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Oracle to Boost AJAX, Java

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the who-doesn't-like-a-little-pick-me-up dept.

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InfoWorldMike writes "Oracle will submit its AJAX render kit to the open source community, and announce a reference implementation of the Java Persistence Architecture at next week's JavaOne conference." From the article: "To bolster AJAX, Oracle will submit its AJAX render kit to the open source community as a follow-up to a previous donation of JavaServer Faces (JSF) components. 'It allows people to work with the JSF components but [they] can display that using AJAX technology, which basically allows them to [have] a much richer environment in the browser,' said Ted Farrell, chief architect and vice president of tools and middleware at Oracle. "

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grar (4, Insightful)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15318124)

Am I the only one that cringes when people say they want to give me a "richer environment"?

Re:grar (2, Interesting)

baadger (764884) | more than 8 years ago | (#15318184)

a richer environment is what you give plants when you give in the form of manure.

Re:grar (-1, Flamebait)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 8 years ago | (#15319156)

a richer environment is what you give plants when you give in the form of manure.

No, a richer environment is when you have more of the things you need to thrive on.

When you give babies toys to stiumlate their brain, attention, and good food, for the baby, that is a richer environment for the baby. Most espeically if any of those things were lacking.

A rich environment is one in which something is abundant. Like --- an oxygen-rich atmosphere. Nutrient-rich soil. A target-rich environment.

A richer environment doesn't imply manure, nor does it refer strictly to plants.

Cheers

Re:grar (1)

baadger (764884) | more than 8 years ago | (#15319546)

...yes we know

Hopefully, you are the only one.... (2, Interesting)

ip_freely_2000 (577249) | more than 8 years ago | (#15318269)

AJAX and techs of it's ilk are providing corporate developers the tools to better address business requirements and do it faster. Part of the long-term stateless web-based app dev that we've been suffering through since the client/server days has been presentation and smarter data delivery between the user and the back-end.

I've never been one to jump on bandwagons, but AJAX really does make not only my job easier, but the 'richer' apps make the business-side end-user's job easier as well.

Re:grar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15318718)

Yes.

grar-Fear of change. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15318943)

"Am I the only one that cringes when people say they want to give me a "richer environment"?"

Would you feel better if they said they were going to give you a "poorer environment"?

Anyway you don't have to use it. It's just a tool.

Re:grar-Fear of change. (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329752)

I do have to use it if one of the sites I use decides to gratuitously implement this crap.

At least it's better than ActiveX.

Good open source support from Oracle (2, Interesting)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 8 years ago | (#15318135)

When I was working on the PMD [sf.net] plugin for JDeveloper I had some problems getting it up to date for JDev 10.1.3. But a couple of Oracle guys monitor the JDev forums and were quite helpful in sorting through the updates.

End result was that I was able to get rid of a bunch of my old JList hackery and just use their built in CompilerPage component; good times. Screenshots [blogs.com] are here...

Listen ... can you hear it ? (1)

subStance (618153) | more than 8 years ago | (#15318196)

That's the sound a thousands of Java devs thinking "so what".

Oracle *really* wants to be seen as a market leader in java, but the last time they did anything really innovative was Java Stored Procedures, and that was the 1990s. The only people I've ever met who use Oracle Java products (eg Oracle Application Server) were people who liked being wined and dined by a sales rep. I've never met anyone who did their own performance tests and ended up choosing OAS.

Happy to be proven wrong, but 7+ years since the last success story makes me think there ain't much more to come from these guys. Jump on a buzzword and rush an average product to market, hoping to piggyback sales off the database's reputation ... that seems to be the M.O.

Re:Listen ... can you hear it ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15318390)

You're a troll. Their JPA implementation is based on Toplink, which thousands of big companies use.

Re:Listen ... can you hear it ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15318667)

Not that I don't agree with you, but TopLink is somewhat Java related and sucks just a bit less than any other ORM solution.

But that's more of a SQL product written in Java (with a Java API).

Re:Listen ... can you hear it ? (1)

alxtoth (914920) | more than 8 years ago | (#15318834)

In TFA there is a link to Grails http://grails.org/ [grails.org] , which is slightly different than jumping on the Java bandwagon. The Grails base is Groovy http://groovy.codehaus.org/ [codehaus.org] , which is a promising (still little immature) dynamic language. I think Java developers better take a look on the changing world, otherwise they will end up as their COBOL ancestors. Similarity: how many big-iron J2EE servers were 3 years ago, and how many were "upgraded" to Dells running whatever-app on Linux.

Re:Listen ... can you hear it ? (2, Informative)

Saanvik (155780) | more than 8 years ago | (#15319040)

Although the parent post could be thought of as a troll, I think it's just a typical response by someone that hasn't kept up with Oracle. If you think it's 7+ years since Oracle's done anything in the Java market, then you haven't been paying attention.

OAS was discontinued several (3?) years ago. It was crap. Oracle acknowledged it, bought the code for the Orion app server, updated it, added functionality, and released it as their app server. It's a very powerful product, and has very good performance [oracle.com] .

TopLink is an Oracle product. TopLink is one of the best ORM projects available.

ADF is a very powerful enterprise level development framework.

Oracle is one of the major players in creating and releasing JSF components.

Oracle JDeveloper is a very powerful and free Java IDE.

The reality is that Oracle's Java offerings are quite good now, much better than when you last looked.

Re:Listen ... can you hear it ? (1)

epgandalf (105735) | more than 8 years ago | (#15321364)

I know that Oracle bought the code for Orion in 2001. I'm not exactly sure when they discontinued the old AS.

Keyword is *innovative*, people (1)

subStance (618153) | more than 8 years ago | (#15323924)

My point was that Oracle haven't done anything *innovative*. Toplink was bought by Oracle in 2002, long after hibernate became popular. Nothing innovative in buying something.

Grails seems like more evidence of the same M.O. from what I can see. Wait till something's cool then buy it ... that's the behvaiour of a venture capitalist, not a market leader in java.

Re:Keyword is *innovative*, people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15328638)

BEA is the market leader in the J2EE application server space. They became the market leader off of acquiring Weblogic in 1998. You don't have to create something from scratch to be a market leader.

Boost (1)

floop (11798) | more than 8 years ago | (#15318813)

Pronunciation: 'büst
Function: verb
5 slang: STEAL, SHOPLIFT

The most interesting part of this article: (1)

junkgui (69602) | more than 8 years ago | (#15320028)

Is the part about grails [grails.org] ... This is starting to look intresting, and would allow me to combine my lust for Ruby on Rails with my knowledge of all things java... And since it runs in a J2EE appserver I bet companies would actually use it... Groovy is looking very nice now that they have figured out some of the syntax issues... I would love to have closures and method injection for some of my code, and typesafe java everywhere else...

Write Once, Run Anywhere is a lie (1)

knorthern knight (513660) | more than 8 years ago | (#15323379)

The truth is more like write once, crawl anywhere. Years ago, Oracle used a Windows installer to install their Windows client, etc. Then they switched to a Java-based installer for all supported OS's. It sucked dead bunnies through a garden hose. Installing the client went from a few minutes to a couple of hours. It was also so painful and complex, that our office stopped asking people like me ("power user") to install Oracle client and turned over Oracle client installation to CS staff. All this so Oracle can stick more buzzwords in their brochures... bleagh.

Java is being over-used almost as much as Schlockwave-Trash. There are probably are appropriate places for Java, I can't think of any right now.

Re:Write Once, Run Anywhere is a lie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15323780)

No, they stopped letting you install Oracle because you're retarded.

1995 called (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15324039)

They want their opinion back.

Re:Write Once, Run Anywhere is a lie (1)

Forbman (794277) | more than 8 years ago | (#15325292)

Well, the Java installer for Oracle 10g (10.0.2) worked just fine for me last week. On Linux (and also on Windows NT too). At least they killed the Y2K problem in the Oracle 8.0 installer.

The web-based OEM is pretty nice as well.

Re:Write Once, Run Anywhere is a lie (1)

kiwipom (920352) | more than 8 years ago | (#15332204)

I agree that at first the Java installers ran extremely slowly, on the other hand I quickly found out that I could use older (Windows) installer versions as well, which solved the problem for a few years until the Java installers improved. As for no use for Java anywhere, I'm not a Java zealot but, when I'm writing distributed apps with multiple datasources in a clustered environment, which I tend to do quite a lot, I can't say I've found a better language / set of APIs for it.

It's turn for AJAX (1)

IUSR (760153) | more than 8 years ago | (#15323779)

to get evaporated after a typical Oracle's approach.
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