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10 Years of Neon Genesis Evangelion

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the get-in-the-robot-shinji dept.

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smooth wombat writes "Mainichi Daily News has a lengthy, multi-part article on the history of Neon Genesis Evangelion. The article looks back at the 10 years since Evangelion appeared and how it changed the world of manga." From the article: "In a series of 26 episodes, Evangelion told the story of a 14-year-old boy called Shinji Ikari, who piloted a biomechanical combat robot called an Evangelion, which fought against mysterious extraterrestrial monsters known as Angels. But Shinji was also a regular junior high school pupil, and his school life featured strongly in the anime's plot too. As did psychotherapy and the Old Testament, which director Hideaki Anno attributed as influences while creating the series. Evangelion become a huge hit across Japan, attracting fans across generations, sparking a massive public debate over its controversial final episode -- which many criticized for leaving the work unfinished -- and sparking unprecedented merchandising sales that set the scene for the current manga market."

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manga sucks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271644)

way too much tentacle rape

Re:manga sucks (1)

Angstroem (692547) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271749)

Then go for Manga, not Hentai.

Re:manga sucks (4, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271825)

way too much tentacle rape you misspelled "not enough".

Apple users... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15272039)

...enjoy watching tentacles raping other men's anuses. They disgust me.

Congratulations! (4, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271645)

Two of my friends collected all of these DVDs--yes, I realize there's cheaper unlicensed versions that are possibly of lower quality. One Saturday (with nothing else to do) we watched them all from morning to night.

I couldn't believe they had spent the ~$30 per 4 episodes [amazon.com] to collect this set!

If you don't care about spoilers or have seen all the episodes and movies, check out the Wiki page on it [wikipedia.org] . That has the best definitive analysis of this series that I've ever read. I know that since I am not a native Japanese speaker, I probably missed a lot of this implied meaning just by being preoccupied with reading the subbed script. I honestly always predicted something very Freudian about every relationship in the series but I think it was just because of the father figure and strange emotions that were sometimes appearant.

There's not much I can say without ruining any plot so I believe I'll hold my tongue.

Yes the episodes were good but I don't agree with:
...sparking a massive public debate over its controversial final episode -- which many criticized for leaving the work unfinished...
That's both ridiculous and preposterous! The episode completely wrapped up and
Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations!

Re:Congratulations! (4, Informative)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271663)

the whole series remastered on DVD is now 50 bucks and you can find it much cheaper. This is why I NEVER buy DVDs when they first come out, especially anime which is always extreamly overpriced to take advantage of the screaming more money than they know what to do with sex deprived otaku out there.

Re:Congratulations! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271786)

I never buy anime because I hate how there is never a single "definitive" edition -- something with all the extras of the all the previous editions.

Again, it's the fucking otaku who relish buying the same thing over and over again so they can get a t-shirt or a keychain or some fan service footage. These same idiots then wonder why anime isn't mainstream in the US the way it is in Japan.

Re:Congratulations! (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271903)

Well to be quite honest it isn't that mainstream over there either. Its a bit more popular than it is here, but not by much and not nearly as much as Otaku like you to believe, much like in the US most anime is on less than mainstream channels usually late at night as well as very frequently bought on DVD.

Manga on the otherhand is a lot more popular there than it is here and its a lot more accepted for adults to be reading it there, but then its the same for comics here too which don't have a mainstream adult audience either and I think our culture just generally doesn't accept manga or comics as anything more than a kids/young adults thing, while books are more popular here.

Re:Congratulations! (1)

semifamous (231316) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271751)

I think the most annoying thing about the ending was the repeated "I'm ME!"

?????

What's up with that?
Of course you're you. You're also annoying.

Re:Congratulations! (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271769)

You can get the whole series ("Platinum Edition" - remastered, with none of the stupid "digital paint" text translations) in a boxset for about $80 CDN (~US$72 or something) now.

a permenant mind f*ck (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271781)

if you really want to mess yourself, or some of your friends up, do what we did. Start at 7PM, get a group of whoever you can find in the dorms, and watch straight through... all of Neon genesis Evangelion, and then Lain [angelic-trust.net] . Guaranteed mind f*ck.

By the way that's not the end of Evangelion. There were 2 full-length movies. The first (End of Evangelion) was basically a re-hash of the series, very little new content. The second is "Death and Rebirth" which was Hideko Anno's response to people complaints about episodes 25 and 26. The movie was disturbing and confusing, I won't spoil it, find an anime store and rent it. You haven't finished Evangelion till you've seen Death and Rebirth.

Re:a permenant mind f*ck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271843)

Tack Texhnolyze on there as well. Done largely by the same people as Lain, so you should know what you're in for.

Re:a permenant mind f*ck (2, Insightful)

carbontetra (952283) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271895)

I beg to differ. Death and Rebirth was basically the creator going "What, you didn't like my ending? FINE. HERE. Everyone dies and is miserable, you happy now?" The ending of the anime was fine as is, if you bothered to think about it. I highly reccomend ignoring the two movies that followed it.

Re:a permenant mind f*ck (1)

BakaHoushi (786009) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271957)

I haven't seen the movies for that precise reason. Personally, I was shocked that people didn't like the ending to the series. I loved it. Really, the series was more about how these characters thought and acted than it was about giant robots and Biblical references (IMHO, anyway).

But then again, I also actually liked Shinji, so I know I'm in the minority. (Sure, he did complain a lot, but I consider going from lonely schoolboy to robot pilot fighting to save the human race with little say in the matter to be a fairly good reason to complain.)

Re:a permenant mind f*ck (3, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272106)

Could never stand Shinji. But the point of Shinji, as I saw it, was that he's the part every geek hates about himself. I frequently wanted to punch Shinji because his continuous weakness hit way too close to home. Would I go pilot the giant robot? HELL YEAH! Would I dare even try to talk to Ayanami? Nope. I'd go to pieces. Melt into yellow goo twenty episodes early.

So I scream at Shinji for his pathetic weakness when he runs away from having to pilot Eva, because I can't scream at his weakness in dealing with Rei, Asuka and Misato...

Re:a permenant mind f*ck (3, Informative)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271901)

The first (End of Evangelion) was basically a re-hash of the series, very little new content. The second is "Death and Rebirth" which was Hideko Anno's response to people complaints about episodes 25 and 26.

Other way round. Death and Rebirth was a clip-show of the series, followed by the first half of End of Evangelion (Air). EoE was the full alternate ending, consisting of some awesome battles followed by a brainfuck.

Re:a permenant mind f*ck (1)

commander_gallium (906728) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271917)

You have End of Evangelion and Death and Rebirth switched.

Death is the rehash, and End is the... well, end.

Re:a permenant mind f*ck (1)

SirTalon42 (751509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271937)

You actually have the movies backwards. End of Evangelion is the ending/alt-ending/other of the series. Death from Death & Rebirth was a retelling of the series, and Rebirth was the first half of End of Evangelion.

End of Evangelion is rather twisted, which is rather obvious from the very first scene and words. Anyone that has seen it knows specifically what I'm talking about.

oops (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271986)

reversed the names on the moves. Guess that means its time to watch them again :)

Re:Congratulations! (1)

tenchiken (22661) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271931)

Are you kidding? Some of us bought EVA when it first came out at 29.99 per two episodes on VHS. (It was only 19.99 if you got it subbed...)

Huh? (2, Interesting)

IAmTheDave (746256) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271671)

I understood about two words of that. Anyone else just not that impressed with Manga and Anime in general? I feel that I'm doing an injustice to my geek heritage, but I just don't appreciate it like some do.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271719)

How is this insightful? If there was an article about Linux and I said "What's the deal with Linux? I just don't get it. I feel I'm not a true geek 'cause I don't," I would be modded down as offtopic. So what's the deal here? Nothing against the guy, but why is his opinion insightful?

Re:Huh? (2, Funny)

IAmTheDave (746256) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271755)

So what's the deal here? Nothing against the guy, but why is his opinion insightful?

You've got me... I was just looking for some solidarity ;)

Re:Huh? (3, Insightful)

torchdragon (816357) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271746)

Not all Anime is good. In fact, I'd go out on a limb and apply the 80/20 rule to it. Fortunately, NGE is part of the 20% that isn't crap. Is about big robots? Not really. You have to think a little harder about that. Is it about aliens? Not really. Can it really be described in a summary without giving it all away? Eesh, probably not. I *thumbs up* this anime specifically, but I don't think you can generalize about NGE and anime any more than you could generalize about most everything else. All governments suck because of African warlords? All TV is crap because of The Simple Life? Nah. Unfortunately there are still some things in this world that require some personal research.

Blasphemy! (2, Funny)

servognome (738846) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271763)

Anyone else just not that impressed with Manga and Anime in general? I feel that I'm doing an injustice to my geek heritage, but I just don't appreciate it like some do.

Can't you see how NGE completely changed anime! It brought a new and inspired story line of a teenage kid with social problems battling aliens in a giant robot... innovative ideas that had never been examined before!
Err wait... I guess I'm with you, anime is just like any other genre/media, there are a few great pearls of human insight, but in general its mass marketed garbage.

Re:Huh? (3, Interesting)

theJML (911853) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271776)

Honestly, my main reason for liking Anime (some atleast, not all... it is a rather broad spectrum you know) is that it's not American TV. It's not crappy re-runs, it's not "reality tv" which sucks the perverbal donkey, nor is it overhyped "funny" shows that aren't that funny. It is what it is and it's different. The perspectives on issues are different, the way it's drawn is different, the plot and humor is different, etc. It's like drinking a glass of soda after having nothing but water for years. Sure they're both refreshing, but the soda is more interesting to your palette.

I used to watch a lot of it, I still watch a decent amount when taken in a percentage to the amount of TV/movies I watch, but in the end I it's because I end up choosing the Anime, it wasn't forced on me.

Re:Huh? (1)

Programmer_In_Traini (566499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271977)

Hum... well... I'm a lot into animes too but I have to tell you that I think you are dead wrong when you say that animes dont carry the same popular crap & cliches that american shows do.

It is in fact a huge nippon pop culture invasion on the american land. what i mean is, this is to japan as what jerry springer is to america.

Mangas are the pulse of japan, it reflects their values, what they like, dont like...etc.. just like what american shows do here.

I have to agree that it is different, thats what i like about it but i dont kid myself, i know what whenever I watch something like this, I'm filling my mind with the same crappy quality as if I'd be watching survivor or whatever other american show.

Re:Huh? (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272098)

I have to agree that it is different, thats what i like about it but i dont kid myself, i know what whenever I watch something like this, I'm filling my mind with the same crappy quality as if I'd be watching survivor or whatever other american show.
What if you were watching Twin Peaks?

Re:Huh? (1)

epiphani (254981) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271836)

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you just havent been properly introduced to it. As with any other medium, there are forms of anime or manga that will appeal to you, and some that will not. Do you like the simpsons? Do you like 24? Do you like Star Trek? Do you like Debbie Does Dallas? Each of these will have parallels in anime, just as they each have parallels in north american media. Simpsons has Family Guy, 24 has CSI, Star Trek has babylon 5 or star wars or firefly. I'm gonna avoid trying to compare anything to Debbie Does Dallas, since I havent actually seen it.

Seriously, tell me what kind of entertainment you enjoy. I have plenty of expoasure to anime, so I can reccomend a large variety. I generally start people with the easier animes, because there is some level of understanding of not only japan, but anime "memes" to handle some of the better (but wierder) versions.

For the totally uninitiated, I dont reccomend neon genesis evangelion. Its a little out there, and can leave people with a bad taste in their mouth if they dont enjoy it. Not all anime is completely insane.

Re:Huh? (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272019)

I'm gonna avoid trying to compare anything to Debbie Does Dallas, since I havent actually seen it.

Desperate Housewives? Or pretty much anything on Cinemax...

Re:Huh? (1)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271837)

I like anime and manga. I just like good anime and manga.

Like "Field of Dreams" Evangelion gets worse every time I see it. The stupid religous references, the gaping plot holes, the third grade technobabble, the expostiton by blunt trauma, and the absolutely inexplicable ending all add up to something I'm ashamed I sat through.

Anyone can flame me all they want, but this is only my opinion.

That series embodies everything that is bad about anime. Give me a Cowboy Bebop over an Evangelion anyday.

Re:Huh? (1)

genner (694963) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271896)

Ok you lost me after you said you didn't like Field of Dreams.
Tell me what color is the sky in your world?

Preference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271839)

Everyone's got their preferences, but Anime's certainly not mainstream, it's definitely geek. Anime has a lot more thought, nuance, and sometimes controversy, behind it than mainstream animated storytelling. All of this provokes thought more than mainstream animations, and appeals more to geeks because of this.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15272038)

Ok Fun fact: Anime is from a French word that means "The Triumph of Style over Substance." Or maybe it means "Big giant robot smash, plus Jesus" I forget which.
  Point is, nothing any motherfucker typed with his thumbs was ever important. Few people know this, but anime scripts are all typed with motherfuckers' thumbs.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15272065)

I am with you brother. But, be careful, anime freaks are very, very defensive about their hobby.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15272075)

Sturgeon's Law applies to everything.

The larger body of work, though, tends to produce more winners -- just no more frequently on a per-work basis.

I really love Berserk, for instance, but that's a series with a killer unresolved cliffhanger, because the anime wasn't picked up for a second season.

Re:Huh? (0, Flamebait)

Rinzai (694786) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272109)

I'm with the poster on this. For fsck sake, it's a cartoon. A long cartoon, but it's still a cartoon. If there's something that Freudian memes ought to be right out of, it's cartoons.

What about that odd relationship between Yogi and Boo-boo? Gay? Incestuous, even? Who knows? But who needs to know, it's a friggin' cartoon, and only a completely over-the-top Socialist would even be looking for subtext!

Besides, everybody looks like Speed Racer was his or her father.

*YAWN*

stuff that matters? (0, Troll)

metasecure (946666) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271677)

does this?

Summarized Plot (5, Funny)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271680)

For those who want the spoilers, here's the summarized plot of Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Shinji: My life sucks, I want to die! :'(
Rei: ...
Asuka: Stupid Shinji.

THE END.

Re:Summarized Plot (1)

doctor_nation (924358) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271756)

Hey, if you're going to summarize from Toastyfrog [toastyfrog.com] , at least give your reference!

Re:Summarized Plot (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271973)

Hey, if you're going to summarize from Toastyfrog, at least give your reference!

Teh wtf? Thumbnail Theatre is back up?

YAAAAY!

Shinji STILL sucks, though.

Re:Summarized Plot (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271802)

You left out:

His Dad: You suck.

a biomechanical combat robot... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271687)

but is it faster than an electric car?

Re:a biomechanical combat robot... (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271834)

but is it faster than an electric car?

Only for about 60 seconds.

Re:a biomechanical combat robot... (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272005)

Only for about 60 seconds.

Later in the series, five minutes. Which started out as what it could do in emergency power-save mode, but ended up what it could do while smashing the crap out of Mass Production Evangelions.

Still not long. I wonder if I could get an S2 unit for my Prius, though?

Seriously... (1, Redundant)

MrChom (609572) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271715)

I love anime, I run a local anime society here in Wales, I even like Evangelion....but seriously....does this REALLY need a /. article?

Re:Seriously... (1)

Intron (870560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271737)

Especially when there are no pictures of Misato.

Re:Seriously... (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271988)

News for Nerds. So I'm going to have to go with "Yes, it did."

Please no more cartoon news (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271722)

When is /. going to grow up and quit covering this nonsense. No adult CARES about these silly cartoons. Grow up guys.

(mod me down if you wish... that doesn't change the truth)

Re:Please no more cartoon news (3, Insightful)

doctor_nation (924358) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271784)

Not truth so much as close-mindedness on your part. A lot of anime has plotlines and characters that put things like 24 or Lost to shame. Watch before you judge- just because you grew up with Walt Disney doesn't mean that all things animated are for kids.

Please no more computer news (2, Funny)

SirTalon42 (751509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271789)

When is /. going to grow up and quit covering this nonsense. No adult CARES about these silly computers. Grow up guys.

(mod me down if you wish... that doesn't change the truth)

Re:Please no more computer news (1)

Virak (897071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272174)

Never; there's no adults on slashdot.

Re:Please no more cartoon news (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271796)

Oh oh, we might as well get "Tonight Show" on cnn cancelled, comedy network abolished, hollywood closed.

Its another form of ENTERTAINMENT man ! And quite impressive and sometimes quite hilarious one indeed !

Maybe it is their "Work too much, be in good diciplinline, tradition" heritage, but japanese can really crack themselves and the audience up with what they do as entertainment.

Some of the mind-bending laughter i had over my whole life were from animes.

You would do better to take a more positive view and try out some of the more prominent anime titles.

Re:Please no more cartoon news (1)

Intron (870560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271995)

"Some of the mind-bending laughter i had over my whole life were from animes."

You've seen Excel Saga.

Re:Please no more cartoon news (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272051)

Nay actually. But ill definitely put it on the list if you give me its full name.

Re:Please no more cartoon news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271809)

"Grow up guys."

Never!

26 Years old and still watching animations of! (Of all types. Japanese, Pixar, etc. Heck, isn't the new Star Wars and Lord of the Rings movies 70% animation anyways?)

Re:Please no more cartoon news (3, Interesting)

trybywrench (584843) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271816)

No adult CARES about these silly cartoons.

Actually, Evangelion didn't start to get really popular in Japan until it was shown in a timeslot that was targeted torwards adults.

Eva is a very intricate and complex series that appeals to adults more than children.

Re:Please no more cartoon news (-1, Offtopic)

szembek (948327) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272117)

I agree. Anime is for kiddies.

Yes, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271728)

...do the computers they use in the anime run Linux? I mean, Pen Pen HAS to be a cousin of Tux!

Re:Yes, but... (3, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271842)

...do the computers they use in the anime run Linux?

The only time we saw a recognisable interface, it looked like MS-DOS. And it had a two-letter dictionary password.

Re:Yes, but... (1)

rabbot (740825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272080)

Most likely Windows...you see how fast that one Angel infected the system!?

All kidding aside, all this talk about Neon Genesis Evangelion makes me want to rewatch the series again.

Thank you Evangelion (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271729)

For creating a generation of anime and video game creators who
  • don't finish the story they started writing
  • just throw in random religious and psychological references and think they have a "deep" story
  • star whiny teenage wimps as the hero of the show

Re:Thank you Evangelion (1)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271906)

Actually, I agree. Anime for the past several years has been in a state of stagnation. Not only is the art style oversimplified (in a lot of cases at least), but hardly anything groundbreaking comes out. Where are the Cowboy Bebops? The Ghost in the Shells?

Re:Thank you Evangelion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271982)

You can't possibly be talking about Xenogears/saga and FF7.

GITS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271738)


This is just yet another person in a giant robot suit anime. It's no different from Gundam, Eureka 7, Big O, or even Power Rangers and Voltron. BORING.

Ghost in the Shell is much better.

Re:GITS (4, Informative)

irritating environme (529534) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271770)

Considering she's 99% cyborg, how is GITS any different than other inside-a-robot animes? It's one of the underlying themes of the series.

Just like evangelion just uses the powerful imagery of mecha as a vehicle of introspection into human psychology.

Dwight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15271822)

Dwight Schrute, is that you?

Re:GITS (1)

Snarfangel (203258) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271866)

GITS, GITS:SAC, and the movies are better cosmetically (music and graphics), more believable, and most important, you actually care what happens to the main character. I wanted Shinji to die as quickly as possible, just to shut up his whining.

Re:GITS (1)

SirTalon42 (751509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271967)

"I wanted Shinji to die as quickly as possible, just to shut up his whining."

I think that was intentionally, especially considering the ending was pretty much a slap in the face.

Re:GITS (2, Informative)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272184)

"Considering she's 99% cyborg, how is GITS any different than other inside-a-robot animes?"

Well... She can't just pop out of her body like a pilot. If she is a Robo-mecha that pretty much anyone else is.

And gits follows a different plot line. 99.9% she is in her own body unless you count her being in cyberspace not.

In a Giant-robo movie. Most of the time the lead character does his thing outside the robot... The conversation... The drama... And then all of a sudden a big baddy arrives in the city to wreck havok and they lead character jumps in his big robot and fights the thing off and then you have the ending scene with the character usually leaving the robot.

In GITS (especially Stand Alone Complex I and II)... You are treated to very dynamic and well thought out plots. Yes there are guys in mechanized suits and the spider robots (tachikoma's) but these are done realistically and not key feature of the plot. Tachikoma's are often thought of as comic humor relief, but during many episodes these robots are contemplating deeper issues like "The Meaning of Life" and what happens to you after you die while the lead characters often kept a more serious down to earth attitudes.

Most of the plots are semi-realistic or believable enough but still "out there" enough to be considered sci-fi. That and the technobabble is kept to a minimum.

Overall I do have some minor complaints about the second series plot direction (but it maybe because the viewer is supposed to be frustrated with the current events), but it is far better than most average Giant-Robot anime.

Re:GITS (2, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271951)

This is just yet another person in a giant robot suit anime.

Yeah, right, troll. Your mum's a giant robot.

Re:GITS (1)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272102)

Media is so redundant these days. I mean, why did they even make Saving Private Ryan when The Longest Day had already been filmed? Why even write Paradise Lost and Paradise Found when the Divine Comedy had already been written?

I'm not saying that Evangelion is a timeless classic, but it's no Voltron. If you get nothing more out of it than "person in a giant robot," you should probably stop watching anything more complicated than romantic comedies.

Nron Genesis Rules (1)

notrub225 (962379) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271742)

I loved that show. I have the DVD. It is the only Manga that I own or really got into. Those EVAs really freaked me out. The ending was pretty lame though in my opinion.

Asuka was ten times as "manly" (1)

Snarfangel (203258) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271758)

...as Shinji.

Er, so I've heard.

Moderations to Show: -1 (Overrated) (5, Insightful)

Rydia (556444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271762)

I don't mean to troll, but I find zero appeal in the show. It falls in the category I call "psuedo-literature," a group which includes works that try so very hard to actually be quality literature, but ironically, trying so hard ruins the whole exercise. The writers for the show obviously through from the start that they were going to write a grand epic; they put enough twists and turns into the plot to get people convinced, even. If it's that complicated, it HAS to be good, right?

Wrong. The quality of a piece of literature isn't in its complexity, it's actually in the simple, easily apparent parts. The complexity adds dimensions to the simple story, but it does not add meaning itself, and often *confuses* meaning by adding extraneous material in the attempt to make "a really cool story."

So that leaves us with Evangelion, admired by hordes and spurned by people who are described by said hordes as "not getting it." Perhaps there's just not that much to get? Perhaps you're adding too much into a reading, because they left so much hanging you constructed around the work? That's not literature. Literature guides your faculties, it doesn't fool them and then expect them to expand things past the breaking point.

To wit, look at shakespeare. Generally, a couple rich people who get in trouble with someone else, and either laugh it off or die. The end. The complexity is internalized in the characters; the plot itself is simple. That is why Shakespeare is Shakespeare, and Evangelion is just another mecha anime.

Re:Moderations to Show: -1 (Overrated) (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271857)

The quality of a piece of literature isn't in its complexity, it's actually in the simple, easily apparent parts.

"Call me Ishmael."

The rest of the book just fills in local detail.

KFG

Re:Moderations to Show: -1 (Overrated) (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271960)

To quote the hippie teacher from Beavis and Butthead: "They say great art is difficult to understand but easy to enjoy"

Followed up by Butthead saying "It's hard, but it's not hard" while looking a copy of the statue of David.

Re:Moderations to Show: -1 (Overrated) (4, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272092)

"So that leaves us with Evangelion, admired by hordes and spurned by people who are described by said hordes as "not getting it." Perhaps there's just not that much to get?"

Frankly, I think you've hit the nail on the head - and I think you'll probably be crucified on /. for it.

I've got to admit I wasted a few hours of my life watching Evangelion recently, after hearing so much about it from a couple friends. Here's my impressions of the series:

Start of series
Producer: "Hey, let's make an anime about mecha! That always sells!
Writer: "Great idea!"

Roughly halfway through the series
Producer: "This really isn't very good - let's turn it into a mystical/psychological story!"
Writer: "Great idea!"

Three episodes before the end
Producer: "I have no idea how to wrap this up - let's get totally hammered for the next few weeks!"
Writer: "GREAT IDEA!!"

Re:Moderations to Show: -1 (Overrated) (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272171)

You know if you replaced "Great Idea!!" with "Brilliant!!!" you'd have a Guiness commercial...

Final Episode (1)

Tmack (593755) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271772)

It reminded me alot of the end of Kubrick's 2001. Alot of weird cutscenes and other stuff that didnt flow much with the rest of the series, other than Shinji's constant whining about his meaningless life. The only thing the final episode seemed to accomplish was his breakthrough in finding meaning and definition for his life, which was completely distracted from the main plot (destroying the Angels with the Eva's). I heard that the Evangelion movie (possibly more than 1?) that he made after the end of the series cleared up alot more, but I have yet to see it/them. My brother had the whole series 5+ years ago, and I was supprised to see it just now aired on Cartoon network.

Tm

Re:Final Episode (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271880)

I heard that the Evangelion movie (possibly more than 1?) that he made after the end of the series cleared up alot more, but I have yet to see it/them.

Ahahahaahahahahahahahahaha hah hahahaha!

No.

But go ahead. Pick up The End of Evangelion and watch it if you like. Feel free, go right ahead. It makes even less sense than the original ending, but before it goes entirely bananas there are some supremely cool mecha battles.

let me be the first to sing... (0, Redundant)

munehiro (63206) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271795)

Zankoku na tenshi no tezeee....

and on the other side... (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271858)

flyyyyyyy me to the moooooon and let me siiiiiiiing amongtst the staaaars

And on the OTHER other side... (1)

SirTalon42 (751509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271989)

Now its time... I fear to tell I've been holding it back so long...

It all returns to nothing... (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272025)

... it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down...

Re:and on the other side... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15272097)

PLEASE don't sing that song. I have three Evangelion CDs. On those three CDs, there are _15_ different versions of "Fly Me to the Moon", everthing from a few instrumental versions to a couple sung by Rei, a couple with different accompaniment, etc.

Re:let me be the first to sing... (1)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271971)

SHOUNEN NA SHINWA NI NARE!

10 years... (5, Funny)

HitScan (180399) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271806)

And they still don't know what the fuck it's about.

Re:10 years... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15272166)

Pretty much. I think there is a line to how many philosophical and spiritual concepts you can try to cram into a single anime before it just doesn't make sense. Apparently EVA crossed that line..

then stepped back and crossed it again. Give me cowboy bebop, samurai champloo, or event GITS:SAC (which is boring and convoluted at times as well) over EVA.

P.S. Shinji was a little bitch.

One of the more controversial things about Eva (5, Interesting)

tenchiken (22661) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271909)

One of the more controversial things about Eva is some of the scarier linkups that (thankfully for ADV) havn't been widely reported. A few years back I was on staff with a large anime con, and talked with ADV staff about Eva. One of the things they mentioned was that they got heat from the police because both the Columbine Killers [wikipedia.org] and Hale Bopp Crowd [wikipedia.org] apparently were big fans of Eva, and the police stopped by to have a word with ADV.

One of the more interesting connections was also with Aum Shinrikyo. Apparently at least one of the assistant directors on Eva was a member of Aum Shinrikyo. Anno himself mentions this, and also mentions that he started writing eva right around when the Aum Shinrikyo attack occured. Aum Shinrikyo apparently also used Eva tapes for recuriting afterwords, but apparently stopped after GAINAX started complaining.

Re:One of the more controversial things about Eva (1)

enjahova (812395) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272003)

Your second paragraph could have used nice links like your first paragraph. Wtf are you talking about?

Re:One of the more controversial things about Eva (1)

makomk (752139) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272160)

Aum Shinrikyo [wikipedia.org] - odd religion/cult, responsible for sarin attacks on the Tokyo subway (not sure why they did it - whole business seems a bit weird to me...)

How did it change the world of Manga? (1)

Oz0ne (13272) | more than 8 years ago | (#15271912)

The anime got critical acclaim/notice for being so weird, timing, and all it's judeo christian references. The manga isn't finished yet, and does not follow the anime strictly. Really the anime was pretty poorly written, the creators are definitely clever and creative, but it was clear they didn't have much plan for the series and just got lucky (in america at least.)

Anime came first, was written and directed by otaku-loved crazyboy hideki anno. The manga is written and illustrated by the character designer Yoshiyuki Sadamoto. The relation between the two is pretty loose. The manga is actually being written well, if slowly.

Re:How did it change the world of Manga? (1)

echocharlie (715022) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272158)

I, too, didn't really see the connection between the anime and the manga market today which is primarily being driven to new heights by the Shoujo segment of the market. It seems to be a pretty flimsy and misinformed association. Evangelion definitely deserves to be recognized for its significance to the anime market, though. Especially considering it the cost of licensing the show was astronomical at the time, and the title helped catapult AD Vision [advfilms.com] to the forefront of the anime publisher list.

Overrated (2, Insightful)

lbbros (900904) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272056)

Neon Genesis Evangelion was widely acclaimed, and IMO overrated. The main reason for the weird ending on first show was caused by lack of funds (did you see the drop in animation from episode 21?) Hideaki Anno, the director, and surely a person with a huge ego, didn't like the criticisms and lashed out at everyone in a Newtype interview published shortly after the end of the series. The subsequent movies and "final episodes", aside being a display of an incoherent plot, are just his revenge against those who didn't "understand" him. As for the so-called references... I firmly believe there is no "second meaning" in Evangelion. There are a lot of things thrown at the viewer, but I don't find any real sense. I suspect they were put in just to "look cool" and have people think a lot about nothing. The consequences on the anime market were sadly bad (a whole round of series with stories that made no sense) but more on the fandom, since they're now convinced that everything that looks "strange" on a series MUST be tied to "hidden meaning". Examples are in The Soul Taker, or Shojo Kakumei Utena, where there is no trace of a hidden meaning, but the extreme oddity of the situations "spices up" what could have been a pretty basic storyline.

Imagine the torture... (1)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272107)

... of having to say "Mustn't run away! Mustn't run away!" for 10 years.

9 years too many (-1, Troll)

Tedium Unleased (764661) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272173)

Anime is really pretty sucky. This is one of the best series anime has to offer, and it's not THAT great. I enjoyed it, but I'd rate it somewhere just above your average B grade Hellboy/Resident Evil sci-fi/adventure, and way below Star Wars or something similar. Akira is probably the closest anime has to anything great. And yeah, that probably tics the hardcore fans off that I didn't have to watch it at an anime con (one of which I have attended, where I realized Anime does indeed suck, there aren't more series like Eva or Akira, instead there's just campy crap where a pengiun walks into the room, starts eating breakfast or drinks a beer and the room erupts with laughter). So back to Eva, I've heard the end few episodes are surreal and whatnot, not by design, but because they ran out of budget. You'd think with a format like Anime where special effects don't require millions of dollars, there would be all kinds of great stories that get told through this medium. Let's face it, Anime is pretty poor. Someone should bring back stitching together different series into one... that worked just about as well as something new.

TFA? (1)

TheRon6 (929989) | more than 8 years ago | (#15272198)

I'm a huge fan of Evangelion and a lot of other anime. In addition, I usually find /. articles concerning these subjects interesting. But did anyone actually READ this article before posting it as news? The author displays an obvious lack of understanding of the anime culture (both American and Japanese) and doesn't really introduce anything novel. You'd be much better off reading about it on wiki.

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