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PS3 Launch Details Announced

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the that's-a-lot-of-quarters dept.


Sony's conference offered up reassurance that a number of their titles will be playable at this year's E3. The controller will sense movement, allowing the player to move an onscreen avatar 'naturally'. They also released the system's launch details. The North American PS3 launch will occur on Nov. 17th, 2006. The 20GB HDD version will retail for $499, and the 60GB HDD version will go for $599. They promise 4 million launch units by December 31st. Update: 05/09 03:57 GMT by Z : Apparently, not only does the $499 system have a smaller harddrive, but it has fewer features as well.My two cents:

1.) I'm honestly surprised they're this far along with these titles. They may actually make the November launch.
2.) Even through an internet feed, it was obvious the only truly next-gen title there was Heavenly Sword (from the great folks at Ninja Theory). The EyeToy stuff looked cool, but isn't something I'm likely to try out any time soon. Most of the games could have been 360 or even late-lifetime Xbox titles.
3.) I won't be able to review games for this system at the launch price. There's no way I'm dropping $599 for a game console.
4.) The controller orientation thing is ... I don't have the words. Awkward? Cash-in? Cynical? Whatever their intent, it just seems like a bad idea.

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Tags: firezonk plonkzonk (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289767)

firezonk plonkzonk

My favorite part (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289769)

My favorite part was when the Sony rep got up on stage and said that Sony isn't interested in Gimmicks.

And then he demoed a card game that you play with a camera.

And then he demoed a karaoke game.

And then they came out and showed that their fancy new controller is going to be based around the same Goddamn "gimmick" Nintendo came up with last fall.

Just... hilarious. Do these people even think about the things they're saying? There was some absolutely fricking awesome stuff in that press conference, Sony Computer Entertainment would be such a great company if they could just somehow get their executives to stop talking in public.

Re:My favorite part (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289790)

Sony (Score: -1, Redundant)

Controller... (-1, Troll)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289773)

Motion-Sensitive Controller...


Also, what's with the $100 price difference between the 20GB and 40GB model? (Guess that's how they're recouping what they're eating to sell the systems...) /not a fanboy of any specific system

Re:Controller... (1)

LunchTableGoat (235548) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289783)

I'm sure you mean 60 GB model.

Re:Controller... (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289824)

Yup, sorry... but the price difference is still ridiculous. Especially considering 40GB is the ONLY difference.

Re:Controller... (4, Insightful)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289809)

Ripping off live was bad enough, but ripping off the tilt and motion sensing capabilities? AFTER calling it a gimmick. Comeon. I hope Nintendo and Microsoft have enough patents to bury Sony, because they really, freakin' deserve it. Failing that I hope people are smart enough to go with the leaders and not the followers, but I have little to no faith in that.

At the $500 launch price I thought it was going to be at, it was dead to me anyway, but now I wouldn't take it was half that. I prefer to vote with my dollars in a way that encourages innovation, not me-too copycatting.

Re:Controller... (2, Interesting)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289853)

Well, the Live "rip-off" isn't really much of a rip-off anymore, since Xbox has had it for four years already. At this point if you DON'T have a Live-like service with your console, you're not gonna sell. (Even Nintendo's going that route with the -nameless system-.)

$500 ($550 CDN for me) IS a harsh sting... but compared to the $400 (non-crippled model) Xbox 360, it DOES have a Blu-ray drive, which is a nice bonus. (I may not have an HD set right now, but I will get one eventually.)

But still, I wanna see what Nintendo's gonna offer-up tomorrow.

Re:Controller... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289965)

$550 CDN? I bet it's going to be more like $599 CDN for the 20GB model and $699 for the 60GB model.

Re:Controller... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289901)

Yeah, hey. Software patents are okay when they're used against people we don't like, right?

Re:Controller... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289923)

This would be a case of hardware patenting (although there's probably a software system to interpret it as well). As far as I'm aware, slashdot has no issue with patenting engineering innovations in hardware--just software algorithms and such. But then, I could be wrong.

Re:Controller... (4, Funny)

Wilson_6500 (896824) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289825)

Are you kidding?! This is a revolution in gamepads!

Re:Controller... (2, Interesting)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289887)

"Revolution" being the keyword.

I imagine this controller was slapped together in about 3 months, seeing as there were no actual games that supported it, aside from a demo that they openly admitted they modified in the three weeks since they got the new controller.

Not unexpected at all, but still quite shameless.

I'll Wait (2, Insightful)

tealover (187148) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289777)

for it to drop to 299. No way I pay 500 or 600 for this type of device. Especially when games are 60 each.

Holy crap... (1)

leeharris100 (890639) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289779)

Jesus tap dancing christ, that thing is expensive. Looks like I'll be waiting at least a year or two to grab it.

Re:Holy crap... (1)

scum-e-bag (211846) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289828)

I'll also be waiting for quite a while yet. Judging by the xbox360, the only real thing we can expect is more detailed graphics, this new eye candy isn't enough to entice me to hand over my dollars... better gameplay and/or new genres of games would be more likely to get me interested at that price. I'll wait until I can't get any decent games for my xbox and then I might consider getting a ps3 or xbox360.

Even more expensive than 360 (1)

zig973 (841854) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289781)

Step 1: Copy Wii's motion tracking and put it in a clunky two-handed dual shock interface Step 2: Sell PS3 with 1080i support, bunch of other features for $500-600 Step 3: Sell new Sony HDTV's with 1080i to allow games to be seen in full definition Step 4: ??? Step 5: Profit!

Re:Even more expensive than 360 (5, Interesting)

Suddenly_Dead (656421) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289799)

The motion-sensing demo was hilarious. The guy's ship was shaking like crazy, and it was comical seeing him try to keep both hands on the controller while twisting it around. There's a good reason the Wii controller looks like a remote.

The Sony guy also said that they had their hands on the tech for a couple of weeks, suggesting they havn't been working on the feature for a large duration of development. (*hint* *hint*)

Re:Even more expensive than 360 (5, Interesting)

cornface (900179) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289911)

The Sony guy also said that they had their hands on the tech for a couple of weeks, suggesting they havn't been working on the feature for a large duration of development.

Yeah, that was very telling. This was an obvious last minute effort to confuse the market. As sparse as the clapping was throughout the rest of the presentation I almost expected them to get booed when they pulled out the controller.

Re:Even more expensive than 360 (1)

KingBraden (959219) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289819)

I believe you mean 1080p Don't worry if you can't tell the difference, you can still tell everyone how sweet it is.

Re:Even more expensive than 360 (4, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289881)

"Step 1: Copy Wii's motion tracking and put it in a clunky two-handed dual shock interface"

They didn't even copy it very well. There's a reason Nintendo has a sensor that goes under the TV. These dimwits probably just hooked up a couple of accellerometers to the controller.

What annoys me about this isn't that they're copying Nintendo (we ALL knew it would happen), but rather that their inferior knock-off of it will probably make people think the Nintendo's version will be worse!

Enos Lives .. SonEs Evil

Re:Even more expensive than 360 (2, Insightful)

Suddenly_Dead (656421) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289895)

It's probably exclusively to offset the Wii's hype. It won't affect non-fans very much (especially at $499 USD), but it insures that their existing fanbase stays loyal to them.

Re:Even more expensive than 360 (3, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289929)

"It won't affect non-fans very much (especially at $499 USD), but it insures that their existing fanbase stays loyal to them."

If the Sony fanboys have any decency what-so-ever, they'll hang their heads in shame the same way we did when Wii was announced.

Re:Even more expensive than 360 (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289896)

Don't steps 2 and 3 explain step 5, thus voiding the need for step 4?

Re:Even more expensive than 360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289952)

You must be new here...

controller (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289786)

what happened to the boomerang? oh yeah nintendo came out with a real next gen controller and sony copied it. I think this is a good example of why companies like nintendo and apple are so careful about trade secrets. If the ps3 launched with what it had before nintento shoed the wii controller, it would still be a boomerang.

Yikes! $600 console. RIP sony, even FFXIII won`t get me to dish out that much. I feel sorry for people who live in places like the UK. The usual mark up must be even worse over there.

Re:controller (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289829)

Everyone seemed to hate the boomerang. They all thought it looked neat but everyone said it looked uncomfortable. We already knew there would be a new controller design.

Of course, it looks excatly like the PS2 controller (only without a cable).

Also, I've seen some pictures around and the PS3 seems to have gotten slightly fatter so that everything would fit inside.

Re:controller (1)

archen (447353) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289861)

Nintendo keeping secrets seems to have worked this time (more or less). The PS3 controller will be more or less like the PS2 with a gyro. If THAT doesn't sound awkward to use, then I donno what is. Aside from that it's just a gyro that detects pitch, it does not track relative position. I don't see how just tilting a PS2 controller around is going to make a difference in sales. This is a last minute half assed hack and it shows.

Re:controller (2, Interesting)

krotkruton (967718) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289870)

RIP sony

First off, I think the PS3 is overpriced. However, most consoles are more expensive than the previous generation of consoles, depending on how you define a generation. Demand in a growing market and inflation both affect the price here. RIP for overpricing? How about RIP for only have 4 million consoles in the first month.

Where did they get that idea? (5, Interesting)

MaverickUW (177871) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289787)

Wow, Sony as ever shows their originality. I mean, a motion-sensing controller? Who in the hell would have thought of that brilliant idea? Wasn't this one of the same companies who wrote off Nintendo's idea as a gimmick? Wow, ironic the innovation that Sony comes up with. Let's hope for their sake that they didn't take too much away from Nintendo's idea... last thing they need is another company suing them over technology theft in their controllers. BTW, I wonder if Immersion could claim this Dual Shock like controller in violation of their patent too.

As much as the patent system needs to go, companies like Sony almost make you want to have it.

Re:Where did they get that idea? (4, Funny)

despisethesun (880261) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289812)

Just wait for the new handheld Sony will announce at E3 2007: the DSP!

Re:Where did they get that idea? (1)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289909)

I'm not sure where Nintento licensed their motion sensing controller from, but the gyros required to make such a thing work, while not exactly "old news," are available and there is already a company making a similar controller for PC.

Nintendo was the first next-gen console to have this, but, eh, I doubt that there is material at all for a law suit.

Re:Where did they get that idea? (1)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289924)

the nintendo design uses more than just gyros. the ps3 ripoff is a cheap last minute hack - they took the same shit that's out there in a million gyro mice for powerpoint presentations, and stuffed into an original playstation dual shock. it was a desperate bid to steal nintendo's thunder - nothing more, and nothing less.

$499? $599? (5, Interesting)

hirschma (187820) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289788)

Sony, say hello to third place. Consumers, say hello to an emergency price drop scheduled for Spring 2007.

Re:$499? $599? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289945)

I'm not sure why parent is modded down. It seems to me that if these developments are TRUE, Sony just lost the next gen console war before it even started.
I keep hoping that they'll come with a last minute announcement that the price was just a marketing gimmick, and launch at $299 for the only version of PS3 that they ever intended to sell. *sigh*

Comparison with 360 (1)

Nizer (946398) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289794)

For those with 360s - and without trying to incite a flamewar - I'm curious how some of the PS3 features (esp graphical ability) compare?

Re:Comparison with 360 (1)

MHolmesIV (253236) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289818)

They looked very pretty (The PS3) But all of the truly cool stuff EA demod is on both platforms. Also, most of the 3rd party games use standard technologies built by others (Like speedtree, Quake engine, etc), so the differences in gameplay will be negligible, which is a death knell for a system which will be at a minimum $100 more. (I personally expect MS to either drop the price in November, or phase out the core and sell the full system at the core's price - in which case, the difference would be $200... at launch.)

Re:Comparison with 360 (2, Funny)

Nizer (946398) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289868)

Which suggests - PSWii controller aside - that the biggest (perhaps only) differences in the machines are the price and the logo. Question then is whether the market agrees with Sony's assessment that its console brand is worth $100-$200 more than Microsoft's.

Re:Comparison with 360 (2, Interesting)

GreenPlastikMan (881184) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289852)

Considering that at least 5 out of the 10 announced launch titles are games coming out for the 360, there's not much new here. All the online features are straight out of XBOX live. The controller is Wii ripoff. Dev's have already said, that there will be a LOT of overlap in games between PS3 and the 360, since exclusive titles don't make much economic sense when games have similar capabilities. Some very highly respected devs have said that the capabilities of the PS3 is not SO much higher than that of the 360, that it would require them to create a better version for that system, rather than just making ports for each system.

All the EA games will look the same, Band of Brothers trailer looks the same. Sonic looks the same. Stranglehold looks the same. See the trend?

Do I think the PS3 is more powerful than the 360? Yes, but I'm not sure if the margin of capabilities is worth $500 for the smaller of the two, and $600 for the larger one. This is especially true since I'm certain that the 360 premium bundle will drop $100 down to $299. Also those prices don't include accessories. And currently devs are making games on DVDs and don't need the larger capability. Not even the 360 games come even close to maxing out their DVDs. Furthermore, most game devs have reported that they are targetting their games for both systems at 720p, so the 1080p advantage is really not all that substantial.

Re:Comparison with 360 (1)

popo (107611) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289967)

> Not even the 360 games come even close to maxing out their DVDs.

I thought Oblivion was pushing the upper limit of DVD capacity.

Just wait... (1)

breadboy21 (856238) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289806)

until Microsoft drops the price of the 360 models by $100 right before the launch.

What's the point? (3, Insightful)

MaverickUW (177871) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289807)

Um, what's the point with the 20GB hard drive model. Aren't blue-ray disks supposed to start at 25GB, and feasably scale all the way up to 100GB each? I mean, it'd be like putting a 500MB hard drive in a computer with a CD burner.

Re:What's the point? (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289845)

No, it's like putting a 200MB hard drive in a computer with a CD-ROM drive.

We did that back when CDs were new on computers (1994 or so?).

It is still a ton of space. It will work great for save games, cache, downloadable cars/charactes/levels/etc. And if it is expandable (with all the USB ports it ought to be, Nintendo is doing this) then it really isn't a problem.

You may complain about the size. But at least it's there. *cough* *XBox 360* *cough*

Re:What's the point? (2, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289950)

You may complain about the size. But at least it's there. *cough* *XBox 360* *cough*

Excellent! Really, well done! Taking a shot at the X360 core system when a) Sony is also releasing two PS3 models at launch and b) the X360 core with a memory card can play every Xbox 360 game released so far for $160 less than the base PS3 system.

One would hope that, considering Sony's price point, the complaints about the Xbox 360 (apart from the number of available games - which will probably be at worst equal to PS3 at launch if developers of available X360 games have their ports ready) would die out. $500-600?? Considering how much Sony is charging for that 40GB difference I've got to believe that they're going to at least be selling the 20GB version as a big loss leader. Otherwise, they're just gouge-happy...

Re:What's the point? (2, Insightful)

despisethesun (880261) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289858)

You won't be putting games on the hard drive, it will be for downloadable content and saved games.

Re:What's the point? (1)

MaverickUW (177871) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289905)

Except for the line where the next Grand Turismo game is optimized for hard drive use

Re:What's the point? (2, Interesting)

Roguelazer (606927) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289859)

Except you don't install the game onto the drive, the drive is just for updates, saves, and your personal ATRAC3 collection. Haven't you ever used a console?

Re:What's the point? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289862)

I mean, it'd be like putting a 500MB hard drive in a computer with a CD burner.

Sigh. Kids.

Re:What's the point? (1)

chillax137 (612431) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289908)

so you can save your games to play them later

Pathetic. (5, Insightful)

cornface (900179) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289810)

That was the most pathetic E3 conference I have seen. I felt embarrassed for them when they announced the controller and they kept smiling and saying it was their "innovation." Then the nerdy guy got up and demoed it and it looked like it didn't work very well. He could barely land the stupid plane.

The games they showed real footage of didn't look any better than the 360 titles that are already out.

Really sad. This press conference removed most of my desire for a PS3. If you didn't watch it, go grab a copy from somewhere.

Re:Pathetic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289841)

They sure had thick face skins. I imagine getting a BJ from them is like getting one from ....ugh...a teapot?

Insane price (1)

chrispyman (710460) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289811)

At that expensive of a price do they really think the PS3 will become as popular as the PS2 is now? While I understand that most of the early adopters will pay just about anything they'd better be able to drop the price pretty quickly after that.

That said this will probably mean there won't be PS3 shortages this Christmas like there was last year with the Xbox 360.

Re:Insane price (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289864)

Good luck with the shortages.

As far as I know, my local GameStop has sold all their pre-order stock, and I'm pretty sure they have a list of at least 150-200 names of people who want to be called if one shows up.

But the system is $500 for the base, not including games (probably $70 each). Not $200. Not $300. Not $400. $500.

It doesn't matter how many kids want a PS3. With a price of $640 for a base system and two games (not including tax, which would run me about $40 putting the total at $700), just how many parents do you think will buy these things for their kids?

If there is a shortage, it will either be due to VERY low supply, or a sizable increase in the average American's debt.

Re:Insane price (5, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289892)

I forgot to mention. If the rumored $200 Wii price turns out true (along with the $50 games they are talking about), then for that same $640 you could buy a system and NINE games. Nine. Or six games and a bunch of controllers.

Or one Wii for your son, one for your daughter (so they don't fight), and FIVE games to share between them.

Or a Wii ($200), a 360 ($300), and 2-3 games between those two systems. More if the 360 has a price drop (possible to combat the PS3, but not really neccessary with such a high launch point).

Heck, a full 360 (not core) and 3 or 4 games will cost less than the PS3 with one game.

And all this is with the cheaper PS3 price point, no scalping

A running commentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289813)

I know there's a lot over the web now, but here's one running commentary of the event [] that I enjoyed.

The cheek! (1)

OK PC (857190) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289815)

I can't believe Sony had the cheek to say their new controller is innovative! Ignoring the obvious comparisons with the wii controller, Microsoft released a sidewinder control pad for the PC years ago which had this functionality! 55422-5521442?v=glance&n=172282 []

My Thoughts (5, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289821)

Wow. There is so much to say. I watched the whole thing unfold on Engadget/Joystiq.

My first comment is the price. What else can I comment on? $500 FOR THE BASE SYSTEM? You've got to be kidding me! The next step up is $600. And considering you'll probably need a HDTV to get the most out of the system... that is a TON of money.

They got the hard drive right though. MS got that right last time with it built in on the XBox but for some stupid reason they screwed that up with the 360. Now Sony has it right and MS has it backwards.

The games look nice, but nothing revolutionary. The list of titles is all Something 3 and Whatever 4. There wasn't too much new there. Even the new titles were the same old genres.

They "stole" the Wii-mote's features, or at least some of them. It doesn't have the light-gun like positioning. I wonder if they've had this all along or if they did it because of Nintendo. I suspect it was because of Nintendo because I think otherwise we would have heard something about it before, or at least hints. Almost all the demos they showed were the same old control style. I think they just aren't committed to this. And they said they were going to "redesign" the controller from the ugly boomerang thing. They didn't redesign it, they used the PS2 controller with some extra stuff packed in. It looks EXACTLY THE SAME. Don't get me wrong, the PS2 controller was good, but come on. I'm also skeptical about the "it weighs less" part.

I was going to buy a 360 but then they cost too much ($400 for the non-crippled version). Now I'll wait until the redesign. I was going to buy a PS3 but now I'll wait ($500 for the base?). Nintendo has guaranteed that they will launch under $300, with speculation in the $200-$250 range. Nintendo will be able to clean MS and Sony's clocks based on price alone. Not even taking into account all the other great stuff (downloadable library, Wii-mote, great games, etc).

I can't wait for Nintendo's press conference tomorrow.

For the first time since the SNES generation, I won't be buying most of the consoles at launch. I waited a few months on the XBox was I was thrilled to get my PS2. The 360 doesn't excite me that much (mostly a games problem, I'm waiting to see what they show tomorrow). The PS3 doesn't excite me that much (mostly a games problem, we'll see). The Wii has me dreaming. I'll buy 'em all, I'm sure. But you won't see me spend over $300 on the console unless it includes games bundled in.

PS: The Wii is supposed to have a little speaker and some memory in the controller. So when you shoot it like a gun, it makes a gun sound (instead of it coming out of the TV). What a great idea! Your tennis racket makes the sound where your racket is (instead of speakers), your gun too, and anything else. Pure genius.

Re:My Thoughts (1)

FatAlb3rt (533682) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289890)

$500? Guess you've never built a mame cabinet...

Re:My Thoughts (1)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289968)

There's something a little messed up about a culture that is willing to pay hundreds to thousands of dollars on hardware, that they must assemble themselves, but will absolutely rail against the idea of paying a dime for any of the software.

Do you really think that it costs $500 to manufacture a graphics card, when you remove the price of engineering and so forth? How about that $200 aluminum case?

I'm not saying that there's no benefit to a mame cabinet... but, well, you got the free emulator for your PC, so you could download ROMS illegally and play the video games (that you otherwise would have had to pay almost $2.50 for at a used game shop)! Then you're like, "you know what would be even better? Pumping $1000 and tons of effort into a fancy pc case!"

Then this is followed by, "I can't believe companies that want to charge for software!"

I'm not saying that this is you so to speak, but it's mind-blowing to see how much people are willing to pay for hardware, and then they'll freak out about paying for software.

Re:My Thoughts (5, Insightful)

Jerf (17166) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289926)

I suspect it was because of Nintendo because I think otherwise we would have heard something about it before, or at least hints.

My first thought.

This is a big risk for them. Regardless of how it turns out, they've legitimized Nintendo in the eyes of the Sony-Can-Do-No-Wrong hardcore crowd, which is the crowd Sony really had locked up.

However, getting something like this right takes time and a lot of play-testing. If this was a last-minute addition and it's basically a check-box feature, it is extremely like it will not work as well and may even be pratically useless.

Obviously, I can't know; this is just my engineering gut feature. I think if the currently-playable titles pretty much don't use this feature, we can assume it was a last-minute addition.

I await reviews from people who have used both capabilities. But in light of the legimization effect, it had better be a quality, useful implementation, or they're going to be throwing away one of their most useful arguments against Nintendo ("it's a gimmick", certainly a popular opinion) for little gain. Half-assed is worse than no-assed.

Re:My Thoughts (2, Insightful)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289933)

intendo has guaranteed that they will launch under $300, with speculation in the $200-$250 range. Nintendo will be able to clean MS and Sony's clocks based on price alone. Not even taking into account all the other great stuff (downloadable library,

We seem to be of one mind on this one. The lower garunteed price tag and the library of old Nintendo (and some SEGA) games is going to be interesting. The main reason I want a revolution ... excuse me WII is because of that old library. I never owned a system until the pocket gameboy came out in '98 (had a computer instead). I want access to that library of games. First up, FF1.

That sub $300 price point is going to be a key seller to, especially to people without a lot of disposable income. I'm betting on $250 myself. Any word on the starting price of the new games? $50? $60? $70? $80?

Formatted text (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289822)

That site has some of the most unreadable text i have ever seen...

joel: Kaz Hirai is on the stage.
joel: "Technology is just an enabler." "You'll pay tons of money for this device." (Okay, I made up the last one.)
joel: It's really lots of fluff so far, complaining about how much work it was to develop the PS3.
joel: Now he's just yapping about the PS2. 100 million units sold in the half the time of PS1.
joel: Now talking about PSP titles scheduled for release.
joel: Tons of really busy video, including Loco Roco! Huzzah.
joel: Ape Acadamy 2 - an Ape Escape title.
joel: Planet PSP (Working title)
joel: Looks like some sort of online matchup XBox live-esque service for PSP.
joel: B-Boy, a dancing game.
joel: Syphone Filter - Dark Mirror
joel: Talk Man, a game for douchebags in suits.
joel: Gangs of London, a game for smashing people with pipes.
joel: Killzone: Liberation
joel: Now, greatest hits PSP titles.
joel: Ape Ecape on the loose, atv offroad fury, hot shots gold gpen tee, twisted metal head on and wipeout pure
joel: 250k units and 9months witll get to the Greatest HIts
joel: (Yes, we're doing this live. Refresh your browser for the latest updates.)
joel: (Thanks, Tom and Ryan!)
joel: FIrmware upgrades (garrrr), talking about all the new stuff they've added via the updates.
joel: Talking about all the new stuff that showed up at GDC (camera, GPS)
joel: "Please stick around an denjoy."
joel: Now new yorkers are talking about something re: playstation.
joel: It's like they're trying to convince us that Playstation brand should be close to our heart.
joel: Now, London!
joel: Now, Syney! Blu-ray discs, says a friendly aussie.
joel: Capetown, where all colors love Playstation.
joel: Tokyo, where they DON"T SPEAK ANY ENGLISH!!?!?
joel: (But they love playstation)
joel: Mexico City, home of GRAW
joel: DId you know the whole world loves PS3?
joel: You do now!
joel: Now Kaz is jerking it about the "Key features and benefits of the PS3"
joel: "Supercomputers." Check. "Blu-ray." Check. "Pre-installed HDD." BUH!!?
joel: Built-in Wi-Fi (I think they may have said that before, but huzzah.)
joel: Gigabit ethernet for the BITS.
joel: They need to load the Kaz bot with new propaganda.
joel: "80% of all hollywood content support blu-ray."
joel: Still talking a lot about 1080p, but no word if it's rendering at 1080p natively. (I doubt it.)
joel: They're really talking up a lot of smack about the benefit of HD, but will the PS3 be higher rez than the 360?
joel: (5:15PST)
joel: Worldwide launch in November 2006 (Japan, North America, Europe, Australia)
joel: Clear black color at launch.
joel: (Still looked like the george foreman grill.)
joel: Some games at E3 running on final machine.
joel: (Playables, hopefully?)
joel: Huzzah, yes, playable games at Sony booth!
joel: SCE Worldwide Prez Phil Harrison comes on, looking as death campy as usual
joel: (Eat up, son!)
joel: He's going to share some fruits with us
joel: fruits of LABOR
joel: Or, probably, "labour."
joel: Someone is coming up
joel: jaffe?
joel: Oh, no Gran Turismo reator kazunoir yamauchi is coming on stage
joel: He brought first GT prototype in HD
joel: "Gran Turismo HD" at 1080p
joel: Assets from Gt4 at HD quality
joel: (I'm going to describe all the looks frame by frame, 60fps.) Ready?
joel: A title!
joel: (Nevermind, I'm tired.)
joel: He's holding a different controller
joel: Menus optimzed for HD, he says. Music optomized for lite jazz lovers, still.
joel: Motorbikes? Was that in Gt4?
joel: Here it goes... tokyo track.
joel: It looks... nice.
joel: Not great.
joel: It looks like Gt4 in HD, which is not a bad thing, but not stunning, either.
joel: (Just notice the picture stepping on the text. SOrry abou tthat.)
joel: The demos better get better looking than this.
joel: The way they are talking - and i may be wrong - it sure sounds like they are rendering natively in 1080p
joel: Now going to circuit de la sartha I
joel: Talking about quick loading times. 15 seconds, roughly on PS2; PS3 is from HDD... so faster? Yeah, 2-3 seconds.
joel: But I don't think they're loading all that much data, really.)
joel: (I know I sound like I'm totally pooh-poohing this but it's just not that amazing looking.)
joel: It's quite sharp, however. And they're talking about it being (possibly) the first actual, pure digital 1080p signal.
joel: I think they need better environment assets. The cars look great but the environments still looks really flat.
joel: Haha, the crowds look awful. They are frozen in space. That's just silly. WHy would they leave those in
joel: Whoa.
joel: Okya, that is rad - they just did a pan of the background image of the grand canyon. *That's* a high-rez texture.
joel: They hope to deliver the next GT game "not too far from the launch of the PS3."
joel: oh, now, it's a "card-based battle game" prop
joel: Oh, a card-based game that uses the camera to read collectable (?) cards
joel: oh, the camera watches a play board
joel: and putting down the card summons a monster
joel: and you can interact with it with your hands
joel: you can attack by pushing the card
joel: "The EYe of Judgement" is the title
joel: It's like augmented reality Yu-Gi-Oh
joel: Harrison has a 'boss character' card
joel: It's the rubber duck with a flame spurting beak
joel: This is the imagination of Magic: THe Gathering players made into a game
joel: First thought: Will it be a pain in the ass to set up the camera, screen, and board in a comfortable position?
joel: Kaz is comparing online gaming to air conditioning - now a standard feature in cars.
joel: (Sorry)
joel: "myspace" he said it, but just as an example i think. I sort of blanked out
joel: Video chat, friends list, ranking, voice messaging, text messaging. Very Live-like
joel: "Free of charge."
joel: BUt i didn't see "Play games against friends" in the free feature list
joel: kaz is showing PSP playstation 1 emulation; playing it live from a memory stick
joel: He's got shovel nails
joel: Tekken
joel: oops, i meant ridge racer
joel: I got my galaga and galaxian loading screens confused
joel: the 4:3 emulation scren is in the middle of the PSP screen
joel: (ashcraft informed me that Kaz sucks at Ridge Racer)
joel: Oh, you can zoom the content like you can movies
joel: "The Playstation Card" pre-paid for download stuff from the network services
joel: Now showing the "Warhawk" store Buying new levels, new weapons, What's New, Top Ten
joel: Prices like a Tank is listed at $2.95
joel: A level is $7
joel: (ouch!)
joel: Showing singstar with HD content
joel: (this is pretty much the same demo from GDC; buying songs for singstar, etc, a la iTunes. No prices yet.)
joel: "my singstar." Personalized accounts, allowing you to add your performances up to the network
joel: Genji: Based on battles from ancient japan
joel: hundreds of enemy warriors, including the legendary japanese lizard men
joel: ashcraft tells me that there aren't a lot of lizard men in the original 'tale of genji'
joel: also, i'm fairly sure crab robots didn't exist in ancient japan
joel: those wre pretty much korean
joel: The fighting looks nice, but the cool thing is all the rendered people fighting in the background
joel: (about two dozen)
joel: A lull in the demo while the boss enemy doesn't comply
joel: Playable at Sony booth
joel: (Are my words making this all COME ALIVE?)
joel: another game: formula one game
joel: Ah, he's got a 'wing mirror' (aka a rear-view mirror) render on a PSP
joel: pretty cool, if gimicky. could do lots of fun stuff with that feature
joel: (if i knew how to make games)
joel: Now showing 'Heavenly Sword,' another fantasy fighting game
joel: God of Warish
joel: Ooh, crotch shot
joel: Can we say that the PS3 graphics aren't that much better than the 360 yet?
joel: Seems like the environments are more detailed, at least
joel: as in 'larger, more polys'
joel: Okay, more games taht are 'a bit further out.'
joel: I wonder if that means "pre-rendered"
joel: A game with dragons called LAIR
joel: looks gorgeous - a cut above, graphically, than any other games shown in real time
joel: (so let's hope that was real-time, too)
joel: a new Getaway title
joel: Amsterdam, it looks like
joel: lots of bloom; groovy models
joel: (that means nice looking, kids)
joel: Afrika (working title)
joel: A Lion King-like opener, then a big rhino, a giraffe Clearly this is a game where you kill big game for money
joel: (okay, probably not; some lessonabout the circle of life or something)
joel: haha, there wasn't a bit of gameplay shown
joel: Everyboyd's Golf (Hot shots gold)
joel: Higher rez models of the super deformed players
joel: looks creppy in HD
joel: er, creepy
joel: (and by creepy I mean really, really sexy)
joel: Monster Kingdom, with fantastic art deisgn. Very final fantasy summors meets maurice sendak
joel: 'Eight Days' a crime game of some sort. Gangsters in the desert doing gangstery things, like firing weapons at other mobsters
joel: 3rd person gun play
joel: the tweens between animations look really natural
joel: all the camera angles are wrong for actual gameplay, of course
joel: finally, something the crowd seems impressed by
joel: A new Naughty Dog Title: no title shown yet
joel: Pirate ships ,skulls, treasure, modern-day hero
joel: a new pitfall
joel: i mean
joel: i'm asking
joel: not saying
joel: (sorry, missed the questio nmark)
joel: it's like tomb raider FOR BOYS
joel: Oh
joel: The title is called "Naughty Dog"
joel: Resistance: Fall of Man: WW2 never occurs, some aliens come out or something
joel: i think it's a game about the bird flu, with guns
joel: Hey, it's a FPS.
joel: Does it look like killzone Not quite. Does it look great? You betcha. And it's on live hardware.
joel: Looks slightly better than the last time I've seen it.
joel: And the bird flu uses guns, which is really lame
joel: Man, am I mucking up the home page or what? Probably should have put this on its own page.
joel: 32 player online modes
joel: er, 32-player online mode
joel: "That sums up our playable section." That certainly implies they were all actual renders.
joel: I'd like a bombshell now, thanks, Sony.
joel: Now showing a series of in-dev 3rd party titles.
joel: "Assassins Creed" That was pretty (a medievil assasin game)
joel: Nambo is doing a gundam title, which I think we've seen screens of ebfore
joel: Konami is doing an FPS (?) called coded arms assult
joel: RIdge Racer 7
joel: WWII Game: The Game: Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
joel: Tekken: Punch a Girl HD
joel: (aka Tekken 6)
joel: Sonic title with a really catchy theme - why does sonic always get the best music?
joel: includring the trademark sonic 3rd person vehicle combat
joel: (!/?!lfkha;lsfkha)
joel: sega's virtua tennis 3
joel: virtua fighter 5
joel: midway's ohn woo game with chow-yun fat, stranglehold
joel: a new wipeout? now, it's from koei
joel: they're are totally biting the wipeout font
joel: it's a hover racer but with outdoor enviroments
joel: 'fatal inertia'
joel: bladestorm: the hundred years war
joel: another mech game, this time from from software
joel: lots of cool post-processing filters, but not in the gameplay so much, i don't htink
joel: armored core four
joel: EA talkign - time to change the battery!
joel: okay, back
joel: EA is showing live footage of PS3 NBA live
joel: rendering in real time, showing animation
joel: looks really, smooth - always keep feet planted
joel: fall back on the jump shots
joel: ********** now, for a line break ***********
joel: tiger woods motion capture demo
joel: he's looking a little pudgy
joel: the animation is nice, but it's just nicer motion cap
joel: the mouth animation still looks a little funky
joel: "hhahahahahha THAT WAS ON THE SCREWS" - Tiger "Uncanny Valley" Woods
joel: oh, i think I know how to move this after the jump. If this suddenly goes away, it's because I've moved it into a post
joel: madden 07 footage, looks nice. (not unlike the 360 football pre-launch demos)
joel: Need for Speed: Carbon
joel: "Army of Two"
joel: Metal of Honor: Airborne
joel: onones
joel: Final Fantasy 13 on the PS3 footage
joel: really bright colors
joel: okay, I admit it, i'm a little excited
joel: even as it gets more and more baroque, it's hard to hate the final fantasy art direction
joel: metal gear solid 4 on PS3 demo, the crowd goes sort of happy
joel: Gosh, that looks real at times. The washed-out desert palate is really flattering
joel: Ninja is in there mixing it up
joel: Doesn't look like 30FPS
joel: There's a lot of emotion in the animation (the music doesn't hurt)
joel: Liquid Ocelot?
joel: (i must have read that wrong)
joel: I love how Snake looks ancient but meryl still looks young
joel: Snake has a gun in his mouth, ready to off himself
joel: that looks like a great movie
joel: kutaragi is coming on
joel: linen suit, looking sharp
joel: (that suit is rendered in real time, i think)
joel: "One more big secret" says kutaragi
joel: sounds like it's going to be the controller
joel: oh shit, are they going to pull a WEE
joel: "4d world?"
joel: the final controller... looks like the old controller
joel: except chrome
joel: inside it they have added "a powerful and elegant system"
joel: (wireless, of course)
joel: it's goign to have motion control, i bet
joel: $100 bucks says it's motion control
joel: dramatic animation
joel: yup, it's motion control
joel: 6 degree of freedom built in
joel: "no external sensor required"
joel: here's the thing: it controls in 3d, which is great, but i don't think it has any spacial control
joel: so nintendo wee-style games would be impossible, I think
joel: i'm guessing that's a last minute addition
joel: esp. since there aren't any games shown
joel: okay,t hat's the show, i believe
joel: doing wrap up yapping
joel: ah, they're going to show one last game
joel: warhawk modded to use that interface
joel: i can imagine someone will try to do a game where you need to use the controller to naviagte but the analog sticks to aim
joel: dude's being very dramatic with his arm movements
joel: playstation 3: now with revmote and xbox live
joel: "isn't that the coolst thing?" says harrison
joel: kaz is announced global PS3 launch details
joel: "two configurations"
joel: one with 60GB and one with 20GB hdd
joel: ship in japan November 11th for 59,800 yen
joel: for 20gb
joel: open price for 60gb
joel: North AMerican $499 november 17th for 20gb
and $600 for 60 gb
joel: people are saying "jesus christ" "holy shit" "garrrr"
joel: 499 euro/599 euro
joel: 2 million units at launch window they claim
joel: aim for 6 million by march 31 2007 (whatever; good luck)
joel: okay, that's it, finally
joel: Okay, I've got to fiture out how to get this off the main page.
joel: Thanks for reading, folks.
joel: Playable PS3 titles on the floor. More of Kotaku's impressions of the PS3 launch info soon.

Not necessarily a copy of the Wii (4, Informative)

dividedsky319 (907852) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289827)

The controller basically has a gyroscope inside that can detect tilt... and an accelerometer that can detect movement in a particular direction.

This is different from the Wii in that it can't determine its location in 3d space. While the functionality is similar, the Wii still has the upper hand in terms of the "unique" functionality of the controller.

It's a smart move on Sony's part, but the Wii will still be able to do things no other system can.

Re:Not necessarily a copy of the Wii (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289939)

Smart move, but stil dirty and underhandded.

Hmmm (2, Interesting)

jfern (115937) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289832)

I wonder how many people get the cheaper model and add their own Hard Drive?

Re:Hmmm (1)

hardlined (785357) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289942)

I hope they don't try to use some proprietary wiring or something making it difficult to do so.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289953)

Hell if you're gonna bust your balls to install a harddrive yourself, you might as well just dish out for the $599 system eh? Probably be cheaper too actually...

Re:Hmmm (1)

Bionic_Baboon (684462) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289974)

The Playstation 2 will only work with a Sony hard drive, I think it is safe to assume that the PS3 won't be any different.

Wii or 360 (1)

PeeShootr (949875) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289833)

I guess I'll be getting a Wii for the kid and myself to play after all. I am a gamer and all, but I have a family too. My wife will kick my balls in if I spend $600 on a friggen video game. I'll have to either get a Wii or wait until the PS3 forces the price of the 360 down in November.

Decisions, decisions... (4, Funny)

FlamingWombat (901980) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289835)

Gee, which motion-sensitive controller system do I pick? The $199 Wii or the $499/$599 PS3? What a tough decision. Especially when you consider that a) the PS3 has been repeatedly reported, by developers, no less, as being way under-powered, whereas many devs have expressed enthusiasm for making games for the Wii, b) the Revolution's game lineup is, IMO, looking much better than the PS3's, and c) we've yet to hear the last about cool stuff in the Wii (that announcement should be pretty interesting) Let us further consider that for the price of a PS3, I can easily build myself a computer with many times the hard drive space, reasonable comparability hardware-wise (assuming we don't buy into Sony's hype), and the ability to do everything a computer can do that a PS3 can't (i.e. everything but play games and DVDs). Oh, did I mention I can upgrade the PC if I want to? Also that my PC has a much wider range of games than the PS3? Yeah...

Control Bottleneck (2, Insightful)

10Neon (932006) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289840)

Sony actually did Nintendo a big favor by introducing a (somewhat) similar control style: the extreme difficulty in porting games to the Wii will now be somewhat alleviated. Just one less excuse for the 3rd parties.

Re:Control Bottleneck (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289907)

"Sony actually did Nintendo a big favor by introducing a (somewhat) similar control style: the extreme difficulty in porting games to the Wii will now be somewhat alleviated. Just one less excuse for the 3rd parties."

They Sony controller is missing a key super important ingredient that the Wii has: Spatial sensors. Nintendo didn't add that just for the sake of adding it, they added it because it's a crucial aspect to gesture-based games.

I'm worried people are going to play the PS3 version, realize it's not all that good, and think that for half the price it couldn't possibly be any better. Grr.

Re:Control Bottleneck (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289954)

You may not realise this, but Wii supports traditional controllers.

It costs how much? (1)

cloricus (691063) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289844)

Well as a student who's been hanging out for a new console for around a year now I've now seen (almost) clearly what my options are. 1) An expensive and shitty console by ms that is designed to take advantage of my 100" plasma and 2) An expensive and shiny console by sony that is designed to take advantage of my 100" plasma...Oh wait...I'm a poor uni student who can't afford anything more than a 51cm tv and nothing like either of these consoles plus games. All I want to do is play well thought out games that play smoothly and are playable for hours.

Guess it's all up to you now nintendo; provide me with a reasonably priced funbox before the end of the year before I loose faith in the games industry!

About the controller... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289847)

Don't get too excited about it. It's only a gyroscope. It can only track inclinations, not positions like Wii should.

The great lesson of the console wars? (1)

googleaseerch (682399) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289848)

$499 - $599 vs. Revmote-style control It's like these guys can't decide whether they want to win or lose. not to mention the revmote's amazing new control abilities vs. being called 'Wii' etc.

Wait a decade first (-1, Troll)

scenestar (828656) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289856)

I jsut downloaded a rom pack with over 700 snes games.

about 9 years ago i remember some of those cartridges being sold at at least40 bucks a pop (even during the bargin endsales).

Looking back i'm glad i never bought a SNES, and im sure the same can be applied to the ps3

Re:Wait a decade first (1)

scenestar (828656) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289884)

errr, by downloading I mean't "going to a yardsale" and by rom pack I meant "box filled with cartridges."

(you never know when the copyright nazis are snooping)

Re:Wait a decade first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289931)

It's not the same. I own four Japanese super nintendos, some of which have custom paintwork now. I also have a large collection of titles, which cost from $1 - $20 at most. If I want to play something that's emulator only ( like the english translations of Secret of Mana ) I own a flash card.

Nothing compares to playing on an actual console. I look forward, eagerly, to the arrival of N's virtual console feature on the Wii.

Re:Wait a decade first (1)

dgkulzer (909004) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289936)

Lets see.... You can ask that cute girl out now or you can wait until her boobs are down by her knees and her teeth have fallen out. I think I would rather have the newer version :) Waiting a year or so for tech prices to come down is something that I usually do but no way am I going to wait a decade.

O to be Nintendo at this moment (1)

youknowmewell (754551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289865)

If I was Nintendo right now I'd be flipping out.

"That's all they've got? HA!"

You know, I've never owned a PS so I wasn't excited at all about this conference. However, I would have expected a bit more excitement and energy coming from the audience. Where was the roar of the crowd when super-popular games like MSG and FF came on the screen? I expected pandemonium when the controller was revealed, but all I could hear was the deafening silence of an audience completely under-whelmed by the big revelation.

O to be Nintendo at this moment.

Re:O to be Nintendo at this moment (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289935)

Where was the roar of the crowd when super-popular games like MSG and FF came on the screen?

If you were watching a web feed (like from gamespot), they cut to direct-feed video for MGS and FF which would explain why there was no crowd roar (not saying there was any crowd roar, but ...).

O to be Nintendo at this moment.

Or even Microsoft. Nothing shown by Sony trumps the 360 so far, and that controller is very reminiscent of something I assume Microsoft has already patented [] . Since Nintendo has suggested they're trying to carve out their own niche with the Wii, where a "hardcore" gamer would likely buy the Wii and another console, Microsoft looks set to win this time around. Nintendo will "win" by playing a completely different game, and good for them.

I already have a 360, and I'm currently planning on buying a Wii (on the fence leaning towards "buy", but we'll see what Nintendo's press conference has in store tomorrow). I'll probably buy a PS3 at some point in the future, but at this rate that won't be for some years from now. Little innovation (copying Microsoft's Xbox Live and Nintendo's Wii-mote) coupled with a yawn-inducing game line-up and an astronomical price has put me off of even considering a PS3 for now.

sony the inovator (1)

Fluffy_Kitten (911430) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289874)

wow, the analog stick, the rumble pack, the wii-mote functionality, ALL SONY'S IDEA'S!!!111!!!!one-hundred-eleven!!!!111!1!

seriously, the industry has been copying nintendo for the past 20 years... wow

Wow... that's alot of cash. (1)

Frumsapop (227229) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289878)

I don't understand how companies think parents will keep shelling out more and more for these systems. Also, You're going to be spending half of a good computer for just PS stuff. I know hardware costs alot, but sheesh, that is alot of moolah.

Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289885)

Sony copied Nintendo's motion sensing controller. They also reverted back to a cosmetic copy of the PS2's Dualshock 2 controller. I guess they know how to listen to focus groups.

Also the hard drive is officially standard equipment. None of this "core package" bullshit. That bodes extremely well for downloadable content. I predict inexpensive downloadable games will quickly outnumber the $60 bluray discs and become the preferred format by the end of the cycle. Games will come in smaller, more frequent installments and graduate to bluray discs in the form of deluxe collections.

Another note, downloadable Playstation games for the PSP were officially confirmed.

Ballsy moves from Sony. Ballsy. Although I still think the Cell processor is a piece of shit for game development. Unfortunately game developers will be subjected to another era of using a fork to eat soup.

Missed the beginning (5, Funny)

CheechWizz (886957) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289891)

It might be because I missed the start of the presentation, but I don't understand why they were demonstrating Xbox live, xbox360 games and the Wii controller?

lack of innovations? puh-SHAW. (3, Insightful)

muel (132794) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289903)

Oh, come on, guys. You're all missing the amazing way that the PS3 will interact with the game community--BY SQUEEZING OUT THEIR EVERY PENNY. Notice how long the karaoke-game presentation went on about things you can pay to download? "Now, for a fee, you can download levels, weapons and songs!" Kill me. The last thing the gaming world needs is a company encouraging developers to ship incomplete products so that people will rush onto the Sony service and buy useless, overpriced add-on content. That shop idea might've been interesting if Sony had promoted buying, oh, I dunno, GAMES on it.....but as it stands, it's just a money-grubbing version of XBox Live without any of the interesting Arcade games that make the M$ service relatively worthwhile.

Otherwise, ditto on what most everyone else is saying. The games that were presented looked utterly boring. A couple of hack-n-slashers, a camera-dependent card game... are you kidding? Cute as a tech demo, I suppose, but I think we're way past the tech demo stage in May 2006. Watch the Sony vs. M$ debate take its sharpest, quickest turn ever in the next few hours.

consoles are for gaming? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289913)

Am I the only one who views these consoles as subsidized computers? For the first time we have consoles which can output to standard displays (vga-15 for xbox 360 and DVI for PS3).

I was going to go for a cheap xbox 360, but microsoft had to add loads of security crap. The PS3 has an interesting processor to boot. I just wish it had more RAM and no expensive blu-ray :P

As for the lessons of last generation, I think microsoft learned a lot, but sony learned squat.

Not quite a Wiivolution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289915)

I haven't seen any footage of the press conference, and got my real time updates by reading comments to Gamespots feed, but from what I can tell the PS3 controler will only be able to detect tilting. This might be fine for looking around in a FPS game but no good for a Duck Hunt/FPS hybrid, where you aim the controler like a gun. It might open up the possibility for more cross platform releases between the PS3 and the Wii though.

That price mans the 60GB version will be about NZ $1000 compared to the XBox 360's NZ$720. It will be interesting to see if the PS3 will catch on in Japan where the 360 is dead in the water, if it doesn't do too well the Wii could well dominate, despite its radical controller.

Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289917)

Has there been any more news on the whole linux proposition? It's pretty much the only thing that the ps3 still has going for it IMO, but then it will probably be horrible and crippled and I will not buy any game console again for at least a few years.

I'm sorry, but it's just too much $$$ (4, Insightful)

LoveMe2Times (416048) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289930)

Coming out with another year's worth of development time, and the cheap version is still $100 more than MicroSoft's expensive model. That should tell you that it probably will pack the most graphical punch. I'm sorry, though, $499 is just too much. If MicroSoft announces a price cut for the holidays, say $350 or $329 or some such, or a bundle with HD-DVD playback still at $399, a lot of people will probably find the 360 "good enough." Hell, it's quite possible you will be able to get a 360 and a Wii-volution for the price of the PS3. I thought the 360 was going to be dead as soon as the PS3's launch info was announced. Now, I'm not so sure. Just flat out, $499 is out of the question for "working class" people, especially with rising gas prices etc. It's also out of the question for most kids and college students. It's going to be the new Neo-Geo: sure, everybody would *like* to have one, but they buy something they can afford instead. Hell, I make professional wages and have plenty of spending money, but the 360 was already more than I'm willing to spend for a console.

I predict:

1) The PS2 continues to outsell both the 360 and the PS3 through 2007.
2) The 360 outsells PS3 in the US during holiday 2006 season.
3) The PS3 outsells the 360 in Japan during holiday 2006 season. Duh.
4) The DS Lite continues to be the top seller overall.
5) The tilt-sensing abilities of the PS3 controller will be seriously under-utilized, especially in first-gen software as developers scramble to handle HD and online capabilities.

I won't make any Wii-volution predictions until the details come out tomorrow. However, while the PS3's controller might make things interesting for hard-core gamers, it will utterly fail to attract non-gamers, which is really the point of the Wii-mote. One final prediction, though:

6) Nintendo continues to make gobs and gobs of profits, while MS and Sony continue to lose money hand-over-fist.

A Complete Guide to the PS3 Keynote (0, Redundant)

Modab (153378) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289932)

Well well, a bunch of interesting information released today. Let's just see what happened during the keynote...

  • Most brazen attempt at deflating the Nintendo buzz:
    PS3 controllers are gyroscopic! Note that this is similar to, but not identical to the Nintendo control system. Nintendo controllers are gyroscopic, but they also have accelorometers, and a complete 3-d positioning system. You can control a plane with the PS3 controller, but it would be difficult or impossible to swing a sword or lob with a tennis racket, like the Nintendo controller is capable of. But Playstation is doing what it does best, coopting parts of the Nintendo controller (the only truly great thing they have offered for controller evolution is dual analog controls)
  • Biggest risk for Sony:
    The pricing! It could work, as long as consumers realize they are getting a Next-Gen DVD player out of the deal. Figure that a Blue-Ray player or HD-DVD player will retail for $300 or more when the PS3 ships. That means for just $200 (or $300) more you get a next-gen console machine that is as fast or faster than the XBox 360. A $200 savings! The risk, of course, is that noone will care that it plays Blue-Ray, Microsoft will drop the 360 price by $50 when it comes out, and the Nintendo system will have been out for a month selling for only $250. That is tough competition.
  • Next-Generation graphics:
    Well, okay, mostly meh. Lots of promo vids were shown, but you can never trust those. There was a very uninsipiring Gran Turismo HD, lots of "Wow, this is 1080p!" It's fine, but ya know, these resolutions have been running on computers for a long time now, and it isn't that much of a wow factor. What was most impressive was the upgrade in lighting and fluid animation on a few titles. Heavenly Sword looked, well, heavenly. and EA had an impressive line up of sports animation, culminating an an eerily realistic Tiger Woods mug shot. If EA can really put this kind of personality into their sports titles, I could be hooked. But realistically, it seems like this stuff could be showing up on the 360 with little problem. Perhaps the Wii could achieve this too, you know, if it wishes really hard upon its cute little heart.

So the E3 PS3 keynote was a solid performance from Sony, but of course there are still 2 more keynotes to come. PS3 dominance is by no means a sure thing.

It runs linux ffs! (0, Troll)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289940)

I'd rather give my money to sony who have Nvidia hardware and run Linux that any other the others.

Comeon everyone, get your priorities right! If this thing works, OpenGl and the community will rule!

Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15289948)

Isn't it supposed to run Linux natively?

A new low for Sony (1)

Lacobra (954784) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289951)

"We kept is a secret for a long time" Sure you did Sony boy.

That fixes it (1)

Zerth (26112) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289955)

I'll be buying Nintendo right on launch and the other two I'll buy when they meet the following: it falls beneath $200 and it has a game I consider "must have" that isn't available on PC/Nintendo, or even cheaper with a bunch of decent games.

If I wanted to spend $500+ on a gaming system, I'd spend it on upgrades for my computer.

Yeah... (0, Offtopic)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289958) anyone actually cares. I'm waiting for the Infinium Labs Phantom. They've got the better deal from what I hear. And an awesome KB/mousing device as well. Once Infinium comes out with their Phantom all other gaming systems will be like the NES16.


Sergeant Beavis (558225) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289959)

They've screwed it up so bad that Sony has insured that I'll actually have time to play my 360 on Nov 11th.

Oh, and hopefully a Wii too :)

$500/$600!! (1)

OmegaBlac (752432) | more than 8 years ago | (#15289960)

Whoa! That is one expensive rootkit! Seriously, I might have to go with the lay-a-way plan if I hope to buy this console anytime soon. The Wii--despite the weak name--might be first on my list and the PS3 later on when it comes down in price.
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