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Microsoft Sides With Nintendo Against Sony

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the fight-fight-fight-fight-fight dept.

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rafemonkey writes "Looks like Microsoft loves the Wii. The Washington Post has an article in which VP Peter Moore says that since the PS3 is so expensive, gamers might as well get an Xbox 360 and a Wii for the cost of one Sony console." From the article: "Microsoft predicted on Tuesday it will have 10 million Xbox 360 consoles in the market before Sony launches the PS3. The high-end Xbox 360 sells for $399, but it does not include a built-in high-definition DVD video player that comes with Sony's PS3. Sony plans to sell a premium PS3 model for $599 when it debuts in North America on November 17, and Nintendo has not yet disclosed pricing for Wii." On that last note there is much speculation that Nintendo is aiming for a $249 price point. Sony's Kaz Hirai has in turn responded that the PlayStation 3 is priced for consumers, who are getting a lot for their money.

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Sorry for the pun (1, Funny)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309753)

I know there are a million of these jokes but I can't help myself:

It looks like I'll be playing my Nintendo into the Wii hours of the night.

Re:Sorry for the pun (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15309811)

wii are annoyed by your attempt at humour.

Re:Sorry for the pun (-1)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309872)

Hopefully there isn't a wiillful rebellion against my karma. =)

Re:Sorry for the pun (2, Interesting)

Chosen Reject (842143) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310036)

I like the name. Not until I read the comments on the original article did I even think of the jokes.

Nintendo has really set themselves apart. Whether people buy two or not, a lot of people are going to be buying the Wii. It will be the console to have and then people will have to decide which other one they get.

It's not surprising that MS would side with Nintendo. In fact, it's a good sign for Nintendo. Last round MS practically ignored Nintendo thinking they weren't a threat, when in reality Sony was so far ahead of them Nintendo was their only real competition, and they lost by a slight margin. Now they're recognizing that Nintendo is the big fish this time around and they have nothing. I don't see them saying, "After buying a 360, buy a Wii instead of a PS3." I see them saying, "After you've bought a Wii, think about a 360."

Speaking of the PS3, what is Kaz Hirai saying? Sure it's priced right for what it has, but the same would be true if it was just a PSX studded with diamonds. But few people are going to want to pay that much money for it. Then he says this:

"What we're presenting to consumers is future-proofed. It's not going to fall by the wayside."

And then goes on to say:

"The only difference is HDMI - and at this point, I don't think many people's TV's have that."

Way to make it so future proof that when peoples's TV's do have that, it won't be available to them without having to buy the console again, albeit cheaper by that time, but how much is any one's guess. Then this:

Some observers have questioned whether Blu-Ray movies will be playable on the PS3 once motion picture companies enable copy protection on the discs.
Hirai said it was "too early to speculate at this point" about such problems.

Even more future proofing.

News pros (2, Informative)

Grrr (16449) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309754)

...that comes with Sony's PS3


Uh, not yet.

<grrr />

Eeep! (2)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309760)

I really, really hate it when Microsoft suggests a strategic alliance against a common foe. Even when that foe is as evil as Sony.

Still, it's not a financial or software alliance, it's really just talk. Otherwise I'd be worried about Nintendo.

Re:Eeep! (4, Insightful)

youknowmewell (754551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309877)

Evil? Why are they evil? Have they killed countless millions of people? Have they disenfranchised an entire population and brought them under a brutal dictatorship? Have they done scientific experiments on unwilling human-beings? Have they enslaved millions of people to do their bidding in extremely harsh and abusive environments? Have they ever attempted ethnic cleansing?

Let's try a less exaggerated term. Unethical or something similar perhaps. Let's keep the use of superlatives like evil for things that really deserve it.

Re:Eeep! (5, Funny)

Marbleless (640965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309920)

>Have they enslaved millions of people to do their bidding in extremely harsh and abusive environments?

Yes, it's called Windows ;)

Seriously though, I agree that calling Microsoft evil is silly.

Re:Eeep! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15309956)


Evil? Why are they evil? Have they killed countless millions of people?
Crashes of MS OS' have killed people by proxy in hospitals.

Have they disenfranchised an entire population and brought them under a brutal dictatorship?
Yes, 90% of computer users who use their software.

Have they done scientific experiments on unwilling human-beings?
Yes, all users of MS software are unwilling beta testers.

Have they enslaved millions of people to do their bidding in extremely harsh and abusive environments?
Yes, shoddy software for maximum profit. The users are slaves.

Have they ever attempted ethnic cleansing?
Not as such although they bend over backwards to help repressive regimes such as China's government.

Yep, they're evil.

Re:Eeep! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15310028)

Crashes of MS OS' have killed people by proxy in hospitals.

Prove it.

Yes, 90% of computer users who use their software.

Bad analogy.

Yes, all users of MS software are unwilling beta testers.

See above.

Yes, shoddy software for maximum profit. The users are slaves.

What? (Mr. Linux User)

Not as such although they bend over backwards to help repressive regimes such as China's government.

Cf. Google.

Yep, they're evil.

Heh. Thanks for playing!

Re:Eeep! (1)

Deinhard (644412) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310059)

Please note that the OP said "Even when that foe is as evil as Sony." There was no mention that Microsoft is evil. That point shouldn't even be up for debate.

Re:Eeep! (1, Insightful)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310051)

I don't actually know what unethical [thefreedictionary.com] means.

I think it's something corporate types say when they mean, "Well, that's kind of icky but it's really ok. No problem as long as it doesn't generate bad press or depress the stock price."

It's true, there are degrees of evil. Evil is not a superlative though.

It's one of these words that people have become scared of using, like "lied." "He mislead the American people," no, he lied to the American people. "Jack Abramoff was unethical," no Jack Abramoff is evil. Sure, he wouldn't win any evil contests with Hitler, but then neither would Saddam Hussein.

I could say that Sony was double-plus ungood if you like, Big Brother.

Oh, and by the way, for the record to people who seem to think I was calling Microsoft evil in my post. In that particular post, I was calling Sony evil.

Sony is evil.

So who do we hate again? (1)

tciny (783938) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309903)

I really cant help myself on this one: I dont want Microsoft extending their monopoly to the living room, I hate Sony for the way they treat their customers and just seem to copy innovation the way Microsoft does, and I'm really getting sick of Mario Kart, Metroid, Zelda, Super Smash Brothers, Pokémon, ....
Nintendo does a lot of innovation in the hardware sector, which I _really_ enjoy, but the software side of things just seems to do the same stuff over and over again. If you look at Mario Kart especially: the gameplay has hardly changed a bit since its first incarnation. Also, when it comes to Nintendo being the poor underdog, just look at what they did with Sega by forcing developers to release their games on the NES/SNES only.

Bottom line seems to be that I really dont want any of this companies to gain market dominance. I want them to constantly challenge each other.

Re:Eeep! (1)

Zemran (3101) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309946)

but the only way Microsoft could get me to buy an xbox would be to give me a free Wii with it. I do not think that would stop my sons from demanding that I buy a PS3 though. One has stacks of Gamecube games (I think he has them all as there were not many) and they both have PS2s with more games than I could count. Would they change now???? NO

Says Microsoft: (0, Redundant)

SpottedKuh (855161) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309766)

"Wii support Nintendo"

/apologies

moo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15309778)

moo

Is that my cow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15309941)

It goes moo.
That IS my cow!

Tricks microsoft (3, Insightful)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309787)

Sounds like they are trying to generate more positive press for the 360 by riding Nintendos coattails from the Revolution presentation.

Re:Tricks microsoft (1)

adam31 (817930) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310001)

This is classic!

Microsoft is scared shitless of the Wii. They know there's no way in hell that Sony won't sell out of PS3s this holiday, so they're not even in the equation. Microsoft is looking at the fact they're going head-to-head with Nintendo for the budget crowd.

Of course, after the dust settles, supply will catch up with demand and the real battle begins. Expect a price drop soon after the holidays from Sony.

I bet he said that... (5, Interesting)

moore.dustin (942289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309790)

While the rest of the world said I will just get a Wii and save the rest or buy games/accessories.

I dont know about the rest of you, but Nintendo really made it easy to choose which next gen to invest in.

Re:I bet he said that... (3, Insightful)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309905)

I agree. The Wii actually looks fun to play, not just the game old crap with a bunch of extra polygons and texels. And the fact that it is priced affordably means I might actually buy one at launch or close to it.

Wii is great if you like Mario, Zelda, and Samus (0, Troll)

xswl0931 (562013) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309928)

Wow, look at all the Wii games Nintendo presented, can't wait to play Mario, Smash Bro's, Zelda, Warioware, and Metroid... AGAIN. Wii needs more 3rd party support.

Re:Wii is great if you like Mario, Zelda, and Samu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15310075)

Nintendo's console doesn't have sequels into the double digits.

Re:I bet he said that... (1, Insightful)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309995)

Nintendo really made it easy to choose which next gen to invest in.

While I plan to get the Wii to checkout the new controller (and some of thier exclusive games), I wouldn't really call Wii a "next-gen" console. Its basically an original Xbox or PS2 with a cool new controller. Looks to have some great games and possibly some awsome new gameplay possibilities with the controller, but at least not "next-gen" the way I think of it.

Now I know lots of people are all "I don't need that eye candy" and I'd agree with that, but it sure is nice. But the thing to remember is the power of the 360 and presumably the PS3 (but thats off the list for pricing related to try to force Blu-ray on its customers) doesn't just provide "eye candy". That power also allows better AI, better physics, etc, etc, etc.

The reason I love gaming is because the emersive elements of it and that is mostly due to storyline (which all can do) and realisim (AI, physics, etc, etc... yes including the evil "eye candy"). While I have great hopes for the Wii and its controller, I've never found the I/O device to a game to have too much of an impact on my enjoyment. Be it mouse/keyboard, dual-shock, joystick, etc, etc. Its always been the story and realisim that makes me enjoy games.

Re:I bet he said that... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15310069)

The GameCube was more powerful than the PS2, and the Wii is double the power of the GameCube, although the graphics may be even more better than that judging from the screenshots shown so far (HDR effects, physics, etc). Indeed at the time the GameCube was estimated to be nearly as powerful as the XBox.

So please explain "Its (sic) basically an original Xbox or PS2 with a cool new controller".

OH!.... (4, Interesting)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309792)

dare I say it? the man is right. The games which come out for the 360 will be pretty much the same as those for the PS3, they have been for the xbox and ps2. There are very few unique games between those two consoles. The Wii will sport unique games from the other two so for me it's a must, also the 360 and PS3 will have similar styles of play, the Wii will be different. If you were to want both styles then it is only logical to get the Wii and 360 for the price of a PS3.

Personally I can only afford one - and because I live in the UK I'll be paying twice what you are anyway *shakes fist* - so for me it'll be the Wii

Re:OH!.... (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309874)

Grand Theft Auto for Gamecube - oops - never saw that one. Oh well.

Re:OH!.... (1)

WedgeTalon (823522) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309896)

Exactly. It's ironic, really. The very reason I never got the original xBox (all of it's good games are either on PC or PS2) could be the very reason I get the 360 instead of PS3.

Re:OH!.... (2, Informative)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309914)

Hmmm...

Disgaea
Phantom Brave
La Pucelle Tactics
Guitar Hero
Katamari Damacy
We Love Katamari
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
God of War
Shadow of the Colossus
Resident Evil 4

and on and on and on....

There are many PS2 exclusives or games exclusive to PS2 and maybe the Cube.

Overall, though, your point is well taken. Most of the games that the mass populace loves (i.e. Sports, Racing, etc.) are available on both systems. So while it *is* kind of a wash there are games that break through this. Games that are worth playing.

Re:OH!.... (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310006)

RE4 came out on the cube long before PS2. It was originally a cube exclusive.

Re:OH!.... (1)

WedgeTalon (823522) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310011)

I don't know, xbox is recruiting more and more devs. Even SquareEnix is going to produce for them. Not to mention FF's creator's studio. And GTA4. I've got a feeling that Sony will see less and less exclusives this time around and consumers - such as myself - will question the worth of paying an extra 200+ to be to play nearly the same set of games.

Re:OH!.... (1)

Cutting_Crew (708624) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310010)

why do people in the UK pay more for the same console>??

Re:OH!.... (1)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310151)

I don't know. The pound is worth loads though which doesn't really help, coupled with the idea that we are just more willing to pay higher prices. Globilisation might help because when people become more aware that things are so much more expensive here than other places. I won't be holding my breath though.

Re:OH!.... (1)

DanHibiki (961690) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310019)

Actualy you got that backwards. All games comming out to the 360 are also comming out on the PS3. However most games comming to PS3 (Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Killzone, GTR, Warhawk ... well the list goes on) will not be on the 360. Or might be EVENTUALY at a lower quality. The only real exclucive title on the X-Box is Halo3, and after H2 it does not seem too apealing.

Re:OH!.... (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310179)

The games which come out for the 360 will be pretty much the same as those for the PS3, they have been for the xbox and ps2.

I balked at the price of the PS3 and am considering getting an Xbox360 sooner or later instead of it (I'm getting the Wii for sure). But I have a PS2 and this is blatantly false.

Games that come to mind immediately (the stuff I bought a PS2 for):
Katamari Damashii / We Love Katamari
Disgaea / Phantom Brave / Makai Kingdom / Disgaea 2 / La Pucelle
Ico / Wanda and the Colassous
Vib Ribbon
Metal Gear Solid Trilogy
Resident Evil 4 (also on the GC, but not on the Xbox)
Final Fantasy series (X and XII)
Dragon Quest 8
Kingdom Hearts I/II
Suikoden
Front Mission

And that's what I can just think off of the top of my head. In fact, that list almost makes me think that once they've got a few revisions on the PS3 hardware and the price comes back to down to reality I might actually get one.

Please no! (5, Insightful)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309797)

"Hirai said different versions of gaming machines will likely be the norm from here on out, likening it to buying a computer today, where buyers can select from different configuration options to what best suits them."

There's a reason I play games on consoles nowadays. Consoles are simple. I really don't want to start having to study the game box to see if my console will play game X for that console.

Re:Please no! (1)

nops (907179) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309887)

"Hirai said different versions of gaming machines will likely be the norm from here on out, likening it to buying a computer today, where buyers can select from different configuration options to what best suits them." The other difference being that you can later upgrade a PC, piece by piece if necessary.

Re:Please no! (0, Troll)

NineNine (235196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309932)

...with each upgrade costing as much as a new console. I'll stick with consoles, thanks.

Re:Please no! (1)

Chosen Reject (842143) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310150)

You're doing it wrong then. I have a four year old PC that I play Half-Life 2 on. AMD 1.2 GHz Athlon XP, 512 MB RAM, and ATI Radeon 9000. There are some games I can't play, yet, but for a four year old PC, that I could upgrade to play Doom 3 and Civ 4 for under $100, and have all the other functionality that PCs have over consoles, I'd say I did pretty well financially.

Re:Please no! (-1, Troll)

nharmon (97591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309943)

Some of us just aren't into "simple" gaming. Don't get me wrong, I can play Tiger Woods with the best of them, but my prefered method of gaming is a complicated Flight Simulator flying with other people on the internet, communicating to them via VoIP. It's a pretty good VR experience.

Re:Please no! (1, Insightful)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310014)

"Some of us just aren't into "simple" gaming."

For someone who isn't into "simple" gaming, you sure have a hard time undertadning simple words. I commented on "simple consoles." There's a big difference. The game can be as complex as it wants to be. I just want the ability to put the disc (or cartridge or whatever) in the slot, hit power, and have the game come up for me to play in a short amount of time. No reading system requirements. No lengthy installs. No worrying about if other games, processes, etc will screw up this game. No worrying about up to date drivers. Just turn on and play.

o rly? (1, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309807)

Microsoft, first give me the Halo series on the Wii (complete with Wiimote control scheme) and then I'll start taking you seriously.

$249 (1, Redundant)

thedogcow (694111) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309812)

The $249 prices seems a little fishy to me. The NES retailed for $199, as did SNES, as did N64, as did GameCube. I am seeing a pattern here.

Re:$249 (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309923)

$250 would also be very close to the XBox, far to close given that the Wii doesn't have much CPU or GPU power, while the XBox360 has plenty of that. And the XBox360 could also still drop in price meaning it would have the same price as the Wii or be even cheaper, this just doesn't fit with Nintendos strategie.

$200 would be an ok price, but only $150 would be a good price. Nintendo wants to open up to new consumers, so a lower price would be logical and almost needed to put some space between 360 and Wii.

Re:$249 (1)

fbjon (692006) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309958)

Well, if it ends up costing $199, I don't really see any reason not to buy one. Or why not three while at it.

Re:$249 (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309960)

Inflation man. Do you really expect them to be able to hold that $199 intro price for all of eternity? $199 back in 1984 was worth a lot more than $199 now. $249 seems like a reasonable increase to move with the times.

Re:$249 (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310058)

I seem to remember getting my NES for $99 back in '86 or '87.

Re:$249 (2, Informative)

windowpain (211052) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310176)

$199 in 1984 dollars is $368.34 in 2005 dollars according to this inflation calculator [westegg.com] . (2005 is the latest year for which they have data.)

Before everyone starts bashing Micro$oft... (1)

mcsestretch (926118) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309813)

remember...Sony is the one who released rootkits on CD.

The only rootkit Microsoft has ever released is Windows.

Its not personal its business... (1)

IHateAllofYou (962039) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309817)

Nintendo hasn't really been a threat to either company for many years. It makes perfect sense that microsoft would rather split your money with nintendo than have you buy a playstation. It's also not unreasonable to say that a parent (unless the kid is spoiled to hell) will not buy their child a playstation 3, Xbox 360 AND Nintendo. Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if this logical assumption was completely untrue at this point. I am also compelled to add that no game could match Double Dragon and Ninja Gaiden for NES.

It makes perfect sense (5, Insightful)

glindsey (73730) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309840)

Of course Microsoft is going to endorse Nintendo over Sony, because the Wii is not as much of a direct competitor to the 360 as the PS3 will be. So MS pushes a "360 for the bling, Wii for the party games" solution.

Microsofts first step in buying Nintendo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15309841)

Maybe this is one of Microsofts attempt to flirt with Nintendo to make them more acceptable for Assimilation?

Getting a lot for thier money!? (-1, Troll)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309842)

the PlayStation 3 is priced for consumers, who are getting a lot for their money wither they want it or not.

Hey, I'm all for bundling if it helps to bring down the price on all the stuff you want but I couldn't care less about getting a Blu-Ray player and I don't want to have it shoved down my thought for an extra couple hundred bucks. I know, I know! Nobody is forcing me to buy one... and I won't. Had they made Blu-Ray an optional extra and knocked the base price down a couple hundred bucks I'd be all for it, but I'm not going to pay for something I don't want just so Sony can win the next-gen DRM battle!

Re:Getting a lot for thier money!? (1)

Krandor3 (621755) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309916)

They can't just make the Blu-Ray optionion because in addition to being able to play movies it is also there to allow game manufacters to put more game data on a single disk. I have games for the current Xbox and PS2 that span more then one DVD. Now with HD quality graphics, the extra storage space on Blu-Ray is going to be used with the PS3. Blu-Ray is there for more then just movies.

Why you'll want to buy an Xbox 360 and a Wii (5, Funny)

sjonke (457707) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309845)

Microsoft's thinking is that every swing of the club/bat/racket Wii remote will send a cooling breeze of air over the Xbox 360, ensuring a longer lifespan for it. Of course this logic is flawed because users of the Wii remote will get so infuriated with the voodoo, not quite in sync gameplay of Wii games that they'll throw the Wii remote and nunchaka with great force, likely hitting the Xbox 360 in the process.

They're definitely on to something (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15309847)

If you really think about it, the xBox360 and the Wii are more complementary than they are competitive. The 360 will of course sate anybody's need for HD gaming (and, when the time comes, HD-DVD as well with the add-on) and (though I'm personally not a fan) Halo 3. The Wii will offer gameplay experiences not available elsewhere.

All for roughly the price of a system with a three-generation old controller (but crappier - no rumble support and unresponsive 3D movement) that will offer no visual improvement over the 360. Unless Blu-Ray really IS all it's cracked up to be, I really don't see the advantage of buying the PS3 over the competition.

Re:They're definitely on to something (0, Troll)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309904)

re:"unresponsive 3D movement)"

COOL! What games did you try it with? I've been watching Slashdot for ages for some hands-on reports with the PS3. Please tell us!

Re:They're definitely on to something (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15309951)

I watched their E3 presentation - pretty significant delay between the controller motion and the movement of the virtual boat.

Yeah, they can probably optimize that, but I'll still miss the rumble.

Re:They're definitely on to something (0, Troll)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310017)

"The virtual boat" - COOL - what price point is VIRTUAL BOAT coming out at? Will there be a PSP tie-in so we can play VIRTUAL BOAT on the road and update VIRTUAL BOAT at home?

Re:They're definitely on to something (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15310088)

Um, what?

For their E3 presentation, Sony demonstrated the 3D motion of the controller by steering a boat (I honestly don't remember the name of the game, or whether or not it was just a plain tech demo to demonstrate the technology). If I've somehow offended you by referring to it as a "virtual boat" please accept my humblest apologies.

Re:They're definitely on to something (0, Troll)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310166)

COOL! When is A PLAIN TECH DEMO going to be released? What price point will A PLAIN TECH DEMO come out at? Will A PLAIN TECH DEMO offer PSP integration so we can play A PLAIN TECH DEMO on the road?

MS has said this lots of times before (4, Insightful)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309854)

Microsoft has said this before. When Nintendo first showed off the controller, MS called it "innovative" (the same buzzword they used when they were trying to protect themselves from the Justice Department, e.g. "freedom to innovate"). In every interview I've ever read since then, the interviewers hit hard with Sony/Microsoft questions then always toss in "So what do you think of Nintendo?" You always get "Revolution/Wii's innovative" and "I can't wait to play X Mario, Y Zelda, etc."

Does this mean a deathknell for Nintendo? Not at all. At their core, Moore, Allard, etc. are gamers. They're MS businessmen, but they're gamers. They know what good games look like and try to court the best talent (well, except Rare... :P ). I'm sure if Nintendo hung up the towel they would have no problem letting them develop on Xbox 460 and a Halftwist, but I don't think they're serious about buying them out or forming a partnership.

Re:MS has said this lots of times before (4, Interesting)

barawn (25691) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310085)

but I don't think they're serious about buying them out or forming a partnership.

Well, buying them out is a non-starter, as has been mentioned many times before. Nintendo's a 116-year old company. To them, Microsoft would be this little kid coming up and saying 'hey, I got 100 bucks from my parents, can I have your house?' Nintendo - the company - is worth a lot more to them than Microsoft would be willing to pay.

But I think you're right in that Microsoft definitely is not trying to compete with Nintendo. There was a quote from an editor at 1UP [1up.com] that sums this up nicely:

Nintendo's "job" now is to keep everyone honest. They're the voice that the industry needs.They're the conscience, and the guy at the back of the room reminding everyone why we got into this stuff in the first place.


Microsoft is targeting core gamers. That market isn't expanding (they're just spending more money, but that will of course end). In Japan, it's contracting. Moreover, modern gaming is getting more expensive, and margins are becoming much thinner, but hardcore gamers won't accept any less - they expect graphics to improve, effects to get bigger and better, etc.

Which means that, in some sense, Microsoft and Sony need Nintendo to succeed. I don't think Sony's figured that out yet (probably because Nintendo is out back in a Japanese alley beating Sony's new baby PSP into a bloody pulp) but I think Nintendo has.

Fixed (0, Flamebait)

WedgeTalon (823522) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309861)

Sony's Kaz Hirai has in turn responded that the PlayStation 3 is priced for consumers, who are getting a lot less for their money.

There, fixed that for ya.

it is a sign microsoft is scared (2, Insightful)

ActionAL (260721) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309868)

if microsoft wasn't scared of the ps3 they would stand on their own two feet and say, screw the wii, screw the ps3, we're gonna win all by ourselves.

but now they're saying oh crap we need a buddy cuz the ps3 scares the pants off us.

microsoft complaining about the ps3 price is dumb, the xbox360 premium's market price was $800-1000 on ebay for the first 5 months. if tons of people are willing to pay that much for an xbox360, (which does not have a 60gig hdd, hi-def DVD drive, integrated wi-fi) then people will easily pay $600 for a ps3 that has a 60gig hdd and a BluRay DVD drive and integrated wi-fi.

Re:it is a sign microsoft is scared (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309977)

the xbox360 premium's market price was $800-1000 on ebay

There's a difference between what people are willing to pay and what the original MSRP is.

Re:it is a sign microsoft is scared (1)

randyflood (183756) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310135)


The PS/3 is priced for early adopters, who will clearly pay that price if they paid $800-1000 for the X-box. The thing about the X-box is that the demand far exceeded the supply, which artificially drove up the price. They can always lower the price of the PS/3 based on their sales figures.

Having the blue-ray built in makes a lot of sense. It means you can have better games which leads to a sustained competitive advantage. Having wifi built in makes a lot of sense too because it probably didn't increase their cost of production very much.

I think that what will matter in the end is how good the unique games are.

An even better deal... (2, Insightful)

clevershark (130296) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309879)

Skip the 360 and get the Wii! You'll not only save money, but also the time involved in shopping until you actually find a 360 for sale (and none of that "Core" crap either).

Re:An even better deal... (1)

mzwaterski (802371) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310148)

You'll not only save money, but also the time involved in shopping until you actually find a 360 for sale
Took me 30 seconds to find the 360 for sale: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000 EFXG1G/sr=8-2/qid=1147368792/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-9847 982-6153402?_encoding=UTF8&v=glance [amazon.com]

Sony's tricks again.... (3, Informative)

yeoua (86835) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309883)

"We felt that if you want to save something on your Memory Stick, most people have those readers on their PC, which is easily adaptable to the PlayStation 3 with a USB cord," said Hirai. "The only difference is HDMI - and at this point, I don't think many people's TV's have that. The ultimate result, to my eyes anyway, is there's not a discernable difference between what you get between HDMI and other forms of high definition."

This seems utterly bizarre. Over the course of the PS3's development, Sony has promised quite a bit, and yes they did include most of what they said (Cell, Blu Ray), but one of the biggest bits of HD. And now the president says there aren't enough TV's to warrant putting HDMI on the low end PS3?

Wasn't Nintendo getting flak for just this for the entire time that they said that HD wasn't yet the norm? Granted... Nintendo's max resolution still pales to the PS3's max resolution even without the HDMI.. but BluRay movies with the DRM bit set won't even work at max resolution on the low end PS3. Perhaps this was the point of the delay over the DRM announced previously.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (4, Funny)

TheNoxx (412624) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309886)

After seeing things like the recent real-time trailer for Metal Gear Solid 4 [youtube.com] , Sony could ask for my left nut and $600, and I'd still go for it.

Re:I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15309988)

Yep, you and all the other Sony fanboy idiots. Yes, let's all go buy a system that costs as much as the other two put together that hardly has any (truly) exclusive titles anymore and can't really do anything special gamewise (it IS a GAMING system after all) that the 360 and Wii aren't doing better. Pure jenius. (misspelling intentional)

Re:I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15310084)

Hmm, you might want them to take the right one as well. We're trying to weed stupidity out of the gene pool.

From the CNN Article (1)

sehryan (412731) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309893)

"We felt that if you want to save something on your Memory Stick, most people have those readers on their PC, which is easily adaptable to the PlayStation 3 with a USB cord," said Hirai.

So, if I am reading this right, Sony wants me to park my computer next to my console. Like I don't have enough under the TV as it stands right now.

Covert browser war? (1)

Irish_Samurai (224931) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309894)

What, does the Opera browser coming with the Wii's search bar now default to MSN?

An even better pricepoint (1)

fastgood (714723) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309895)

there is much speculation that Nintendo is aiming for a $249 price point.

How about giving away the console with the purchase of the first game -- "Buy a Wii get one Free"

If Nintendo sells a base unit for $59, they can lose just as much as Microsoft does, for each one sold!

Piggies (2, Funny)

Uncle Op (541486) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309897)

This little PC goes to market, this little PS3 gets none, and this little one goes "Wii wii wii" all the way home.

Good for Microsoft? (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309907)

Of course this is good for Microsoft - they can sell even more Xbox 360's and lose money faster! I think they're going for some kind of record, or looking for a really good tax write off strategy.

Re:Good for Microsoft? (1)

GrumblyStuff (870046) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309959)

Um, if we give them money for 360s, we're offsetting the manufacturing costs and, thus, saving MS money. But you're close. We just have to buy enough to trick them into making a lot of consoles quickly only to see demand fizzle.

Oh good lord... (1)

Nijika (525558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309913)

The man has a point! Am I in the right dimension, am I siding with a Microsoft rep?? I may have to get a 360 now with my Wii...

Spin, Spin, Spin (3, Interesting)

jj00 (599158) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309918)


The PS3 will cost $599 WITH a Blu-Ray drive.

XBox 360 costs $399, how much will will you pay if you want to add on the HD-DVD drive? I would think it would cost at least $200 dollars.

$399 + $200 = $599!!

Re:Spin, Spin, Spin (1)

nops (907179) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309991)

So what you're saying is that you can upgrade a 360, but not a PS3? Not that much of a selling point.

Re:Spin, Spin, Spin (1)

robogun (466062) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310009)

Sure, you can pay $200 now for a 1st generation HD DVD player. But most in here will wait till the price comes down & you can get a 2nd gen $49 HD, +DVD on down Burner. For PC.

Re:Spin, Spin, Spin (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310042)

XBox 360 costs $399, how much will will you pay if you want to add on the HD-DVD drive? I would think it would cost at least $200 dollars.

But what if I don't want either Bluray or HD-DVD because of draconian DRM, what if I'd rather just upconvert until the market gets its head out of its ass? Yeah it might be awhile, but Faroudja can do some magical shit with their line processors...

Re:Spin, Spin, Spin (1)

Deltaanime (932261) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310100)

The important point is the if - You don't get this option with the PS3. I'm betting if sony was able to sell a non blu-ray enabled version for a ton less, people would snap is up pretty quick.

Or.. just buy two Wii (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15309964)

... So I can say I am playing with my Wii Wii...

Sniff (1, Troll)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309979)

Competition...

brings a tear to me eye...

*sniff*

Blu-ray vs. HD DVD (1, Offtopic)

CyberSlugGump (609485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15309983)


Could part of the reason be that Microsoft is backing HD DVD while Sony is backing Blu-ray?
The indiferrent party to my enemy is my friend.

Read between the lines (2, Insightful)

not already in use (972294) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310005)

Microsoft's decision to speak out publicly against Sony and in favor of Nintendo has to do with only one thing: HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray. I mean, you are essentially getting your moneys worth when buying a PS3, considering the price of a standalone next-gen DVD player. Just look at the amount of money Sony will be losing per console--and keep in mind, this is money lost at wholesale value. The customer is getting a $900 value at Sony's $400 expense, according to estimates claiming that the cost to produce the PS3 sits somewhere around $900. While this isn't uncommon for a company to lose money on each console sold, Sony has more to lose than anyone else. If Blu-Ray does not become the defacto standard of next-gen DVD, Sony will be facing a huge loss creating what will be considered just another proprietary format used primarily in Sony's hardware.

Re:Read between the lines (1)

WedgeTalon (823522) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310064)

But why the heck do I want this fledgling format which may not make it longer than a couple years? I, Average Joe, has just finished replacing all of my VHS with DVD and NOW I'm going to have to do it all over again for a much higher price?

And why, really, do I want this in my video game console? I'm more interested in being able to play video games on it than "Another Boat Sinks in the Water 12".

A lot for their money? (1)

yanos (633109) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310043)



I not so sure about that. My guess is that we won't see a marginal difference between the 360 and ps3 graphics until a few years down the road. And what percentage of this outrageously high price comes from sony's insistance of putting a blue ray drive into that thing? A game on a blue ray media will be better because of what again?

True, to some extent. (1)

cno3 (197688) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310056)

I think this is probably true for hardcore gamers, especially since a lot of third-party content will be near identical for the PS3 and 360 (EA has admitted as much at E3). His plan is my own, and I was holding out on buying a 360 until Sony dropped their price bomb.

But I don't think for a minute that Microsoft will be able to ride Nintendo's coattails into sales to non-gamers. Too many of the games for the other two consoles are sequels of long-running franchises or games with overly-complex controls. At best they can hope for a halo effect (pardon the pun), where gamers playing games for the first time on the Wii might want to see what the fuss is about elsewhere.

And so . . . (1, Redundant)

kai.chan (795863) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310057)

And so, Microsoft's console market take-over strategy has begun. For years, I have been telling people that Microsoft is not entering the console market to give consumers "choice". Surprisingly, even a large portion of Slashdot readers have purchased the Xbox, despite turning around to bash Microsoft on Slashdot.

Absolutely no company is willing to take such massive losses in hopes to enter a competitive market. The return in a competitive market is simply very small compared to the losses incurred by Microsoft's brute-force entry into the market. Microsoft is entering the console market to create another monopoly.

Microsoft's plan of action is to take out Sony. Once Sony is out of the picture, Microsoft will slowly tie users to various Microsoft services and begin to use more leverage from their existing monopolies.

Once the users cannot switch, Nintendo have little chance of winning. Microsoft will then stop funding R&D to make up for all that lost capital. Stifling innovation at the cost of consumers.

This "alliance" is their first-step to their eventual domination of the console market. As consumers, it would be in our best interest NOT to support Microsoft in their endeavors.

f*irSt (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15310066)

Not something I thought I'd see on CNN (1)

Yoje (140707) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310070)

"My wallet just cried," wrote one gamer, who calls himself 'DingoStoleMyBaby' on Shacknews.com.

Never thought I'd ever see the word "DingoStoleMyBaby" on CNN. You would think of all the sources available to them, they could pull a better "Damn this console is too high" quote from somewhere else.

Oh yeah, one more thing: TFA is wrong. (0, Troll)

TheNoxx (412624) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310076)

From TFA:
"Microsoft predicted on Tuesday it will have 10 million Xbox 360 consoles in the market before Sony launches the PS3. The high-end Xbox 360 sells for $399, but it does not include a built-in high-definition DVD video player that comes with Sony's PS3. Sony plans to sell a premium PS3 model for $599 when it debuts in North America on November 17, and Nintendo has not yet disclosed pricing for Wii."


Uh, I guess the Washington Post can't even count [gamestop.com] . The stripped down 360 costs $399, the higher-end costs $499 and that's without the HD-DVD. Plus, Sony's online play is free, and MS charges $50 a year for theirs. In fact, the 360's real "high-end" bundle costs $599, remember? All Sony has to do is throw in a couple games and they'd have MS beat already.

Re:Oh yeah, one more thing: TFA is wrong. (1)

DanHibiki (961690) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310099)

Logic and Microsoft have never been friends.

Was Blu-ray a good move? (3, Insightful)

Vesuvias (584893) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310167)

This all boils back down to blu-ray, and the response from E3 maybe sony's first really good test of how receptive thier customers will be to the product. Basically for Sony Blu-ray added one year and 200$ to thier console. They probably should have done a little bit better market research if they were expecting better product reception. Sony intermixed too seperate markets of thier company hoping to leverage the success in one to bolster the other. It's too early to call but it certianly very clear now how risky this is for them.

In a wierd ironic twist Microsoft will now start leveraging its dominance in the OS market with Vista's support for live anywhere to help it's console and this strategy seems to be very well concieved (as oppossed to Sonys). Then agian its not so wierd to expect Microsoft to be the Master at leveraging its OS effectivly (like they haven't done that before).

It's too early to call this whole console war (but it sure is fun to speculate isn't it :) ) however Microsoft and Nintendo seem to both be positioned well. Sony however seems to have only it's current last gen user base (no small factor though) to help bolster demand for the PS3. I think Blu-ray may have been too risky a bet for them.

Ves

Classic Microsoft Strategy... (1)

jcenters (570494) | more than 8 years ago | (#15310169)

...get Sony out of the picture, buy Nintendo.
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