, have they started printing CD-s just now?

is vista the operating system equivalent (1)

atarione (601740) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249733)

of Duke Nukem Forever???

oh wait, I guess not

it's shaping up more to be like windows ME 2007 ...or 8 hard to say yet.

I can hardly wait to be DRM'd to death by this new OS.....no really..... actually i'm very sad that all the corp win2k users haven't been able to presuade m$ to bring more of the security enhancements from XP SP2 and IE7..etc to 2k...

Give my choice i'd rather just run 2k ....... the first thing i do with XP is turn off all the BS and try to make it as much like 2k as possible anyway.

Duke Nukem Forever: Vista Edition (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249751)

And in other news, Duke Nukem Forever pushes back the release of their Vista version by another year due to these concerns.

Blah Blah Blah... (1)

airider (728197) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249755)

Blah, blah, blah...in other news we have the same stories with different names and countries regarding bloodshed, human rights violations, corruption and many others we've seen for the last three millenia. Microsoft's delays along with the rest of these stories should NOT be shocking to anybody anymore...

Give it up... (5, Insightful)

tymbow (725036) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249768)

I'm a bit of a Microsoft fanboy but personally I think they should just give up on Vista. It's a trainwreck of a project and I can see another Windows ME in the making. I can't see many compelling reasons to deploy this in an existing environment. It's (for the most part) just a Windows XP clone with a few new features with a pretty UI and steep hardware requirements.

Microsoft should take all the half decent features out of Vista, back port them to Windows XP and call it Windows XP Service Pack 3 or Windows XP R2 then site down and have a good long think before they try this again.

It's about time Microsoft seriously thought about re-architecting their operating system from the ground up. If we can get Windows applications running under Linux with WINE, then surely Microsoft can get Windows applications running under some new operating system thus satisfying the backwards compatibility requirements. There are far too many issues with Windows appearing that are grounded in its architecture such as reduced privileges which is difficult to make work because Windows is not truly multi-user etc. etc. etc.

Give it up, start again and do it properly.

Gartner (1)

fabu10u$ (839423) | more than 8 years ago | (#15249769)

from the redux-redux dept.
I think that should be "from the we-swear-we're-really-not-their-lap-dog" dept.
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