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PS3 to Sell at Over $800 in UK

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the dollar-to-pound-conversion-gets-me-every-time dept.

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joe 155 writes "The Register is reporting that ' the PS3 will cost £425 in the UK - over $800'. SCE UK Managing Director Rat Maguire said: 'I don't think it's an expensive machine - I think actually, it's probably a cheap machine. If you think a Blu-Ray player by itself might be £600-700, and we're coming in at just £425, it's a bargain.' Can a console really be viable at this price?"

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379 comments

Typo of the Century! (4, Funny)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366037)


From TFA (emphasis mine):
Interviewed by Eurogamer, SCE UK Managing Director Rat Maguire said: "I don't think it's an expensive machine - I think actually, it's probably a cheap machine.
Now the question is: was this merely an innocent mistake, or actually a subtle commentary by Tony Smith, who is probably pissed that he has to shell out £425 for a PS3?

Re:Typo of the Century! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366185)

Perhaps if he'd called him a Prat it would be a better typo.

Re:Typo of the Century! (2, Interesting)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366248)

While it is certainly a humorous gaffe, I think it's part of a larger marketing ploy by Sony. Over the next 6 months, we are going to be bombarded with quotes saying that 600 bucks is "really quite cheap." The thing is, knowing how much the average consumer thinks about things, this Jedi mind trick will probably work. Come November, you'll see lots of people stating with perfectly straight faces that "600 dollars for a console isn't expensive."

Re:Typo of the Century! (5, Insightful)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366328)

Execpt sitting right next to it will be Nintendo's offering at around £200 (probably nearer £150 or £175). I know which one I'm gonna buy, I had the same choice when I went into the shop and saw the PSP bundle at £270 and the DS bundle at £120. I chose the DS, people will buy the Nintendo, especially as it's going to come out at more than 1\2 the price in the UK, and about 1\3 the price in the US

PS3 to Sell at Over $800 in UK (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366406)

Speaking of typos, I'm pretty certain the the unit of currency in the UK is not the dollar.

Anyway.. $800.. that's about £50 these days, isn't it?

Re:PS3 to Sell at Over $800 in UK (1)

Traiklin (901982) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366529)

not quite, you are only off by about £375, $800.00 = £426.54

Change Your Ads Then! (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366040)

If you think a Blu-Ray player by itself might be £600-700, and we're coming in at just £425, it's a bargain.'
Buddy, if your logic rests upon the consumer thinking about this being a blu-ray player, then you had better change your marketing strategy.

When I look for a gaming console, I don't care if it plays 8 tracks. I want to be able to play fun games and I would like to do it without too high of a price tag. If you want people to buy it for blu-ray functionality, you better market it as such because the gaming & movie crowds might overlap but one is far larger than the other.

And that's not even bringing up the problems me and my friends experienced with first generation PS2s and their ability (or lack thereof) to play DVDs. I haven't played a DVD in a PS2 for years ... now I've learned my lesson and don't care what a console can do aside from gaming.

Do one thing right and don't bloat your hardware please. You haven't had a spotless track record for testing prior to release and more functionality means a lot more testing.

Do you want me to see this as "The Playstation Three" or "The Sony Blu-Ray Player"? Pick one and make a solid product.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (1)

omeg (907329) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366091)

Pardon?

Do you have any idea how many people went to the store to buy a PS2 for the reason that it can keep the kids happy AND play DVDs? Your previous post assumes that the largest part of the market is into this for the games; it might very well be so that this isn't true. I don't know, either, but what I do know is that not everybody is a hardcore gamer who just wants to have a console for the games.

I also don't see what's wrong with playing DVDs in the PS2. I bought a PS2 because I wanted to play games, but also because I wanted to play DVDs. The PS2 does that well enough, right?

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (4, Insightful)

Rydia (556444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366145)

1) The PS2 didn't cost 400 freaking quid
2) DVD was an emerging standard with a huge and noticeable advantage over the popular storage medium of the time (VHS), while BR is not
3) Sony will lose money hand over fist if people just buy it as a player without games. However, this doesn't happen, because people do buy consoles for games. The entire business model is driven by this fact.
4) Did I mention it cost 400 freaking pounds?!

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366177)

The problem is that when the PS2 came out, there was still a significant portion of the population that didn't own a DVD player, so it was a real bargain (especially when decent standalone DVD players at the time were close to $200).

Now, everyone already has a DVD player, and a standalone player can be had for $50. Sure, Bluray is a new technology, but to most people it's just a fancy DVD, and they already have a DVD player. When the PS2 came out, DVD technology had been out for years, and it was in the middle of the transition from "early adopter" product to "mass market" product. Bluray hasn't even really come out yet, and is still in the very early stages of the "early adopter" market.

Basically, while Microsoft and Nintendo are offering game consoles that immediately appeal to the mass market, Sony is putting in a very expensive cutting-edge technology that pretty much guarantees their primary market will be the affluent early adopters. While this is certainly a viable market, it's a much much smaller one. While this may not matter in commodity electronics, in the gaming industry, where the number of units you can sell has a major effect on how many developers make games for your platform, shooting for such a small market can kill a console before it ever gets off the ground.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (3, Insightful)

iainl (136759) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366199)

"I bought a PS2 because I wanted to play games, but also because I wanted to play DVDs. The PS2 does that well enough, right?"

In a word, no. At least in the UK, they deliberately crippled the player by only allowing it to output DVDs in composite. By quite a large margin, the PS2 is the worst DVD player I've ever had the misfortune to watch.

Now, having discovered this last time, why would I hand over £425 (£425!!!) for the follow-up on the grounds that will output BluRay images. We already know that they've crippled the audio output to DVD quality, why expect the picture to be any better?

actually, it didn't (1)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366225)

My PS2 DVD player would fade in and out, and also had a greatly lowered max volume (to the point that if the traffic was busy outside and the windows were open, I couldn't hear the movie sometimes)

I fixed the dimming effect by running the PS2 through an RF adapter, degrading the signal.

So, no, the PS2 didn't meet my expectations for a DVD player and I had to buy another one. Which was part of the reason why I bought the PS2 in the first place, unfortunately.

Re:actually, it didn't (1)

StarvingSE (875139) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366354)

Were you, by any chance, running it off of a daisy chain with your VCR? If so, many VCR's will fade your picture in and out so you can't copy your DVD's to VHS. I'm not sure if they mess with the sound at all. Might be the reason for the fading.

I've used my PS2 as a DVD player for many years and it has been more than adequate for that purpose.

Re:actually, it didn't (1)

timster (32400) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366551)

Fading in and out was possibly Macrovision (as another poster suggested), but the quiet audio problem was a well known issue with the PS2. Possibly it was fixed with a later revision.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366544)

There is a big difference now. Not that many people are gung ho on buying an HD DVD.
Most people already thing that DVDs are high def. I know they are wrong but it DVDs are for the most part "good enough" kind of like MP3 audio.
Now you have two different formats and everyone knows that one will fail. I don't know about you but I am waiting for the shake out and only then will I invest in a HD-DVD player and movies.
I am totally shocked at the amount of really bad press Sony is getting over the PS-3.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (5, Insightful)

Evangelion (2145) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366143)


They can't.

I don't think Sony is capable of NOT trying to control a format. The PS3 is simply thier attempt to get an installed base of Blu-Ray players, fast, and beat out HD-DVD. The rest of the company is simply using the PS division to futher thier own ends.

WHY they need to control a format is up for grabs -- it's possible it's just thier culture, or the dogma handed down by the leaders that has been followed for decades. But this is the exact same thing as Beta, MD, Memory Sticks, and UMD -- all of which failed to get any support outside of Sony products.

The PS3 is expensive, but it's the only player in it's domain in Japan -- the Xbox 360 has, somehow, been less successful than the original Xbox over there.

There's also an interesting column about E3's fallout in Japan [next-gen.biz] that makes the next-gen battle much different over there. It's interesting to note that if the PS3 will be bringing demo/content delivery services to Japan, it would be a revolutionary first, given that Japan's gaming landscape is much different than North America's (difference: Nintendo managed to get game rentals outlawed there back in the day. So game magazines have much more clout, which a demo download service could disrupt.)

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366703)

"They can't.

I don't think Sony is capable of NOT trying to control a format"

http://www.bluraydisc.com/ [bluraydisc.com]

How exactly is Sony trying to 'control' the BluRay format when it is controlled by all of these companies:

        * Apple Computer
        * Dell
        * Hewlett Packard
        * Hitachi
        * LG Electronics
        * Mitsubishi Electric
        * Panasonic (Matsushita Electric)
        * Pioneer Corporation
        * Royal Philips Electronics
        * Samsung Electronics
        * Sharp Corporation
        * Sony Corporation
        * TDK Corporation
        * Thomson
        * Twentieth Century Fox
        * Walt Disney Pictures
        * Warner Home Video Inc.

"WHY they need to control a format is up for grabs -- it's possible it's just thier culture, or the dogma handed down by the leaders that has been followed for decades. But this is the exact same thing as Beta, MD, Memory Sticks, and UMD -- all of which failed to get any support outside of Sony products."

Sigh...

"The PS3 is simply thier attempt to get an installed base of Blu-Ray players, fast, and beat out HD-DVD."

Because everyone knows that a product can't be more than one thing...

"the Xbox 360 has, somehow, been less successful than the original Xbox over there."

The 360 has been less successful than the first Xbox in every region it is selling in...

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (2, Informative)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366160)

When I look for a gaming console, I don't care if it plays 8 tracks

You might not care if the game plays off 8-tracks but remember when Nintendo announced that their N64 system is going to be CARTRIDGES? Nintendo came upon a lot of attack for doing that when the Playstation and Dreamcast were advancing to CDs. So yeah, people care about the medium they're playing on. Whether they care about Blu-Ray remains to be seen, though.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366301)

"You might not care if the game plays off 8-tracks but remember when Nintendo announced that their N64 system is going to be CARTRIDGES? Nintendo came upon a lot of attack for doing that when the Playstation and Dreamcast were advancing to CDs. So yeah, people care about the medium they're playing on. Whether they care about Blu-Ray remains to be seen, though."

um how old are you? you do know the problem with carts more than anything else was not that they stored less but that they are wicked expensive. Compare a cart to a CD and you see why carts are not as good for something that is not mobile. CDs cost pennies to make and store a lot more.

Bluray may store more but it is wicked expensive hardware and software wise (with hd textures and stuff). The compariosn you are making is true but it is the developers who care not really the consumers. In this case, bluray = carts.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366179)

I was going to mod you up, but I'd rather emphasize your point: It seems as if that the folks at Sony got spooked by the backlash over the high price, so they are suddenly switching their target market. All of a sudden, the PS3 goes from a game machine that plays Blu-Ray DVDs to a Blu-Ray DVD player that plays games.

Functionality issues aside, most product converging two high-tech items have a very limited market appeal. It's the reason why every high-definition TV doesn't come with a built-in DVD player. It's the same reason why people prefer to carry an IPod and a small cell phone instead of getting an MP3 phone. While these products (might) exist, people get more satisfaction out of buying one item at a time. Converging products are also very difficult to market, as people looking for one item don't necessarily need or want the extra bundled features, especially if they significantly increase the price.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366188)

Do you want me to see this as "The Playstation Three" or "The Sony Blu-Ray Player"? Pick one and make a solid product.
Sony's been rather clear that their long-term strategy, since, at least, the PS2 was on the drawing board, with the "gaming console" was to move toward an integrated entertainment media platform. Whether you agree with it or not, it seems rather unlikely that their going to suddenly change direction between now and the release of the PS3 and have much effect on what the PS3 ends up being.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366245)

Sorry clown, Sony doesn't need the indignant advice of some random idiot like you.

The PS3 will sell in the 120-150 million worldwide range. We wouldn't be putting our, and other console developer's, mainline exclusive IPs once again on Sony's platform if it wasn't. The PS3 is, incredible as it sounds, even in a stronger position than the PS2 was at this time six years ago.

Nintendo only stands a chance in Japan against the PS3. Nintendo did have a chance in the US to make N64 level numbers until their 'clever' marketing move on the naming sabotaged all that.

Microsoft has basically flunked out of the race and are no longer relevant to any next gen console discussions. Weak hardware, defective manufacturing process, lack of BC, nightmare to program, and so on. The worst selling console in over a decade. At least Microsoft has pc/Vista gaming to fall back on.

1080p sets are plummeting in price. A cheap way to play BluRay/highdef content is about to explode once a good selection of sets hits the 700-1000 dollar range soon. And the PS3 is going to be selling like mad with all of those new 1080p sets.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (1)

YU Nicks NE Way (129084) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366497)

Hey, the Anonymous sonytroll is back, but now he's burdened by facts. He used to just be able to talk about how the XBox 360 would be/is/was a failure, but now he's got to justify why the P$$$$ will be a success, paper launch and all.

Dude, here's a suggestion. If your company is tying its fortunes to a sinking ship...find a lifeboat.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366620)

"how the XBox 360 would be/is/was a failure"

Uh...

How exactly is the Xbox 360 NOT a failure?

The latest worldwide sales numbers are 1.7 million after six months. Those numbers are worse than the first Xbox and Dreamcast. Much worse. Has there ever been a console that sold that poorly?

They have given up on backwards compatibility.

Manufacturing defects are still rampant with the consensus putting the failure rate at 15-20 percent with huge numbers of people on their third, fourth, and fifth 360 units.

And the most troubling is reports from 360 developers complaining about the graphics system which seems like it was never designed to handle 720p but instead 480p.

Regardless of how well the PS3 will sell start November, it is hard to see the Xbox 360 as anything but one of the biggest console failures ever. I don't know anyone who has a PS2 who isn't planning on getting a PS3. None of the people I know who have Xboxes are planning on getting a 360, they are all planning on getting a Wii or PS3.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366689)

Actually, given the price of the Wiiiiiiiiiii! most people who shell out for a ps3 will be able to afford the Wiiiiiiiii! if the games available interest them.

Re:Change Your Ads Then! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366282)

If you think a Blu-Ray player by itself might be £600-700, and we're coming in at just £425, it's a bargain.

If they think Blu-Ray's going to fly as a format they better get the player cost down. Earlier adopter or not, their market for any content is going to be very small.

Sure they could stop making DVDs and force people to adopt the new format, but you could bet that the number of people bootlegging DVDs would explode.

But here's the thing (2, Insightful)

sterno (16320) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366583)

People will buy the PS3. In fact, a lot of people will buy the PS3. The price is high yes, but not so high that it's pricing people out of it. Yes, 425 pounds is $800, but then the dollar has been tanking.

Are people going to buy PS3 as a blu-ray player? No. But then that's not the point. The point is that when movie studios are looking to support HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, and there's already millions of Blu-Ray players out there because of all the PS3's, what are they going to choose.

Practically speaking very few people are out there are buying HD-DVD or Blu-Ray right now. Most people I know don't even have HDTV yet. Of those that do I can't imagine many of them shelling out $800-1000 for a HD movie player yet. However, of those people I can imagine many of them buying a PS3. They won't buy it to be a player, of course, but hey, if it will play those, why shell out the money for an HD-DVD player when you've got a Blu-ray player sitting in your living room already.

It's going to be probably 3-4 years before either HD format becomes vaguely mainstream. DVD players are dirt cheap right now and since most people don't have HD, it's not worth investing in the format (especially if all the HD players will be backward compatible with DVD's). However if you have a PS3, expect to upgrade to HD at some point, and have a choice between a Blu-ray and a DVD version of a movie, why not get the higher quality now? Then you won't feel a need to upgrade later.

The PS3 will be expensive relative to what's out there now, but people will buy it. And because it'll be in millions of living rooms unlike HD-DVD players. Sony's probably losing a fair bit on the PS3 but if it lays the ground work for winning the format war on HD video, they'll be rolling in the licensing fees for at least a decade.

VAT (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366044)

IS this before or after the VAT TAX

Re:VAT (1)

Fred Or Alive (738779) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366081)

That'll be with VAT, only stuff aimed at businesses quote ex-VAT prices.

Re:VAT (5, Funny)

ZombieWomble (893157) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366149)

IS this before or after the VAT TAX

Don't you just hate redundancy in TLA Acronyms?

Re:VAT (1)

davidoff404 (764733) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366238)

After tax. Retail, i.e., direct to customer, prices in the EU must be quoted inclusive of tax by law. Even when selling business to business, ex-VAT prices are almost always quoted alongside VAT-inclusive prices.

Prices of other consoles in the UK (2, Insightful)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366052)

So does anyone know how much the Wii and the 360 will cost there? If everything there just costs more then saying $800 is meaningless.

Re:Prices of other consoles in the UK (1)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366102)

i would think that the wii will be about £200, maybe that with a game, I think you can get a new 360 for about £300. I know we pay loads more for things though. tut.

Re:Prices of other consoles in the UK (1)

Hast (24833) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366105)

According to Amazon.co.uk a X360 (non-core) costs £279.99, which is about $525 (it's probably a bit less though).

Naturally nothing has been officially said about the price on the Wii yet.

Re:Prices of other consoles in the UK (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366111)

> So does anyone know how much the Wii and the 360 will cost there? If everything
> there just costs more then saying $800 is meaningless.

Saying $800 isn't meaningless if it's going to cost $800. What the other consoles cost in the UK is irrelevant.

Re:Prices of other consoles in the UK (1)

arodland (127775) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366299)

It would make it meaningless in terms of the tone that the article was written in, which is "what a bunch of idiots Sony are!"

Re:Prices of other consoles in the UK (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366662)

It is meaningless because you're converting to dollars and ignoring that the UK price includes VAT (tax) whereas the US price is before tax. You should regard its price in proportion to what other consoles cost in the UK. For example the XBox 360 costs £280 in the UK so that's the price to be working off.

Re:Prices of other consoles in the UK (2, Informative)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366140)

There is no price set for the Wii for any region yet (though reasonably it will be between $200 and $250 in the US), and the X-Box 360 costs 279 GBP (roughly $530~ish).

See, the real indication about the absurdity of the price is that in any country using Euros, the price has been announced at 499-599 euros, which is already higher than the US price by a significant margin. That converts to 338-405 GBP. It seems they slapped an extra 20 GBP onto the expensive model for no reason whatsoever bringing it even higher above the already-inflated EU price.

Re:Prices of other consoles in the UK (4, Informative)

Fred Or Alive (738779) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366159)

The premium Xbox 360 is £280 (~$530), the crap pack is £210 (~$400), the basic (not value / giga pack) PSP is £150 (~$280) and the PlayStation 2 and Xbox 1 both launched at £300 (~$570), although the latter dropped in price very quickly, and Microsoft ended up giving away some controllers and games to early adopters in compensation. All prices rounded up, and include 17.5% VAT.

The Pound Sterling price is slightly (about £10-20) more than the Euro one, those British plugs must cost a bomb.

+1 insightful (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366181)

I live in UK, but I am not from here and I just get £700 monthly to live. I am *really* looking forward to buy the Revolution (Wii), from the way I have seen prices are driven in UK, it will surely cost £199 (if it is $200 in USA) or ~ £239 if it is $250 in USA.

I can not understand how this people let themselves get screwed so hard, of course they tend not to feel it. No matter how I show them on Amazon, Ebay, etc they just do not get it. But, if we see for example my girlfried who is working in telephone answering and is getting almost the minimum, she is getting £200 weekly. Of course we have to pay the flat rent and all those things.

$800 is no meaningless at all, does anybody in the UK can see it? It was funny how a guy I just knew was all amazed because he went to Prague and got a beer for £0.50, she was coompletely shocked when I told him that was the price of a beer in Mexico also. And here they pay at least £1.50 for a beer made HERE.

Anyway, I hate the way Sony is trying to push the PS3, saying "OMG it is almost a gift for what it does!!!", but does anybody knows what the heck does it do? blue ray player?, No thanks, I will wait until I can buy a chinnese player, without all the DRM shit. /rant

Re:+1 insightful (2, Insightful)

robthebob (742982) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366570)

You say we let ourselves "get screwed so hard" and "they just do not get it" but what can we actually do about it? We know the prices are significantly higher, for no good reason, but we still have to pay them if we want the product. American companies enjoy getting their free 30% markup over here, and they even charge more here than Europe, despite the fact that they don't even need to do any translation here.

This just in.. (4, Insightful)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366059)

Extremely Rich Man doesn't think £425 is a lot of money.

In other news, a homeless man retracted his suicide plans upon finding a tenner in the gutter.

Blue ray (1)

JVert (578547) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366064)

So... not only will the PS23 not sell, but your telling me blue ray is going to be even worse? ...the hell is wrong with you?

Blu-Ray marketing. (1)

Volanin (935080) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366065)

If you think a Blu-Ray player by itself might be £600-700, and we're coming in at just £425, it's a bargain.


It's seems clear by now.
Sony does not want to promote its next console as a video-game.
It wants to estabilish the blu-ray format as the default next-gen media.

And indeed, it has a lot more to afford financially if this happens.
Let's just see if its plans will follow through.
I, for one, am *not* buying a ps3 this time.

(Although i have a ps1 and ps2 and love them.)

Nothing to see here (4, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366109)

This is normal practice in the UK. Our prices are always higher than overseas, it`s nothing new.

They don`t call us "Treasure Island" for nothing. After all, what are you going to do? Buy an import PS3 and UK games won`t work, plus import tax will kill any saving. Go to Europe to avoid region coding and taxes? How many people actually will?

Re:Nothing to see here (2, Informative)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366230)

I read somewhere on /. a few weeks ago that the PS3 supposedly has no region locks. Apparently it's the only legitimate defence modchippers have so they removed it.

Re:Nothing to see here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366239)

After all, what are you going to do? Buy an import PS3 and UK games won`t work, plus import tax will kill any saving. Go to Europe to avoid region coding and taxes? How many people actually will?

C) None of the above. Have we all forgotten that Sony is an abusive control freak company? Of course not, you all just rationalise your principles away. I don't give a flying fuck how much the consoles cost because they are all made by greedy abusive companies who will screw me over every chance they get.

Re:Nothing to see here (1)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366556)

D) Simply refuse to buy it until the price comes down to a level that seems reasonable. E) Buy a competetor's product instead due to the difference in cost.

Not that expensive (2, Informative)

Jboost (960475) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366113)

Remember the Neo Geo and 3DO, they were well over $800 (with inflation adjustment). See: http://curmudgeongamer.com/2006/05/history-of-cons ole-prices-or-500-aint.html/ [curmudgeongamer.com]

Re:Not that expensive (4, Insightful)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366196)

And how successful were those consoles?

Re:Not that expensive (1)

Rydia (556444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366203)

We're comparing it to the NG and 3DO? I thought the point was to be SUCCESSFUL. "Expensive" isn't some sort of absolute comparison to everything that's come before it, it's what people consider above a reasonable price ceiling. The only point you could make with that data is that the PS3 is too expensive, because it's closest comparable compatriots were monumental flops!

Re:Not that expensive (2, Insightful)

rizawbone (577492) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366218)

Remember the Neo Geo and 3DO, they were well over $800 (with inflation adjustment)

Yeah, and now both companies are bankrupt.

Re:Not that expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366541)

SNK (who sold the Neo Geo) is still around.

Cheap Machines (2, Insightful)

Hairball6494 (975716) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366114)

I agree with the bit about the machines being cheap. Just think. If you had a desktop with the kind of gaming power these little boxes such as the 360 and the PS3, they'd cost well over $1,000. I'm not buying a console since I sold my gen 1 xBox. I don't think they're worth it. Besides, how many of you can pull yourselves from your computers long enough to play on a console?

Re:Cheap Machines (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366461)

It's not about whether the components justify the price, its about whether you think that the system is worth the cost for your specific purpose. At $400 (or more) most gamers are unwilling to purchase a new system because they either can not afford it or they have better uses for the money; I spent less than $400 on games this year and I purchased more than a game a month.

Sony is selling the PS3 at $600 because it provides the Benefit of Blu-Ray when most people don't have an HDTV, and of those with an HDTV very few have one that is capable to display 1080p; look at Plasma and LCD tvs, most of them "support" 720p and 1080i but many (most of the lower price ones that people use when they say "HDTVs are comming down in price") don't even display at full resolution. (1024x768 and what not are their actual resolutions). Why would I pay $600 for something I can not take advantage of when I can put that money towards games for my Wii (I must own one), DS and 360?

Re:Cheap Machines (1)

pla (258480) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366472)

If you had a desktop with the kind of gaming power these little boxes such as the 360 and the PS3, they'd cost well over $1,000.

And if I had a desktop that could run as fast as a horse, it too would cost well over $1,000.

Just because both have CPUs and can play games doesn't make them comparable. My car has no fewer than 7 CPUs, and I play games in it all the time. So should I justify the price of a high-end gaming PC by saying that my car costs more and can't even push as many gigaflops?


The PS3 (and any gaming console, except possible the original XBox) represents a very crippled subset of the capabilities of a PC. So it doesn't really matter if they need to include 99% of a PC in there, as long as they don't let me use it as a PC when not gaming, with my OS of choice and an off-the-shelf USB keyboard and mouse. But that will happen right around the same time Apple releases OS-X for commodity PC hardware and Billy G puts Vista under the GPL.

Why would I have a problem? (4, Insightful)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366523)

"Besides, how many of you can pull yourselves from your computers long enough to play on a console?"

*raises hand*

If I'm going to play a game anyway, why would I care that much if I sit on this chair in front of the computer or on that sofa in front of the TV? No, seriously. I'm there for the game, regardless of whether it's a computer, console, or a magic Ouija board with a LCD screen.

Seems to me that some people get so focused on the means, that they lose sight of the goal. The computer is not the goal, and the console isn't the goal either. They're just _means_. Playing a good game is the goal.

That's it. That's what being a "gamer" is all about: games. Nothing else. Everything else is in some other category. And let me recap it, for those who still don't get it:

- E.g., those just wanting to brag about how many more 3DMark points their new 7900 GTX scores than my PS2, those aren't really looking for the "gamer" category. I don't play 3DMark, I play games. For that kinda discussion, that's over there, through the door labelled "willy wavers".

- E.g., contrary to popular belief, stupid fanboy wars about Nintendo vs Sony vs Microsoft aren't "gamer" stuff either. The brand name isn't a goal, and anyone who has serving Nintendo or Sony or MS as a goal really needs to take a break and a critical look at their life. Again, playing a good game is the goal. Owning a Nintendo or a Sony or a MS console or a PC is merely a means to playing the game you want to play, nothing more.

- E.g., no, as a gamer I don't give a flying fuck about the controller being with/without vibration, banana shaped, nunchaku shaped, mouse+keyboard, or whatever, either. That's just means too. Will there be a great game that requires that controller? In some cases, I seriously doubt it, but the final judgment will be actually seeing that game on the shelves, or not. Then I'll go and buy the right controller for it too. (I had no problems buying lightguns for lightgun games, or a Dreamcast keyboard for chatting in PSO, after all. But again, those were the means, not the end. The purpose was the game, not the lightgun.)

Will I buy a PS3 or a Wii or an XBox 360? Hell if I know. Maybe all three, maybe neither, maybe something in between. Depends on whether any of them will have enough games I really want to play. If they have the games, sure, sign me up. If not, not. It's all about the games, in the end, everything else is just means.

And again, if a game I want to play is only on a console, I'll have no problem getting up from the computer and moving over to the console. Why wouldn't I? Doubly so if the whole genre doesn't even exist on the PC. (When was the last time there was a fighting game for the PC, for example?)

Re:Cheap Machines (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366543)

Yeah but for $800 you can build your self a pretty decent computer gaming machine. (assuming you own a monitor already which is fair since it's not like the PS3 comes with a TV). By decent gaming machine I mean it will be able to play every game out now. Maybe not in full detail or 1600x1200 res. but it will be a pretty nice over all computer.

From the Article (5, Funny)

Orrin Bloquy (898571) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366115)

"Outraged chavs complained that it would take saving two or three welfare payments to afford the PS3, and that being unfamiliar with how banks worked they were being unfairly discriminated against."

Coffee, meet keyboard (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366498)

I can see the Daily Mail headlines already :p

£425?! (0)

Jeffery Switzerland (975925) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366129)

Why does it cost so much more in the UK?! You really are limiting yourself to single men or men rich enough that their wives/girlfriends aren't going to kick up a fuss over blowing £425 on a console, and let's be honest no one got rich by playing games. Plus I can't imagine the argument for Blu-Ray will fly that well here, we're not a very tech hungry country (relatively) only a tiny minority of our television programmes are broadcast in HDTV and I think you'll have a job convincing people here that they need to give up their DVD players anytime soon (especially as you can now get a DVD player for £20/30)

Expect the Playstation to underperform. (5, Insightful)

Ckwop (707653) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366132)

It's not going to stay that price. All the consoles have come down in price relatively quickly. So the question is not whether it is viable but more whether it's a sensible decision.

The way consoles are sold is quite a clever exercise in capturing the consumer surplus; that is, segmenting your market according to their willingness to pay. You launch at a price that is very high to start with and you capture the relatively small segment of the market that thinks your product is really worth that much. You then slowly lower your price so you hoover up more and more of the people who are willing to part with their cash when the price is more reasonable. Eventually, as you near the end of production, you cut your prices further to get it off the shelves and get the people who want something for nothing.

The problem Sony has neglected to contemplate is that this Playstation is not launching in the same conditions as the previous versions of the brand. It is not the first to market with the new generation of console. This is crucial, because now Microsoft is already ahead of the curve with the price strategy I described above. At every stage in the price lowering, we'd expect Microsoft to be cheaper than the Playstation. The Xbox 360 is likely to have more games at any given instant than the Playstation 3.

Another factor here is BluRay. I'd estimate that 80% of Playstation 2s are hooked up to a small TV in some teenageers bedroom. They're not going to go out and buy a High-Definition set for their Playstation 3. They will get no benefit from the enhanced resolution of BluRay and therefore see no reason to buy it.

For this reason, I expect the Playstation to under perform by a long way. It may even cause the Playstation to fade much in the same way the Dreamcast caused Sega to wash out to see. These are interesting times to be alive.

Simon.

Re:Expect the Playstation to underperform. (1)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366355)

... The problem Sony has neglected to contemplate is that this Playstation is not launching in the same conditions as the previous versions of the brand. It is not the first to market with the new generation of console. This is crucial, because now Microsoft is already ahead of the curve ...


I'm not a Sony fanboi or anything (in fact, I'm a self proclaimed Nintendo Whore). With that out of the way.

I beg to differ.

2 Words:

Sega Dreamcast

Re:Expect the Playstation to underperform. (1)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366363)

I agree with most of what you have said but there is one thing that stands out
The Xbox 360 is likely to have more games at any given instant than the Playstation 3

I don't know if that will be the case by default... remember a bulk of the original Xbox games where multi platform titles (the same is true of the 360 so far... also many games where released first on the Xbox as "exclusive" and then later on the PS2 (some even having the better designed port on the PS2)). Developers will continue, I think, to hedge there bets and multiplatform there games.

Anyway... the exclusives are what make a system anymore and for me that means following Konami around like the MGS fan I am(I may manage to wait for substance this time around though).

Re:Expect the Playstation to underperform. (1)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366407)

Funny you include the Dreamcast in your comment and forget that the Dreamcast was the first of the last gen of consoles, shipping a year before the Playstation2 and having a nice assortment of games at the PS2's launch. Yet it failed miserably against Sony's advertising.
It's true though that the PS2 was certainly stronger than the DC, spec-wise, while the PS3 is not that much stronger than the X360.

Re:Expect the Playstation to underperform. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366451)

What is it about console stories that gives every random idiot the greenlight to run their mouths off? It's like console stories are turned into contests of who can pack the most idiotic drivel into to one posts like yours...

"The way consoles are sold is quite a clever exercise in capturing the consumer surplus; that is, segmenting your market according to their willingness to pay. You launch at a price that is very high to start with and you capture the relatively small segment of the market that thinks your product is really worth that much. You then slowly lower your price so you hoover up more and more of the people who are willing to part with their cash when the price is more reasonable. Eventually, as you near the end of production, you cut your prices further to get it off the shelves and get the people who want something for nothing."

Gee Einstein, you are really on to something there. You should come up with a name for what you described, say, Supply and Demand?

" It is not the first to market with the new generation of console. This is crucial,"

You are essentially letting anyone who works in the console market with that idiotic claim that you have absolutely nothing of value to add to any discussion.

"Another factor here is BluRay. I'd estimate that 80% of Playstation 2s are hooked up to a small TV in some teenageers bedroom. They're not going to go out and buy a High-Definition set for their Playstation 3. They will get no benefit from the enhanced resolution of BluRay and therefore see no reason to buy it."

Bzzzt!!! Forget your silly 80% figure you pulled from your ass. 1080p set prices are in a freefall. Sony knows this and have known this for a long time now. The PS3 supports 1080p output for the very reason that 1080p sets will be hitting mainstream prices just at the time the PS3 hits the market.

"For this reason, I expect the Playstation to under perform by a long way"

Dream on dimwit. Every single system selling exclusive IP that led 105 million console consumers to go out and buy PS2s is once again exclusive on the PS3. Along with the MASSIVE power advantage the PS3 has over the Wii and 360, betting on Sony selling any less than they did this gen is silly.

Worldwide sales figures will look something like this over the next five years:

PS3: 120-150 million
Wii: 20-35 million
360: 12-18 million

Re:Expect the Playstation to underperform. (1)

bazorg (911295) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366625)

I'd estimate that 80% of Playstation 2s are hooked up to a small TV in some teenageers bedroom. They're not going to go out and buy a High-Definition set

These high definition things you mention are also known as 17" CRT monitors, right?

I'm not kidding you, I really don't know if these things are/can be made compatible with normal computer screens. the fact is 1080 pixels doesn't look like a big number to me and most of the living rooms I know just could not fit a 30 or 40-inch tv screen... that's just too big for anyone with a normal home and a minimal sense of aesthetics.

DVD support (1)

sanosuke001 (640243) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366141)

Why do people keep complaining about the DVD functionality of the PS2? I have been using my launch-day PS2 to watch DVDs since launch. I also don't think that they're launching it as a Blu-Ray player first and console second but having the Blu-Ray functionality for a fraction of the price is definetely a good deal. If you don't want the blu-ray player, don't buy it. They're trying to get a "media center" type system into homes. It'll probably act as a DVR as well... and with the rumors around about it being able to support linux and homebrew stuff, and the upgrade potential for the core system (no HDMI upgrade but meh...) I think you all are a bit critical of Sony. They haven't been doing well marketing it, but it's not a bad setup for the price they're asking... you all are just being stubborn >.>

Re:DVD support (1)

Fred Or Alive (738779) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366296)

Well, in Europe we have a slight problem. The highest quality input on most TVs is RGB SCART. Guess what format the PS2 doesn't support for DVD playback? RGB. You get a green tinted black and white picture. Strangley, no other SCART equipped DVD player has this problem.

(I did hear it's becuase they forgot to put Macrovision or whatever on the RGB output, and it was discovered on early Japanese models. So rather than fix it, they just crippled the console. After all, if you want a good DVD player, Sony do have a wide selection...)

Re:DVD support (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366350)

If you don't want the blu-ray player, don't buy it.

Oh, don't worry, that's what many people have already decided.

As a Blu-Ray player, it's a good deal.

As a game console, it isn't a good deal.

So the question is: How many people care about Blu Ray vs care about having a game console? And if you care about Blu Ray right now and are thus an early adopter with spare cash to blow on something that could go the way of laserdisc, are you going to buy a "good deal" Blu Ray player or a "high end" Blu Ray player? You've already spent several grand on your TV; is it worth it to buy a top-end player to hook up to it, or do you need to make your game console pull double-duty?

The rest of us who don't have an HD TV couldn't care less about Blu Ray. Assuming I ever do care about HD video formats it's going to be after the format war shakes out, whether that means one format wins and the other dies, or multi-format players become ubiquitous (like with DVD writers).

Sony is trying to use the PS3 to win the format war so that people will care about Blu Ray. In the meantime, the only thing positive you can say about the PS3 price is "it's good for a Blu Ray player".

The problem with this is: Sony is trying to create demand for a new format with a product whose price can only be justified if you already have demand for that format.

Not if I don't want a Blu-Ray player (3, Insightful)

Bastian (66383) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366150)

It's only a bargain if I want a Blu-Ray player.

If I what I'm really looking for is a game console, the added cost for the Blu-Ray player sounds more like several hundred dollars down the toilet.

In other news... (5, Funny)

Wampus Aurelius (627669) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366157)

...Jack in the Box has announced that its new burger, the "Jumbo Jack 2" will be priced at $250 and contain a generous portion of "the finest Russian caviar."

Jack in the Box CEO Jack said, "I don't think it's an expensive burger. I think it's actually a cheap burger. If you think that that much caviar itself might be $300-$400, and we're coming in at only $250, it's a bargain."

But...I just wanted a burger.

Re:In other news... (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366212)

Haha, no shit, with the right marketing the brits would buy that at £239, I mean, it is less than in America no lads?

Re:In other news... (1)

LearnToSpell (694184) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366445)

Burger King: Have it your way!

McDonald's: I'm loving it!

Jack in the Box: Maybe you'll have lunch, maybe you'll FUCKING DIE!

The Deal with Blu-Ray (1)

davebo357 (730081) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366170)

I hopped on the HDTV bandwagon early 2001, so I've been waiting over 5 years for someone to give me HD movies at home. Also in that time I've bought two other hdtv's, so you could say I'm the exact technology sucker market that Sony is shooting for, especially since I also got Playstation 1 and 2 pretty soon after release. The reason I'm not buying a Playstation 3 (at least until i start seeing GTA4 screenshots) isn't the high price, its this retarded format war. They couldn't resolve their differences with hd-dvd, and I'll be damned if I'm going to start buying movies that I won't be able to play at anyone else's house in a year. As far as I'm concerned Sony screwed this all up well before E3 and the price announcement. Of course i feel the same way about the Xbox360 :P

Re:The Deal with Blu-Ray (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366264)

"at least until i start seeing GTA4 screenshots"

Why would that persuade you? It comes out on the XBox 360 (a console already $200 cheaper, and I expect a price cut by then) on the same day.

Re:The Deal with Blu-Ray (1)

davebo357 (730081) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366618)

Because I love the dual shock controllers, i even use them on my pc when i re-buy the gta's on pc, at least for driving, on foot i use mouse+keyboard. I have ps2->xbox controller adapters now, and they're terrible. If the ones for the next gen consoles are better then that's always an option, although I really do hate that huge external power adapter. Obviously I'd have to take into consideration what other games were available for either system by that point, but by then I would hope developers would have time to push the limits of the systems, and if in fact PS3's graphics come out ahead, I'd rather just pay for the best looking system with the controllers I like most. Kind of off-topic to this reply but in looking back on my recent console gaming, the most fun seems to be had with DDR and Guitar Hero, both games using gimmick controllers and requiring very little in the way of cpu power. I think Nintendo just might get back on top this time around. "Why would that persuade you? It comes out on the XBox 360 (a console already $200 cheaper, and I expect a price cut by then) on the same day."

Re:The Deal with Blu-Ray (1)

simonjp (970013) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366510)

They couldn't resolve their differences with hd-dvd, and I'll be damned if I'm going to start buying movies that I won't be able to play at anyone else's house in a year.

Dont you know in a year's time once you play them in a drive the discs will get encoded to that machine, meaning you can't play them somewhere else - why would you want to be able to do that? Why would the other location not have its own copy.

geez - this could be the reality of DRM in the future! HA

Seppuku? (2, Funny)

thepropain (851312) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366190)

In my mind's eye, I see a samurai named Sony running a katana through his belly...

Re:Seppuku? (1)

Rydia (556444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366266)

Silly nitpick, but seppuku is performed with the wakizashi.

Back to your regularly scheduled Sony flamewar.

Re:Seppuku? (1)

LearnToSpell (694184) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366471)

When all you have is a katana, everything begins to look like a belly.

Bukkake? (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366281)

I don't know, I see a girl named Sony on her knees with Nintendo and Microsoft standing above her with flies unzipped.

(ok, admittedly I took that straight to the gutter...)

Huh? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366195)

Basically, they're claiming that the PS3 is a good value because it costs less than other Sony products with some of the same features? How does that follow? Maybe the other products are just even more overpriced.

Wouldn't it be great.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366206)

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.

Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete.

This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries listed there.

The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France .

In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.

Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China .
I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades.

We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York.

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.

Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty - starting now.

We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above:
pick a country and move there. They care.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn tootin."

Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America . It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you and we won't forget.

To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to speak Arabic.
God bless America Thank you and good night.

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.

I don't buy the "cheaper then BR player" routine.. (1)

ShyGuy91284 (701108) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366229)

This was a great feature of the PS2. You want to know why? It was launched a couple years (maybe more or less, I'm not really sure) after the DVD standard launched, allowing it to have a relatively cheap drive people would _actually_ buy. I remember about a year before I got a PS2 I got a DVD player because I needed one. The PS2 was $300, and I got the DVD player for around $100. I think it will be a long time until a stand-aloneBlu-Ray player can sell for that price. Maybe in a few years when they can lower the price its sales may skyrocket, but until that day comes, they will probably be beaten to a bloody pulp by Nintendo (as the Slashdot poll indicate). People will probably get a Wii (Or XBox 360 since I expect their price will fall near Wii's price), wait a couple years, and then get a PS3 when they realize they need a Blu-Ray player. Of course if HD-DVD wins, people with a Wii may get a 360 instead if it gets integrated HD-DVD down the road......

Re:I don't buy the "cheaper then BR player" routin (1)

Fred Or Alive (738779) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366349)

AAUI it was more in Japan that the PS2 was a cheap DVD player at launch, so it would be a different market, and slightly earlier in the DVD timeline.

I'd guess they're hoping to repeat some of this worldwide...

Re:I don't buy the "cheaper then BR player" routin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366656)

This is pretty much exactly what I'm thinking. Buy a Wii right when it comes out, then see who wins between HD-DVD and blu-ray before thinking about buying a 2nd console. Also if either the PS3 or XBox360 flops terribly I will have lost nothing.

I'LL BUY (1)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366247)

... only when I'll se the real machine running games!

Wow (0, Offtopic)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366297)

re:"Can a console really be viable at this price?"

Can a dead-horse be flogged any further into the ground Zonk?

Unfair comparison? (1)

Aiku1337 (551438) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366312)

Isn't this an unfair comparison? You can't just take an exchange rate and compare the actual value of something directly. I mean, how much do things actually "cost" over there? A movie ticket here in the US is probably 8 to 11 dollars depending on where you live. If you went over to the UK, exchanged your dollars for pounds, would a movie ticket still cost 8 to 11 dollars or would it be more?

Re:Unfair comparison? (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366609)

Depending on time, where you want to sit, what cinema, and your age, movie tickets range from ~£3.50 to ~£8.00 where I live. Some cinemas in London have tickets priced ~£10 to ~£15; this isn't replicated antwhere else in the UK as far as I know (people in London get even more ripped off than the rest of us).

Expensive (1)

kanzels (975208) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366318)

Those kids should spend $800 way better than just stupid game console. When we were young there were no such consoles and we was happier. Now kids spend extensive amount of time playing games at home. Sad. I have a small son, but I won't let him do the same :)

The UK != The US (5, Insightful)

Lave (958216) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366320)

I have a couple of points to make about how they are marketing it as a cheap way to get a blu-ray player. This worked brilliantly for the PS2 in the UK. In the same way we all told our parents we needed a PC for "homework" when growing up. This won't work for a number of reasons.

1) DVD -> Blu-Ray != VHS -> DVD. VHS were terrible. Crappy quality and wore out fast. DVD players let us use our current equipment to get much better picture quality. It was a one purchase upgrade. And it's only become universal in the last few years (now that a dvd player is £30). With Blue-ray moveis I need a new TV or it's meaningless. And a new TV will never reach £30. most people won't upgrade till our current TV breaks.

2) PAL != NTSC. When I've been in america I have to say - the picture quality is terrible. I can see the desire for HD television there. But in the UK we have very good quality broadcasts. There is less desire for the upgrade.

3) Freeview. This - in my opinion - is the clincher. Our normal terrestial broadcast (channels 1-5) is the primary method of recieving TV. This will be shut off between 2008 and 2010 to replaced with the currently available "freeview" this provides 30-40 free channels for the price of a set top box. There is much annoyance about this - even when set top boxes are only about £30. "Freeview" doesn't have the bandwidth to provide HD content. So knowing that cable channels in the UK have always been niche, there is no way that people will be willing to upgrade from freeview till at least 2010.

To me, this suggest that these consoles are a generation early with HD in the UK. And this should have profound effects. In my opinion of course.

Re:The UK != The US (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366598)

PAL vs NTSC... do you think it's neccesarily the format, or just how the signal is getting to your place, signal strength and all that? The USA is a big place, so we switched to coax cable fairly early, and often the quality is really blah.

I'm just guessing though. I mostly know about PAL vs NTSC from programming for the Atari 2600...I know NTSC is "Never The Same Color", but it had a better framerate...

Does anyone else think... (1)

aminal (122974) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366423)

That this thing will sell at $800 _anyway_. Its the PS3, Playstation has enough fanboi's to sell out the console a couple of times over, no matter what it costs for a Q4 06 launch.

People want these things, and _will_ part with $800 to get one, even just to stick it on ebay straight away - knowing that some daft bugger is going to pay even more for it.

Blu-Ray Player (1)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366431)

A Blu-Ray player is completely worthless until there is content for it to play.

I don't know about the UK... (0)

lbbros (900904) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366642)

...but the PS2 when it came out here in Italy costed L.850,000 - that means around $400. What difference there is with PS3? It's roughly the same price.

still nothing compared to japan's price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15366649)

In japan, the "high-end" console's price will be INFINITY dollars. Yes, and that is no joke. What's more, it will still sell out, as it's the ONLY next gen console that japan cares about. (Wii counts as new gen, not next gen)

Now does sony's crazy pricing make sense? They're counting on japan to carry them to at least moderate success.

Cross-country price comparison (2, Informative)

WedgeTalon (823522) | more than 8 years ago | (#15366684)

Just for fun, here's my cross-country price comparison.

To explain the format a bit, the first column is the country and the native price of the console in that country. The next three columns are THAT price converted to the respective currency. Originating currency price is marked with ='s. Hope this is a clear enough explanation.

All prices are rounded off. Conversion done via: xe.com
PS3 Premium
[Country] [ USD ] [ EUR ] [ GBP ]
[US: 599] [=599=] [ 467 ] [ 317 ]
[Eur:599] [ 768 ] [=599=] [ 406 ]
[UK: 425] [ 803 ] [ 627 ] [=425=]
 
Xbox360 Premium
[Country] [ USD ] [ EUR ] [ GBP ]
[US: 399] [=399=] [ 311 ] [ 211 ]
[Eur:399] [ 512 ] [=399=] [ 271 ]
[UK: 279] [ 527 ] [ 411 ] [=279=]
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