Employers Trolling for Current Employee Resumes? 229
powderhound asks: "Recently, my employer started looking for new employees and started to find the resumes of current employees on the job Web sites. I've heard that management was not pleased. In the old days, before Web job sites, you could job hunt with relative certainty that your current employer would not find out until you gave notice. Now, any employer wishing to check on their employee's desire to find a new job need only sign up on the job Web sites and start trolling. How do we, as employees looking to change jobs, protect ourselves from possible discovery, and even worse, retribution? What have you done to protect yourself? Do you think employers are trolling job sites for their own employees?"
The Real Problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Move on, move on.
Re:The Real Problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:The Real Problem (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The Real Problem (Score:4, Interesting)
It is a two-way street, but management has a big SUV that takes up both lanes.
I live in a rural area, and it has been known for the grapevine to "black list" certain people at potential employers, outside of official channels. When I lived in an urban area, it is common to find that most employers are equally crappy. It is very common for companies to want to pay practially nothing. Being a independent contractor could be great, but even that is highly volatile. The grass is always greener and all that.
"Still, I wonder if it is legal to fire someone just for having looked for alternate employment options."
IIRC, in some states it is legal, such as South Carolina ("will to work" or "right to work", I don't remember exactly).
Really rewarding and enjoyable workplaces are not particularly common. I worked briefly for one Fortune 500--but family run--company, and it was a great place to work (ample training, good benefits, etc.). Too bad it was in a part of the country I didn't want to live in.
right to work (Score:2, Informative)
i do know that in AZ, which is a right to work state (but like i said i don't think the issues are connected) an employer can terminate someone for pretty much any reason (outs
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2)
Disclaimer: I'm from the UK where permanent employees have a reasonable measure of protection and one-months notice period is common, and contractors usually have at least a week's notice. Such notice period is usually mutual and contra
Re:The Real Problem (Score:3, Informative)
Unless you have a contract that states otherwise, it's completely legal. They can fire you for sticking your tongue out at someone. Or for driving the wrong kind of car to work. Or for performing in drag on weekends. "At will" employment means they can fire you for any reason that isn't explicitly prohibited by law. In most jurisdictions, this is limited to race, gender, religion, non-disqualifying handica
Re:The Real Problem (Score:5, Interesting)
What they really want is the most cost-effective relationship possible. And that just may be slavery. There are laws against outright slavery, but "economic" slavery is not outlawed by any means. Most world economies thrive and require it.
So spend, spend, spend little consumerbots!
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2, Troll)
What I've never got -- even from my first job at age 13 -- is why people like you EXPECT employers to "care" about you? What, are they your surrogate parents or something? What *I* notice is a definite trend toward people being unwilling to take care of themselves, and so they are constantly looking for someone that will "care" for them (employers, the government, etc).
You have a simple contract with y
Re:The Real Problem (Score:3, Interesting)
The contract with your employer is just that, a contract. If that'
Re:The Real Problem (Score:3, Interesting)
The key word there is "accommodate". Friends "care" about each other. Employers "accommodate" employees. It's not that your boss doesn't care if you live or die; he cares in the normal human sense, not in the sense of friends or family. A good employer fosters a good "working relationship" (to use your words), but that's still part of the "w
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2)
Re:The Real Problem (Score:3, Interesting)
It is a trend that is especially strong in companies that do IT, and consulting has it worst of all. I worked for 13 years in a large firm in the internal IT department. Most of us do long term operational support, with a big upgrade done every 3 to 5 years in various systems. We were privatized 3 years ago and bought by a large firm with a strong background in IT consulting, but very little experience
Re:The Real Problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Despite how impersonal and dysfunctional that would be, I would actually tolerate that amicably. The problem, of course, is that it tends to tip the hand in favor of the employee at inconvenient times, which employers don't want. Workers are expected to be infinitely local to their employers, while employers simply don't return that loyalty.
The tendency is not towards an equitable or balanced employer-employee relationship, which the phrase "business relationship" would tend to suggest. The tendency is towards top-down control and imbalance of that relationship. YMMV, and your company might not have gotten there -- yet, or maybe luckily never. But very few companies go from an anti-employee environment to an equitable one without some sort of revoltive event (unionizing, buyout, etc.)
I agree -- far, far too many companies have no interest or concern regarding employee morale. They either appeal to a very unconvincing "good of the company" mentality, or use fear of termination -- or sometimes neither, using absolutely nothing to encourage workers -- to maintain or aggravate the demoralized status quo.
Of course, what doesn't help is that employers and employees both know (or think) that employers can always get more obedient, cheaper labor, fairly easily; and both also know (or think) that generally, employees cannot get more accomodating, more lucrative employment without risk.
So the employer-employee relationship is simply not an amicable, equitable business relationship, but something much more silently adversarial, where employers fight for the cheapest, most productive labor, and employees struggle for the best benefits and pay.
Say what you will -- organization of labor is probably the only thing that can actually make that relationship at all like a business relationship.
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2)
The thing is, that's not how business works. Just like when it comes to sales, you want to sell for the most and produce for the cheapest, when it comes to employment you want to produce the most a
Re:The Real Problem (Score:4, Interesting)
Now I'm not saying its like that EVERYwhere, but in most large corporations, and many small ones, HR is not your friend. This is really sad because years ago it was just the opposite. EA obviously has a poor HR department.
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2, Informative)
Re:The Real Problem (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2)
Better make sure that you have a new job ready before opening such a dialogue - after all, it suggests that things aren't perfect as is, and therefore, that the management might not be perfect. They may not react to such challenge for their ego in a rational manner. Or they might react very rationally, figure out that this employee is growing a spin
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2)
You are assuming that it's easier for the employer to find a similarily qualif
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2)
No, I'm assuming that it makes more financial sense to hire a new employee than to give the current one a rise, or deal with whatever his problem is.
Or the employer could simply increase the workload of the remaining employees, not hire anyone, and give the savings to the
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2)
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2)
Which is frequently a bad assumption.
Re:The Real Problem (Score:2)
But luckily not of all corporations, nor of all bosses.
Because the thing is, such employees will never ever tell you when your new idea absolutely fucking sucks. And sometimes, just sometimes, your employees do actually know something about the work they
no name? (Score:5, Informative)
Mod parent back up, mods are on crack! (Score:2)
After all, almost every employer will respect it if you don't want your current employer contacted and it is understood why you wouldn't want that.
Re:Mod parent back up, mods are on crack! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:don't include your current job (Score:2)
It's quite possible to make your current job secret. For example, Monster actively supports this. Not to say that identifying current employees from resumes is impossible. Presumably your current resume info is the same as when you were hired... However, it's not name or current job that trigger this.
Re:Mod parent back up, mods are on crack! (Score:2)
Most employeers would probably find this sketchy and a little unbelievable. "What is he trying to hide?"
Have some balls. Most of us are "at will" employees, which means we can quit our job at any time for any reason; and our employeer can fire us at any time, for many different reasons.
You have a right to look for a job-- you have an OBLIGATION to look for ways to make your own life better. *they* have a right to consider laying you
Better method: Deliberate typo in name (Score:3, Interesting)
I deliberatly [1] spell my name / address slightly differently.
I won't show up if anyone googles for the real me, yet dosn't get anyone suspicious if I use a deliberate fasle name.
An added advantage is you get to see were employers/agencys share your details / mailing lists etc as when company X post something to you, you know they must have got your name from company Y as it contains the misspeling you gave solely to company Y.
[1] Yes I know it's spelt wrong, Im dyslexic and cant be arsed running isp
Easy. (Score:2, Insightful)
Most employers don't hire by searching resumes on the web anyway. They post a listing and wait for the applicants to come to them. Also, the old way of finding a job is still the best. Use your network of contacts, or find a reputable headhunter (ask around. 1 headhunter in 100 isn't a schmuck, and somebody you know probably knows which one it is).
If your resume isn't out there in the public sense, you don't have to worry about your employer finding it. If posting your r
Re:Easy. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Easy. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Easy. (Score:2, Interesting)
post it here :-) (Score:2)
You think that binary executable files are human readable, at least with some help from a hex editor. You think binary net protocols (like X11,IAX2,SMB...) are human readable. You like to break things. You live in the USA.
Re:post it here :-) (Score:2)
Re:Easy. (Score:4, Insightful)
Most employers don't hire by searching resumes on the web anyway. They post a listing and wait for the applicants to come to them.
I respectfully disagree. If you send your resume and application to a job posting, you are competing with the 100 other applicants that did the same. Whereas, if a recruiter finds your resume online and likes you enough to contact you, they are already sold enough to initiate the human level of contact.
I have always gotten much further in the interview process when it was initiated by the recruiter instead of the other way around.
And to that end, I almost always keep my resume online--I just only update it when I'm more actively looking. If an employer found that offensive, they should sign a contract with me that binds me for life. Until I get that, I'm going to more or less continue looking, or considering offers, perpetually.
Re:Easy. (Score:5, Insightful)
Think of employment as an economist does: it is a kind of marketplace in which you sell your labor. Any time you don't sell is your leisure time. Every day you go to work you are deciding to sell some of your labor to a particular employer.
On an ongoing basis you work, and on that basis you employer incurs a liability TO YOU. When they write out the check, they pay off that acrued liability. In fact, you are extending them credit terms of two weeks, basically. Oh, and they also usually incur a vacation liability to you. That is the extent of who owes who.
Employment is almost always at will. So beyond the acrued payroll and vacation time and possibly contractual obligations, nobody owes anybody anything really. You are free to go. They are free to let you go.
Your employer understands that there is a marketplace in which you can sell your services. Your resume on a web site is completely natural when you understand the economics of the situation. They may "not be happy" but who cares? If an employer would actually fire you for being in the job market there's a serious problem anyway. Are they afraid you're underpaid? Are they afraid you're unhappy? Frankly, any time would be a great time for them to fix that. The fact is that if a better offer comes along the rational choice is to go elsewhere, and they should know that.
Bottom line is, don't be a wuss. There are always other jobs.
In fact, I think everyone would be better off as contractors. Then the reality of the situation would be understood more clearly by both sides.
-- John.
Re:Easy. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Easy. (Score:2)
Re:Easy. (Score:3, Interesting)
From what I can tell of how people look for jobs, I can't believe anyone ever gets one!
It makes me sad to see how pathetic people are about looking for jobs. The o
Re:Easy. (Score:4, Interesting)
Ummm...the HR person responsible for bringing me job applicants to interview seems to spend his life trolling monster.com. And I work for one of the largest private employers in my state.
The amazing thing is that he brings me very few "duds". Most of the people who make it this far really seem to be as sharp as their resumes claim, and I'd say I've given him a thumbs up on over 75% of them. Not that we've hired them all, but the ones we have gotten have been really good.
Re:Easy. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Easy. (Score:2)
It isn't that hard in many industries to determine who an anonymous resume is from- just listing your alma matter/year and experience can give away a lot of information.
I was amazed to have an hr person identify three people in my company that were actively looking for jobs. The resumes looked good- like they had relevant experience. There wasn't any stand-out information, but just from school, employment dates, and cities they knew exactly who it was!
Th
According to an Employment Advocate I know... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:According to an Employment Advocate I know... (Score:2)
Mindset (Score:5, Insightful)
Before the advent of sites such as Monster.com, etc. job hunting was a fairly active pursuit. It involved looking at potentially interested companies- sending in your resume to them, etc. Now days, job "hunting" can be much more benign. The fact is that it's quite reasonable to be perfectly content with ones job, and not actively seeking a new employer, but still to have your resume online 'incase something better comes along'. In fact, I would be that many of the people who's resumes were posted on Monster.com had posted them there before they got their current position.
It seems that the optimal solution is really to just get Managers/HR drones to realize this and to not associate running across someones resume online with the idea that they are actively searching for new employment.
If HR still doesn't like it (especially if where you work is an 'At Will' employment place), then I would politely inform them that- if they are worried about you leaving then they should consider negotiating a contract for your exclusive employement, and if you are able to find mutually acceptable terms, then you will remove your resume.
Re:Mindset (Score:2)
HR once told my boss that they were concerned about a certain telecommuting employee. They didn't like telecommuting, and were concerned that she wasn't really working. Since she happened to be THE most productive employee in engineering
Re:Mindset (Score:3, Insightful)
As an employee, you are selling your time, knowledge and skills to the company to do some job in exchange for a salary or hourly wadge, plus usually some benefits. The way it works at most jobs is, at any time for pretty much any reason, your employer can say "well, we dont need you any more, clear out your desk and go home. We'll put your last check in the mail."
In fact, the basis of "at will" employement is that either p
Re:Mindset (Score:2)
If you bail the most likely thing that will happen is that the other employees are punished a little in the form of additional work, the project may be a little later than usual (and the project manager will be happy to finally have a concrete scape-goat to blame the impending lateness on anyways), and the company may be inconvenienced a bit. The downside to the company is approximately nil, because the company generally has built in allowances in the form of ability to slide schedul
Solution (Score:4, Insightful)
Then if you're current employer comes across your resume, you can dismiss it with "it's from when I was looking before this job". The obvious flaw is that if you've been in your job for a great number of years, then it's not a very solid story (or an adequet resume for that matter.)
Alternatively keep your resume on an external website, (which can always be current), it allows you to monitor and traffic who visits your resume, as well as say, block the IP range of your current employer/their chosen recruitment company.
Re:Solution (Score:2)
Re:Solution (Score:2)
That's fine -- make it so that the page says, "I'm no longer looking. If you found this as a result of a search on google or something, looking for a resume, their information is out of date. Hopefully, it will refresh eventually."
Doesn't help at all if the HR department checks from home though!
On Posting Resumes to a Website (Score:3, Informative)
1. Collect resumes posted to the Web on common job sites.
2. Submit them to employers with their contact information replacing yours.
3. Not tell you about it unless they get a bite.
4. Contact you about the job if they do get a bite, but not tell you any of the above.
Personally, I don't like the idea of any old person having access to my resume. It's too much information to give out anonymously. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a "passive" way to get a job. You have to go through the work of contacting people, by mail or Email yourself, rather that tossing your resume out there and hoping for a bite. This isn't the 90's after all, the job market sucks. (Sigh... I remember companies giving away Palms just for accepting an interview. Oh well, I made out pretty well myself, until the crash...)
Weed-out bad recruiters (Score:3, Informative)
Free Market. (Score:2, Insightful)
Free market. You can sell yourself with the same degree of freedom that he shops for employees.
Offer to curtail your freedom, if he curtails his. Bet he'll not bite.
Re:Free Market. (Score:2)
Difference is most people can only handle one full time job. While employers can handle many full time employees. They're studs like that. :P
What I'd probably do is keep my resume and such on my own portfolio-style website, which will be around regardless whether I'm employed or unemployed. It's more passive that way.
- shazow
Re:Free Market. (Score:2)
You are the seller in this situation, so it behooves you to make your employment valuable to them. You need to stand out from the generic corporate pukes around you. As long as you're just another employee, you can be replaced by just another employee. If they don't know you are valuable, you nee
Use privacy options (Score:5, Informative)
So how do future employers contact you? They use the contact job seeker option on the website, such as Dice.com, and Dice would then forward the email to you. It is then up to you unveil your identity when replying back to the employer.
What you can do to further your privacy is use a new email address that doesn't have your name in it to inquire more about the job opportunity.
Good luck!
Easy (Score:3, Interesting)
Trolling? (Score:5, Funny)
Then again, I'd love to mod my employer down...
Re:Trolling? (Score:2)
http://bennettmarine.com/rigging_trolling.html [bennettmarine.com]
Although in reality it was the employee trolling for bites on their resume - they just caught a big nasty fish they weren't intending to.
Re:Trolling? (Score:2)
Even worse, it seems that the term as applied to so many, erm, provocative posts on
Semi-relevent story (Score:5, Interesting)
One year and 3 days later, happily employed, I found a little time one night to resume that piece. Once satisified, I posted the image. Unfortunately, I had forgotten to set my alarm that night. I overslept the next day. When I finally arrived at work, my boss was real happy to see me. You see, this forum I was posting artwork to was the exact same forum that he discovered me with. He read these February posts about gunning for a job at these two other places and became concerned. That, coupled with my lateness to work, gave his imagination a lot to work with. By the time I got there,though, he had discovered the YEAR of the post, and a good laugh was had by all.
There's no real moral to this story unless you seek it. It's just my own little anecdotal evidence that one should be careful about what he or she says on the net. This may seem like common sense, but it is funny how these little things can nip you in the rear. In my case, it was totally accidental.
This probably isn't all that relevent to the story. It might have been a more useful post in another story recently about somebody getting in trouble at work over something found in a search engine. No offense taken if this is considered off-topic, but yeah, employeers can see you on the net. Behave.
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Re:Semi-relevent story (Score:3, Interesting)
Boss: "That was a call from a headhunter?"
Me: "Yeah."
I ended up with a hefty $5k raise as a retention incentive. w00t!
employment and owning people (Score:2)
Re:employment and owning people (Score:2)
I'm always wary of companies that tout their culture as resembling a "family". What that really means is that you, as an employee, are now a child again, and your bosses are Mommy and Daddy. A lot of people - presumably uncomfortable with their own adu
Re:employment and owning people (Score:2)
At one job after I'd been there a year, my boss called me into his office to tell me that he'd observed I hadn't bought a new car. He said that was bad, because if I wasn't making car payments, I could leave them anytime. I know a real estate agent who got the same line from her boss. She should "motivate" herself by buying an expens
Re:employment and owning people (Score:2)
Not really, it is a perfectly normal psychological defense mechanism to pretend that everything's fine even when it isn't. Especially when the society is sending constant signals telling you that working to death is expected, and that money is more important than people.
Such people are simply fo
If they want me to drive a new car (Score:2)
I'm not getting upside down financially for anyone.
I think the word you are looking for is (Score:2)
Been there, done that - ish... (Score:3, Interesting)
One of the huge tech firms in Ottawa was having a career fair(Cognos) and I decided to wander over to see if they needed any techs. While waiting in line I got interviewed by the local paper(the Citizen) and my quote was included in the article along with my name. Of course this gets back to my boss about 2 weeks later, via one of his clients who recognized my name(never found out who, don't really care).
Boss could not do anything, it was on my time(weekend) and my personal business. It pissed him off, but if he did _anything_ it would have put him in a very bad situation. Firing me would have been without cause, I was already in the lowest job in the company, (with coresponding pay) and I basically could not be touched for it.
As in this case, maybe your boss should be wondering why so many of their employees are looking to get out.
Now, I have a new job, and a 25% increase in pay. I really love the part where I hit my yearly review at my old job and they gave me 0% pay raise! When I left that company they had to hire three people to replace me.
I'll stop ranting now, enjoy!
Re:Been there, done that - ish... (Score:2)
Precisely.
I can see how an employer would be offended at an employee idly looking at other potential jobs if we had, say, the old Japanese job-for-life system... but when an employer can toss you out on your ear with little notice, why shouldn't the reverse be true?
Re:Been there, done that - ish... (Score:2)
Lesson to the Managers out there: Just because we're not always 'professional' many of us can get the job done. The new guy made subst
Re:Been there, done that - ish... (Score:2)
I was working as helpdesk/sysadmin/security/all-around-IT-guy for a Univ dept while attending school. I pulled 30-40hrs/wk despite being in classes and such. When I graduated, I asked to be made full-time. I was their first IT person ever that would service MacOS, Windows and *NIX. I often went well above and beyond my original charter (answer emails and fix problems) by building an automated helpdesk system, built a new computer lab, often worked with profs to
I could care less... (Score:3, Insightful)
My boss (Score:5, Funny)
If your job is decent... (Score:2)
Of course, if you hate your job, and wouldn't stay there even if they matched other offers, then you've got a problem. But again, you should step up your job search.
And if
Screw 'em (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Screw 'em (Score:2)
> contractual obligation, you are free to quit your employment at
> anytime minus a contractual obligation.
In the US you are always free to quit your employment at any time regardless of what your contract says. Requiring you to work against your will would be involuntary servitude, which is forbidden by the Constitution.
Make up your mind (Score:2, Interesting)
No? Then why should your employer be pleased that you are looking to replace him?
Do onto other as you wish to be done onto yourselve. Or something like that.
For whatever this may mean you and your employer have a relationship. You both expect certain things of each other. The employer expects you to turn up each day and that he can plan his business countin
Today's word is "Trawling" (Score:3, Informative)
If your boss wants to troll job websites then let him/her; s/he will eventually get banned and then you can post your CV without trouble.
TWW
Re:Today's word is "Trawling" (Score:2)
TWW
Re:Today's word is "Trawling" (Score:2)
Well, a lot can happen to a word in 800 years...
TWW
I was an HR Recruiter. WAS. (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyway heres how it goes when a company doesn't do all/any of its own HR. They have a list, sometimes exclusive other times not, of HR/Consulting firms that they send job requests to. Those requests specify the length of the contract, the salary range, a brief (VERY) job description, and desired skills. It then became my bosses job to hand me that piece of paper from which I had to parse out a monster (we ONLY used monster for some reason) search string and start calling people.
First off we had an implied policy that we didn't bother with confidential resumes. Send an email and then leave it. Our response rate from those was exceedingly low, single-digit percentages.
We did have an easier time than many consulting contracting firms because nearly all of our contracts were temp-to-perm and my employer had farily good benefits. The way that works is a new hire was an employee of ours for 3 to 6 months, recieving pay and benefits from us while working for our client. At the end of that term, if the client was happy the client could then hire that employee on as thier own without paying us a finders fee. My employer got a (significant) cut, our clients got good people, and good people got full time, permanent jobs.
That sounds all well and good but human resources is not some place I can work and feel good about it. I had to look at a resume, review the stated skills in comparision to the desired skills, look at the employment history and see if/how those skills were actually used, and if that matched then I made a call (resumes with phone numbers get priority, because we can get you right away) and talked to the candidate to see if they were really interested.
Now I get to take a job description that was less than a paragraph with some notes/comments from my boss and tell (NEVER sell) the candidate about the position. Then if they were interested I had to ask questions and see if this person really had what we wanted for the job. It was hard because my boss (and by implication our clients) had very specific requriements, there was no room for 'I think this guy would be good' I had to take the vagaries of resumes and HR talk and salary requirements and quantify them. My coworkers (Hi Jeff, Julie, Lee, and Steve!) were great people and could handle that. It is very difficult.
Now coming back to the point, when we saw a resume of on of our people. We DID NOT CARE. If anything it was a good guide, as I'm reading the first few parts of the resume "Oh wow this guy would be perfect....because he is already doing (job) for (client).". I usually printed those out and used them as examples to compare to other resumes.
If you are looking for something better and not serious about going to a new job, you are wasting my time and yours. If you are "seeing whats out there" then you are a liability, it looks bad for us when an employee quits in the middle of a contract, it wastes my time, it wastes our clients time, and it shows an apalling lack of responsibility on your part. We were not hiring short-term contractors who were looking for adventure and new jobs every 3 months, we were looking for reliable, competent, full-time, well paid, permanent employees. If you want to see whats out there tell us when we call, we'll tell you what is out there, but we have other shit to do. Don't sit there chatting us up.
If you honestly are looking for a new job then I offer you the following advice. If you have an itemized list of skills, programming languages, apps etc. on your resume you need to be able to te
They sure do, but we do it to them as well. (Score:2)
One thing a lot of us do is chase down the employment offerings our company posts. See, its a game because the postings are hidden by going through consulting and contracting firms. By close examination of the needs and general area given we
Quid pro quo (Score:2)
It's a matter of give and take. Yes, my resume is up there. Actually, no, I'm not looking for a job. But if someone comes along, pays more, offers more benefits and a more interesting job... How about my job here when someone applies with a better qualification who demands less? Would you fire me?
This is exactly what happened to me when I got my current job. I was working for a large German c
Simple.. stop using job sites. (Score:2)
good for the goose (Score:2)
[OT] Job app/resume wants SSN (Score:2)
Then the employers should take a hint! (Score:2)
I'm looking. Why? Because noone gets fired where I work and half these people should have been fired. But then again, the company does no
I don't post a resume ... I look for jobs posted (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Web? (Score:2)
Re:unionise (Score:2)
Re:unionise (Score:2)
Unions where really needed 30+ years ago due to work conditions, people where dieing. Now that we have safety issues that are under government control, safety can normally be a non-union concept.
Whats left is working hours, benefits (medical), and pay.
I would love to see laws governing working hours, people die at hospitals due to overworked doctors and lack of nursing. How many hours should someone work a week, 60, 80? Or maybe only 30. When peopl
Re:unionise (Score:2)
I live and work as a programmer in Norway. In general the pay for high-paying jobs is lower than US, low-paying jobs are paid better, so the net effect is that there's less of a difference between flipping burgers and say programming.
With a 3-4 year university education, you'll start out as a programmer making something like $65K/year, which I understand is fairly moderate by US standards. And ontop of that you'll probably p
Re:they should assume I'm looking at other jobs (Score:2)
Re:I never take mine down (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course, you can take all of that as a grain of salt because, while I do in fact have a resume, I'm just finishing my first year at the University of Chicago and nobody wants to give me a job anyway.
Re:I never take mine down (Score:4, Insightful)
Just point out to them that since you live in a 'right to work' state you need to do this. And, you'd be more than willing to remove it in exchange for a nice long term contract that provides *you* with the security *you* want.
Or, they can hire stupid people and see how that works out for them...