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Will Yahoo! Go Be the Next Media Bridge?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the not-one-i-would-use dept.

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wh0pper writes "Digital Trend has an interesting take on Yahoo! Go. With Yahoo's acquisition of Meedio, Yahoo! Go will be in the position to be everyones media bridge. With Yahoo!'s intended arrival in the TV environment, it aspires to become the user's guide to all media." From the article: "This would appear to be the worst of nightmares for traditional PayTV operators. Suddenly, they become part of a Yahoo!-defined walled garden of sorts, hidden behind the Yahoo!-branded user interface and reduced to a simple pipe that delivers broadcast television. Without their own proprietary IPG being used, how can they sell pay-per-view and VOD movies?"

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Yahoo copying again... (2, Funny)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250156)

Clearly Bittorrent is their worst nightmare already... Yahoo is one step behind on this one.

Re:Yahoo copying again... (2, Insightful)

FOSSguy (971853) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250336)

Clearly Bittorrent is their worst nightmare already... Yahoo is one step behind on this one.

It's only their worse nightmare because all they have is nightmares. "Two left feet and ugly shoes" is where the entertainment industry is at right now!

Wake up media industry folks, we don't want your dead business model! Frankly, if Yahoo! is their second worst nightmare, then that's a pretty good start from where I'm sitting. More power to Yahoo! on this one!

Re:Yahoo copying again... (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250923)

Yahoo! can't! win! this! one! Do! you! know! how! annoying! the! exclamation! point! every! time! you! type! it! is!?

Re:Yahoo copying again... (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251176)

Yahoo itself is a nightmare. They're good a concepts, but the execution sucks. Yahoo Messenger is without a doubt the buggiest piece of shit I've ever used. Their games are riddled with flaws and bugs. Their support fucking terrible. I pray that this tanks along with the rest of that miserable company.

Re:Yahoo copying again... (1)

clydemaxwell (935315) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252789)

I don't like a lot of Yahoo's services, but I have to admit they offer some of the best web games available.
I've also had zero problems with their messenger, but it's been a while since I've used it. Now I use gaim or trillian to conserve taskbar real-estate :P

The real question is this: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15250164)

If Yahoo! can matrix sticky niches and incentivize impactful interfaces it will surely optimize intuitive synergies amongst its users and global b2b partners. After that, they can scale next-generation systems and transition cross-platform deliverables. After that, it's money in the bank, baby.

Re:The real question is this: (3, Funny)

FOSSguy (971853) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250349)

If Yahoo! can matrix sticky niches and incentivize impactful interfaces it will surely optimize intuitive synergies amongst its users and global b2b partners. After that, they can scale next-generation systems and transition cross-platform deliverables.

OMG OMG PONIES!!! i'M AN VULTURE FUNDING GUY and OMG this is teh GREAT and OMG I want to throw cash! PLS tell me where to throw the CA$H!

Re:The real question is this: (1)

RareButSeriousSideEf (968810) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251847)

Ok, so I didn't RTFA, but is that a verbatim quote? If so, it's amazing, and I'ma have that guy do my next resume, mthnk...

Re:The real question is this: (1)

FOSSguy (971853) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251893)

Ok, so I didn't RTFA, but is that a verbatim quote?

Yes it is a cut/paste, but not from TFA, rather from the poster that I replied to. For some reason he got modded down. Beats me, I'd have modded him "+1 funneh" myself!

It's not that great (2, Informative)

jgartin (177959) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250170)

Yahoo Go seems like a good idea--on paper. The software sucks, though. Anyone who's downloaded it should know what I'm talking about. It can't use my tuner card. The purple hurts my eyes. The menus are just a bunch of text without graphics. The music playback portion seemed to work ok. And, the whole interface was much more responsive than MCE/BeyondTV/anything I've tried for Windows.

Re:It's not that great (1)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250316)

The software sucks

You are absolutely right. I have tried meedio in the past and wasnt impressed. I ended up uninstalling it in a couple of days. I finally settled with http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ [team-mediaportal.com] which is much better in terms of usabilty and features. Also it is opensource

Re:It's not that great (1)

Sporkinum (655143) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250445)

There are a few problems with mediaportal. Fairly steep hardware requirements, and the need to pay the Microsoft tax. If I want to make a DVR/media box, I want to have something I can afford by scrounging the hardware and using free operating systems.

Re:It's not that great (1)

kaufmanmoore (930593) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250369)

I have to agree, I downloaded the Yahoo Go! for TV and while the interface is pretty nice its performance is lackluster. The most glaring thing is that the video quality of live TV is worse than with MCE. It also doesn't include nor does it look like you can get a plug-in to have an audio playlist editor. I'd like to see good competition to MCE, but Yahoo isn't there yet.

Re:It's not that great (1)

Frogmanalien (521225) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252718)

The interface is a bit on the poor side, I can't deny, but I can see the market potential for a program that offers decent video management on my PC. I'm not about to switch OS to MCE in order to get a good video recording program (plus the DRM on the video is very off-putting!), which means currently I'm scripting my recordings- but if someone offered a simple progeram that has series links, easy "one-click" recording, etc. which the likes of Showshifter still manage to mess up, then I'd be all over it.

This is everything!!! (1)

Btarlinian (922732) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250189)

No seriously, from their website (yahoo go! that is), it seems that this is a piece of software that will turn you computer into a dvr and act as a google desktop search sidebar and allow your mobile phone to access media files at yahoo

I don't know if this will take off but it seems like an ok idea

Some caveats though, no support for linux or Mac, and it's probably loaded with DRM.

Or nothing, rather (2, Informative)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250289)

If it did all those things, it would be everything. It doesn't, though.

"it seems that this is a piece of software that will turn you computer into a dvr"
I don't see this on their website, rather, I see instructions on how to connect your computer to your TV so that you can view media on your TV. Anyone with the right video card, TV, and a cable long enough to reach both can do this anyway without installing Yahoo! Go.

"and act as a google desktop search sidebar"
The most important feature in Google Desktop is its Spotlight-like indexing. Again, I don't see this listed as a feature of Yahoo! Go. All Yahoo! Desktop really does is bring various Yahoo! online services (contacts, messenger, mail, music) together on one screen. Save the space and your desktop and just use those services online.

"allow your mobile phone to access media files at yahoo"
Firstly, this will only work if you have a Nokia 6 series phone (Yahoo supports no other make/model). You can use "Go Mobile" to access your Yahoo! Contacts, Yahoo! Photos, Yahoo! Messenger and Yahoo! Mail. Anyone who's used WAP on their cellphone will recognize all these as services Yahoo! already offers all cellphone users as online tools.

It's beta software (Re:Or nothing, rather) (1)

MojoStan (776183) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251650)

"it seems that this is a piece of software that will turn you computer into a dvr"
I don't see this on their website, rather, I see instructions on how to connect your computer to your TV so that you can view media on your TV.
Which web page were you looking at? Their Yahoo! Go for TV Beta [yahoo.com] web page has four very visible icons/links: Photos, Video, Music, and DVR [yahoo.com] . When I moused over the DVR icon/link I got:

  • Use the DVR to record TV shows and movies for future viewing.
  • Find what you want to watch with personalized TV listings and customized channel lists.
  • Search TV listings by title, keywords, or names in the cast and credits.
  • Do it all without major start-up costs, set-top boxes or ongoing monthly fees.

Note that Yahoo! announced their purchase of Meedio [com.com] (which provides the DVR funcionality) just two weeks ago, so "beta" might not be a good description (alpha?).

"and act as a google desktop search sidebar"
The most important feature in Google Desktop is its Spotlight-like indexing. Again, I don't see this listed as a feature of Yahoo! Go.
This part of Yahoo! Go Beta (called Yahoo! Go Desktop) is only partially implemented [yahoo.com] . From that page:
Search , Maps, Address lookup, Mail notifier and thousands more widgets put your Internet on your desktop.
I think the GP incorrectly assumes the "Search" function of Yahoo! Go Desktop will be like Yahoo! Desktop Search [yahoo.com] , which does have the "Spotlight-like" indexing of Google Desktop. However, it appears to be more like the Yahoo! Search Widget [yahoo.com] from Yahoo! Widget Engine [yahoo.com] . The Search Widget appears to be limited to Yahoo! online content.

Re:It's beta software (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252202)

Looks like I stand corrected on the DVR functionality. Of course, it requires a TV tuner for your PC (a $120 piece of hardware) and I hope most TV tuners come bundled with software to handle what they do, though probably not to the extent of Go's TiVo-like capabilities. Any software bundle that requires the user perform a hardware upgrade is probably doomed.

It's a real shame Apple didn't give the space/time/cents to pack something like this in with Mac Mini's FrontRow, Out Of Box DVR would have been a real TiVo killer.

I've heard this before. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15250238)

Yahoo was claiming ten years ago that they were going to be the next media bridge.

It didn't work then, and I don't see any reason why it's going to work now.

Not a bridge (2, Interesting)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250240)

IF you happen to have a Nokia 6 series phone, IF your TV is close enough to your PC that they can be connected, IF you happen to have a video card that uses a connector that matches your TV, IF you don't mind your Windows XP (only) desktop being cluttered with Yahoo's tool...

This isn't a bridge, it's a landfill! If I had all these wonderful pieces of technology, I'd already be able to use them together without needing Yahoo! Go.

Re:Not a bridge (1)

AusIV (950840) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250811)

I agree with the bit about the phone, but your other points aren't very good.

The TV portion of Yahoo! go looks to me to be a free (lower case 'f') alternative to Windows XP MCE. I don't think the idea is for people to think "Hey, that looks like a neat tool, I'll download it and play with it." It's for people who are somewhat serious about starting a media center PC but don't want to spend money on a new system (and you can't buy MCE without hardware because of Microsoft's licensing). I don't get the impression that they're tring to market this to everyone who has a computer, just people who already plan to have a PC near a TV and a video card that can connect to their TV. That said, I'm keeping my MythBox.

As far as the PC portion of Yahoo! Go, I actually find the Yahoo! Widget Engine (the basis for Yahoo! Go PC) to be a useful application. My desktop isn't cluttered with Yahoo's tool until I press F8. If you lock all of your widgets to the Heads Up Display, you can get the tools to appear quickly when you need them, and then disappear as soon as your done. I'd hardly call it being cluttered with Yahoo's tool. Also, Yahoo's Widget Engine works on Macs as well, not just windows. Yes, Linux gets left out, but there are similar tools available.

Now, how would you use all those wonderful pieces of technology without Yahoo! Go? There are certainly other options, but Yahoo! Go looks to me like it will be a simple way for the average Joe to get more out of their phone, TV, and PC.

It's not free by the time you've started! (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252330)

The website lists the DVR features as though they were things the website user can't already do, which suggests to me that it's assumed the website user doesn't already have the hardware (especially since it provides links to hardware manufacturers). If someone isn't willing to spend money, they may balk at a $120 hardware upgrade (plus shop fitting costs, plus cables). It's not free by the time you've started.

I began using Yahoo! Widget Engine pretty soon after the company bought it from Konfabulator and until I switched to Mac and OS X Tiger, which comes with a nicer copycat tool called Dashboard. It's not the Widget portion of the desktop suite I find cluttering, it's the browser tools and Yahoo! Desktop. Admittedly, I haven't tried the browser tools (but have had to work around and sometimes 'fix' computers that have them installed) but I have in the past tried out Yahoo! Desktop. God knows why. I found it to be a distraction at best. Mostly, it was just clutter.

Re:It's not free by the time you've started! (1)

AusIV (950840) | more than 7 years ago | (#15256675)

I said it was a free alternative to Windows XP MCE, not a 100% cost free way to build a DVR. Yahoo! isn't forcing anyone into building a DVR, they're just providing what looks to be decent software for someone looking to do so.

Re:Not a bridge (1)

jeepnut (887336) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251512)

You have no idea what you are talking about...it is not aimed at people that don't have an HTPC, but the people who do and want a "better" interface. That being said, Yahoo Go! is not a better interface by any stretch.

Seeing as I had Meedio before it was taken by Yahoo and beaten into submission, I would like to comment on how it has changed and why it's useless. First, I preface all this by saying it is still labeled beta and unless they stripped out the customization code (which I highly doubt), it may find its way back in there. In that same breath however, I doubt that they will allow the type of customization Meedio allowed. Customization such as rearranging the menu, adding your own submenus, themes, customizing a certain screen of a theme, editing the library file dbs so you could manually add a field and then build a view to use in a theme. Beautiful things Meedio did. It had a USB-UIRT plugin that worked beautifully with my Harmony Remote and all was well.

Now Yahoo got their grubby paws on it and destroyed. Although the interface itself is indeed faster than Meedio was, the customization is completely gone and as was mentioned, it destroys some functionality.

NOTE: Those yucks at Yahoo must have left registry keys the same as Meedio because Go! destroyed my Meedio install so that I had to do a clean install, and even after that, my weather section is perpetually screwed (I have to find the key or something that is causing it to crash)

For all you out there....I am SURE now that Meedio has stopped releasing new versions, you will be able to find a hacked copy of Meedio out there. I suggest you do and try it out, you'll be impressed. I stress the urgency because the forums and the 3rd party plugin site is still up and running although I don't know for how long. http://www.meedio.com/MAID [meedio.com] and http://www.meedio.com/forum [meedio.com] .

Thanks for screwing up a good thing Yahoo!, yet another reason I will not touch your crap with a 12 foot pole.

It's aimed at people who already have it? (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252373)

You have no idea what you are talking about...it is not aimed at people that don't have an HTPC, but the people who do and want a "better" interface.

Really? The website seems to go to some lengths explain that the user will need to install a $120 TV tuner card to access the DVR functionality you're saying they already have. What's more, further proving my point, it only supports 5 different cards. Of course, if it's only aimed at people who already have one of those 5 cards...

New! Free! This software turns your PC into a DVR! (Requires PC with DVR-like capability.)

Ranks right down there with:

Build your own TV from scratch with our new Build-a-TV maual! And then record television by building your own VCR! All you need is a TV, a VCR, and a few cables!

Re:It's aimed at people who already have it? (1)

walts81 (972528) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253077)

It supports more than 5 tuner cards. It supports every tuner card Meedio supported. The ones listed on the website are merely recommendations. And your argument is ridiculous. Just because you may/or may not have hardware capable of recording tv content to a PC, doesn't make the Yahoo! software less purposeful. A Tivo is capable of recording just like a VCR and without a subscription to Tivo, it is basically just that. However, with a subscription to Tivo, it does much more than what a VCR will. Yahoo's software does the same. The only difference is, Yahoo won't be selling the hardware. But the software does a lot more than just record TV anyway. So you make it pretty obvious that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Re:It's aimed at people who already have it? (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#15253765)

You say:

It supports more than 5 tuner cards... you make it pretty obvious that you haven't a clue what you're talking about .

Contrary to your provocative comment, Yahoo says:

To use the DVR features in Yahoo! Go for TV, you will need one of the supported TV tuner cards
...
Use our Shopping List to make sure you get the right card. We currently support these tuner cards:
1.) ATI TV Wonder Elite
2.) ATI HDTV Wonder
3.) AverMedia UltraTV 1500 MCE
4.) Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-USB2
5.) NVIDIA DualTV MCE

One pretty huge difference that you don't mention is, Yahoo's software isn't even capable of recording without the $120 hardware upgrade. And then if you want to make it really useful, you'll also want a USB remote control. Everything else the "for TV" software does can be done anyway. Back in my old apartment, I hooked up my TV to my computer (I have a TV out connector on the video card) and watched trailers, vodcasts, music videos on my TV. What's really impressive is I managed to do it all without Yahoo! Go. How on earth did I accomplish such a feat? My computer was right by the TV - I had mouse and keyboard at hand.

Again, this software does nothing special. With its requirement listings, it fails as a bridge. As separate software components, none of this impresses me any more than FrontRow.

Meedio forever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15250244)

Meedio was an amazing peice of software. Hopefully yahoo keeps it going.

Plugins were the heart of meedio and hopefully yahoo embraces them.

How long before they become a label. (4, Interesting)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250246)

With Apple, Microsoft, Google and Yahoo all pushing heavlily on the media market and trying to deliver new distribution methods I wonder how long it will be before one of them cuts out the RIAA entirley and starts signing up artists directly.

It makes sense if you ask me, plus it would give them leverage over the industry.

Re:How long before they become a label. (1)

Zouden (232738) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250529)

I would love for this to happen. I would even prefer a "Microsoft Records" to Sony Records, if only because of the competition with "Google Records" et al.

At the moment all the record labels are in a cartel so they're (essentially) free to fix prices and treat artists like dirt.

Re:How long before they become a label. (1)

Dios (83038) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250912)

I sincerely think this is the next 'paradigm shift' in the entertainment industry. Basically artists make a deal with a distributor directly, getting rid of all the middle men/distribution layers/etc. Of course, for the small artist this could be tough (no big advertising budget), but for a small growing band gives them a chance to sell locally, pay for advertising as they go, instead of indebting theirselves to Big Monkey for upteen records/years.

Re:How long before they become a label. (1)

nugneant (553683) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251539)

Didn't Apple already sign the Beatles?



--
(PROTIP: The above was a joke)

Why assume the risk? (1)

jschottm (317343) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251883)

I wonder how long it will be before one of them cuts out the RIAA entirley and starts signing up artists directly.

In a sense, they already are - there are already a bunch of self funded artists available on iTunes, Napster, etc. One of my buddies is available on virtually every electronic download/streaming service. I think his most recent count was around $12 after over a year.

The artists selling thousands of tracks are virtually all recorded and marketed at great expense. The public (and the money) follow what's presented to them. The charts on the unlimited music services (Napster, Rhapsody, et al) show that even when it doesn't cost a penny more to go exploring, the vast majority of the people stick with marketed music (even if it's what they hear in Starbucks rather than on MTV).

A really good recording session is not cheap. Shooting a video is not cheap. Marketing an artist is not cheap. For every artist that goes big and sells a million copies, there's dozens that fail. That's part of the recording business, and that's part of what the record labels deal with.

Consider for a moment - you can let someone else do the hard work and assume the risk and personally make five cents off of every track sold (and no matter who come out on top, someone's going to sell a bunch of tracks - you don't have to care who it is), or front the money for the recording, the promotion, all in hopes of making 70 cents per track. Now, also take into consideration that choosing artists and marketing them is far outside of your core competency (do you really want the guy that came up with with the Ellen Feiss campaign chosing what music should be recorded? Or Steve "Developers!" Balmer?). Why assume the risk, when someone else is willing to do so and let you skim a few cents off of millions of sales instead?

Remember, most businesses that expand from doing one thing really well into completely different markets tend to do really, really badly (MS and the Xbox are an exception to this, but MS also has a gajillion bucks to dump into projects. But they've not done very well in expanding other new markets). Google and Yahoo are all about finding and delivering digital content, not creating it. And Apple is all about facilitating a particular digital experience, specifically consuming it (and to a lesser extent, creating it).

Microsoft and XBOX??? (1)

sd.fhasldff (833645) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252869)

I thought it was fairly well-established that Microsoft has LOST money on the Xbox venture so far. We'll see what happens with the 360, but it's only batting 500 so far. If the PS3 (and, to a much lesser extent, the Wiiiiii) is perpetually delayed or otherwise uncompetitive, Microsoft stands to make a bundle. Time will tell on that score.

Plus, I'm not convinced it's that far from their core compentency (and I'm trying REALLY hard not to make any jokes about Microsoft, OS/Office and compentency - so bear with me). Microsoft has the OS, the DirectX (including input, sound and graphics) as well as an established game studio. To top it off, they've also made hardware (input devices mostly, plenty of them gaming-oriented) and embedded Windows (OS and hardware). I would hardly call combining all that with a bit of hardware from established vendors much outside Microsoft's core compentency.

Re:Microsoft and XBOX??? (1)

jschottm (317343) | more than 7 years ago | (#15255741)

I thought it was fairly well-established that Microsoft has LOST money on the Xbox venture so far.

That's not the point. As I said, MS has money to burn if they want to. The point is that they were a non-entity in the console world and now they're one of the top players.

I would hardly call combining all that with a bit of hardware from established vendors much outside Microsoft's core compentency.

Microsoft has made a lot of money by on Windows and Office. That's a very different world than video game consoles. Completely different distribution system, different market, different model. They make money selling Windows and their position is propped up by the fact that other people writes software for it. With a console, you have to convince people to pay you money to release software on your platform.

And as you noted, they haven't exactly been a financial sucess in the the field.

Every facet of our lives? (3, Funny)

QRDeNameland (873957) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250261)

FTA:

However, this is the first time a system operator (be it a virtual one) has attempted to embrace their users in every facet of their lives.

if (TV == every_facet_of_our_lives) we_are_fucked();

Re:Every facet of our lives? (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250301)

What I want to know is, what does the we_are_effed() function do? Doesn't sound very verbish to me.

Re:Every facet of our lives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15250666)

What I want to know is, what does the we_are_effed() function do? Doesn't sound very verbish to me.

It doesn't do anything. It's on the couch watching TV.

Re:Every facet of our lives? (1)

FuzzyBad-Mofo (184327) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250791)

That's the wonderful thing about the word fuck [wikipedia.org] . It can be used as a verb, noun, adjective, adverb, or interjection!

Re:Every facet of our lives? (1)

daniel_newton (817437) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250380)

how bout:
if every_facet_of_our_lives == [tv]: we_are_doomed()
sorry for some reason it stuck in my head that way

ps. sorry its python i cant remember how to do it in c

Law coming in 3, 2, 1... (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250274)

Or does anyone expect cable TV and the **AA sit and wait?

I bet my rear that as soon as it cuts into their sales and ad income, we'll see heavy lobbying towards some regulation.

*sigh* What happened to good ol' capitalism? Regulations and legal red tape springing up everywhere to protect outdated and obsolete markets. I sometimes wonder if communism finally won.

Re:Law coming in 3, 2, 1... (2, Informative)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250303)

No. Communism, for all its flaws, at least sorta tried to help out the average man. This is what we call propertarianism, the belief that everything should be property. Combines the worst parts of Communism and Capitalism.

Theory and reality (0, Offtopic)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250368)

Yes, in theory Communism was the idea to give to the average man what he needed. In fact, a small ruling class had everything, the majority had little to nothing.

Sounds familiar?

Actually, both systems are, in reality, the same. Capitalism is just harder to see through. In Capitalism, you have that dangling carrot that keeps telling you, if you just work hard enough, you can get up there as well. Bullspit. It's exactly the same shit in both systems. Whether you can't buy anything because it ain't there or because you are already SO deep in debt that you can't afford it makes essentially no difference.

Re:Theory and reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15250533)

why is this marked as troll? WTF? Offtopic, for sure, but these mods, man!

Re:Theory and reality (1)

Kafka_Canada (106443) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251222)

What are you on? I worked hard, and now I can afford what I want. Don't project your failings onto all of society, or worse, some abstract political ideology. Weak.

You don't have to get deep in debt to get a high school education which is all you need for most work, you don't have to get deep in debt to go to a public university which is all you need for most high-paying work, and you don't have to get deep in debt to make a down payment on a house and live in part while renting out the rest to cover your mortgage and other costs. Invest a good chunk of your wages, and in a few years you'll be comfortable, in a few decades you'll be a wealthy retiree, and at some point in between you'll probably vote Republican. Anyone who's able and willing to stay awake and in one place for forty hours a week -- not all that hard, really -- can live better than royalty used to. Hell, you probably can do that on welfare if you're clever.

Just because you're a complete failure, or made bad decisions regarding debt, doesn't make all modes of social organization equal. Learn a little, either by reading or by living, then you can comment.

Re:Theory and reality (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251917)

I'm doing quite well, thanks for your concern. But I'm becoming more and more the exception, not the rule.

Debt isn't necessarily something you can avoid. Sure, my pity is very limited with people who buy every kind of junk without care and running so deeply into the debt mine that they can't find a way out again. But there are actually a lot of people, and their number is growing, who cannot even earn enough money to sustain themselves.

Bills of about 500 bucks break people's necks because they can't even scrap together that much. No kidding, there are people filing for bankrupcy because there's positive proof that they will never be able to pay sums that I'd consider ridiculous at best.

So yes, I could enjoy the system and run with it. Hey, it's great for me. I have money, and those peons have to take whatever 4 dollar job is offered to them 'cause they have to TRY to earn some money. But somehow this just ain't right.

Re:Theory and reality (1)

Kafka_Canada (106443) | more than 7 years ago | (#15254026)

You're right, we should all have a million dollars in the bank and not have to take jobs we don't want and still afford to cover all the bills and whatever fun expenses we have. But, in the real world, there's not quite that much wealth. And the socialist solution of cutting everybody down to the lowest common denominator isn't a solution, it makes the problem worse.

A bill of $500 will only break someone's neck if he lives paycheck-to-paycheck because of constant spending on stupid things, or because of complete lack of income, or under very extenuating circumstances. Any responsible adult with a job, even one paying minimum wage, earns more than enough to sustain that kind of surprise cost, and should also be building a nest egg. A somewhat more responsible than average adult can probably make it work (beyond mere subsistence) even on welfare payments.

To get in debt so deep that one can't get out on 40 hrs./week at a low-paying job requires a lot of debt. How does one get that much debt? By spending that huge amount of money. It's enough to cover the basics for years and years, so basically the person was an idiot who spent irresponsibly.

You and I, and countless other people, have enough money that we can look for a better job, but at some point a lot of us didn't have that much money and we had to take the $4/hour job. We responsibly saved enough that we no longer fit that description. Not everybody, but most people, can do the same (and those who can't do that much are generally the people who need our help, and should be essentially outside the whole world of money). The only way in which that "somehow just ain't right" is the way I mentioned at the beginning of this post, where it's a shame we can't all have mansions and yachts and plasma TVs. But back in reality, it seems a lot more reasonable to me than any of the alternatives.

Re:Theory and reality (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15254253)

Getting knee deep into debt? Nothing easier than that. And no, you don't have to blow some huge wads of money you don't have. It's way easier than that.

Build a house. Go ahead and dare. Yeah, you have a job. Well, you're just a normal worker at a normal corporation, nothing spectacular, but you can afford the mortgage.

Now you don't have a job. It's been shipped over to India. You, though, aren't. The problem is, your mortgage doesn't go to India. It stays with you. Now what? No, you don't find a job. Or, well, you could probably (remember, that $4 "want fries with that?" one?). But that mortgage? Dream on.

So house gone. After taxes, fees and other rubbish, there's little left of the money the house got you. Or, better, "refinance" it. I'd rather call it "ripping a bigger hole to stuff a small one", but that's me. This or that way, you're still in debt. With nothing on the horizon to save you.

What now? You've been spending conservatively. You've been watchful about your expenses. You just dared to have a family and try to build a home for it.

Re:Theory and reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15254423)

[low karma prevents me from posting logged in again today ;)]

If you no longer have a fancy job, you can no longer afford a huge mortgage. You still have a number of good options though, none of which involves going knee deep in debt.

If you live in one suite and rent out the rest of your house, in most cases you'll receive enough rent to cover the entire cost of the mortgage, as well as utilities and taxes. Since you could afford a mortgage, you've also put away enough to cover the basic costs of living until you get back on your feet, right? Basics aren't all that expensive, and unless the guy was running up frivolous expenses he should be able to tide himself over between jobs after working full-time for only a few years -- around the same time he thinks of getting a mortgage.

Feeling more adventurous, or without a family to support? Sell the big house and rent a smaller place. That will put a big wad of cash in your hands until you find another job.

The whole point is, if you're no longer at a high-paying job then you can no longer afford some luxuries, and you have to cut back. But you're still not in debt unless you acted like a retard, because responsible people know how to live within their means, even if their means change. Yes, it's a shame there aren't more people who are sufficiently responsible to operate in the adult world, but most are, and find a way to get by under varying circumstances.

Also, even though free markets aren't perfect and the world still has a lot of misery, you still haven't really gotten around to how some other system will do any better. Most people's first idea to solve those problems (socialism) results in a lot more misery and inability to pay one's debts, not less.

Meedio forever (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15250317)

Meedio was an amazing peice of software. Hopefully yahoo keeps it going.

Plugins were the heart of meedio and hopefully yahoo embraces them.

Here today, gone tomorrow. (1)

cmacb (547347) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250367)

I am sick-up-and-fed with Yahoo mergers and co-branding exercises. Their services are here today and gone (or drastically changed) tomorrow. I've had domains through them, pagers, faxing deals, and they all end up useless at some point. They generally do a good job at first, but then they lose interest and the service (like their e-mail) gets dreadfully slow or parts of it stop working, get transferred to some third-party company or just disappear one day without notice.

It used to be that these moves had the same sense a Google or Microsoft moving into and then taking over some new market, but these days it has the feel of desperation to it. Can't develop their own stuff, so just grab onto anything to slow the slide to irrelevance.

Five minutes before seeing this article I was in the process of transferring my last domain from them. Good riddance, almost.

Yahoo can't even update their Macintosh software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15250426)

Hi;

I can't see how they're going to suddenly become A/V experts when they can't get audio and video working now.

Its all well and good, but when can I drop cable? (4, Interesting)

CFD339 (795926) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250497)

I don't mean for direct-tv or a big dish, or broadcast. When can I realistically get my network tv shows, discovery channel, sci-fi channel, and HBO shows via some reasonably friendly interface and get the quality of broadcast sound and video to replace what I'm paying Time Warner for now via this set top shitbox?

iTunes sells a few shows. Yahoo may be doing something. NBC, ABC, and CBS are making some shows available. The quality, picture limitations, speed, and pain in the ass are all still prohibitive for this being workable. iTunes at two bucks a show is at least twice the price it should be, and the other avenues still basically stink.

When I can just buy my network pipe for connectivity and shop for my own content providers for video, music, phone, and whatever else....then I'll be happy.

Re:Its all well and good, but when can I drop cabl (1)

infosec_spaz (968690) | more than 7 years ago | (#15254806)

Well...Verizon has FIOS, which delivers up to 30 mbps internet conneciton, as well as TV, DVR, and whatever else. That would break the cable companies ties...If you were in their coverage area. Seems that everytime some company comes out with some great whopper techno stuff, it is only available in remote corners of some town no-one has heard of. Why not make it available to EVERYONE!!! Sorry...Rant off.

Typo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15250541)

I think they meant to say, hidden behind the Yahoo!-branded user interface and reduced to a simple pipe dream that delivers broadcast television.

HTPC not ready for prime time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15250544)

HTPCs are clunky, difficult to setup and expensive. Even Apple realizes this as they only put extremely limited funtionaltiy in their Front Row software. I'm betting the average joe is going to stick with his cable company/satellite provider.

Yahoo7.com.au (1)

Matt_R (23461) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250604)

Yahoo recently partnered [yahoo7.com.au] with one of Australia's three TV networks, Ch 7. I'm not sure what they're planning on doing with it - MSN and Channel 9 did a similar thing [ninemsn.com.au] years ago and I don't really understand why, as they haven't done anything interesting with it.

Farewell, myHTPC... er, Meedio. (3, Insightful)

GreyDuck (192463) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250689)

First came myHTPC, a clunky but serviceable bit of software which allowed me to run music playlists and (more importantly) watch anime fansubs on my (moderately) large television and (again, more importantly) listen to them on my nice audio system in the living room, all controlled by something like ATI's Remote Wonder.

Then came Meedio, which we had to pay for (and I did, gladly) but reduced the clunk-factor by (let's pick an arbitrary fraction) 2/3 and did a much better job of playing nice with the remote control hardware available to me at the time, namely the aforementioned Remote Wonder as well as Creative's LiveDrive IR remote.

Over the weekend, on a whim, I selected "Check for updates" and, hello? "A new update is available. Visit www.meedio.com to download." Righto! And yet... no. Yes, there's a 1.41 release. No, you can't have it (from regular channels, anyway; thank the gods for Google, natch). Now it's Yahoo! Go, a slick, useless lump based on a fair portion of Meedio's code but without any of the configuration capability (short of hand-editing the XML, which... um, no?) and, by the way, no apparent support for reading tags in music files. But hey, it's free!

I won't say "I want my thirty-five bucks back," 'cause I don't, and I'm generally pleased with my Meedio experience. I am, however, deeply chagrined that things have taken a turn for the blah.

Oh, by the way: If your current Meedio version reads Ogg Vorbis tags correctly, DON'T hunt down the 1.41 upgrade. Updating broke Vorbis tag reading on my system...

Lemme get this straight. (1)

Allnighterking (74212) | more than 7 years ago | (#15250759)

The backbone owners are holding Yahoo hostage looking for them to pay for access to cusomters. Then Yahoo moves into a position where they can hold the backbone owners hostage if they want to be able to have data to deliver to their customers.

head hurts............

Disintermediate (1)

DreamerFi (78710) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251498)

In the past, every time a "traditional" distribution method was upset and replaced, it was because the new one took out at least one intermediate.

"we want to be the replacement intermediate" is a businessplan destined for failure.

Short answer? (1)

RareButSeriousSideEf (968810) | more than 7 years ago | (#15251590)

No.

The "Next Media Bridge" will be an ever morphing compendium of little bridgelets - producers of content serving it directly to their audience. Zero hour feedback, high-touch, closer audience relationship is all going to come into play here, and having a Big Neon Brand playing matchmaker will become a drag in time.

Next...!

Red Hot Poker (1)

bratwiz (635601) | more than 7 years ago | (#15252564)

Well, I for one will revel in considerable glee while some content-providers that are too full of themselves and over-price the crap out of their content-- get reamed up the butt with a red-hot poker. And I hope Yahoo! takes their time and gives it to them slowly for all the torqueing they've given us over the years. That said, I hope Yahoo! doesn't become the new boss, same as the old boss. We _could_ get fooled again.

IPG? (1)

Alsee (515537) | more than 7 years ago | (#15257010)

IPG?
WTF is IPG?
IIRC TFA was liek ICTYBTIHTKY. BTW & FYI SOP I ReRTFA JIC PEBKAC (AKA ADD). AFAICS TFA is SNAFU N/T SOL. OMGWTFBBQ is IPG?? FWIW my SWAG it's RE: guide? Linky TLA FAQ || HHGTTG W/answer ASAP. TIA.

kthxbye

OB: P.S.
BYOB RHPS BDSM AYBABTU IANAL BSOD QED

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