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Jack Thompson Weighs in on Oblivion

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the zonk-smash dept.

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Robotron23 writes "Jack Thompson has commenced his attack on The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion by seeking appearances on several talk shows. A press release announcing his availability speaks of Take Two not having 'learned its lesson' over the Hot Coffee scandal, before continuing to detail the issues surrounding Oblivion's re-rating, in particular regarding nudity - concluding that the game content will spawn 'an even worse disaster' than occurred during Hot Coffee."

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Will this moron never stop? (1, Funny)

unheard02 (949368) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285753)

Does he not realize that no one likes him, not even his own mother?

Somone poke Jack in the eye for me if you see him. (5, Funny)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285756)

Subject line says it all.

Video games don't make me fell violent, morons do.

Re:Somone poke Jack in the eye for me if you see h (1, Offtopic)

Durinthal (791855) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285903)

The sheer stupidity of the "controversy" around this game makes me want to cry.

You hear that? I said "cry", not "get a gun and go shoot him".

[and my quote will appear as such in the media because they're morons too: "This game makes me want to ... get a gun and go shoot him."]

What does Take 2 have to do with that? (3, Insightful)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285757)

That's the responsibility of the developer, not the publisher. But then again it's Jackass Thompson, of course he's only talking out of his rear end without bothering to do any research. How did that man manage to become a lawyer?

Re:What does Take 2 have to do with that? (5, Funny)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285855)

How did that man manage to become a lawyer?

of course he's only talking out of his rear end without bothering to do any research

Um, dude, I think you answered your own question without realizing it.

And what lesson should they learn for Hot Coffee? (4, Insightful)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285861)

How can user mods be prevented, also how can a developer be held resposable for a non-sanctioned mod (something that would void any warenty on the product)? That is the real question.

The "Lesson" is that Hillary Clinton is a stooge or at least bottom feeding to get conservative votes and people like Jack Thompson have declared war on an entertanment industy accusing it of erodeing our morals. Media reflects our culture not the other way around, "fix" our culture and the desire for simulated violence will go away on it's own.

Just my 2 cents...

Re:And what lesson should they learn for Hot Coffe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15286064)

Do you think Hillary is a prissy little tight-ass because Bill won't give her any, or is it that Bill won't give her any because she's a prissy little tight-ass?

Re:What does Take 2 have to do with that? (4, Insightful)

stlhawkeye (868951) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285925)

He graduated from an accredited legal program and passed the bar, all of which can be accomplished without demonstrating that one has any ability to think critically and run an ethical lawyering practice.

Re:What does Take 2 have to do with that? (5, Funny)

TheBogie (941620) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286227)

Actually all lawyers are required to sign up for Ethics 101 class in their first semester. Anyone who shows up is immediately expelled from law school.

Honest question.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15285759)

Is there really any point to paying attention to anything this ass clown does or says? Is there any proof of his influence?

Overrated (3, Interesting)

HugePedlar (900427) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285760)

If I understand correctly, it was a 3rd party mod applied to Oblivion that caused the nudity fuss, not a 3rd party unlocking of existing content a la Hot Coffee.

As people have said already, you might as well rate every single game ever made as Mature, since any game can be hacked independently to show nudity or sex or clones of Jack Thompson for that matter.

Re:Overrated (4, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285835)

Actually it is a fair parallel to Hot Coffee. The content shipped on the disc, but the content isn't a sex scene. The content is a nude-colored texture for female characters. However, this horribly offensive nude "patch" doesn't even have nipples. The odd thing is that you can't access it on the 360, but the 360 version is being rerated and ripped off the shelves. So no nipple, and not even in the 360, but the 360 is being rated for having nudity. Thank God for the ESRB to protect me!

Re:Overrated (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15285870)

Sorry, this is where you're wrong. It's NOT a nude colored texture for female characters. What the mod does is take the MALE base texture (which is not fully nude) and puts it on the female body mesh. In effect, the content does not exist in the game at all, yet the game is being pulled and re-rated.

Re:Overrated (2, Insightful)

R2P2 (193577) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285882)

Actually, the rerating was also because they underestimated the violence level in the game. I'm pretty sure that's the same in both versions.

Re:Overrated (5, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285961)

I read both ESRB statements. The first one said it was due solely to violence, and not the nudity. Except Bethesda came back with a 60-page report demonstrating that they clearly explained to the ESRB EXACTLY how violent the game would be.

The ESRB's response to that was nudity was the real issue. So which is it?

Re:Overrated (1)

tukkayoot (528280) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286059)

Actually it is a fair parallel to Hot Coffee. The content shipped on the disc, but the content isn't a sex scene. The content is a nude-colored texture for female characters. However, this horribly offensive nude "patch" doesn't even have nipples. The odd thing is that you can't access it on the 360, but the 360 version is being rerated and ripped off the shelves. So no nipple, and not even in the 360, but the 360 is being rated for having nudity. Thank God for the ESRB to protect me!

I've heard conflicting reports concerning this. I could be wrong but I don't think a flesh colored body texture would cause any real contraversy. I'm pretty sure that originally the nude female texture did in fact include nipples, but they were removed in the first patch (still in beta at the moment).

It does seem like a stupid oversight on Bethesda's part. Why would they include "nippled" textures at all if they were aiming for a T rating? And now that they seem to have been irrevocably rated M, why not just leave the textures in?

Re:Overrated (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286132)

I haven't seen the texture myself. I've heard the opposite, that it did not include nipples, but that 3rd party mods add nipples. I've also heard Bethesda claim the purpose of the topless nude texture was to help modders develop certain garments.

Either way I still don't care for the precedent of rating games based on what can be accomplished by a third-party mod.

Should every single XBox Live capable game be rated Adult's Only because of the language you're going to hear when playing online?

Re:Overrated (1)

LocalH (28506) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286197)

I'm of the understanding that they actually applied the male texture to the female mesh, which is why it isn't quite right. If that's the case, then Jack's really arguing against male toplessness, which as far as I know hasn't been made taboo yet. After all, to make it impossible for people to appropriate the male texture in such a fashion, you have to make them less anatomically correct or just cover them up completely.

Re:Overrated (1)

violent.ed (656912) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285908)

Exactly, let's insert naked pictures into Jack's press release & then sue him for publishing pornographic material that is freely available to children without any safeguards, cause thats exactly what hes to tiffed about. Someone else changed the skins around so boobies could be seen.

Re:Overrated (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285941)

You understand wrong.

It's unlocking just like hot coffee.

Bethesda claimed otherwise though so your confusion is understandable. Note though that take 2 claimed hot coffee wasn't on the PC disk... until it was found in the PS2 version.

Re:Overrated (2, Insightful)

gorbachev (512743) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286032)

"It's unlocking just like hot coffee."

Well, not quite.

What really happened is that Bethesda modeled the character models as naked 3D human models, then superimposed clothes in them when displaying the characters in the game. The modder then found the "naked" 3D models and "removed" the clothing.

This is not an unreasonable way to implement 3D modeling especially if you're about to do some advanced clothing physics type of stuff which would require the clothes to be modeled separately. I would suspect every modern sports game has the same thing going on for them. My God, *I* am naked under my clothes, too!

This whole thing is a complete hysteric overreaction by the ESRB and people like Thumper Thompson and Leland Yee, who are out to exploit it to their own advantage.

This is the sort of stuff that, if it was happening in renessaince Italy, it would've made Michelangelo's David impossible to craft.

OMGWTFBBQROFL! (2, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286125)

He should see what kids do with GI Joe and Barbie.
Nasty, dirty, horrible things. And that ho Barbie likes it. Poor Ken.

It was applying a MALE skin to the FEMALE model (2, Informative)

Ahnteis (746045) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286085)

There are topless males in the game. By applying the MALE texture to the FEMALE model, you get boobies. Sort of.

Re:Overrated (4, Informative)

Surt (22457) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286220)

Actually, most of the sources I've read agree that the nude content was shipped with the game, and unlocked pretty much the same as hot coffee. Here's a couple:

http://www.igniq.com/2006/04/oblivion-nude-mod-alr eady-available.html [igniq.com]
http://www.oblivionsource.com/?page=modforge&op=vi ewproject&project_id=191 [oblivionsource.com]
http://grbeta.bolt.com/download/pc/the_elder_scrol ls_oblivion_4_nude_patch [bolt.com]

Do you have a source that says it did not ship with the game?

I think... (5, Funny)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285763)

I think that there should be a new rating introduced. How about "TM", or maybe "T-M". It would stand for "Teen-Moddable", and underneath it it would say: "This game can be modified by the players. This means that there can be boobies and heavy sexual innuendo."

Re:I think... (1)

God'sDuck (837829) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285905)

*can* be?

Re:I think... (5, Funny)

Caste11an (898046) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286120)

Congratulations on buying the executive version of Oblivion. You have chosen wisely and we value your discerning taste in deciding to pay the few extra pence for a product of real quality. Everything on this record has been designed to meet the exacting standards which you have naturally come to expect. The game disc itself is made from the very finest Colombian extruded polyvinyl. The centerhole has been created to fit exactly into your drive with all the precision of finest Swiss craftmanship. The audio content has been quality graded to give you the finest in listening pleasure. There is little or no offending material apart from four cunts, one clitoris, and a foreskin. And as they only occur in this End User License Agreement, you're past them now. You can relax and enjoy this quality product, secure in the knowledge that it has been specially created for the lover of fine things and man of good taste.

take-two eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15285765)

who knew take-two and bethesda were the same entity. bad bad bethesda, changing your name won't fool jack thompson. :P

Best Course of Action (5, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285770)

He likes to instigate things. He likes attention. Everyone knows his stance, which you either agree with or don't (hopefully it is the latter). Can we just be done with him now? Honestly, the best course of action is to ignore him.

Re:Best Course of Action (2, Insightful)

Khaed (544779) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285978)

Agreed! I had the same thought when I saw this article -- "Can we please just ignore him?" The guy just wants us to pay attention to him. Unless you're Penny Arcade. Then he gets pissed if you pay attention to him.

Re:Best Course of Action (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286028)

"Honestly, the best course of action is to ignore him."

While that may work in the play ground, ignoring people who have access to mass publication and political lobiests is all round a bad idea. The American people will beleive what ever lie is said the most. The best way to beat him is to get him involved in a scandle, even a wide spread rumor of sexual deviance would be enough to close a lot of the right wing doors in his face.

-Rick

Re:Best Course of Action (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286104)

In the American playground, the almight dollar speaks loudest. If the media truly believes that we care what he has to say, he will always have a television appearance waiting for him.

As consumers we can opt not to pick up newspapers, magazines and the like that have him blasting his usual rhetoric on their pages.

And frankly, those that are likely to listen to him and believe him are those that already made up their minds. Screaming at Thompson himself is not likely to change his mind, or anyone else's sadly. I'm not too worried. The game industry is blossoming, and the majority of gamers are adults.

Re:Best Course of Action (2, Insightful)

keyne9 (567528) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286186)

The ignorant masses do not ignore nutjobs like him. Ignoring him will do nothing to ease the minds of those who would listen to him. Thus, they must be informed of his lunacy.

Well there's a surprise. (4, Interesting)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285777)

Can't be pissed off at Thompson for being a wanker...He was born that way, I doubt he could help it. I guess you could blame his parents for not slapping the stupid out of him...

All that being said, W. T. F. was the ESRB thinking giving that game a goddamn Teen rating? DIABLO II got a goddamn M rating. Any moron would know that a first person game with fricking SWORDS is going to rate an M. Didn't Morrowind rate an M?

Really, does it weight that heavily on the sales if it ends up rated M?

Re:Well there's a surprise. (1)

benjjj (949782) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285919)

Swords by themselves don't mean anything. There's no animated blood in Oblivion, the violence is structured (i.e. rules dictate when killing is appropriate and when it is not, and the player is rewarded or punished as necessary), and the game world offers so many opportunities for non-violent participation. There is very little, if any, gratuitous violence in Oblivion.

Re:Well there's a surprise. (2, Informative)

krist0 (313699) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286065)

SPOILER :

Towards the end of the Dark Brotherhood line, some guy (not saying who) is hung upside down from a ceiling, skinned.

Bit gruesome. Also in the oblivion plane there is alot of messed up corpses, blood splatters on walls/floors...

Doesn't bother me but maybe some parents would not like their 13 year old seeing it.

I think it should have been M and be done with it. I am sure it would have sold exactly the same.

Re:Well there's a surprise. (1)

mcsestretch (926118) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286199)

Actually, when you hit a creature, sometimes it leaves blood patches on the floor or walls.

So, yes, there is blood but it's a swordfighting game. What did you expect?

Re:Well there's a surprise. (1)

HunterZ (20035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285947)

Really, does it weight that heavily on the sales if it ends up rated M?

Yes. Apparently many large game retailers (e.g. Wal-Mart, whose influence is evidenced in the standardized, small game box size that is now omnipresent) don't stock rated-M games in efforts to maintain a family-friendly image or somesuch.

Re:Well there's a surprise. (1)

is as us Infinite (920305) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286061)

The thing is, it likely doesn't matter _at all_ to Take Two that the game 'should have' gotten a higher rating. The crux of the matter here is that Jerk Thompson is lobbying for some sort of stricter rating system based on the fact that the current one is 'broken'. And this is just more fuel for the fire. As if any rating system could be perfect anyway.

Why do we bother? (4, Insightful)

Gorkamecha (948294) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285783)

Gah, this is nothing but Troll bait.....We can't stop Jack Thompson from talking to the press. We can't stop the press from listening to him...so why do we even bother to post these. All we get are comments ranging from the useless to the insane (yes threating JAck with violence is an excellent way of proving he's wrong *sigh*). This post included ;)

Why I like the tags function (4, Funny)

raitchison (734047) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285788)

Lets me tag stores like this with "asshole attentionwhore bullshit esrb fud"

Even if it doesn't accomplish anything it makes me feel better /offtopic

Jack Thompson (1)

eviloverlordx (99809) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285789)

From the article:

and received ACLU's "Top Ten Censors of the Year Award" (1992).

Well, that's something to be proud of. Of course Thompson just likes getting his name in the news, but you'd think that someone with his drive could put it to better use, say fighting poverty or finding a cure for AIDS.

What? (2, Insightful)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285791)

Its popular and newly released Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has now been re-rated "Mature" and recalled by the ESRB because Take-Two and its co-publisher have been caught embedding nude figures and scenes in the game which can be unlocked with a code provided by the developer. This is not a modification or "mod" of the game by gamers. It is an unlocking of content that was put there by Take-Two with the unlocking code provided by the developer!


You have to be kidding me. I hope this guy appears on a few call-in shows. I'd love to ask him some questions.

Re:What? (1)

spun (1352) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286127)

Unfortunately, he's technically almost correct here. Characters are modelled nude, and seperate clothing is added over the nude models. The developers included some "code," a program used to make mods. Players can use this "code" to "unlock" the naked character models. It's a mod, but it's not a mod that adds content, which is what he's trying to say.

Oh god, not another one... (3, Funny)

filterchild (834960) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285793)

Jack Thompson: the Dvorak of the gaming world.

Re:Oh god, not another one... (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286107)

Jack Thompson: the Dvorak of the gaming world.

Please, you're insuting Dvorak.

R. O. F. L. (0, Redundant)

idonthack (883680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285796)

Jack Thompson makes me laugh.

I drew some boobs on the newspaper once (1)

Jimmy King (828214) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285805)

so we need to regulate newspapers and make sure that only adults can see them since they can be modified to show porn, right?

Clarification: (2, Informative)

Avillia (871800) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285808)

The skin was a nude skin used to render clothing. It was technical nudity. It was unlocked via a third party modification. There was no intended nudity or a fellatio minigame, just a skinning component detached and refactored. Not nearly as severe, but still hot-coffee-esque.

Re:Clarification: (5, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285892)

It doesn't even look like a real nude woman[1], it's not even close to anatomically correct. It's less realistic than a Barbie doll with the clothes stripped off. Last time I checked, Barbie dolls didn't have an 'M' rating -- they didn't have a rating at all!

[1] Or like the pictures and videos we've all seen, for those of us who lack a basis for comparison :)

Shut up about the ratings on Barbie Dolls! (1)

Rachel Lucid (964267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286075)

You don't want to give these people any MORE ideas, do you?!

Sorry (2, Insightful)

Rinisari (521266) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285811)

Clearly, Mr. Thompson does not understand the technical nature of the problems he addresses with his hellfire and brimstone approach. In both the Hot Coffee and this new Oblivion case, the consumer must have the desire to modify the game in order to access content which the developers did not intend for the consumer to see. Sure, in the Hot Coffee case, the "questionable" content was there but inaccessable in any way through normal operation of them game. In the Oblivion case, the "questionable" content isn't even in the data of the game!

Mr. Thompson should turn his efforts elsewhere. My suggestion would be the consumer instead of the manufacturers, because they are far more likely to listen.

See Subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15285812)

I know what you're all thinking:

"I'd sure like that Jack Thompson to not do that anymore!"

SHOCKING: People are nude under their clothes (5, Insightful)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285815)

This is just ridiculous. If you're going to make an accurate model of a human character, of course you're going to have to start with a naked form and build up from there.

I can understand people getting offended at "Hot Coffee", which was explicitly sexual, but this is just silly. People are naked beneath their clothing. It's true! Take-Two showed more no skin than you'd see in the world normally, but they made the horrible sin of starting from anatomically correct base. You might as well ban mannequins.

s/Take-Two/Bethesda/ (1)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285842)

Oops, that should be Bethesda, not Take-Two. I made the mistake of assuming Thompson at least knew which company he was railing against.

Re:SHOCKING: People are nude under their clothes (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285888)

You might as well ban mannequins.

Don't give him ideas...

Re:SHOCKING: People are nude under their clothes (4, Funny)

Vengeance (46019) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285899)

This reminds me of "The Muppet Show". Sam the Eagle was all in a huff, and gave a speech about the evils of nudity. A reasonable paraphrase goes like this:

People, under their clothes? Nudity!

Birds, under their feathers? Nudity! *looks down, slinks off*

Antidotes? (4, Funny)

thesaint05 (850634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285816)

FTA:

During your interview, Thompson also gives antidotes from his new book, "Out of Harm's Way" (Tyndale House Publishers).

I wish someone would give me an antidote [reference.com] to Jack Thompson...

Earth to Jack... (1)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285825)

Your fifteen minutes of ill-gotten fame are up. You owe us for twenty more, now. Oblivion is going to be a blip on the radar-- its install base is a fraction of GTA's, at best, and while there may be code in there for nudity, the hoops that you have to go through to get to it are hardly worthy of spectacle. Polygon nipples vs. a full-blown sexual mini-game, there's a broad difference of degree, there. One makes for great action shots on Fox News, the other just supports arguments about virtual violence against women (since one can only strip corpses, unless using the editor or stripping a player character); one is spectacular news, the other is sadly hashed over.

Re:Earth to Jack... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15286080)

Your fifteen minutes of ill-gotten fame are up

Fifteen minutes? Jack Tompson has been in the lime light many times, including popular crusades against Rap Music and Horror Movies; I'm reasonably sure he was against pilgrams dancing in the 1500's. The fact is that Jack Tompson always "Piles on" because he has political aspirations but doesn't recognize that he is too easily bated into aggressive comments that he could never be a successful politician.

The actual mod involved has absolutely nothing to do with the re-rating (otherwise the Sims and Tomb Raider would have been rated M) and is entirely a consequence to the ESRBs making a mistake in the first place. The graphic portrail of violence in the game should have made Oblivion a M rated game to begin with; it got a Teen rating because the ESRB rating board doesn't actually play games they just look at videos/screen shots and make a judgement. The ESRB board got hundreds of complaints about how violent Oblivion was and needed to change the rating; they couldn't claim that they were mislead on the violence (because the videos and screen shots were very violent) so they took advantage of a mod that came out.

Jack Tompson will disapear soon enough; when the general public gets bored with watching TV specials on the "Dangers of Videogames" he'll move to the next big danger (possibly the portrail of Drugs in movies, or the homosexual overtones of toddler television).

lol @ jackthompson (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15285845)

Oblivion is only played by fatass RPG lusers who have no real life anyway. Jack Thompson is in-the-right here. He's still a douchebag, though.

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coming from a republican... (0, Flamebait)

Kranfer (620510) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285849)

Even *I* as a republican cannot stand this guy. WTF is wrong with him, was he dropped on his head too many times as a baby or something? Or was he denied a magical sword in some MMORPG?

Re:coming from a republican... (1)

FluffyG (692458) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286015)

I bet someone stole his cloudsong

Whoah, woah, Jack Thompson is a REPUBLICAN?! (1)

Rachel Lucid (964267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286046)

See, with the general tirade against video games and violence therein I would have assumed him to be an off-his-rocker far-off-left Democrat (and yes, I am liberal), but wow, a statement like that makes me think he's actually managed to loop around.

Of course, I wouldn't claim his damn ass if I could help it...

Re:coming from a republican... (2, Funny)

21st Century Peon (812997) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286099)

Was he dropped on his head too many times as a baby?

No, too few.

Re:coming from a republican... (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286133)

Those of us who are Republicans in the spirit of the original principles of the GOP should be especially disgusted by the likes of Jack Thompson. Forming a coalition with the Christian Taliban has destroyed the GOP, and given us the Bush Administration and its brand of Corporate Socialism/Crony Capitalism.

There are too few Republican politicians that hold to traditional GOP principles.

Sure... (2, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285852)

"During your interview, jack explains that this game is an even worse disaster than last year's' "Hot Coffee" scandal in that it has resulted in the re-rating of a "Teen" rated game that kids of all ages have already bought and secondly because it shows that the Take-Two and the ESRB and the industry as a whole learned absolutely nothing from last year's scandal."

OK, as nuts as this guy is, are you kidding me?

A little bit of topless-ness in a game rated T which was sold to kids of all ages is worse that a full sex mini-game, complete with sounds and visuals which was in a game rated MA which was sold to kids of all ages?

Remember kids: Jack Thompson says sex mini-games are better than topless-ness. Just make sure the female isn't topless.

Jack Thompson is a 50 foot rampaging billboard ad. (1)

Stavr0 (35032) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285866)

Hey, Slashdot! Are you suffering from the heartbreak of...Thompson-itis? Then take a tip from Mr. Paul Anka!

To stop Jack Thomspon, one-two-three,
Here's a fresh new way that's trouble-free.
It's got Paul Anka's guarantee...
(Guarantee void in Tennessee.)
Just don't look. Just don't look.

Only when we all stop paying attention will he go away.

Re:Jack Thompson is a 50 foot rampaging billboard (1)

Strell (877448) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285983)

Mmmmmm....sprinkles!

Re:Jack Thompson is a 50 foot rampaging billboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15286089)

Jack is an incurable attention whore. Enough said.

I propose an experiment... (4, Insightful)

TooMuchEspressoGuy (763203) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285875)

...on Mr. Thompson's behalf.

First, get a bunch of gamers together. Give half of them the most violent video game you can think of, and give the other half a bunch of articles/rants by Jack Thompson, and tell each group to play/read for an hour. At the end of that hour, administer a few tests to see how violent each group is.

I guarantee you that the Thompson group will be much more prone to start bashing in heads, particularly Mr. Thompson's.

Why give publicity to this nut? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15285891)

If you RTFA he's 'currently seeking talkshow appearances'. We've established that Jack won't listen to reason, and refuses to do anything but wave his personal flag to anyone who will look in his direction.

At this point WHY are we continuing to provide him with free publicity? Since we now know how he reacts to critism from the hot coffee incident and that he obviously loves being in the spotlight why give him that satisfaction?

Ignore Jack and let him try to get his own media coverage. Don't encourage the crappy behavior.

Only one carefully thought response : (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285906)

Rating, my butt.

Re:Only one carefully thought response : (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15286040)

Ehh, I give it a 4.5. Those jeans kind of make it look fat.

Thompson (1)

Fiachra06 (945611) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285912)

To be honest, I'm not listening to the guy anymore. It used to be that my blood would boil at the sight of his name but he's made a complete arse of himself in the last year or so. Although people still print what he says I'm quite sure it's just because he's one of those publicity train wreaks you can't help but watch.

Most people on the conservative side of the game violence argument have relaised he's a nut and don't want him representing their opinions any more than we want to listen to his lunatic rantings.

Time for a new hobby Jack!

Just makes you realize... (3, Insightful)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285932)

How much Rockstar screwed us over.

I WANT to call this guy an idiot (which he is) and say that there's NO WAY that the publisher should be held responsible for a user-made mod. But last time I did that, it turned out Rockstar actual HAD included the "offending" content, and HAD lied about it. All us gamer types were calling Jack a moron for confusing "official" content with user mods, but he turned out to be right.

So thanks, Rockstar, for being idiots and forgetting to delete the mini-game you had to disable at the last minute to keep your "M" rating. And thanks even MORE for lying about it, making US look like jerks for defending you.

Now there's a shocker (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285938)

Just why is this news? This man would find Pong offensive and dangerous because a modder could change the ball into a CGI testicle. Even worse, the modder could turn the launch sites in Missile Command into big 36DDs that shoot milk at the incoming targets!

Give up on him on Jack. He's a kook and won't change.

Re:Now there's a shocker (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285967)

Because, once again, there are no testicles on the tron disk (or rom). The models that were re-rated in Oblivion ARE on the disk.

Re:Now there's a shocker (1)

knn03 (967441) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286003)

Now that you mention it, the ball does resemble a testicle. And the paddles resemble "you-know-what." In fact, characters in early games were pretty much nude and they didn't even hide the content.

Re:Now there's a shocker (1)

mcsestretch (926118) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286269)

"...the modder could turn the launch sites in Missile Command into big 36DDs that shoot milk at the incoming targets!"

BRILLIANT!!! I've been looking for the game that would make Jack Thompson's head implode!!

[code code code]
No, the milk doesn't look right...
[code code code]

wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15285940)

You know the whole "Hot Coffee" thing is so rediculous.......I mean in a rated r movie, its ok to show full frontal nudity and sex.....but two pixely characters having sex, not to mention like an imposible amount of work and reserch has to be put in to even figure out how to do the cheat isnt ok. Did it really deserve to attention it got. Last time I checked a R rated movie is for 18 and over and so are M rated games.....Another example of old conservative congress men, being complete duchbags

Illegal?! Ourageous (4, Insightful)

DreadPiratePizz (803402) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285968)

"Last summer the video game industry was rocked by revelations that Take-Two Interactive, the makers of the hyper-violent Grand Theft Auto games, had illegally embedded in GTA: San Andreas graphic interactive adult sexual material."

Illegally imbedded? Since when is depicting nuidity in a work of art/literature/film/video game illegal? Pretty sure we can do that given the first amendment. The rating system is not law either, so not showing the ESRB all content is no more illegal. Seems his attitude is a bit skewed.

"It is also clear that Take-Two corporately and its senior officers, including CEO Paul Eibeler, individually, must now be prosecuted criminally for the knowing distribution of "sexual material harmful to minors" which is a felony in most states and nationally. The undersigned intends to work toward that end immediately"

Again, the ratings system is not law. Because a game is rated teen does not mean it is intended to be marketed towards kids. If anything, get on the ESRB for misrepresenting the game. Why not sue every publisher who puts out sexually explicit books. It's not the publisher's responsibility to dictate who should buy their material. His statements are outrageous.

Re:Illegal?! Ourageous (1)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286271)

Um, GTA:San Andreas was already rated M wasn't it?? My thinking was that they pulled it off the shelves to remove the content so they could retain the M. GTA was never MEANT for teens.

Can I be the 1,029,897,858th person to say: (1)

is as us Infinite (920305) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285974)

Fuck you, Jack Thompson!

Man. What a wanker. This is really a case of 'The loudest guy says the most truth,' where JT get's to define this issue to the nation just because he's the most hyperbolically outspoken amongst the critics. And then he gets to cash in on the controversy by also heading the lawsuit against the company. Mmmmm... I hear laughter in the rain, walking hand in hand with my CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Won't somebody think of the money^Wchildren?

I would LOVE to see this guy accepted as a guest on the Daily Show. To watch Mr. Stewart tear him a new one, or at the very least let him talk and let himself look like the total douche he is.

Guh.

New rating: BT (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 8 years ago | (#15285992)

Those games should get a new rating of BT, for boner time! ha ha. Seriously, though, how is this different than kids who watch the scrambled Playboy channel, etc.? If you're going through that trouble to hack the game, you know what you're going to get. The fact that the content doesn't show up during regular game play means that you have to look for it to get it. Any kid with access to the internet can likewise type one word into a search engine and produce dirty pictures. So what's the point? You can't stop it from happening, so block what you must, but moreover, educate the kids.

Racial implications? (2, Interesting)

ofcourseyouare (965770) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286000)

I notice in the article it says, "In Thompson's engrossing memoir...Thompson explains the moral, legal, ethical, and racial implications of this battle" (i.e. the battle against Satan's own game industry) - but Racial implications? Don't suppose anyone's actually read the memoir and can explain what on earth he claims the racial implications might be?

I may have missed something..... (1)

AlbinoChpmnk (701611) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286048)

But what does Take-Two have to do with Oblivion? I thought Oblivion was published by 2K Games and Bethesda Softworks. How does Take-Two factor into this one?

Jack Thompson's proud of this? (1)

mstahl (701501) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286060)

Listed among Jack Thompson's accolades in the article:

...received ACLU's "Top Ten Censors of the Year Award" (1992)

So . . . Jack Thompson doesn't know what the ACLU is? *scratches head*

Re:Jack Thompson's proud of this? (1)

LocalH (28506) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286148)

Oh, you forget, the mindset on the right-wing side is that the ACLU are a bunch of godless commies who are out to destroy the US.

More likely . . . (1)

Rachel Lucid (964267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286160)

Jack Thompson's such an anti-progressive twit that he actually considers this an HONOR of some kind. It's just like the stereotypical princess insulting the Evil Overlord.

ACLU Awards (1)

scolby (838499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286066)

Am I the only one who hopes the ACLU's "Top Ten Censors of the Year Award" mentioned in the article are handed out sarcastically? Otherwise, I'm slightly concerned.

He must play much computer games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15286119)

For someone that's (as I understand it) employed by the public and for the public, he sure must spend a shitload of time playing computer games. Is that really what he's hired to do - play computer games and dream up the most insane ideas on ways to waste taxpayers money on lawsuits?

Sure, he's funny to watch for a while (like a puppy trying to open a swing door, or a cat hunting a laser pointer), but c'mon - this is getting boring.

Perhaps someone should just have him committed, as this person (if it really is a person - for all I know it could be an ELIZA experiment gone south) clearly isn't currently fit to cooexist with "normal" humans. Perhaps bring him out for display every now and then, just to bring up the occasional laugh but more importantly remind people of what happens when you breed too closely related mammals - but besides those occasions I think this experiment should be kept away from humanity, for the good of it.

Re:He must play much computer games (2, Interesting)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286166)

For someone that's (as I understand it) employed by the public and for the public, he sure must spend a shitload of time playing computer games. Is that really what he's hired to do - play computer games and dream up the most insane ideas on ways to waste taxpayers money on lawsuits?

Nah. From what I can tell, he just jumps on the stories after they hit media sources. As soon as it's on GameSpot or Slashdot, it's fair game for him.

Of course, I've only got recent memory to go off of since I was too young to follow these things in the nineties, but I'm almost positive that he has yet to create a scandal...he just jumps in and makes a bigger mess out of what's already there. He's reacting to this after the fact, and I recall him doing the same with Hot Coffee.

I think the only genuine news he's created so far was his "modest proposal," and that was built off of the GTA story.

Could we send this to ALL talk shows (5, Informative)

AzraelKans (697974) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286124)

For those who dont know, all the Mod did is:

It changes the male bare chest texture for the female bare chest (which has a bra)

Theres no "hot coffee" no hidden sex scenes, games, or anything, just some kid who realized in our culture is ok to show male breasts not female breasts you can do this "MOD" in ANY game.

Case closed.

Is there a way to send this info to ALL the talk shows this moron is presenting hilself on? (seriously)

p.s. IMO Oblivion does desserve an M rating theres quite a bit of blood, realistic violence, you can create an "evil" character, and theres some innuendo here and there, worst of all Oblivion (the land) does look a lot like hell. I have no idea why the ESRB didnt rated it "M" in the first place. My guess is they didnt played it at all. ( in which case is the ESRB the one who should be sued)

apples and ... (1)

Taulin (569009) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286152)

Big difference....in one game you get oral sex, in the other, you see plain breasts. Oblivion's problem should not be compared to Hot Coffee

We should consider ourselves lucky... (1)

Farrok (973529) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286179)

that Jack Thompson froths at the mouth with insanity when he speaks, otherwise people might take him more seriously. As much as I hate his perversion of the facts in the incident, he's not wrong that the ESRB totally screwed this one up, and not because of the nudity. The game is way more violent than any other Teen game that I can think of and without a doubt deserved an M rating from the beginning. If some other, more stable and respectable critic of game violence and ESRB ineffectiveness latches on to this to "prove" that the ESRB is broken, they could do so without even mentioning the nudity. That part is basically a non-issue for anyone wishing to bring down the ESRB. Also, is it just me, or does it seem like Jack hates game nudity even more than game violence? Hmm...

Three points. (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286180)

1. Jack is the only disaster I'm seeing.
2. I already know what Jack thinks about video games, I don't need to read his bull**** to figure it out. We all saw this coming.
3. Damn the media for not ignoring him like all the smart people are.

boobies in Oblivion? (3, Funny)

matt328 (916281) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286216)

Woot. I'm buying it. Thanks for the tip, Jackie boy.

Couldn't a kid just Google for porn? (1)

TibbonZero (571809) | more than 8 years ago | (#15286242)

Let's get serious here. In the same (or less) time, couldn't the kid just Google for and download actual porn instead of getting a mod to let your character run around topless?

Also, there isn't much exactly that's 'erotic' or 'pornographic' about your character running around topless anymore than them seeing a statue in a muesum.

Any has anyone considered that to be able to view ANYTHING at a decent quality in this game, you need a really expensive computer and videocard, or really expensive Xbox360 which most kids who would be 'harmed' by this can't afford? I know I can't afford them. However, I can afford google....

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