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This is gonna suck. (4, Funny)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407004)

Google, you used to be cool, but ever since you got your own appartment, & had to start paying bills, you've just been kind of a drag.

Re:This is gonna suck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407138)


BBS News IS reporting.
Sheesh.

Re:This is gonna suck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407461)

What's wrong there?

New Singular -> News Plural
Is Singular -> Are Plural

To put in perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407352)

Al Qaida ---> Al Jazeera
Google ---> Slashdot

Re:This is gonna suck. (2, Funny)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407534)

Troll? I thought this was pretty funny.

Not that it really matters to me in any case, since I run Linux or FreeBSD on all of my machines except one (and that box isn't allowed to surf the Net).

(I can't believe I'm about to get downmodded for going to bat for someone who's on my Foes list...)

Old news? (5, Informative)

Saedrael (880381) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407007)

Google desktop came with my Dimension E510 ~three months ago. Is Dell just reporting this now?

yes and no (2, Informative)

Aeron65432 (805385) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407130)

Google's software [foxnews.com] has been coming preloaded with Dell computers for about 3 1/2 months now, but was only a trial period, a "test" if you will. Now it looks like it is an official, permanent policy.

Re:yes and no (1)

Joiseybill (788712) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407488)

Yes: Dell is and has been shipping this for a while now.
            Rumor has it that Dell makes up to $1.75 for each machine shipped with the Google package. InsideGoogle [blognewschannel.com]
      It's been out long enough to develop a De-Crapifier [yorkspace.com]

And of course, Dell's own Technical Support Document FA1094103 - "Where can I find assistance for my Google Toolbar and Google Desktop? [dell.com]

NO: Dell is shipping 'clean' gaming systems
          Slashdot [slashdot.org]

Dell has been offering customers who want to develop their own disk image the ImageBuilder and [dell.com] X-Image programs. [dell.com]
  Anyone using the imaging process, or having another existing contract doesn't get the extra garbage.

This makes it really inconvenient, considering that Dell's Image Restore is kinda neat for tech support. Just have users restart and press a couple keys - 10 minutes later you have OOBE back again. Unfortunately, out-of-box includes all this crap again. I'd still like a disk for when I replace the HDD, but this has potential to save a lot of time.

It looks to me like Dell is padding the machines at the low end with a more pennies of profit.

Re:Old news? (5, Funny)

christopherfinke (608750) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407233)

Didn't you get the memo from Digg? Tech sites are to report all Google-related news, even in situations like these, where this Dell/Google alliance has apparently just gone from beta to stable.

Re:Old news? (3, Funny)

cgenman (325138) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407647)

Tech sites are to report all Google-related news, even in situations like these, where this Dell/Google alliance has apparently just gone from beta to stable.

Anything from Google going out of beta is news.

wait a sec (2, Interesting)

jigjigga (903943) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407008)

Don't tell me everything will be Google(TM) Dell(TM) edition! I guess it is a milestone, but it certainly isn't something to look foreward to. Any what stuff would be bundled? Sounds like Search and maybe Earth will be there, maybe some unanounced projects? I mostly equate bundled dell software to music match jukebox heh, and I dont know of a google music yet...

Re:wait a sec (1)

nickheart (557603) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407402)

Ewwwww!!! I can't wait! I want the google edition dell with a blue g, green l, and that fancy little doo-dad they have for the google desktop for the o. ...and pink pony stikers on the monitor

Re:wait a sec.. No, it might become (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407524)

Dell(TM) Google Edition (TM)

(Iffff Google ever goes into the hardware business...)

They've been doing this for a while. (2, Informative)

k_187 (61692) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407011)

The laptop I bought a month and a half ago came with google desktop & toolbar preinstalled. I suppose this means that they'll be adding things beyond those 2?

Details sketchy? (5, Insightful)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407018)

Damn right they're sketchy. It's annoying enough when a computer comes with extra software, but if it's adware--which is what the Google stuff is no matter how "cool" they are--it's "value reduced". Google's just becoming more and more like every other publicly traded company.

Re:Details sketchy? (1, Offtopic)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407167)

What's the matter, some Google employees get some mod points? Honestly, I've never bitched about a moderation before, but this is bullshit.

Guess I should have known better than to post something that the Google fanbois and libertarianuts would both find offensive, no matter how true. Oh well, here's another one to for you mod down, try offtopic this time, at least that's actually true. I only hope whoever metamods my original post has a lick of sense and those people don't get to mod anymore.

Re:Details sketchy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407359)

Oh noes! A search engine is including ads in it's products! Call the president!

Re:Details sketchy? (5, Insightful)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407396)

Normally I wouldn't reply to an AC, but is this thinking why I was modded down?

It's one thing for a search engine to be ad supported, it's another thing entirely for ad-supported software to be installed on a bought-and-paid-for computer, especially when that ad software runs in the background, indexes your e-mail and other documents you nomally think of as private, and gives Google a way of circumventing people's normal attempts at privacy, like deleting cookies.

This is spyware, no way around it, and it'll only get more invasive.

I like this one.. Rob Enderle again (1)

paulwallen (825524) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407019)

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,125889,0 0.asp [pcworld.com]

Though the news may appear to be a blow to Microsoft, Rob Enderle, analyst with the Enderle Group, said it actually could serve the company well in the near term as it continues to battle antitrust charges in the European Union.

"Initially this works in Microsoft's favor, because they're trying to showcase that there is no lock-in on the desktop," he said. "Right now, a couple of the big [hardware] guys going with Google is a good thing."

This is new? (1)

Honig the Apothecary (515163) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407027)

The last 10 or so PCs (Optiplexes? Optiplexi?) we got from Dell had Google Desktop already installed on them along with the Google Toolbar integrated into IE. They were ordered and received back in the late March early April time frame.

What makes this different?

Re:This is new? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407342)

uhmm, if google also promotes firefox, why didn't it came with firefox + google toolbar instead of ie?

So? (1)

Diordna (815458) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407032)

So they're using Google Toolbar and some other apps. Many other companies have already done this, and Dell just happens to be one of the most prominent. This isn't a "significant step," it's publicity.

Slashvert... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407718)

Don't you know that Slashdot is Google's Public Relations arm?

OMG! Pre-installed = Lack of choice! (2, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407033)

Or so one would think, were one to hang out here long enough. There's noting more entertaining than watching the groupthink have a go at the ol' double standards, though. So... go! Make us proud! Start tap dancing! The folks that say that dumb people are too dumb to alter defaults or install on their own (and thus, by their own stupidity, are having their choice removed from them) are also the first ones to say that Google just needs a "fair" shot at the desktop to completely stomp MS. Hmmm.

Re:OMG! Pre-installed = Lack of choice! (1)

The_Wilschon (782534) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407217)

Are you 100% sure that the groupthink isn't just segmented? Perhaps the people saying "BUNDLED SOFTWARE IS TEH BAD!" are not the same people as those who say "GOGLE COULD STOMP M$ INOT TEH GROUND IF THEY JUST HAD A FARE CHANCE!". I'm not saying that they are different people, but I've never really investigated it myself, nor seen anything from anyone else who has. If it were the case, of course, you wouldn't be having anything to complain about.

Re:OMG! Pre-installed = Lack of choice! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407294)

It's NOT a double standard. The difference with Microsoft software is that there's no choice for users AND dealers. You don't like Dell coming preinstalled with google software? Fine, buy something else. You don't like Dell preinstalling IE? Fine... no wait, you CAN'T do anything about it and neither can Dell or anybody else because it's bolted onto the OS. It's great that other software can have a chance to get preinstalled based on what sellers and buyers want. And that's what Microsoft is trying to prevent by bolting on their stuff. If Vista were to have a Desktop search program built in, why would I want a another program that does the same thing? That's not fair for google desktop. Competitors are getting the shaft from the Windows monopoly just like Netscape was.

Agreed. (1)

moultano (714440) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407743)

The moment google starts leveraging their monopoly on operating systems to promote their other products, everyone should feel free to get on their case.

Re:OMG! Pre-installed = Lack of choice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407607)

It's called a "strawman" argument, when you create a fictitious opponent and then knock him down to claim victory. You present an argument no actual person makes, then you say it doesn't make sense. No wonder; it came from your own mouth.

Here are a few of the actual issues in question:

- When a company in a monopoly position tells its customers they can either comply with its anticompetitive demands or be forcibly marginalized, that company is probably abusing its monopoly.

- Microsoft has abused its monopoly position in the past and present.

- Google is growing toward becoming a monopoly itself, and will probably be tempted to abuse this position.

- Bundled software is often added to hardware or software packages sold by retailers, but it usually has a negative value to the end user. Retailers generally bundle it because they're being paid to do so, thus reducing their own costs. Nobody would pay them to bundle it without being given something in return, and usually this return is either marketing mindshare (when the bundled software is adware), potential upgrade customers (when the bundled software is a crippled/demo version), or surreptitiously gathered marketing information (when the bundled software is spyware).

I won't make a conclusion from those points, because they don't yet point to one. However, they are all issues you seem to dismiss with a wave of your straw wand, while all that trick proves is that you're trying to fool your audience.

So... (2, Interesting)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407047)

By the time these things get to the owner, is there any room left on them for installing real software?

Dell's ridiculous amount of pre-installed crap is taking the concept of bloat to all new levels.

Re:So... (1)

Saedrael (880381) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407113)

Very true. Whenever I order a new PC, I spend more time uninstalling than I do installing.

Re:So... (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407567)

The first thing I did when I got my laptop from dell a couple of years ago?

Full reinstall (dual boot between xp pro and fedora)

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407642)

Yeah. Google desktop and toolbar gobbled up nearly 0.000000001% of my new 250 gig hard drive. Those bastards, they killed kenny!

This just once again proves my point... (4, Funny)

ZiakII (829432) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407069)

This just once again proves my point.... [slashdot.org]

Google Toolbars will form Skynet, all that we know and love are DOOMED!

Who buys from Dell anyway? (1, Insightful)

Mycroft_514 (701676) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407072)

Overpriced and underpowered.

Oh, and so it comes with Google, just one more hunk of junk software to remove after the machine arrives. You want a clean install? Pay for a clean disk and a copy of the OS to install yourself.

Re:Who buys from Dell anyway? (1)

LockeOnLogic (723968) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407117)

Why should I buy another copy of windows if I already bought one through dell? Is it too much to ask to get a plain ol' cd of windows with my pc? Yea, I guess it is, sorry I was just having a flashback to the olden days :(

Re:Who buys from Dell anyway? (3, Interesting)

Firehed (942385) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407437)

Not only that, apparently it's now an extra ten bucks to get the recovery CD shipped with the system (I imagine at least ten gigs of the hard drive is roped off for recovery purposes, since this helps incredibly when the drive dies on you).

Though, in all realisticness, I dare any slashdotter to build a $300 system with monitor and legal copy of XP. A third of your budget is shot on the OS, and even if you figure $400 shipped (and quite often they've got free shipping) you'll be hard pressed to beat that price. I'm not advocating or vouching for them, but you've gotta admit that they own the entire value segment. Of course, if you could buy your hard drives by the millions, feel free to start competing.

Re:Who buys from Dell anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407736)

"realisticness" is not a word, you moron.

Slashdot has been overrun by sub-literates.

Re:Who buys from Dell anyway? (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407783)

You expect perfect posts when I'm running on nothing but caffeine and microwave dinners? That's not sub-literate, that's sub-paying attention and sub-caring. Maybe I actively chose to not use "reality" but couldn't be bothered to find an actual substitute, and decided to use my knowledge of the language to create a word that better expressed my point. Maybe I did that just as trollbait in hopes that people would waste mod points on AC posts.

Re:Who buys from Dell anyway? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407182)

Overpriced and underpowered.

Hey, buddy, are you sure you're in the right discussion? Apple.slashdot.org [slashdot.org] is that-a-way!

Re:Who buys from Dell anyway? (2, Insightful)

ScottCooperDotNet (929575) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407410)

Overpriced and underpowered.

The company I work for does, for one. It is much easier to work with hundreds of systems when you've got only a handful of types in the building, and can get replacement parts for years (warranty or not).

Oh, and so it comes with Google, just one more hunk of junk software to remove after the machine arrives. You want a clean install? Pay for a clean disk and a copy of the OS to install yourself.

Dell is also modifing the Default User's NTuser.dat to add this Google stuff into place. Even if you remove the software the registry settings remain for each account created. It removes one of Dell's advantages in the Corp. World: near-drop-in systems.

What value to consumers is this? (4, Insightful)

Dracos (107777) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407078)

I don't know of any software Google produces that is worth bundling with a new machine. Google Earth? Nope. Picasa? Maybe. Google Desktop? No thanks.

As far as I'm concerned, Google belongs in one of my browser tabs, not on my hard drive.

If Dell and Google want to do a service to consumers, Google would give Dell a pile of money to put Firefox on the desktop.

Re:What value to consumers is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407122)

It's posts like these that make me wish I had mod points. mod parent UP please!

Re:What value to consumers is this? (1)

miro f (944325) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407306)

If Dell and Google want to do a service to consumers, Google would give Dell a pile of money to put Firefox on the desktop.

from what I can tell, they already do (in Europe, anyway)

Re:What value to consumers is this? (3, Insightful)

Tough Love (215404) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407510)

I don't know of any software Google produces that is worth bundling with a new machine. Google Earth? Nope. Picasa? Maybe. Google Desktop? No thanks.

Speak for yourself. Many users want Google Earth, Picasa, Google tool bar, etc. I certainly do, though I don't personally need them on Windows.

Do you work for Microsoft by any chance?

Then you haven't used them enough (4, Interesting)

moultano (714440) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407683)

Windows doesn't come with a photo organizer. Picassa is a great one. Makes sense to me.

You are probably familiar with the earlier versions of Google Desktop which, aside from the search, were basically a fancy distraction, but the features that I have on mine right now enhance my productivity: nice to-do list, scratch pad, google calendar, weather. None of these things are present or nearly as convenient in Windows. The search is also fantastic, and completely obsoletes the default Windows search.

You left out Google Talk. I think including a chat program that uses an open standard, with no ads and a nice interface is a good addition.

I haven't tried to use Google Earth for more than the pretty factor, but I bet someone who has can tell me what they do with it.

Threatened? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407103)

From the article:

"The deal could mark a major turning point for Google and mark a serious threat to rival Microsoft."

The system is still going to come with Windows OS, Windows Media Player, IE, OE, etc. and the only office suite choice will be Microsoft. When Vista ships it will have MS Search built-in. Come on, really.

That sound (5, Funny)

segfault7375 (135849) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407112)

That sound you just heard was the crashing of chairs coming from the direction of Redmond, WA :)

Re:That sound (1)

Saedrael (880381) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407152)

Steve Balmer: I will fucking bury Google! I will fucking bury Dell! I will fucking bury EVERYBODY!

Re:That sound (1)

notaprguy (906128) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407259)

That sound you hear is a little chuckling coming from Redmond. This is Google...the world's leading brand for search (to consumers) and advertising (to their real customes) entering the world of client side software where they don't have their act together. I seriously doubt MSFT is particularly worried about this and, in fact, they may see this as a good thing. This is (as I mentioned above) the beginning of the deterioration of Google's brand. Google Desktop? Intrusive and annoying. Picasa? Mediocre. Google Pack? An embarassment. Google Earth? Interesting but not particularly innovative and slow as all get-out and inferior to comparable products in many ways. Check out http://local.live.com/ [live.com] and you'll see that even MSFT is leap-frogging Google in Web-based mapping.

Re:That sound (1)

wile_e_wonka (934864) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407490)

From another article on the same thing [pcworld.com]:

"Though the news may appear to be a blow to Microsoft, Rob Enderle, analyst with the Enderle Group, said it actually could serve the company well in the near term as it continues to battle antitrust charges in the European Union."

Re:That sound (1)

subsentio (735377) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407561)

That sound you just heard was the crashing of chairs coming from the direction of Redmond, WA :)

Please. The article is kind of misleading. When they say Google "beat" Microsoft and Yahoo, they mean money, not merit. Google is paying Dell in the deal. I don't know how much (an assload from what I hear from people who do know), but way more than Microsoft and Yahoo were willing to pay.

Firefox? (5, Interesting)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407131)

Are they preloading Firefox and make it the default browser? The Google softwar pack included OpenOffice too. Both will be included? That will be interesting.

Re:Firefox? (1)

killjoe (766577) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407616)

What's amazing to me is that Google managed something Sun couln't with Java. Sun was unable to convince even one major hardware manufacturer to pre-load their version of the JVM.

I wonder if that's because Google has more mojo then Sun or that MS is much weaker then they used to be.

Re:Firefox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407645)

Dells and HP seem to come with Sun Java.

Re:Firefox? (2, Insightful)

T-Ranger (10520) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407668)

Dell produces reasonable quality stuff, with technologies and things available elsewhere for years. Nothing flashy, and nothing risky. High volume prices with low volume customisability.

Google is cool with the masses. Dell sells things to the masses. Dell ships Google stuff.

Java was never cool (or even noticeable) to the masses. Dell sells things to the masses. Dell has no reason to ship Java.

Google Ads? (1)

RealGrouchy (943109) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407148)

Although I'm not one to mail-order a computer anyway, I'd hope that whatever Google software they install isn't one that involves advertising revenue.

Both Dell and Google appear to be companies that actually pay attention to customers, so this likely wouldn't be the case...but we'll see.

- RG>

Let me get this straight... (3, Insightful)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407151)

Google cries faul when Microsoft makes MSN the default search engine in IE7, where it's easily changable and Google is right in the selection, but Google gets ties with Dell and other distributers to preinstall all it's stuff on the machines, shoving their search bar everywhere in sight and no so much as a glance? Hypocrites?

Re:Let me get this straight... (5, Insightful)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407678)

Not really. This is kinda paraphrased from something Google's CEOs said when asked the same question on another story that was posted a while back. Basically, they argued this: Microsoft can make MSN the default search engine for IE7 for free. They can make IE the default browser for free. When Firefox moved to having google be the default browser, Google had to fork over a ton of money. When Google gets distributers to preinstall Google software on their machines, they pay a ton of money for it.

The difference is that Microsoft is leveraging it's position as the dominant OS manufacturer to allow it to force its way into different markets for free whereas all of MS's competitors have to pay a lot of money to do the same thing. I'm inclined to agree with Google.

Lenovo is doing this too (4, Funny)

espressojim (224775) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407159)

I had google desktop installed by default on my new Thinkpad t60p.

It was one of the first things I removed.

Without a seatbelt (1)

ruckenheim (977061) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407181)

If I sold expensive PCs and at the same time wanted to get up in the morning and like what I saw in the mirror, I'd never preinstall software with such security issues as IE has.

It's like selling cars with complimentary beer. "You go on now. Here's the beer and here are the keys. Enjoy."

But oh, no windows without IE. Better put a warning label on the desktop, like "the coffee is damn hot... Remember to download the seatbelts." you get the picture.

Uh... Haven't They Already Been? (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407207)

The last few groups of Dell Dimensions we bought all came with Google Desktop and, if I'm not mistaken, the installer for Google Toolbar. Is this news? Did we get rogue machines or something?

Less software, not more (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407223)

I preferred the days when PC manufacturers were neutral to the software that you installed on them. They only pre-installed the basics, or nothing at all. Manufacturers tying in with specific software vendors and pre-installing tons of applications isn't done to improve the user experience: it is to improve their bottom line.

from your point of view only (1)

Man in Spandex (775950) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407819)

So many people on /. are bitching by making Seinfeld-like jokes "What's the deal with pre-installed software? It will be uninstalled anyway uhhuhuhuhu".

Who mostly buys pre-configured computers at a price much higher than a custom-built pc? Average joes. Mr. Average Joe thinks The Internet is the blue icon on his computer and when that icon isn't there, he has no internet :((.

Mr. Average Joe NEEDS the programs shoved in his face because Mr. Average Joe is a lazy fucker who's too lazy to search for programs and wants everything on his finger tips.

Where I'm getting at? people who are not computer savvy are lazy and "scared" to explore their computers and the internet and by doing that they are ignoring the whole list of programs available to them. They probably think Winamp is the only mp3 player. They probably think Windows Media Player and QuickTime are alone in this world with RealPlayer in the corner. They don't know whats media player classic or Firefox. No, people have to tell them what it is or they'll never know what it is.

The beginning of Google's brand erosion (1)

notaprguy (906128) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407235)

The thing Google has going for it is its brand. Google = Search = Good. People like Google search. It works...for the most part. As soon as they started producing stuff like Google Pack they began the inexorable process of screwing their brand. Now people will think...Google = Search = Good - Google = mediocre client software = Google = mediocre. Google Earth is sort of interesting but is slow and behaves in strange ways. Google Pack is just a wierd bundle of stuff with no obvious rhyme nor reason. As someone who is not particularly a Google fan I say - install away on millions of Dell's!

As much as I hate Dell, (1)

melted (227442) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407248)

As much as I hate Dell, I'd like to congratulate Google with this one. Botched abortion that is MSN needs to die.

I'm clearly a troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407271)

Deloogle!

Google "Dell de-crapifier" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407287)

A small, free utility to uninstall all the crap Dell adds to new computers, including the Google crap.

Currently in version 1.3

What's being included? (3, Interesting)

sasha328 (203458) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407312)

Google Pack includes the following pieces of Software:

        Google Earth - 3D Earth browser
        Google Desktop - Desktop companion
        Picasa - Photo organizer
        Google Toolbar for Internet Explorer
        Google Pack Screensaver - Photo screensaver
        Google Talk - Voice and IM application
        Google Video Player - Video player
Additional Software
        Mozilla Firefox with Google Toolbar - Web browser
        Ad-Aware SE Personal - Antispyware utility
        Norton Antivirus 2005 Special Edition - Antivirus utility
        Adobe Reader 7 - PDF reader
        RealPlayer - Media player
        GalleryPlayer HD Images - Images

One wonders what Dell is pre-instaling. Would they install firefox and get on MS' bad side?

Of the whole list, I personally use Picasa (on Windows, my primary app is iPhoto on my G4), Firefox, and Acrobat. Some of the apps, I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole: Norton's, Real Player.

now i'm really interested to see what they're bundling, or are they just including a link to the google pack?

So google is (1)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407314)

basically saying that the intraweb would be useless without them... they might just have a point

Hah.... morons

how much do Google pay Dell? (1)

jt2377 (933506) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407322)

LOL. Google is desperate to keep their search lead. first, Goog whine about IE7's MSN search and now this. It look like Google is yet another Dell's bundled crapware that need to be remove!

And Compaq, too (1)

Rob_Bryerton (606093) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407373)

A customer of mine bought a new Compaq laptop very recently, and the Google toolbar was preinstalled. FWIW.

Bloat? (1)

Rendo (918276) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407381)

Don't people complain enough as is about the bloat from all the garbage on Dell PC's? Not suggesting Google software is trash.... but how many things will come pre-installed before enough is enough?

HP, Compaq, Emachine, Gateway, others (1)

llzackll (68018) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407425)

Google Toolbar has been pre-installed on these machines for over a year.

Probably old news... (1)

Skudd (770222) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407462)

I imagine someone, if not more, has said this already, but I feel the need to share as well:

I recently bought a Inspiron b130 notebook, and it had Google Desktop and Google Toolbar installed, directly out of the box.

Conversation between Gates and Dell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407470)

Bill Gates: "Well, you're going to have to pay full retail for Windows from now on".

Michael Dell: "Um. ah. ah. um. Let me get back with you."

That and the kitchen sink (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15407517)

It's too bad that the google software will be like a glass of water being thrown into a cess pool. It's amazing all of the crap software that Dell/Compaq/HP/IBM install on their boxes. Even when they do throw something in that might have some potential it's not worth taking the time to look for it.

And don't get me started on all of the $#it in memory. Yeah, I really need a little GUI in memory for changing the settings on my audio card. I like to reconfigure every aspect of my system every time I use it. I like to do it with twelve different programs that are resident all the time. I hope that Windows Vista adds some sort of paging to the craplet bar in the lower right of the screen.

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Re:That and the kitchen sink (2, Interesting)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407772)

Agreed. When my parents bought a Dell (I was away at college but still offered to build a cheap rig for them, they went with Dell because of a "free flat panel monitor upgrade" through their Educator's discout [they're teachers]). I went home for a weekend and saw it, formatted it for them (it was slow as... slow) and threw on a clean install of XP (they didn't want Linux) along with all the programs they needed. It actually runs decent now (considering it was a $700 buy with monitor). I don't see why computer companies throw so much slop-ware on computers they sell... wouldn't it make more sense to make a computer FASTER to the consumer by leaving off all the unnecessary software (I work at a university helpdesk, and HP and Compaq seem to be the worst when it comes to this -- the best seem to be the "unknown" manufacturers like Averatec... but I'm guessing that will change when they get big enough and create a "useless software" deptartment).

well..a few things (1)

seventhc (636528) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407518)

I dont really care what Dell does B/C I would never buy a dell...all my machines r home built and i dont normally install windows on it. MY laptop was formatted and fixed with FreeBSD, I basically use windows for work. I love Google and think this is a great step for them and will help a lot of the non educated users out there as to what a real search engine can do, but whatever Dell sells has no real impact on me. Just for kicks, i went to Dells web site and did a search on google...I got 1229 results, the first few were HDD's then some books equaling 26, then 1199 was tech support, and 4 articles. Hmmmm...I would think after this deal they would at least link back to google.

Java (5, Interesting)

3770 (560838) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407545)

I've always wondered why Sun was unable to get Dell and others to pre-install the Java VM. If they could have gotten Dell, HP, Compaq, Acer to pre-install, then everyone would have had to follow. There is no reason to _not_ preinstall Java. It is free and it doesn't use resources unless you use it.

I can think of only one reason, and that is that Microsoft had some compelling reason for _not_ installing Java.

If Sun had managed to do this 5 or 6 years ago the software map might have been looking completely different.

Re:Java (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407570)


>I've always wondered why Sun was unable to get Dell and others to pre-install the Java VM.

I feel the same way about Cygwin.

But in Sun's case, I think they believe they will do just fine on their own.

Re:Java (4, Insightful)

I'm Don Giovanni (598558) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407588)

I think most of the major OEMs are bundling Suns JVM today.
But a few years ago, when Sun was trying to get the govt to force Microsoft to bundle Sun's JVM, Sun had difficulty getting OEMs to bundle it because the OEMs wanted Sun to pay them to bundle it but Sun wanted the OEMs to pay Sun for the right to bundle it.

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Pre-Loaded Software (0)

DavidD_CA (750156) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407791)

I really hate pre-loaded software, which is one of the reasons I recommend to people they purchase the "business class" brand of whatever PC they get... such as the Lattitude Dell Laptops instead of the Inspirons, or the Optiplexes instead of the Dimensions.

The business lines never come with pre-loaded software, aside from the rather-slick Dell wireless LAN utility and other similar hardware driver/utilities.

Not even a desktop shortcut to AOL!

This is funny ... (1)

the bluebrain (443451) | more than 7 years ago | (#15407816)

Google makes 99% of its money from advertising. Google pays Dell to include its toolbar in the default install. So: The 5 or 10% of the web page real estate given over to an adsense ad (see top of this window) is what pays for the 30% added to the menu real estate allowing you to ... well, what exactly?

Google toolbar is intrusive, but in a good way, because you can take it ot leave it, and it's quite frank about "only being able to do its job if it keeps a history of everything you do on the internet". The item with the greatest value that Google owns is your data (selling their technology is limited to pizza-box form, because anything else would be paramount to selling out to their competitors). It's not a question of if, it's a question of when: when is Google going to capitalise on this property? (As for the how - the only option is "to the max").

This isn't good or bad. It just is.

I don't use Google toolbar. But hey, I use Google. I'm in the loop.
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