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Firefox 2 Alpha 2 Reviewed

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the guess-what's-coming dept.

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pcabello writes "Firefox 2 Alpha 2 was released yesterday. Check what's new in this review at mozillalinks.org with screenshots."

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winter release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329790)

Crap! TFA says it'll have a winter release.

Re:winter release (4, Insightful)

n0-0p (325773) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329861)

Scheduled for sometime this winter (or summer in the North Hemisphere)
Don't forget that your summer is somebody's winter.

Memory (3, Insightful)

siplus (796514) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329791)

Anyone know if the memory problems that everyone was complaining about in v1.5 is fixed for 2.0?

Re:Memory (5, Informative)

apollosfire (954290) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329817)

As reported before [slashdot.org] , Firefox does not have memory problems - it has a feature that is very memory intensive. To disable this feature, do the following: 1. type about:config in you address bar 2. scroll down to browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers 3. set its value to 0 (zero)

Re:Memory (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329831)

And.. as reported before by countless users, that is not the problem.

I have had memory leaks since the 1.0 days, so this new enhanced session history thingy isn't the cause (and yes, I have actually tried it and it does not help one bit).

Even if it was the problem, why would I still have hundreds of megs being eaten when I have opened a new window and closed all other windows.. If this was the cause, Firefox should be destroying all the other sessions because I closed everything else out and opened a new window that has no session information, no tabs, and no back/forward buttons to click.

Please stop the spin.

Re:Memory (5, Informative)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329954)

So install Leak Monitor [dbaron.org] . Then you can see the cause of the most severe memory leaks: poorly coded extentions.

Whenever you close a tab or window and a leak is detected, you'll get a message about it. I used it for a few days and discovered several minor extentions I'd been using were causing some very large leaks.

Re:Memory (3, Insightful)

Wm_K (761378) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329989)

So install Leak Monitor. Then you can see the cause of the most severe memory leaks: poorly coded extentions.
Can anyone explain how this happens. All(?) extensions are written in XUL using javascript right? How is it possible to create a memory leak using javascript. The garbage collector of the javascript engine should get rid of unused allocated memory right? Is it the javascript engine that has leaks? Or is it just the definition of memory leak taken very broadly?

Re:Memory (1)

Azarael (896715) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330087)

I believe that XUL + JS handles the interface. My understanding is that you can write the back end to the plugin in C/C++, etc.

Re:Memory (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329835)

Firefox does not have memory problems - it has a feature that is very memory intensive.
That's right, it's not a bug, it's a feature!

Re:Memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329852)

Fine, then is it off by default so that you don't have to discover that, then wade through about:config (talk about a user-friendly interface ) so that FF doesn't take up hundreds of megs even though you've closed most of the tabs?

Re:Memory (1, Insightful)

jockm (233372) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329876)

I'm sorry the fact that Firefox will consume memory until it becomes unusably slow and/or crashes and has no way for me to free up that memory; that is a memory problem.

Re:Memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329960)

Do you have any extensions? Some of the extensions have memory leaks, which can cause browser to consume over 100 MB of memory. If you run Firefox in safe mode, do you still have the same problem?

Re:Memory (2, Informative)

Isotopian (942850) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329969)

Can you read, or not? If you don't like that feature, then turn it off!

Re:Memory (1)

cortana (588495) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330069)

Even if all that memory was free(2)'d, it still wouldn't return to the OS.

Re:Memory (2, Informative)

Vyvyan Basterd (972007) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330002)

Uh, Dunno about windows n stuff, but Firefox on X has major memory problems, like never freeing pixbufs it stores in the X server. Your "fix" does nothing to solve this.

Re:Memory (4, Insightful)

acm (107375) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330096)

Sorry, but poorly designed caching is a memory leak [msdn.com] . I shouldn't have to restart my browser because it is taking 700mb of memory (no lie). Especially when I only have one window open.

Everytime a Firefox article gets posted, I see someone post a hack to fix the memory leak problem. I've tried every one of them and none of them fix it on my end. The only externsion I'm running is Google's Toolbar. Regardless though, no one except the most hardcore Firefox users would ever know to look in about:config to turn off this "feature". And they shouldn't have to either.

Re:Memory (1)

RotateLeftByte (797477) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329818)

And the crashing when moderating /. ?
IMHO 1.5.0.2 is pretty unstable.

Re:Memory (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329823)

<badjoke>Huh? I don't remember anything about any memory problems.</badjoke>

Didn't they eventually say that the memory issues were intentional and that it was caching the tabbed pages or something?

Re:Memory (0)

nitrocloud (706140) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329903)

There are real memory leak bugs (at least in 1.5), such as one that caused Firefox to consume all of my 1.5 GB of RAM in mere seconds. What event caused this I cannot remember, although it may have been due to a bug when loading a plug-in, in which case it would be a joint effort to fix the code. Firefox isn't perfect, no browser is. However, I do think that Firefox is on its way to be a browser among browsers.

Firefox does seem to have the cleanest UI (in my opinion) of the major 3. Firefox also seems to be the most extensible, but don't quote me on that. The improvements in the options show the progression of the browser as a whole, and the commitment of the community to improve the browser. Firefox has quite a few new features that may be useful, such as the automatic spell checking by default (without an extension), and search term suggestions. Firefox has lots of momentum, and it may be best for the public if it maintains it.

Re:Memory (1)

pmontra (738736) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329846)

Well, some memory leaks can't be helped: maybe it some extension or Javascript that makes my Firefox memory usage skyrocket (153 MB now) unless I restart it regularly. I'm sure that there is a way to associate each memory allocation with a script, and extension or internal Firefox code so I'll really welcome something that tells me who's the culprit of all those memory leaks.

Re:Memory (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329913)

When is it that you can not delete what you allocated?

Re:Memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329925)

I hate to keep mentioning the cliche, but Opera seems to be able to "help" it just fine. FF is the only one I know of with a big problem.

Re:Memory (1)

jlarocco (851450) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329866)

In 1.5? More like since it was called Pheonix around 0.3 beta. In my experience, it's always been pretty bad with memory.

Re:Memory (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330067)

Or the "close a tab (or the browser with more than one tab) lets grab 100% cpu for 10-15 seconds" bug? Now I know that's not a long time but why does it do it at all? And a better question is it something I can switch off?

Re:Memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15330104)

Firefox is rather bloaty period. There is no magic fix.

Couple of questions (3, Interesting)

caluml (551744) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329792)

Slightly off topic, but probably the best place to ask:
Is anyone having a problem with recent versions where the URI autocomplete sometimes doesn't work, even if it's an address you often go to (e.g. google.com).
Or when you click on a tab, it doesn't "release" fast enough, and start moving the tab around?

Still the best browser though.

Re:Couple of questions (2, Interesting)

ezdude (885983) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329822)

I have some similar problems, but not exactly those. I often find that when I click on a previously visited link from the URL drop-down list, it doesn't go to that site. Also, one thing that annoys the heck out of me is that when I try to close PDF's, which are in separate tabs, it takes forever. I don't know if this is a Firefox issue or Adobe, but it seems worse in more recent versions of Firefox.

Re:Couple of questions (1)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330053)

I have totally had the click a link in the dropdown adress bar and it only reloads the page you are on. Frustrating as hell. I've had it happen on two different computers so either it is something in firefox or one of the extensions i have on both machines.

Re:Couple of questions (4, Insightful)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329825)

Yesssss! The I-didn't-mean-to-drag thing drives me nuts. In fact, general UI slowness is the thing that keeps me from using Firefox instead of Konqueror a lot of the time.

I know that my processor is "only" 1.3 GHz, but I swear there was a time when a gigahertz-plus CPU was enough to operate a GUI smoothly. But maybe I'm remembering incorrectly...

Re:Couple of questions (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329951)

I'm on an AMD 64 machine with 'nuff RAM, and it's still doing it. It's obviously a problem with the code.

Re:Couple of questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329857)

where the URI autocomplete sometimes doesn't work

Actually, yes. If a page is currently loading in another tab, the autocomplete stuff sometimes doesn't come up at all until the page is done.

Or when you click on a tab, it doesn't "release" fast enough, and start moving the tab around?

I hadn't had that happen to me before, but after some testing I got it to do it a couple of times but it only does it if I'm moving the mouse fairly quickly when I click, and about 95% of the time, it just snaps back right away. Maybe you are twitching the mouse slightly when you click? If this is on windows, then I believe the mouse settings have a threshold for drag-and-drop to start. Otherwise, I'm not sure where (or if) the setting would be (might be hardcoded in firefox, even on windows).

Or when you click on a tab, it doesn't "release".. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329919)

"Or when you click on a tab, it doesn't "release" fast enough, and start moving the tab around?" - AAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

first post (-1, Troll)

TedKennedy (974824) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329795)

first post GNAA pwnazors gnaa.us

this is nice, (2, Funny)

SpatialJ (411269) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329797)

but it will not filter postings that are the first ones automatically, will it?

Nicer: Bush-Cheney Calls Intercepted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329945)

Don't believe the crap that the N.S.A. just collected phone numbers. Phone numbers are meaningless.
They were intercepting the CONTENT.

The content of the Bush-Cheney phone calls to Pakistan and Aghanistan will be very entertaining.

Call [huffingtonpost.com] your senator and demand the arrest; trial, conviction: and sentencing of Al-Qaeda [whitehouse.org] .

Thank you for your patriotism,
Kilgore Trout, M.D.

MY DONG YOUR TONGUE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329805)

It's past midnight and your family is asleep. Silently, I creep into little Billy's bedroom with only a knife and some lubricant. I cover Billy's mouth as to not awake anyone and I slowly slit his throat. He dies immediately. I flip his tiny carcass over and insert myself into him. A few moments later I am done and I slip away unnoticed. I leave the lubricant in plain sight as a frightening reminder.

to beat IE (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329807)

This release must be renamed Firefox 8 to be better than IE

Re:to beat IE (0)

ST47 (965252) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329830)

it is better than ie...

Re:to beat IE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329867)

Only when it allows me as a developer to install programs on your computer without your consent or at least when you click "NO" to installing something will it be better than IE.

Browser Speed (3, Informative)

reporter (666905) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329820)

For many users, speed is the most important aspect of a browser. A certain Mark Wilton-Jones [howtocreate.co.uk] has done an exhaustive comparison of browser speeds [howtocreate.co.uk] .

He concludes, " So overall, Opera seems to be the fastest browser for windows. Firefox is not faster than Internet Explorer, except for scripting, but for standards support, security and features, it is a better choice. However, it is still not as fast as Opera, and Opera also offers a high level of standards support, security and features. "

Wilton-Jones tested both version 1.0 and version 1.5 of Firefox. Does anyone have any thoughts on the performance of version 2.0?

Re:Browser Speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329850)

That's a load of crap!

firefox is lightyears faster than IE. I've done side by side testing. FF wins every time.
by a large margin.

and opera is NOT the fastest browser for window.
that honor goes to a little known browser called Kelowna (i think I got the name right).
tiny little thing. but man is that thing fast.

often times opera is slower than firefox.

there is only ONE feature opera has I wish other browswers would get.
the resume function. operas is really awesome. it works so well.
i can even quit the browser, reopen later, and click resume on ANY download, even ftp, etc.

Re:Browser Speed (1)

Tx (96709) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329889)

Interesting, I hope sure someone will do such a comparison at some point, just to satisfy curiosity. However I have to say that speed is way down on my list, behind security, functionality, reliability, and extensibility. The time spent reading a page is much so greater than the time taken to render it that I really couldn't care less about whether one browser renders a particular page half a second faster than another.

Re:Browser Speed (1, Interesting)

JanneM (7445) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329899)

For many users, speed is the most important aspect of a browser.

For most users, speed is a minor issue as long as it's perceived to be fast enough. And response times from the distant website (not infrequently in the second+ range) typically swamps local things like redraw speed.

So no, unless you have the hots for Opera and need a way to motivate your obsession, speed is not a major issue today.

Re:Browser Speed (0, Troll)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329923)

For most users, speed is a minor issue as long as it's perceived to be fast enough. And response times from the distant website (not infrequently in the second+ range) typically swamps local things like redraw speed.

It matters, because frequently on Firefox opening more than 7 tabs at once means your CPU pegged on 100% and sometimes it even locks up the browser for a minute or so.

I'm still using Firefox since I'm lazy: all stored passwords and history and visited addresses and cookies... it's kinda making it hard for me to switch to Opera at once. But damn, the moment 0pera9 is out, I am switching.

Also the more I investigate the issue, the more IE7 seems a viable choice on Vista. IE was always a very fast browser (and noone gimme the crap about "preloaded" components because I do not mean startup times).

I'm a web developer and keep all sorts of browsers on my machine, but I didn't start using FF in favor of IE until IE started getting new "just visit the site and you're set" holes every week.

When IE is secured, and with the new improved standards support, I think I'll welcome IE again as my default browser.

Re:Browser Speed (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330050)

I run a lot of tabs in Firefox, but never pegged unless several of them are running Flash animations at the same time, which is one reason why I like FlashBlock.

Re:Browser Speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329987)

Trust me, you'll never get through to people who use Firefox. Their faith in their browser is impenetrable even by piles upon piles of facts showing it's not the best after all. You'd be better off trying to teach fish to fly.

Re:Browser Speed (0, Redundant)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330073)

I won't use Opera because there is no apparent way to rearrange the control bars. The Address bar is at the top, the tab bar is in the middle and the control bar (back, forward, stop, reload, etc) is at the bottom. I don't understand why someone would think that the control bar makes sense where it is, it breaks the tab indicator from the page that it indicates. I want to set this order, top down: control bar, address bar, tab bar.

Here's something to fix (5, Insightful)

handelaar (65505) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329828)

Early versions of FF allowed me to Find text anywhere on a page, including inside textareas.

That's been broken for years now. I don't care about how it renders RSS, I want basic functions to unsuck.

Re:Here's something to fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329918)

Works just fine here. Perhaps you're experiencing an ID-10T error?

Re:Here's something to fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329967)

or PEBKAC [thinkgeek.com]

Re:Here's something to fix (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329974)

Doesn't work for me (1.5.0.3). If I hit ctrl-f and type "doe" (start of "doesn't work") the find field turns red. What bulid are you using?

Re:Here's something to fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329936)

The Find feature also seems broken for sites with Frames. (F8AMEZ R T3H E1VL! But, Java and Ruby documentation for example.)

Re:Here's something to fix (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329970)

You got the wrong browser. Firefox sucks. The only things that seems to matter is adding crap. I don't need any fucking spellcheckers either. Firefox, the browser for assholes who can't spell. Next version will be for those who can't write or read, I guess.

Re:Here's something to fix (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15330081)

Next version will be for those who can't write or read, I guess.
Nah, Internet explorer has a monopoly on that userbase.

Re:Here's something to fix (1)

rg3 (858575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330062)

That would be very nice. I didn't know it worked before, and now that I know it I'd like them to bring the feture back. I noticed that problem many times while editing a Wikipedia entry, for example, that many times consists of a big text area with a lot of text and a mispelled word you want to correct.

Yeah, and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15330098)

...when's it gonna pass the acid2 test?

For new users (1)

Stoned4Life (926494) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329839)

Simply just adding new flare to help new, inexperienced users, while not generally fixing problems that us veterans have come across. Of all the issues right now, I never noticed having a "close" button on the individual tab itself as a high priority. Maybe that's just me.

Close button at same tab (5, Informative)

omeg (907329) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329840)

Okay, so now they placed the close tab button on the active tab itself. I've heard of that being planned. I, however, really don't like that myself. Does anyone know if it's possible to turn off? Because if not, I'm not switching.

There's no reason to not let the user be able to pick the old way of handling a UI functionality that a reasonable amount of people don't agree with.

Re:Close button at same tab (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329862)

Turn off the automatic update now, before you forget!

I'm strongly resisting the temptation to start another "it's more natural" argument....

Re:Close button at same tab (5, Informative)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329886)

Okay, so now they placed the close tab button on the active tab itself. I've heard of that being planned. I, however, really don't like that myself. Does anyone know if it's possible to turn off? Because if not, I'm not switching

There's an extension for the alpha already that turns it off.

I like extensions, but sometimes it seems like you have to have 80 of them just to get options that seem like they should be common sense.

Re:Close button at same tab (2, Interesting)

Tx (96709) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329922)

Because one man's common sense is another man's stupidity, and they want to avoid having the million configuration options necessary to cater for everybodys views. Having some people need a handful of extensions to tweak the things that bother them, while only having a small number of core configuration options is actually a much neater solution IMHO.

Personally I've been using the TabX extension to get a close button on my tabs since I started using Firefox, having the close button attached to the thing it closes seems like common sense to me ;), so I won't even notice that change.

Re:Close button at same tab (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329985)

"Having some people need a handful of extensions to tweak the things that bother them, while only having a small number of core configuration options is actually a much neater solution IMHO."

Pardon, but are you fstupid? The number of people who hate the completely redundant, spacewasting, cluttering and annoying usage of close buttons on every tab are hardly counted in the "some" people category. Try "lots" instead. I bet you are one of those gnome-heads, since this smacks of the "You-will-use-the-spatial-view-and-we-are-teh-1337 -devs-so-shut-up" attitude.

Thank God you can disable that crap in opera.. I guess that makes it bloated from your pov, right?

Re:Close button at same tab (1)

Tx (96709) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330043)

I suspect they made that particular change because a large majority of users wanted it, so although I was actually speaking in general terms, yes, the rest are indeed "some people". And BTW I prefer KDE as it happens, Mr Coward.

It's a conspiracy... (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330040)

It's a conspiracy between IBM and the Firefox team in their eventual move to completely replace Firefox with the Notes client.

Re:Close button at same tab (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329893)

That was one of the best things about Galleon, it took some time to get used to pheonix (as it was back in 2002). Close buttons on tabs (or vice versa) will irritate somebody at most for a week, it's just habit. PHP6 is dropping this syntax:
$var = (condition)? true: false;

For someone who has thousands of lines of code and uses conditional assignment syntax liberally, this is a valid reason not to upgrade. You are just being silly.

Re:Close button at same tab (1)

the_wesman (106427) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329940)

my close button is in the exact same spot it always was - on the keyboard (ctrl-w)

Re:Close button at same tab (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329976)

If they added an option for every single thing people "might not agree with", the preferences dialog would be a 8 MB download on its own.

Got to love slashdot (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330032)

Right above the parent is a post asking for exactly this feature. Now what is a developer supposed to do eh?

As for there being no reason not to give both options, well there is plenty of reason. The two most significant, it ads complexity to the project to support yet another feature and it asks the user yet more question about how to configure the browser.

Personally? I like it the way opera does it. On the tab. More logical.

FIREFOX MESSAGE OF IMPORT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329842)

After you have gone to work I secretly wander into your house. Since Suzy is eleven you have decided she is old enough to take care of herself. This makes it very easy to garrote her without fear of an unwanted intruder. As she lay suffocating and dying, I insert my throbbing cock into her tiny vagina. I can feel her flesh tear as I force myself into her. Quickly, I pull in and out, her tiny box turning into a bloody mess. I exchange glances with her purple breathless face, only to look back again at her lovely bleeding pussy. I finish before she is dead and decide to put her out of her misery. I grab a hammer from your garage and slowly raise my arm above her tiny frame, striking down on her square inbetween the eyes.

Questions . Features. (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329843)

1. Is there a way to make the 'goback' response as fast as opera's ? It could be a little faster.

2. Why does firefox need XUL gui ? Why not use gtk or something else ?

Updating the plain default gui would be cool.

Re:Questions . Features. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329962)

2. Why does firefox need XUL gui ? Why not use gtk or something else ?
There is no other toolkit besides XUL that works well cross-platform? XUL is very easy to write for new extension developers? XUL allows for more rapid development?

The big question is... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329847)

..will 2.0 be released before 1.5 is marked stable for x86 in portage? Seriously, how's SVG support comming along? Last I checked they couldn't add SVG to the accept header because of issues with the rendering backends.

Public Download? (1)

ST47 (965252) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329864)

is a public download available?

Re:Public Download? (3, Informative)

yogikoudou (806237) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329898)

Yes, get it here [mozilla.org] .

Re:Public Download? (1)

ST47 (965252) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329906)

oh. duh :S ST47 feels stupid

Dumbed down again (0, Troll)

evilneko (799129) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329870)

Firefox dumbed down again, film at 11.

Seriously. It's fast becoming the XP Home of browsers. Too bad neither the fanboys nor the development team realizes this. It could've been a nice browser, smaller and faster than SeaMonkey. It lost its way around the time they renamed it "Firefox." Now it's just SeaMonkey with memory leaks (yeah yeah it's a feature) and an incomplete, annoying interface.

No, I don't care that I'll get modded down for criticizing Firefox.

Re:Dumbed down again (3, Interesting)

Kroc (925275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330007)

"I don't care that I'll get modded down for criticizing Firefox."
No, you're trolling. Criticizing would mean you had some semblence of an idea about what you were talking about, which you clearly do not.

"Too bad neither the fanboys nor the development team realizes this"
Yes they do. Firefox is being simplified in order to appeal to the greater market. You know, the ones who make up 85% of the market and matter alot more than you do. IE is a simple browser, it's one of its successes, and Firefox aims to be something that IE users can feel comfortable switching too without being bombarded with anal retentive geek features. Firefox can be customized and as geeky and powerful as you want it to be with extensions, so how simple it is is up to you.

Since version 1.5 it hardly leaks at all. Firefox has high memory requirements, complain about that if you must but stop spinning your tired, ignorant, uniformed, arrogant bullshit. K, thnx.

I MOLESTED YORU DAUGHTER (FIREFOX RELATED) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329873)

You take little Janice to the park. While she is on the swings and your back is turned I kidnap her. I take her to my van. Her tiny arms are no match for my own as I pin her down and begin removing articles of her clothing. My dick is throbbing so fucking hard before I even have her shirt off. Once removed, I see her pale flat chest, nubile and untouched. She begins to cry and I punch her in the face to make her quiet. I pin her legs apart and insert myself. For a few minutes the only sounds heard are the shufflings of our intercourse and her occassional moan. Once finished, her and I exit the van on the opposite side from the playground. Janice is barely conscious when I wedge her head underneath the rear tire. I laugh maniacally as I drive off, blasting radio disney.

Good Work (2, Insightful)

Nicolay77 (258497) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329875)

Although I vastly prefer Opera, anything that can help decrease market share of IE and its broken everything is good.

Re:Good Work (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329939)

Although I vastly prefer Opera, anything that can help decrease market share of IE and its broken everything is good.

You're lucky then, a new browser is coming out, which has better security than IE6 (especially on Vista), a lot better standards support, good RSS support and a fresh compact interface.

It's called IE7...

Slashdot will never be the same (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329887)

A new spell-checking feature has been added. Text entered in multiline text boxes is automatically checked for mistypes words, for single line text boxes, you must ask for it (right-click, Spell check this field). Words not found in the dictionary are marked with a red underline.

It's about time they incorperated a spell checker! Vary nice.

Re:Slashdot will never be the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329931)

Is that something that should be implemented on the OS or application level? Common sense suggest OS.

anyone know about the memory problems? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329896)

Your Bill Jr. is lost in the grocery store. I find him in the deli section and grab his tiny hand. I lead him into the rear section of the store where the employee break room is. By now little Billy is crying very loudly and I am doing my best to make him quiet. I take him into the women's restroom and he still won't shut up. I grab him by the nape of his neck and slam his face into the tank portion of the toilet... blood and pieces of teeth fly everywhere. Now Billy is in hysterics. I do it again. And again. And again. I drop Billy's lifeless body onto the pavement floor. As he lay in a crumpled heap, I unzip myself and urinate on him. Before long, I find myself leaning over and licking his open bloody mouth, biting off a portion of his lip to taste his flesh. I stand up and begin to masturbate furiously. I cum all over him. After I finish and clean myself, I raise my foot high in the air and stomp down on Billy's cranium, squashing it like Gallagher with a watermelon. I leave out the back door.

Hey! I want FF to get more share, takes the heat o (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329930)

Hey! I want FF to get more share, takes the heat off of IE7. The more popular the more it gets exploited! If you think you've had enough FF exploits, wait a while.

Download manager still broken? (5, Insightful)

edxwelch (600979) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329946)

Fixfox and mozilla are unable to resume downloads across sessions. In other words if you have to reboot the PC for any reason, you will have to start that 300mb download from scratch.
This bug has been outstanding for several years.
There are numerous other missing features in the download manager, just compare to the download manager in Opera.

Firefox too slow... (1)

linux pickle (974544) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329955)

On my Linux machine, I recently ditched Firefox for Epiphany. It is much more responsive and less of a memory hog. I love some of Firefox's features, but until the developers polish up the interface and improve speed and memory usage, I'm sticking with Epiphany. For me, speed is much more important than extra features.

Re:Firefox too slow... (1)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330106)

might I interest you in Dillo? it is crazily fast and has a few of the important firefox features... it has some drawbacks, but it you really want it to be small, use very little memory and quick then it is a jolly good choice

I hope the developers said a big thank you to (0, Troll)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329963)

Opera for all the ideas, and the lesson in what users actually like in UI design

Re:I hope the developers said a big thank you to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15330045)

I don't like the flicky opera GUI and I don't like KDE or modern Windows app GUIs either. I prefer solid interfaces for my applications.

Firefox with extensions (4, Interesting)

spudnic (32107) | more than 8 years ago | (#15329981)

Just about everything in the review is available now, and has been for quite awhile, through extensions?

It seems that future development of firefox should be on the core application and let the extension developers handle the pretty stuff.

Default search options (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15329983)

It appears that MSN Search, despite being one of the three most popular search engines, is still not offered as one of the default search options.

I just went trhough the changelog... (3, Insightful)

giorgiofr (887762) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330009)

... and there's not a single feature in FF 2 that hasn't been in Opera for ages. The FF team is slacking - they're not innovating anymore. Not that they OWE me anything, of course. Just saying.

Re:I just went trhough the changelog... (2, Insightful)

chrisgeleven (514645) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330057)

Question is, does Opera do these features better or will Firefox?

It isn't so much who had what feature first, it is who does it best. How hard is it to understand that?

location/status (1)

Lewie (3743) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330025)

Combining the status and location bars is a great idea. Having read the article on a PDA, I only wish M$ had been as clever with Pocket IE... Could use the extra screen real estate.

Except (1)

Vyvyan Basterd (972007) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330048)

how will I tell fake links from real when surfing porn? And speaking of which, when will the option for not allowing window.status to be used in JS be fixed?

Re:Except (2, Informative)

giorgiofr (887762) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330101)

A link's tooltip will show both the title of the link and the URL it links to. That's the way Opera's been doing it for ages.

Spell Check (5, Funny)

dark_requiem (806308) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330070)

Thank god they're putting in an automated spell check for multi-line text boxes. This site should become that much more bearable to read now.

Search plugin order (4, Insightful)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | more than 8 years ago | (#15330084)

Fucking dammit.

Why the hell are there buttons ('Move Up' and 'Move Down') for reordering the search plugins. They should be able to be dragged and dropped. It's not like the developers can't do this; the bookmarks can be. Why not this?

(It would also be nice for Firefox and Mozilla to understand URL files generated by IE. Safari seems to manage.)
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