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12.8 Petabytes, You Say?

Hemos posted more than 7 years ago | from the will-it-happen dept.

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MadUndergrad writes "Dr. Jonathan Spanier from Drexel University has come up with a novel way to greatly increase data storage density: water. Specifically, they propose using hydroxyl ions to stabilize minute ferroelectric wires. These wires could be many times smaller than what is possible today, enabling data densities in the neighborhood of 12-13 PB per cubic centimeter. While there are still many problems to be resolved before drives using these can be manufactured this technology does seem promising. For one thing, it would be non-volatile, but could apparently be made to act as RAM. The fact that this is coming out of a university gives me hope that this technology won't turn out to be just so much vapor."

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Bah (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301626)

To me this idea sounds a little wet.

Oblig. Dexter's Laboratory Joke: (5, Funny)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301629)



A physics professor and his assistant are working on liberating negatively charged hydroxyl ions, when all of a sudden, the assistant says, "Wait, Professor! What if the salicylic acids do not accept the hydroxyl ions?" And the professor responds, "That's no hydroxyl ion! That's my wife!"

Re:Oblig. Dexter's Laboratory Joke: (-1, Troll)

Red_Foreman (877991) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301656)

That makes absolutely no goddamn sense at all.

Mod parent down. -1, Dumbass.

Re:Oblig. Dexter's Laboratory Joke: (1)

ahem (174666) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301744)

First, nice .sig

Second, it's funny because it's not funny.

Mod the parent '-1 Culturally Illiterate'

Re:Oblig. Dexter's Laboratory Joke: (0, Troll)

Red_Foreman (877991) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301801)

It's funny because it's not funny? Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

This sentence should be gut busting hysterical then:

Tommy was a toaster that ran rubber marathons in search of an autonomous chicken breast marinated with intergalactic motor oil.

I know what Dexter's Laboratory is, by the way. It still doesn't make Trip Master Karma-Whore's post funny.

Re:Oblig. Dexter's Laboratory Joke: (1)

fernandoh26 (963204) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301909)

Tommy was a toaster that ran rubber marathons in search of an autonomous chicken breast marinated with intergalactic motor oil.
AHHAHAHHA *busts guy laughing* OW! Oh great now see what you have done....

Re:Oblig. Dexter's Laboratory Joke: (2, Insightful)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301939)

Hmm that's odd, according to this site being moderated funny does not increase Karma /. [slashdot.org] "Note that being moderated Funny doesn't help your karma. You have to be smart, not just a smart-ass.".

So how exactly is he karma whoring?

Re:Oblig. Dexter's Laboratory Joke: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301829)

You don't get it because women don't sleep with you for other reasons than having a headache.

Mod parent up +5 It does make sense!!!!! (5, Informative)

technoextreme (885694) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301879)

http://miru.deviantart.com/journal/ [deviantart.com]
Here is the exact text:
A physics professor and his assistant are working on liberating negatively charged hydroxyl ions, when all of a sudden, the assistant says, "Wait, Professor! What if the salicylic acids do not accept the hydroxyl ions?" And the professor responds, "That's no hydroxyl ion! That's my wife!"
-Joke from Dexter's Laboratory

I've always wanted to understand this joke, from many years ago. @___@;;;
I was reminded of this joke today when we talked about hydroxyls in biology and chemistry. :XD:

To liberate is to set free. The point of this joke is that it's saying that a negatively charged hydroxyl ion is equivalent to a professor's wife. Hydroxyls, which contain at least one hydroxide (-OH), are alcohols. Does the joke mean the wife is drunk?
I then researched salicyclic acids and I found out that salicyclic acid is a plant hormone used as a medicine for acne. More importantly, it is a carboxylic acid. We learned in biology today that an ester linkage is formed between a carboxyl and a hydroxyl, and in this case, salicylic acid and hydroxyl ions create aspirin, the pain reliever.
Now isn't that cool? :D
Lastly, the hydroxyl ion is NEGATIVELY charged, so the wife has had an excess of alcohol.
Basically, therefore, the professor was only trying to give some aspirin to his wife, who has a hangover.
ROTFLMAO.

Btw... I find it creepy that googling this returned six results.

Re:Oblig. Dexter's Laboratory Joke: (1)

Jordanis (955796) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301960)

Aw man, that was the first thing I thought of when I saw 'hydroxyl ion'. Figures I wouldn't be the only one.

Temperature issues? (4, Insightful)

BenJeremy (181303) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301635)

I did not read the article, but I would imagine the usage would be limited by temperature ranges, for that matter, even simple exposure of the components.

Imagine a device with this technology submitted to freezing temperatures?

Re:Temperature issues? (4, Informative)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301659)

Good point, but they're dealing with water at the nanoscale level. In this scale, water molecules act like glue. Besides, after reading another article on water running thru nanotubes below the freezing temperature, I think it's not possible for so water to form ice at the nanoscale.

Re:Temperature issues? (2, Informative)

Amouth (879122) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301980)

All you need for ice is enough water molecules for them to form a crystalline structure. (hit - not many I think 4-6) but water does have a wonderful property.. it doesn't freeze if it is moving..

Backup safety? (4, Funny)

pryonic (938155) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301640)

It'd be pretty annoying if you came back from a run/heavy night's drinking (delete as suits you) and accidentally drank the backup of all your MP3s and pr0n to rehydrate you...

Re:Backup safety? (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301687)

On the other hand this way you can easily get rid of your warez\movies\music\etc in case of a *AA\FBI raid.

Re:Backup safety? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301958)

What's with the backslashes? Fucking annoying to read. Your / broken?

Re:Backup safety? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302097)

True, one subconsciously checks for embedded escape sequences! Let's blame Microsoft..

You'de still be thirsty... (1)

ZSpade (812879) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301710)

After drinking out of 'a glass of water and wire three-billionths of a meter wide'

Re:Backup safety? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302398)

As long as the storage water doesn't taste like p0rn and mp3s. Keith Richards and Ron Jeremy. Burp!!!

DMHO is deadly! (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301654)

I can't believe they would be so irresponsible as to use dihydrogen monoxide [dhmo.org] for data storage. That stuff is deadly!

Re:DMHO is deadly! (2, Insightful)

Kaetemi (928767) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301750)

I can't believe they would be so irresponsible as to use electricity to power a computer. That stuff is deadly!

Re:DMHO is deadly! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302378)

I'm having a hard time imagining which person has less insight - the poster, or the one who modded him as insightful.

Re:DMHO is deadly! (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301952)

It's no more deadly than hydric acid, which is the primary ingredient in many household cleaners.

Re:DMHO is deadly! (3, Funny)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301981)

Doctors and scientists tell us that DHMO is so pervasive in our environment that it can be found in every factory, every business, even every house, in our food and in our bodies! Tests confirm that all softdrinks and bottled water contain large amounts of DHMO. You can even find it in baby formula!

The average adult has something like 5x10^16 picograms of this stuff in his or her body, which is a much higher concetration than the EPA safe levels for lead, asbestos or most industrial solvents.

Won't someone please think of the children?!

non-volatile RAM (0)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301667)

So if you don't want to lose the contents of your RAM I guess you just stick it in the freezer?

I hope he doesn't try using this system in Alaska.

Re:non-volatile RAM (1)

DanQuixote (945427) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302094)


If you happen to RTFA you'll find that...

the editor took a lot of "artistic liberty" in calling it water. They are actually using hydroxyl (OH) ions. Freezing won't be an issue at all here. It wouldn't surprise me if it ends up working at whatever temperature range the read/write transistors can handle.

Large arrays of nano wires seems very feasible. I'm crossing my fingers.

Re:non-volatile RAM (1)

jeffbax (905041) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302449)

I think that the changing structure of water when its frozen (expanded) might fuctz your data ;)

What's that smell? (4, Funny)

isomeme (177414) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301671)

this technology won't turn out to be just so much vapor.

Until the heat sink fails.

Re:What's that smell? (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301884)

Hey, at least it is Water Vapour...

However, if they are really using DHMO, then I bet some Greenpeace freaks will jump to his neck.

Re:What's that smell? (1)

DeafByBeheading (881815) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302319)

Until the heat sink fails.

What are you talking about? This is great: storage and water cooling in one technology!

Misplaced Optimism (4, Insightful)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301673)

"The fact that this is coming out of a university gives me hope that this technology won't turn out to be just so much vapor."

Um... the fact that this is coming from a university suggests to ME that it might be highly impractical, but of some academic interest.

I mean, "university" may rank above "wacky fly-by-night startup looking to fleece investors" on the ol' Trust-o-meter, but the fact that a few academics are studying something certainly doesn't mean it's even potentially viable as a commercial product.

Re:Misplaced Optimism (5, Insightful)

NetDanzr (619387) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301946)

Um... the fact that this is coming from a university suggests to ME that it might be highly impractical, but of some academic interest.

I fully agree. Having spent the last two years working in a business incubator associated with a major research university, I found the following life cycle of new technologies to be true in 95% of cases:

1. Invent something, file an invention disclosure with the university and ask for patenting the idea.
2. File for all grants you can get.
3. Once you run out of grants, declare your intention to commercialize the technology.
4. Secure some start-up funding, primarily in the form of SBIR/STTR grants and angel funding.
5. Once funding is received, declare that the technology is not yet ready and go back to the lab to write more papers on your technology.
6. Repeat and rinse.

I've seen some really ground-breaking technologies in action. One was proven to decrease the level of emissions by 95%. Another promised to replace current heat sinks with a new design that would eliminate computer fans. Yet another has been around since the 1950s; the lead researcher has invented when he was a grad student. Unfortunately, most researchers at the school I was working at were aware of the fact that in the long term having a technology to work on for another decade or more was more lucrative than starting a company and ending with a miniscule ownership share after venture financing.

Re:Misplaced Optimism (1)

Eivind (15695) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302021)

That's the way of things. 95% of all "inventions" turn out not to be such a big deal, or to have practical problems that prevent them from mattering.

There's no alternative though, you gotta fund the 19 sucky inventions to find the one thats gonna work.

I agree it sucks that frequently the publich funds the 20 investors, and shoulders the loss on the 19 non-working ones, only to see the remaining successful invention benefit some corporation that hires the prof (or that the prof starts) rather than those that paid for the ground-research (i.e. the public)

Re:Misplaced Optimism (1)

PipeIsArt (800028) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302337)

Well, at least be glad we are not in Soviet Russia. In Soviet Russia, technologies research you!

Re:Misplaced Optimism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302173)

Some would argue that 1% of a sizeable corporation is much more than professor's payment for 10 years...

Vapour (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301675)

" The fact that this is coming out of a university gives me hope that this technology won't turn out to be just so much vapor.""

Are you saying universities can't produce vapour?

electrolysis? (3, Insightful)

fishyfool (854019) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301677)

the water will have to be de-mineralized to eliminate conductivity.
  whats left is oxygen and hydrogen, with the electricity in the wires running through the wires be strong enough to create electrolysis?
thats not what i'd call non-volatile.

An Excellent Point (2, Interesting)

TheThirdRider (956714) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301996)

that is a very valid point, i work in a nanotech lab. we are working on a project invoving CNTs carbon nanotubes) electrified in water. because of nanotube unique properties, any electrical field is greatly amplified. the small surface area of the nanotubes creates areas of extremely high voltage that can easily cause electrolysis.

Re:electrolysis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302120)

Yeah. I'm sure the university scientist, with his PhD and such, probably just missed the Junior High science class where electrolysis was covered. That's why he didn't think of this. You should probably get in touch with him directly and warn him, ASAP, before someone is seriously injured!

Vaporware? (4, Insightful)

jmcharry (608079) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301679)

Prof. Jonathan Spanier is in Materials Engineering, so I would bet this is a lab demonstration of an effect that might be developed into a technology, not something likely to appear on store shelves in a year or two. Still, it is an important first step in that direction.

Obnoxious Cynicism (3, Insightful)

jsailor (255868) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301686)

Sorry to be so cynical, but why do you put more merit behind something from a University? They're competing for research dollars and don't actually have to produce anything that works in the field or that they'll have to support for many years. In much the same way that corporations extend/enhance the truth to attract customers, Universities extend/enhance the truth to attract grants.

Despite what my tone may reflect, I'm very curious to your thought process.

Re:Obnoxious Cynicism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301732)

My guess is it beats companies where a half dozen people go "Look! we can turn lead into gold! Give us VC!" then it turns out that the people lied, took the suckers money, and left the country.

Sure, a university may or may not be exaggerating their claims for research dollars, but they're not going to disappear overnight, leaving a sign on the door reading "haha suckers!"

Re:Obnoxious Cynicism (1)

MadUndergrad (950779) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301942)

I've seen a number of fantastic stories posted here, and more often than not they are that crazy guy with a startup who's been largely discredited. Sure, the tech may be completely impractical, and they may be gunning for grant money, but if nothing else someone with a doctorate working at a major university is very likely a capable person. I'm not about to sell all my property to invest in this stuff, but considering the amount of new technology that has come out of university research settings, this guy seems more credible than most who would make this sort of claim.

Not vaporware because it's from university? (1)

greenmars (685118) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301696)

Not vaporware because it's from university?

Right, because nobody exaggerates or gins up evidence to write a thesis ...

Isn't... (0)

AchilleTalon (540925) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301700)

640KB supposed to be enough for everyone?

What kind of world are we living in if the sacred words no longer deserved respect!

Enough Isn't Enough anymore (1)

galindox (974012) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302251)

19 years ago I was using 320kb floppy disks with no hardrive, now my computer have A 300 GB HD, that's 983,000 times that capacity so, I'm ready for embrace my liquid petabytes in a couple of years, don't you folks? PD I need a drink

Reality disconnect (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301704)

"The fact that this is coming out of a university gives me hope that this technology won't turn out to be just so much vapor."

You haven't attended university on our planet, have you?

Overheard at Drexel University Lab Party (4, Funny)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301712)

Best tasting mineral water I've ever had! Has a funny aftertaste though...

University (5, Insightful)

linuxwrangler (582055) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301723)

The fact that this is coming out of a university gives me hope that this technology won't turn out to be just so much vapor.


Like Pons & Fleishman's cold fusion? Like the recent Korean cloning fiasco? Like the forestry research papers that were pulled because of political and corporate pressure? Like so many others that have been in the recent news?

Problem is that scientists and researchers can be corrupted by fame, fortune or pressure just like other humans.

I'm not saying that this technology is bogus - I know nothing about the technology or the people involved. But the fact that it comes from a university doesn't offer any special guarantees in my book.

Re:University (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301911)

Like Pons & Fleishman's cold fusion? Like the recent Korean cloning fiasco? Like the forestry research papers that were pulled because of political and corporate pressure? Like so many others that have been in the recent news?

Yes, just like those. The statement by MadUndergrad was, 'this gives me hope', not 'this must be true'.

You make a good point, that science is always evolving, and that we should not stop questioning.... but in a very antagonistic way... could it be...

Problem is that scientists and researchers can be corrupted by fame, fortune or pressure just like other humans.

Ahhhh! I get it, you're one of those! "I hear the jury's still out on this Science thing." Tell me, which is your particular axe: is it Darwinism, or climate change? And by all means, set me straight if I have this wrong somehow. We are interested in the truth here, after all.

Re:University (2, Informative)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301927)

As a Drexel alumnus, I can say with a fair bit of confidence... most of the faculty there have absolutely no moral fiber, and the university is run by a money grubbing asshole who is actually PROUD that he runs it like a business, and not an institute of higher learning.

Get corrupted? Most people there are already corrupt. The little media contact at the bottom of the press release (Phil Teranova) is a manipulative bastard who would stab his mother in the back if it could make him a dime.

Re:University (1)

corblix (856231) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302169)

But the fact that it comes from a university doesn't offer any special guarantees in my book.

Certainly not. But we should recognize that the pressures on academic vs. corporate researchers are very different. And I think the pressures in an academic environment are much less conducive to faking results. For one thing, "how much money will we make off this in the next six months" is not how academics think. So ripping off the customers for a quick buck is much less common. For another, it is generally understood that findings are subject to peer review, unlike the trade-secret mentality in the corporate world. Since faking will probably be discovered, people tend not to do it.

Yes, you can mention high profile announcements from academia that turned out to be problematic. I can think of a couple of others you didn't mention. But that's all I can come up with: a handful. On the other hand, I see bogus, vaporware, and ridiculously biased announcements from the corporate world pretty much on a daily basis. Probably you do, too.

In short, certainly, the academic research world is far, far from perfect. But in terms of integrity and reliability, it is head and shoulders above the corporate world.

Re:University (1)

Spectra72 (13146) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302303)

You certainly have not been keeping up on how much coroporate business interests are funding your "pure" academic researchers these days.

Ripping off a customer for a quick buck? Maybe not. Exagerating claims to get next year's grant or to boost one's chances for tenure? Certainly.

100 Millenia of Data (5, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301751)

Imagine an iPod playing music for 100 millennia without repeating a single song

Thats great until during that 100 millenia you encounter the next Ice Age, it freezes stopping its data transfer to only playing one song, "I Got You Babe" by Sonny & Cher
  - for eternity.

Where to begin? (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301759)

Man...there's so much wrong with this article.

The RAM/NVRAM thing for one... RAM is for speed; NVRAM (including disk drives with random-access method drivers) is for persistent storage. There's no reason to believe that the two won't be the same, but there's also no information given here showing that this stuff is as fast as any RAM.

Thermodynamics for another.

The scaling of density figures ignoring spacing elements.

When did /. become Popular Science?

Re:Where to begin? (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302472)

When did /. become Popular Science?

They haven't. If they did, they'd have to hire editors and fact-checkers. Clearly, we have neither.

HAR HAR HAR (2, Insightful)

flamingdog (16938) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301767)

Sweet Jesus, is this article's sole purpose to be fodder for bad vaporware jokes?

Start cranking 'em out, folks.

On Digg several days ago (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301773)

I know that the quality of /. is up to the community, but c'mon, this story was on Digg at least two days ago. Oy.

Hey Clippy, I forgot what I (5, Funny)

JohnnyGTO (102952) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301776)

called that spreadsheet!!



User: Hey Clippy search for .xls files containing "2006 budget"

Clippy: I see, you want me to spend the rest of eternity searching 13 petabytes for your stupid spreadsheet??! I quit!! User: This maybe the first effective way to get rid of that little twerp.

Re:Hey Clippy, I forgot what I (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302282)

Actually, you'll get a message stating that it's searching, and 120548723093 minutes remaining...
After forty years you return to find that "No Documents Were Found".
  (Windows XP search has been broken since it came out.)

am I the only one old enough... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301780)

to read this, see the word "wire" and think, "OMG it's the return of core memory."

Global Warming - so there's an upside? (0, Offtopic)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301782)

So, the Earth warms, the ice melts, coastlines recede, economies collapse. But WAIT! We get more free memory that you can possibly need. That's got to be good, right?

poster hasn't worked much with universities (2, Insightful)

blackcoot (124938) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301791)

The fact that this is coming out of a university gives me hope that this technology won't turn out to be just so much vapor.

<rant>i don't think the poster has worked with many universities. my experience with using them as subs on r & d projects has been highly mixed — occasionally, you'll find a group that just rocks. the problem is that the remaining 7-9 out of 10 times, you end up just replacing the components that the university was supposed to deliver because they either (a) failed to deliver anything at all (not uncommon) or (b) delivered code that was so horrendously broken that it was less effort to redo their pieces than to shepherd them through the process of fixing things.</rant>

before i'm flamed to death: please note that i didn't say all universities suck (and in particularly, i didn't imply that your university sucks).

Re:poster hasn't worked much with universities (1)

jasonmicron (807603) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301982)

Ahh my friend, I see that you too have dealt with Duke University. Duke does indeed suck.

This _is_ fark.com right? No?

/me runs away

Re:poster hasn't worked much with universities (1)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301985)

So wait, your anecdotal evidence dealing with a few universities (I assume comp sci departments) producing commercial code has exactly what to do with materials engineering of a possible approach that can be sold off to the highest bidder?

Re:poster hasn't worked much with universities (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302092)

Let me guess, you paid them peanuts, right? If you had the proper funding, you would have hired your own researchers. But you decided to cheap out and exploit grad student slave labor, and you got what you paid for.

Couple of questions (4, Funny)

gone.fishing (213219) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301793)

Does this mean that the operating temp range will be 32F - 212F (0C-100C)?

I would have said, If this is vaporware I'd be steamed...

I suppose this will give a whole new meaning to the term "The computer froze up"!

Will we litterally need a bit bucket for overflow?

I better stop now.

Bad physics (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301809)

Without commenting on the competence of the researcher, whoever wrote the press release doesn't have the first idea what they're talking about.

"Ferroelectric materials possess spontaneous and reversible electric dipole moments. These dipole moments are times when the material gains a charge, in this case an electric one. For example, the Earth's magnetic field generates a dipole moment that causes compasses to face north"

First sentence is correct. Second sentence is baloney. A dipole moment is not anything to do with time, and an electric dipole moment does not mean a material gains a net charge, although it might correspond to a charge developing on a certain surface. Third sentence: the dipole moments associated with the earth's magnetization are nothing to do with the dipole moments in a ferroelectric material. The former are the result of intrinsic magnetic moments in atoms, the latter the result of differing charge distributions in materials. Similar names, completely different things.

The usual route from academia to the market place (0, Troll)

Jerry (6400) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301872)

will be followed by this technology, no doubt.

With University and Government funding the researchers will solve the technical problems but not publish the pivital ones. Then they will resign/retire from the University and start their own corporation, using the give-away program Congress has established whereby information that was discovered/learned/developed using public tax monies, and should remain in the public domain, is given to corporations for next to nothing, and some "campaign contributions".

Then, the principal researcher, formerly an academic but now a businessman, will file patents on the key technologies that he discovered while being funded by tax monies. With ethics and morals like that it's no wonder that American corporations are pocketing BILLIONS in excess oil profits during times of scarcity, while defunding retirement accounts and abandoning health insurance programs.

The public, as usual, begins getting billed continually for technology that they payed for in the beginning. Because of this scam we're now paying 10 times or more what we should be paying for medical diagnostics or treatment. Even as I write the cable weather companies are working feverishly behind your backs, bribing politicians and spreading disinformation, in order to gain SOLE control of your taxpayer funded data streaming from weather satellites and NexRad radar data. When you go to a gas/convenience store and pay for gas at the pump using your bank debit card, the store takes 4 or 5 times the value of the gas you pumped and keeps it, interest free, for 3 or 4 days before returning the difference back to your account. For one midwest chain that has 952 outlets I computed that the owners are pocketing over 4 MILLION/year in unearned interest on our money. Meanwhile, those living on a tight budget and unaware that their checking account is being ripped off, pay the bank $35-50 per bounced check, written on money that SHOULD HAVE BEEN in their account.

Evil scams.

The usual rant about academia to the market place. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301962)

"will be followed by this technology, no doubt."

*rant* *rant* *take a breath* *rant* *rant* Why is it the low UID's that lose it? The thing your rant is forgetting is that not ALL university research is government funded. The other thing your rant forgets is that a lot of the research that comes out, while technically correct isn't usable in the marketplace. Someone has to put up the money and do the practical research to make that happen. Can you say risk?

Re:The usual route from academia to the market pla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302288)

"When you go to a gas/convenience store and pay for gas at the pump using your bank debit card, the store takes 4 or 5 times the value of the gas you pumped and keeps it, interest free, for 3 or 4 days before returning the difference back to your account. For one midwest chain that has 952 outlets I computed that the owners are pocketing over 4 MILLION/year in unearned interest on our money. Meanwhile, those living on a tight budget and unaware that their checking account is being ripped off, pay the bank $35-50 per bounced check, written on money that SHOULD HAVE BEEN in their account."

What! Are you some kind of crack smoker? Are you trying to say my $50 tank of gas is actually a loan of $200-$250 and then I get will eventually get a credit for $150-$200? I know you are not saying that, cuz that would be crazy. For some reason, however, that is what it looks like you wrote. If this little "scam" was true, a lot of people would not even be able to pump the gas, because a lot of people do not have $200 sitting in their checking accounts. Please do not spread this crap.

Re:The usual route from academia to the market pla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302350)

"When you go to a gas/convenience store and pay for gas at the pump using your bank debit card, the store takes 4 or 5 times the value of the gas you pumped and keeps it, interest free, for 3 or 4 days before returning the difference back to your account."

Bullshit. The process you describe is illegal. It has also never once happened to me. I watch every single debit card transaction on my accounts and I check them daily.

Go back to your tinfoil hats and conspiracy theories and leave the rest of us in peace.

About those CC's (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301888)

12-13 PB per cubic centimeter.

And what's the density of current storage? While it has a lot of square centimeters, current coatings are rather thin. What would a cubic centimeter of current magnetic disc storage store?

Re:About those CC's (2, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301918)

In the storage world it matters little how densely you can STORE things. It matters how densely you can READ things.

If you stacked the platters you'd get a lot of density but you can't read it because the arm won't fit between two touching plates.

Tom

Re:About those CC's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301991)

Interestingly the other articles I've seen about this have said 100 PB per cubic centimeter. Which is correct? I'm confused.

Animes Galore !!! (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301910)

Yay for Anime fans !

It has become too difficult to cope with all these hoards of anime - no hard disks ever big enough, no cd writer fast enough -

Cavalry on the way it seems. We can speed up 'acquisition' of anime eh ?

1.21 Jiggawatts?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15301938)

Got nuthin.

Oh c'mon (1)

avasol (904335) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301947)

The problem has never been the transfer rate between two nodes. The problem has always been with increasing the capacity of whatever filter (lexical, physical, virtual, layered or parsed) that interprets the information.

Much like brains. We certainly get all the info, but that doesn't make everyone smart. The capacity to process information is what counts, the rest is irrelevant.

I tried to make one of these myself... (2, Funny)

Pichu0102 (916292) | more than 7 years ago | (#15301999)

...But for some reason when I plugged it in my computer started shooting sparks out of the USB port.
What did I do wrong?

Take it easy on academic research (2, Interesting)

JackL (39506) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302015)

The fact that this is coming out of a university gives me hope that this technology won't turn out to be just so much vapor.

I was going to write just how incorrect this statement is, but after reading previoius comments, I feel I need to defend academic research instead of bash it.

The reason why academic research is not likely to pump out an actual product is because it is not the goal of academic research to create a commercially viable project. The goal is usually to explore the basic underpinnings of something of interest, in this case the possibility of hydroxyl ions to stabilize minute ferroelectric wires. Corporations come along later and add engineering to those principles and produce the products we use.

Those who are saying that academic researchers are con men [slashdot.org] in search of funding [slashdot.org] are overstating their case. There are examples of cheating and overstating cases in academic research but they are rare. There are also examples of corporations doing basic research, but they are becoming more rare, too. Bell Labs has all but disappeared, IBM hasn't won my Nobels lately.

Academic research does what it does very very well and quite cheaply (see how much a grad student makes compared to well, anything, really). Corporatations do their research well, too. Just don't confuse the two.

Jack

Vaporware? (1)

overshoot (39700) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302182)

The fact that this is coming out of a university gives me hope that this technology won't turn out to be just so much vapor.
If you calculate the power density required to read/write that data, "vapor" is quite likely exactly what you're likely to get. If it happened to me, I'd be steamed; if it happened to $SIGNIFICANT_OTHER I'd be in really hot water.

obligatory futurama (1)

santaliqueur (893476) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302192)

Leela: "So after I specifically asked you not to touch anything, you drank a bottle of strange blue liquid? It could've been poisonous acid!"

Fry: "It could've been, but chances were equally good it was a petabyte."

no more data corruption! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302237)

This is great. Instead of data corruption, we merely have to worry about data evaporation.

what a joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15302298)

Like most things that are a result of Drexel U., this article is such a joke.

re: Now we only need (1)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302324)

Now we only need a task that requires such capacity!

Re: Now we only need (1)

davonshire (94424) | more than 7 years ago | (#15302361)

Task in hand I sugguest a Life Recorder.

If such a storage device could be made, It could be possible
to store video, audio and even life signs etc in high quality
for the life of a person.

Imagine a personal blackbox for security people etc.

Just a thought.
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