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Stream MythTV to Your Cell Phone

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the because-you-can dept.

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lerhaupt writes "I've setup a howto for streaming your MythTV recordings to your 3G cell phone. In involves getting your myth box to convert recordings to 3gp format and then setting up Apple's Darwin Streaming Server to handle streaming the videos from a webpage it sets up. "

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I can just imagine... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350161)

Now I can stream all my video pr0n to my cellphone!

It's a useless comment, but COME ON (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15351083)

It's NOT off-topic

Darwin Streaming Server (1)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350162)

I hadn't heard of the Darwin Streaming Server before - sounds quite cool from this review [streamingmedia.com]

Thanks Apple - nice to see you contributing your own code rather then just grudgingly contributing back derived code!

Re:Darwin Streaming Server (4, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350341)

Hmmm. Someone named Whiney Mac Fanboy who's unaware of Apple technologies (open source even) that have existed for many many years. Somehow it all makes sense...

Re:Darwin Streaming Server (1)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350365)

Hmmm. Someone named Whiney Mac Fanboy who's unaware of Apple technologies (open source even) that have existed for many many years. Somehow it all makes sense...

I'm a whiney-mac-fanboy, not a whiney-apple-open-source-products-fanboy! (and really, unless you want to setup a streaming server, why in hell would you have heard of this?)

But I completely agree with your implication!

Re:Darwin Streaming Server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350652)

Results 1 - 10 of about 464 from slashdot.org for Darwin Streaming Server.

Re:Darwin Streaming Server (1)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350762)

I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove, but:

Results 1 - 10 of about 14,800 from slashdot.org for microsoft fox server

(and I aint heard of the "microsoft fox server" either)

Re:Darwin Streaming Server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15351488)

Results 1 - 10 of about 190,000 from slashdot.org for apple sucks.

Re:Darwin Streaming Server (1)

flyweight_of_fury (972871) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351520)

and I aint heard of the "microsoft fox server" either
Wha? You haven't heard of Foxpro [wikipedia.org] ? I mean, not that its been around since '84 and all... shame-shame... someone should revoke your geek status card.

Re:Darwin Streaming Server (1)

LunaticTippy (872397) | more than 8 years ago | (#15352019)

I'm a (reluctant) foxpro developer and I haven't heard of "microsoft fox server."

Of course, I just finished migrating all our foxpro code to a civilized language... (I kid, foxpro has come a long way, but I don't want to maintain foxpro code. What would my friends think?)

Re:Darwin Streaming Server (1)

doorbender (146144) | more than 8 years ago | (#15353792)

I'm a (reluctant) foxpro developer and I haven't heard of "microsoft fox server."

it's something I learned about while googling during a long "help desk" call to a (bad) developer of software built on the foxpro db (I haven't had to use the unnamed software since 2001 thank programmer)

Re:Darwin Streaming Server (1)

VolciMaster (821873) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350540)

I hadn't heard of the Darwin Streaming Server before

DSS was the subject of an InfoWorld article a while back (nov 03 [infoworld.com] ) about setting up QuickTime-compatible video feeds.

Quick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350926)

Wow, 1 whole cotribution from Apple! SO let's see, thats Open Source In OS X: 1000, Apple giving back: 1. 2 if you count the occasional patch for Konqueror. Great record Apple!

Wow!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350165)

That's almost completely useless. The only thing more useless would be to stream 16:9 HD video to your freaking cell PHONE.

I'm ready for a technology downgrade. These "advances" are starting to annoy me.

3GP (1)

Life700MB (930032) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350167)


Can someone enlight us with the quality and/or bitrate of 3gp videos? TFA and the wikipedia link are light on details.


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Re:3GP (4, Informative)

dtsazza (956120) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350282)

Can someone enlight us with the quality and/or bitrate of 3gp videos? TFA and the wikipedia link are light on details.

3GP is just a multimedia container format - so the quality and bitrate depends on what codecs you use for the video and audio contained within it. Video is stored as MPEG-4 or H.263, and audio streams as AMR-NB or AAC-LC. 3GP does apparently describe "image sizes and bandwidth" - though from searching on www.3gpp.org [3gpp.org] I couldn't pick it out. There's a lot of technical specifications there though, so if you really want to know (as opposed to idle curiousity) I'm sure you can find out from their specifications.

Re:3GP (1)

CockMonster (886033) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351932)

MPEG-4 is a container format. 3GP is a type of MPEG-4 file. The audio/video codecs are tuned for mobile phones

Fair use... (5, Insightful)

jginspace (678908) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350168)

Triumph. Indeed some beautiful uses of fair use. Fair use to record the tv program to my hard drive... Fair use to convert the video format to one viewable by my cell phone... Fair use to stream it to my cell phone for my own personal enjoyment.

M'lud that wraps up the case for the defence...

that is awesome (0, Redundant)

BobVila (592015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350170)

I probably need some help on the cell phone end though. I have no idea how to watch the stream on my phone. I think it can handle it though.

Slashdotted already? (1)

muellerr1 (868578) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350171)

Looks like he's serving his web page from his freakin' 3g phone.

Re:Slashdotted already? (1)

agoodm (856768) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350194)

Looks like his dns is down or I would mirror it.

Re:Slashdotted already? (1)

agoodm (856768) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350243)

69.36.167.156 was the IP of the site, but site, server and dns went byebye, sorry folks.

No Comments And Referenced Site Down Already (2, Funny)

mysticwhiskey (569750) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350197)

In other news:

I've setup a howto for Slashdotting pages submitted to Slashdot. In involves getting someone (the "submitter") to submit articles to Slashdot and then setting up your browser to point to the webpage in question.

I've used 3gp before... (1, Interesting)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350214)

...and was far from impressed with how it ended up, I might see (after the slashdotting) what this is on about to see if the quality could be improved at all from what I got in the end. The best way to get tv on your phone is to put an avi on your sd card and then use a media player there to watch it (you could reduce the quality somewhat to compensate for the smaller screen)... where you get the avi from... "legal" channels

Re:I've used 3gp before... (3, Insightful)

ToddML (590924) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350321)

And when I'm traveling, or otherwise far away from my recordings, I'm supposed to just run home and load up my SD card, then make the trip back to wherever I was originally in order to watch video? That really makes no sense whatsoever, it solves a different problem altogether.

Re:I've used 3gp before... (2, Informative)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 8 years ago | (#15353134)

And when I'm traveling, or otherwise far away from my recordings, I'm supposed to just run home and load up my SD card, then make the trip back to wherever I was originally in order to watch video?

No, you log into your MythTV box, transcode a show to a suitably low bitrate with MEncoder (or whatever), and download or stream the resulting file. I typically encode video to 320x240 MPEG-4 at 384 kbps and audio to 22.05 kHz mono MP3 at 64 kbps. If the remote location has broadband access of some sort, I could theoretically do HTTP streaming, but I can usually download one hour of video in 30-40 minutes instead. A few minutes' editing with VirtualDub trims out the commercials, after which I can either play it on my notebook with MPlayer or transfer it to my Treo's SD card and play it there with MMPlayer.

I've also downloaded shows through my phone's data connection, but since it's only ~150 kbps, it takes a while. I've not tried encoding at bitrates that low; the resolution would have to be reduced so low that I don't know if it'd be worth watching.

Encoding is fairly quick for SD sources (maybe 15 minutes for a good-quality encode, 5 minutes if you don't care as much about artifacts). HD takes a bit longer, but it can also be transcoded.

Re:I've used 3gp before... (3, Informative)

Tx (96709) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350330)

3gp is a container, what you said makes as much sense as saying you're unimpressed with the quality of AVI video. It depends what codec was used (MPEG4 basically), what bitrate, and the quality of the playback software and hardware.

Re:I've used 3gp before... (1)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351729)

your right, what I said wasn't clear enough, so I'll go into what I meant... The quality I had to use to get the file really small (which is what I think would be needed to do this and send it over to a phone which for a point of refernce I was using about the quality of a video message. This would let it be downloaded pretty much in real time (because of how slow GPRS is on phones). At this size the quality wasn't very good which I know isn't really a fault of 3gp but in this instance I was (wrongly - but in my mind justifiably) using the name of the format to also denote the normative assumptions I had made about the requisate size. So, I'm going to consider myself not as wrong as it first appeared... although no one else was to know that... so maybe the bigger question is why did I get modded up? meh, maybe I was just up high enough. With mods all that seems to matter is that somone said something vaguely interesting (or not as the case may be) towards the top and they go strait to +5 insightful; mod whoring... but if you want someone to read what you have to say then I guess you have to

Oh good... (3, Insightful)

gearmonger (672422) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350216)

Our access is becoming more and more universal just as the amount of watchable content on TV becomes less and less.

I'd prefer a truly rich web experience on my phone WAY more than streaming TV garbage.

Re:Oh good... (2, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350416)

Our access is becoming more and more universal just as the amount of watchable content on TV becomes less and less.

Says you! Right now I'm using my phone to watch a great program with Chuck Norris talking about the Total Gym. I can't wait to see what happens in the next episode!

Re:Oh good... (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350938)

Chuck kills everyone at the gym after they give his co-host a lethal injection of some drug.

Best Chuck Norris quote ever, "Chuck Norris's tears cure cancer! Too bad he doesn't cry."

Re:Oh good... (1)

reclusivemonkey (703154) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351291)

That's the whole point of MythTV. Why would you record garbage? Even with only the *four* channels of TV I have available there is enough good content because I am not tied to a schedule.

Re:Oh good... (1)

gearmonger (672422) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351445)

Sounds like your personal TV threshold is set to -1.

The Facts of Life (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351723)

You're obviously not a sports fan. I think most people who buy this kind of technology do so in order to not miss the game [mercurynews.com] .

(My subject line is a reference to a Married with Children ep where Al gets a 1,000 channel cable connection — and discovers nothing worth watching on any of them. An ungodly number seem to be running reruns of a certain TV show...)

Re:Oh good... (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 8 years ago | (#15353067)

Not to mention that the battery life on some of these phones is horrible.

I got the Samsung Blade....great phone, neat features, but, battery life is mostly hypothetical, and that is just for phone calls, and picture mail (free where sms text is charged for). If you try to watch any media content on the thing, you'd better have it plugged into the charger while you're doing it...

I got the phone for about $50...so was a great deal, but, I sure hope they come out with a better battery. I love the features, and the hack that will let you use it as a semi-broadband modem at no extra charge.

3G Cell phone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350225)

U send me a 3G cell phone plz.

Mobiel phone TV makes it (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350236)

I never thought TV on a tiny phone would take off enough to interest people into doing it with a few nifty hacks and some FOSS, but then again I never thought embedding low-quality cameras into phones would take off either. Funny old world.

Re:Mobiel phone TV makes it (1)

kent_eh (543303) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350414)

I'm wondering who can afford to watch streaming video on a cell phone, when the cell providers charge by the MB. ($.03/KB on my cell plan, $25/month to watch the provider's mobile TV product)

Re:Mobiel phone TV makes it (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350474)

There are operators with unlimited data plans. The operator 3 (Tre) in Sweden has one for ~$70/month.

http://www.tre.se/templates/SubscriptionPlan.aspx? id=19365 [www.tre.se]

(It even sounds a bit better than that. If you manage to use a maximum of 1Gb a month you're down to ~$27/month - and if you exceed 1Gb you pay $70 instead and then it's unlimited for that month)

Re:Mobiel phone TV makes it (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 8 years ago | (#15353188)

I'm wondering who can afford to watch streaming video on a cell phone, when the cell providers charge by the MB.

Sprint doesn't. I'm paying $15 per month for unlimited data (in addition to $25 for the cheapest voice plan...only 300 minutes or so per month, but I don't use anywhere near that.)

The data service works with the apps in the phone or with my notebook over a Bluetooth connection, too, so I can avoid hotel broadband charges if I want.

Re:Mobiel phone TV makes it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15352410)

Yup, and I thought Yahoo was just a database of domain names and info.

My mother-in-law thought it was "Cute!" and invested heavily.

I hope hte old bastard remembers me kindly in her will.

Look out! (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350242)

Great, now we can get into car accidents with people watching their cell phone while driving Paulie Walnuts talk on his cell phone while driving.

Re:Look out! (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350334)

That must be why it's called the Darwin [darwinawards.com] server.

Google Cache (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350293)

Re:Google Cache (1)

agoodm (856768) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350368)

Under the dead altready topic I already posted a mirror?

Lawsuit in 3, 2, 1... (1, Redundant)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350343)

Or does anyone expect the MPAA to sit and watch? I'm pretty sure they're already trying to find a loophole where this MUST NOT be allowed.

And if the old laws ain't good enough, buy a new one.

Re:Lawsuit in 3, 2, 1... (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350463)

like saying unlimited monthly data service is not for video and say it you want to do that you must pay more.

Re:Lawsuit in 3, 2, 1... (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351825)

Who are they gonna sue? You can put together a mythTV setup using an ordainary PC, a distro of linux and some video capture software. There's no-one to sue except the user, but surely that' never..... oh wait.

Not for me but.. (1)

sshutt (785646) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350391)

Its not something I can can do (no 3g and no tv card), but that sounds pretty cool

I was impressed by standard downloadable movie clips so would expect the 3g ones to be much better especially if its your own recording you actually get what you want not what other people decide everyone wants.

So while everyones watching the world cup highlights on their 3g phones, I could be catching up on lost (which btw the uk channel 4 are offering all aired episodes for free) or something.

If I had the kit I'd definatly give this a shot

Re:Not for me but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350509)

just get a smartphone (im using MS mobile but any flavour should work)
and copy your video onto a memory stick

ive been doing this for months with "Green Wing" (uk comedy show) i used FFMPEG (command line win/nix) to rip the shows down to mobile size and i can fit more shows than i can watch in a day (plus a load my mp3's) , i just copy them over using the miniUSB cable overnight

all the kit is free (except the phone)

How to stream content from app X to device Y (0)

Animaether (411575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350423)

1. make app X convert to a format device Y can understand
2. put the format in a streaming format header
3. put the format on a website
4. ??? wtf?

So this specifically was a tutorial with regards to MythTV and seeing your recordings on your mobile phone, and the steps were pretty much as above? Why is this front page news? Why is this news at all? Would it be front page news if I used a combination of my Avermedia recording app, mIRC, windows media encoder and the Apache web server to achieve the same but for "Stream Avermedia to your wifi-enabled PocketPC"?

Meh... on-topic.. 3G is fun and all, unless you have data rates. T-Mobile has a nice 'limitless' data connection (flat fee) in most of western Europe - but almost all others will charge you up the wazoo per MB. Until that drops or stops, I'm not streaming anything to my phone - I'll just copy it to the 2GB MiniSD card, tyvm.

Re:How to stream content from app X to device Y (1)

ribbo (515302) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350867)

The T-Mobile 'limitless' data access is actually limited to a 2Gb 'acceptable use' limit, but then hey that's about 1996 Mb more than just about all other carriers.

Re:How to stream content from app X to device Y (1)

LunaticTippy (872397) | more than 8 years ago | (#15352070)

I used a T-Mobile phone as a modem for a while (pretty slow - averaged about 100kbit , high latency) and even doing filesharing regularly never hit the 2Gb limit.

Re:How to stream content from app X to device Y (1)

Tangwei (704210) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350950)

Yea.. cause you know being able to watch TV on your cell phone has been going on forever. Almost as long as breathing.

Re:How to stream content from app X to device Y (1)

mmmbeer (9963) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351424)

This is exactly the same thing I thought. All he's doing is preconverting his recorded programs to 3gp and then serving them up. I can do the same thing with nuvexport to asf and apache.

I've dug around trying to get my recorded programs to my phone, but most solutions require you to pre-transcode the file. Things like SlingBox and Sony LocationFree do it on the fly, which is what it should be. The big problem I have that everything wants you to define your video list ahead of time, rather than have a Video On Demand system that pulls from the Myth recorded database.

Here are some other technologies that people interested in this should look at:
ffserver (from ffmpeg) ffmpeg.sf.net
LiveMedia (used in Sony's product) live555.com
Videolan Client (has live and VoD support now) videolan.org
nuvexport + mythtranscode

3GP sox? (0, Offtopic)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350438)

When will sox [sourceforge.net] support conversion from/to the 3gp format?

Re:3GP sox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350491)

I can safely say: not before they start processing audio-video-interleaved formats (sox is audio only).

Re:3GP sox? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350563)

What's the lightest-weight (CPU load) process that converts WAV to 3GP? Is it really the ffmpeg3gp specified in the HowTo?

vlc (2, Interesting)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350449)

I use vlc to stream TV to my work. Seems to be very similiar to this but possibly easier to set up.
Beyond my GUI this is basicaly what I do. I use http but I think vlc can do rtsp if needed.

At home:
vlc -I http /mnt/big1/incoming/now.mpg --sout '#transcode{deinterlace,vcodec=mp4v,acodec=vorbis, vb=300,ab=80,width=320,height=240,fps=12}:standard {access=http,mux=ogg,url=111.111.111.1111:9000}' &/dev/null &

At work:
vlc http://111.111.111.111:9000/ [111.111.111.111]

Re:vlc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350749)

Yes vlc is somewhat the way to go. But streaming to ppc tcpmp sometimes hangs (over wlan), and streaming to work is impossible in a third world country like Israel (standard ADSL package upload is 96kbit/sec, and I got torrents that I need to feed, as well).

Re:vlc (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350919)

And how do you choose a different stream to playback? By restarting vlc through ssh? the web interface (even the pockety one) of vlc does not allow easy selection of streaming title.

Re:vlc (1)

Captain_Chaos (103843) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351431)

I use vlc to stream TV to my work.

Does your boss know that?

Re:vlc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15352998)

I do now!

LUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARN!!!!!!

Somebody get Lussarn in my office in five minutes!!!

Changing channels? (2, Insightful)

Durzel (137902) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350464)

Unless I'm missing the obvious, how would you go about changing the channels whilst streaming Live TV?

The article seems to mention streaming movies you have already pre-recorded, which is all well and good but if you are just going to watch pre-recorded films whats stopping you from just sticking them on your phone the next time its in the base station?

I would've thought with MythTV in the equation that streaming live TV and being able to change channels (on your phone) would be the killer app.

Re:Changing channels? (1)

Dare nMc (468959) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351598)

>I would've thought with MythTV in the equation that streaming live TV and being able to change channels (on your phone) would be the killer app.

watch live TV? thats so 1990's. I even record the morning news so I can fast forward to the weather, when I wake up (although whats the point, I live in southern AZ, the weather is just HOT and sunny everyday.)

I assume you browse mythTV web interface to choose to record the channel to watch, then you play that. Besides someone who is this addicted to gadgets would have multiple phones anyway. The next update will be to stream in multiple pieces so that you can build a 19" display out of 20 phones all displaying the same thing, directing the surround sound to different phones.

Imagine a beowolf cluster of these (1)

Dare nMc (468959) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351623)

>so that you can build a 19" display out of 20 phones all displaying the same thing

Re:Changing channels? (2, Interesting)

kormoc (122955) | more than 8 years ago | (#15352497)

Currently Xris (mythweb author), myself, and a few others have been working on adding a flash player (think google video/youtube) to mythweb, so you'd be able to watch live tv/pre recorded stuff directly from your mythweb install. There's a few issues to work out, but it is on it's way in.

Re:Changing channels? (1)

modemboy (233342) | more than 8 years ago | (#15353996)

That is a great feature to add, I get pissed at vlc some times, it is not the ideal interface for sure. Keep up the good work!

why stream recorded shows (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350472)


when you could just copy them onto a 2gb memory stick which should hold 6+ hrs of 320x240 h264 content

no internet required

Re:why stream recorded shows (1)

CRiMSON (3495) | more than 8 years ago | (#15354596)

Cause you don't get the sense of accomplishment after having spent 1 week, $100, and a couple hundred rebuilds later.

Pssshhhh copying to a mem stick and plugging it in. STUPID!

(yes this sarcastic)

Serial Evolution (0, Offtopic)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350481)

Has anyone packaged the Darwin server in a Debian or Ubuntu .deb package? Has anyone got a Darwin server to act as a stream source for a shoutcast or icecast server?

Re:Serial Evolution (1)

ribbo (515302) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350987)

Not sure about Darwin Steaming Server but I'm pretty sure you could do the same thing with the Flumotion Streaming server [flumotion.net] that uses Gstreamer [gstreamer.net]

Re:Serial Evolution (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351196)

Can Flumotion stream 3GP?

Re:Serial Evolution (1)

Trelane (16124) | more than 8 years ago | (#15352636)

Sources at Fluendo say yes, but that it requires non-free plugins. I don't have more information than that, unfortunately. If you're interested, I'd recommend talking directly to Fluendo.

No use here in Europe (3, Interesting)

OlivierB (709839) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350490)

While we may get all the new shiny phones here in Europe, 3G and other data plans are priced so high that nobody uses them (as opposed to the US where you typically get unlimited bandwith).

FYI, I am with Orange in the UK where I am charged £4 for 4MB per month (that's about a Slashdot page per DAY!).

I went to the Netherlands for week-end and unfortunately needed to lookup a few things on my PDA while over there, I totalled £60 for almost 5MB (that's USD 100 for you guys).

So I won't be streaming 24 and al from no mythbox to my cellphone.

T-Mobile launched web-n-walk which they sell as unlimited usage for £30 except you can't use it for P2P (duh), but excludes as well any IM (!!) or VOIP usage.

I hope data-plans are next (after roaming charges) on the EU's commission list of but-rape things to fix.

What phones does this work on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350763)

I have a Motorola E815 on Verzion.. It plays 3gp video that's on the phone's internal memory as well as video that's on a micro SD card.. It also streams video (what look to be some form of protected WMVs...) from verizon's "VCAST" video service. I can't for the life of me figure out how to stream my own video though. Going to a video/streaming video link in the phone's openwave browser does nothing. Any ideas?

Re:What phones does this work on? (1)

TheJediGeek (903350) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351329)

Last I checked, the US doesn't have 3G service.
So, I think this would work for almost anyone NOT in the US.

Thanks to our WONDERFUL government sponsored telecom monopolies, the US is generally way behind the rest of the western world in terms of cell phone technologies.

Re:What phones does this work on? (1)

awaspaas (663879) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351561)

Welcome to 2001, slick!

Re:What phones does this work on? (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351785)

"Thanks to our WONDERFUL government sponsored telecom monopolies, the US is generally way behind the rest of the western world in terms of cell phone technologies."

I'm not denying that telcom monopolies have inhibited adoption of new technologies, but...

Early adoption has a lot to do with this as well, as in any industry where tech deployment is very expensive. Sure, there may be newer and better tech out there, but the cost of deployment is more than the benefit of upgrading.

Laying this problem at the feet of the telco monopolies is FUD.

Re:What phones does this work on? (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15353746)

Actually, Verizon does have very limited 3G service right now, a half dozen cities at most. I don't know if they allow access to phones yet, but they do sell access cards for it. It's *supposed* to be nation wide by next year.

Re:What phones does this work on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15355091)

Yeah, I've been using EVDO tethering with my E815 forrrrevver.. ##DIALUP on the phone, connect with bluetooth on the mac.. instant, unlimited high(ish) speed web anywhere (Well, it's fast in EVDO service areas anyways :P). Really kicks ass on vacations/business trips/any time I'm away from home. Granted, it's against their Terms of Service to tether, but seeing as they don't offer a service plan for the phone that supports tethering (They want you to shell out $$$ for a PCMCIA card...) I really could care less ;-)

Shame it doesn't support streaming video on the phone though, I guess I'll just have to punish VZW for crippling their phones by streaming much larger (and higher bitrate) than 3gp on my laptop through the phone :-D

I think I'm the only one left... (1)

nuclearpenguins (907128) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350866)

Who uses their cell phone simply to place and recieve calls and nothing else. There has to be someone else out there like me who doesn't give a rat's ass about video/music on their phone.

Re:I think I'm the only one left... (1)

jabelar (913707) | more than 8 years ago | (#15353740)

Yeah, now when you go to buy a cell phone the salesperson will ask: "what are you planning to use it for?" Duh! Maybe I want to phone people with it ...

Orb is here now and it works (-1, Troll)

Radi-0-head (261712) | more than 8 years ago | (#15350935)

Alternately, you can spend 30 seconds installing Orb on your Windows XP box and start streaming from just about ANY mobile device. But hey, some people like the feeling of empowerment that comes from wasting lots of time modifying scripts and tweaking config files to gain mediocre results.

Re:Orb is here now and it works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15351014)

kind of like people that prefer to spend lots of money on mircosoft products and the ever faster computers need to run them for medicore results.

some people are rich assholes without technical know-how. others are comfortable but prefer to use their brain to gain technical know-how.

Let me guess what camp you are in.

Re:Orb is here now and it works (1)

Radi-0-head (261712) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351167)

I'm in the "my time is valuable and I need things to work" camp. For better or worse, XP provides me with an experience that allows me to be productive without having to resort to recompiling my kernel or learning another command line interface.

If I were using Linux as long as I've been using Windows, the situation might be different. Unfortunately, the reality is that Windows is in the majority and has been the (desktop) OS of choice for just about every business and individual I've dealt with.

Re:Orb is here now and it works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15352624)

and so it shall continue, thanks to people like you.

Re:Orb is here now and it works (0, Flamebait)

ratboy666 (104074) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351054)

Orb.

1 - $10 per month, $80 per year. To stream YOUR content to YOUR device. Not bad if you can get it.

2 - Binary application. No idea WHAT it does. And I don't trust them.

3 - Limited tuner support.

Within those limitations -- sure go ahead. I don't run rogue-ware on my server, though. Especially a front-facing server.

YMMV

Ratboy

Re:Orb is here now and it works (2, Informative)

Radi-0-head (261712) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351095)

Uh, Orb is free. I've been using it for 6 months and they have never requested any type of payment.

My Bad (1)

ratboy666 (104074) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351356)

I try to stay on top of multimedia related stuff. Its a flood. My original press release from Orb indicated a fee. I have checked the web-site: you are correct, no fee is charged.

I apologize for the mis-information.

Ratboy.

Re:Orb is here now and it works (1)

axonxorz (966017) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351489)

But hey, some people like the feeling of empowerment that comes from wasting lots of time modifying scripts and tweaking config files to gain mediocre results.
You are right, some people DO like to "waste their time" and whatnot because
A) some people enjoy doing that
B) you gain knowledge for next time you want to stream a different format
C) you have complete control over what your application is doing, it's not a closed source binary that might phone home or come packaged with some spyware or something like that

Re:Orb is here now and it works (2, Informative)

MrDoh1 (906953) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351813)

If I had mod points I'd mod you up. I can't believe this was called flamebait as it's a wonderful service and more feature rich alternative than what the TFA provides.

Orb can stream pretty much any (XVID, DIVX, MPEG, QT, RM, WMV and more) prerecorded video to any device with an internet connection. I've even used it over 26.4k dialup with acceptable results (considering the speed). At 26.4k normal streaming radio stations want to buffer every three or four minutes, but with orb streaming video at that same speed I can watch for an hour or more without any rebuffering.

Throw a capture card in your PC and it can also record via antenna, cable, satellite, etc. You can then watch the recorded content via stream at any time.

Better than that, you can stream live TV! You can change the channel right from your normal media player (pretty much any) while watching. You use the forward and back buttons and it changes the channels up or down. Need a break? Hit pause. When you are ready it will pick right up where you left off.

You can put up pictures so anytime you want you can look at the picture of your baby (or your PC if you are that much of a geek).

Orb also streams whatever audio you may have and want it to.

Another nifty thing, you can setup "shared folders" so you can allow others to see your media (suppose to be for only media you actually own the rights to, not TV or the Simpsons episodes you ripped from your DVDs.

I'll tell ya, it makes the weekend or holidays at the in-laws bearable. Pick up my iPaq and hit an access point and at least I'm entertained for a while.

The only current draw back for me is that it won't currently run on any flavor of 64 bit Windows (at least not the live TV part which is the biggest draw for me. And it's likely that is an issue with Directshow and the capture card drivers.)

Shhh... Lets not tell the **AA about this! This is a service I for sure don't want to lose but I can't believe exists in the first place.

#i8c.trolltalk.com (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15350988)

futuRe at all [goat.cx]

This is Awesome (1)

carrier lost (222597) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351037)


Now I just have to find something on TV I actually want to watch so badly that I can't wait until I get home and I'll be the shizzle!

MjM

Carriers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15351069)

What carriers has anyone used for this kind of video streaming? Mine (Verizon) blocks RTSP video streaming (see http://cognections.typepad.com/lifeblog/2005/10/re quest_for_com.html#comment-10560368 [typepad.com] ), probably to lock customers into VCAST. I'd be willing to switch to T-Mobile or Sprint just for something like this.

Re:Carriers? (1)

mycal (135781) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351295)


Yes I love the Verizon phone service, but there data services leave alot to be desired. They have completely lobotomized there phones, I have the new Razor and It won't run java apps even though the phone supports it.

Many other things about Verizon data services stink, unless of course you want to do things there way and use only "get it now" and vcast.

mycal

I've set up a web page too (2, Funny)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351453)


On it, I tell you how to take a book with you and read when you're bored.

Re:I've set up a web page too (2, Funny)

hobbesx (259250) | more than 8 years ago | (#15351727)

Ok, I'm on the table of contents, but I can't figure out where to click to get to the first chapter. Any hints?
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