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PC-BSD 1.1 Screenshot Tour

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the on-the-desktop dept.

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linuxbeta writes to tell us DistroWatch is reporting that PC-BSD has released version 1.1 which updates the core OS to FreeBSD 6.1, adds better driver support to the kernel and improves the overall speed on many systems. OSDir also has a screenshot tour available for general consumption.

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why? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431096)

Wow screenshots, it pretty much all looks the same in the dark.

Re:why? (-1, Offtopic)

Data Link Layer (743774) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431107)

Jesus Fish

Re:why? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431198)

Dead OS booting! We have a dead OS booting here!

Dead OS booting!

(I'm just joking, I know that BSD is a real Unix when compared with that toy-crap known as Linux.)

poo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431103)

poop

PC-BSD rox0rz (5, Informative)

JPriest (547211) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431108)

I have been using PC-BSD for a couple weeks now, I love it. I use pretty standard hardware so I have not had much trouble with driver support.

BSD - Geek Different

Re:PC-BSD rox0rz (2, Funny)

darkchubs (814225) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431346)

hmmm Bubunto?

Re:PC-BSD rox0rz (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431402)

I use pretty standard hardware so I have not had much trouble with driver support

I use ugly standard hardware so will I have much trouble?

Re:PC-BSD rox0rz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431864)

whatta newb that posted these screenshots, i mean we all know now that his root password is 8 asterixes ...

Linux? (-1, Troll)

BigDogCH (760290) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431109)

Linux? What's Linux?

Isn't that something hackers use to put spyware on my computer, then share illegal music with their friends? I hear it funds terrorism!

Re:Linux? (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431137)

Linux? What's Linux?

An OS that's had an official version of Java for a very long period of time, and has a plethora of desktop software unavailable to PC-BSD.

Note that only some of the software out there runs under Linux emulation mode. /me = big fan of BSD on the server, however for the desktop - it's not as usably as the Penguin.

Re:Linux? (2, Insightful)

Umbral Blot (737704) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431317)

If you follow that logic then you should be using windows. "Note that only some of the software out there runs under Windows emulation mode (WINE). /me = big fan of Linux on the server, however for the desktop - it's not as usably as the Weasel."

Re:Linux? (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431407)

> An OS that's had an official version of Java for a very long period of time

you say it like it's a good thing

"No Java here" is something I like to see on the box

Re:Linux? (5, Funny)

Eideewt (603267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431143)

Why can't you troll on topic?

Re:Linux? (0, Offtopic)

BigDogCH (760290) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431226)

Sorry, I wasn't trying to...hehe I didn't even RTF headline. Actually, I had just come out of a dept meeting where we were debating switching a few machines to Linux. I had just been challenged to post an anti-linux link on Slashdot, along with the IP of our crappy windows webserver. My boss said he would kill me. I wanted to scare him. Notice, I didn't put the IP.

Re:Linux? (1)

TheDreadSlashdotterD (966361) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431252)

Then you really didn't do anything then.

Re:Linux? (0, Offtopic)

BigDogCH (760290) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431304)

Well, I think I scared him fairly well. And I demonstrated that I am just crazy enough to not be put in charge of any of the latest projects coming up.

Re:Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431325)

Ahh...so in other words, you're a mentally unstable fucktard who should be out of a job.

How is all of this explaining supposed to be making you look -better- exactly?

Re:Linux? (1)

Eideewt (603267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431544)

Come on... at least he had an excuse for being off-topic.

Screenshots (3, Informative)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431117)

Nice screenshots I suppose, though they don't tell me all that much.

Re:Screenshots (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431179)

Nice screenshots I suppose, though they don't tell me all that much.

They tell you it runs KDE ^_^

Re:Screenshots (3, Insightful)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431187)

It looks like the opening scene from The Sound of Music [imdb.com] .

Re:Screenshots (1)

nickthecook (960608) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432099)

I agree - they don't even tell you what PC-3SD is...

Nice GUI (4, Interesting)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431121)

Some interesting screenshots, although I just skipped over the KDE ones because I've seen KDE before. It's nice to see a smooth graphical installation. Some purists always cry for text prompts, but I like the ease of a GUI. Every time I install gentoo I have to have a second machine running beside me to remind me of the steps to take in installation (I refuse to pay for inkjet cartridges, fill them on my own, or pay for a laserjet printer). Maybe it's me, but I have a horrible memory for that kind of stuff. Kuduos to PC-BSD if their installation is as smooth as it is good looking. If there's a graphical package manager and kernel manager then that's just bonus. I never liked the Linux GTK frontend (I still use make menuconfig after make oldconfig) and most of the portage frontends are too cluttered to be useful.

Re:Nice GUI (-1, Troll)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431227)

Pardon my incomprehension, but what the FUCK was that segue from installation steps on Gentoo into you being a cheapass on printing hardware? Seriously... that sentence makes someone with ADD look logical.

Re:Nice GUI (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431256)

This being slashdot, I knew someone would just say "why don't you print the instructions out."

Re:Nice GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431753)

So it's more cost-effective to have a SECOND COMPUTER than to spend $100 on a laser printer whose toner cartridge will last you a lifetime if all you do is print out installation instructions? Riiiiiiight.

Re:Nice GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431768)

Holy crap. Someone's really itching for a flamewar. Geez.

Re:Nice GUI (1)

MPHellwig (847067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432017)

Depends if you have that second computer available but no access to printers, but I'm sure that AC did all the investigation in all possibilities before posting his comment, on /. everybody does that.

Re:Nice GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431440)

Come on now. There's no need to be rude.

Re:Nice GUI (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431382)

Ease of a GUI ?

pressing enter 10 times or clicking Next 10 times

get real

Yeah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431458)

Great screenshots! I especially like this one:

test$

Which is sooo much better than the usual:

test#

--
Now, where did I put my asbestos suit? :-)

Re:Nice GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431508)

The instructions are usally svailable on the gentoo installation CD. Can't remember the exact location though.

Re:Nice GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431774)

Just knoppix/ubuntu live dvd/live distro of choice to install from
--nothing special about gentoo live cd

Re:Nice GUI (2, Interesting)

manboy9 (891227) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432272)

Did you try Ctrl+Alt+F2? You can have multiple terminals open: one with the installation, the other reading docs with links.

i heard BSD was dying... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431132)

I seem to recall hearing somewhere (here maybe?) that BSD was dying. Can anyone confirm these rumors?

Re:i heard BSD was dying... (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431189)

I seem to recall hearing somewhere (here maybe?) that BSD was dying. Can anyone confirm these rumors?

Yes, Netcraft can.

Re:i heard BSD was dying... (4, Funny)

cnettel (836611) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431225)

Actually, last thing I heard most BSD forks are actually undead by now, ready to become our new free-as-in-not-RMS overlords.

Not yet ready (4, Informative)

jasonmanley (921037) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431150)

I am a huge fan of PC-BSD but I have found it to be very slow. On both my laptop and PC it is slow. To open firefox or openoffice or netbeans takes very long. The updates are huge and everytime I install the startup process hangs on the sendmail initiation and I have to edit a file to make that go away. I believe it has promise but it's not there yet.

Re:Not yet ready (1)

Andrew Tanenbaum (896883) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431310)

> To open firefox or openoffice or netbeans takes very long.

You shouldn't be using this as a metric for the quality of an operating system. Firefox and OpenOffice are the most bloated, shittiest open source programs around, and they're both as slow as molasses on any platform, including Win32 and GNU/Linux.

And NetBeans is Java.

Re:Not yet ready (4, Informative)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431503)

> the startup process hangs on the sendmail initiation

sounds like DNS trouble

Re:Not yet ready (2, Funny)

misleb (129952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431756)

To open firefox or openoffice or netbeans takes very long.

Wait, you mean there are systems on which loading OpenOffice or Netbeans doesn't take a long time? Man, I need to get a new computer. ;-)

-matthew

Re:Not yet ready (1)

aphaenogaster (884935) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431771)

I have noticed this as well, and I just accept it. Although I use solaris it is bsd at heart. Gimp loads ultra fast, firefox takes awhile. Whatever. I prefer a system that runs perfectly, always. If I wanted to see firefox pop up, I would run windows.

Dammit! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431152)

I invested what was left of my trustfund after the MCSE into that funeral parlour for *BSD...how am I ever going to get my money back if that damn thing won't die already?

Great! (-1, Troll)

SirSmiley (845591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431155)

All 3 people running bsd will be thrilled!

Open source projects are also plagued with rah-rah (3, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431160)

PC-BSD has as its goals to be an easy-to-install-and-use desktop operating system, based on FreeBSD. To accomplish this, it currently has a graphical installation, which will enable even UNIX novices to easily install and get it running.

Phew, thank goodness, I was afraid PC-BSD had as its goals to be a hard-to-install-and-use desktop operating system, based on FreeBSD, and that to accomplish this, it would have a morse-code interface installation, which would enable only ham UNIX expects to get it running...

I mean come on, every desktop-oriented OS on the planet does/tries to do that, it's obvious. This sort of content-less marketting talk is usually spewed out by companies like Microsoft, so I'm always a bit disappointed to read it on open-source project pages.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

DigDuality (918867) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431195)

Umm.. not really. Alot of OSS distro's in the early days were not easy at all and the concern for capturing the general desktop market wasn't as popular of an idea as it is now. I mean hell. If all distro's wanted to make it easy to install an OS for the lamen, explain to me Gentoo.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431220)

If all distro's wanted to make it easy to install an OS for the lamen, explain to me Gentoo.

Who says the Gentoo folks don't want to make it easy? whether the final distro turns out to be hard to use is another matter.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431626)

If all distro's wanted to make it easy to install an OS for the lamen, explain to me Gentoo.

Wow, you really put the "lame" in "lamen"(sic).

Gentoo is easy to install. If you just follow the directions, you get there. I know this is easy for me to say, because I have lots of experience, but really anyone who doesn't have the mindset of "this is too hard" will not have problems.

Funny thing is, even ubuntu won't install properly on my laptop. It will not boot if you cross the 512 cylinder boundary, and ubuntu by default creates one big filesystem even though I'm using IDE. Thus, grub is installed past cyl 512, and the system will not boot. Ubuntu doesn't tell you about this. Gentoo does, right in the install instructions, which is what takes the place of an installer. Ubuntu: 0. Gentoo: 1.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (2)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431218)

I mean come on, every desktop-oriented OS on the planet does/tries to do that, it's obvious. This sort of content-less marketting talk is usually spewed out by companies like Microsoft, so I'm always a bit disappointed to read it on open-source project pages.

Arguably, the difference is that FreeBSD is focused on just creating a good OS, while PC-BSD is designed to be a Desktop-oriented version of FreeBSD. It's a bit like the Darwin/OS X relationship. Darwin is the kernel, and is a complete operating system. OS X is Darwin bundled with various GUI frameworks out of the box.

Microsoft could do the same sort of division with Windows NT, but they've pretty much made it clear that they don't release OS cores. (Which is too bad, considering that I'd much rather use a command line to work with NT Servers.) :-/

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

corrosive_nf (744601) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431429)

except that longhorn server WILL ship as a core server. Its been released for testing already and is pretty snazzy. It has no windows gui just command.com

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431640)

That's a great first step, I'll sneak a peek at it sometime. I'm interested in seeing what msh and a headless LH server provides. The last sticking points are getting rid of drive lettering by default (ie. not using drive map hack), getting rid of "The Registry" (tm), getting rid of hardware fingerprinting, and (cherry on top) tossing in a bundled command line based compiler (anti-trust blah blah). I think what I'm most curious about modifying the registry via a command line, seems like that would be the most un-fun. Could be done using a filesystem like sub-shell though since it's pretty much tree based.

dhdjghfgh (4, Insightful)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431219)

It's not completely meaningless. The first question that comes to mind when you hear about a new BSD distro is "what makes it different from the other BSDs?" and it answers that question -- it's like FreeBSD, but easier to install and get working on the desktop. Sure, FreeBSD also aims to be easy to install and useful as a desktop system, but it's not their main priority.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (2, Insightful)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431334)

While I'm not sure of any operating systems that require a morse code interface to run, I do know that some distributions don't try to go for user friendlyness and try to go for some other goals (such as performance). While yes, this is marketing drivel, it's not completely empty that they're going for an "easy-to-install-and-use desktop operating system".

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (5, Funny)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431397)

> every desktop-oriented OS on the planet does/tries to do that

spoken like a man that's never installed OpenBSD

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

John Nowak (872479) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431510)

As someone who has installed OpenBSD on both x86 and PPC systems (which involves a slightly different process), I must say that I'm not sure where this comes from. I installed it on x86 without a manual in 10 minutes, and on PPC in around 20 (10 minutes being confusing related to disk labeling, as I was just used to the tools used on x86). It's really not bad at all. Much easier than Gentoo, and not much harder than a modern-day Debian. It is actually even easier then Debian because if something goes wrong and you want to go back a step, the installer doesn't freak out.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431558)

Debian is not known for being easy to install either.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

John Nowak (872479) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431607)

Perhaps in the past, but nowadays it is essentially the same as Ubuntu.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

jrockway (229604) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432351)

> Debian is not known for being easy to install either.

User error. On my machine, it was press enter 3 times, partition the disk, press enter 4 times, reboot, set timezone, setup user account, apt-get upgrade, done. Much easier than Windows, which insists on asking dumb questions five minutes apart (so you can't just walk away), and doesn't let you create a password for your user! (You also can't have the same username as the machine's hostname. WTF?)

Anyway, Debian has the best installer out of any Linux I've used, and you can pry it out of my cold dead hands. For the record, Ubuntu's installer is using Debian's system -- although they may have written the partitioning wizard screen, which is quite nice.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431609)

I haven't installed openbsd for a while (2.6 or so) but I've found gentoo easier to install. Faster? No. Easier? Sure. It's very easy and straightforward and even better, since there is no installer, if you want to go back and change something, you just go back and do it again, and then do all the steps after it if necessary. Also, last time I installed openbsd, I rebuilt it from source...

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

John Nowak (872479) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431726)

You can install OpenBSD by hand just like you do for Gentoo if that's your style. The easiest way is to use a boot CD and just run the installer... All you have to do is partition the disk. You can even just make one big root partition and it'll all go fine. If you do make separate partitions for /var, /tmp, etc, the installer will automatically recognize them and create a fstab with the appropriate flags for each partition for maximum security. If you can get past fdisk-style partitioning, it really is very easy.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

BigFootApe (264256) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431784)

The OpenBSD installer, for the most part, is tolerable.

Partitioning, though... *shudder*

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431443)

It works for them.

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (1)

tji (74570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431448)

Whether it's a goal for all distro's is arguable. Whether they succeed, and actually create an easy to install and use system is not. Check out OpenBSD or Gentoo Linux for proof of this.

Also, corporate-like marketing could really benefit many open source projects. I don't know how many times I've found an open source project, and the main project page thoroughly describes the bugs fixed between versions 0.1.1.3 and 0.1.1.4, but has no high level description about what the package does in the first place.

The developers are so concerned about the details they're dealing with, they don't step back and think about what a new user should know (like a corporate marketing team would).

Re:Open source projects are also plagued with rah- (0, Offtopic)

jrockway (229604) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432363)

Fuck new users. Let them use corporate-crippled software. Most free software I use (and write) has excellent documentation. Although it's not "let's hold your hand and treat you like a dumbshit", it's "here are all the details, read them, think about them, then read them again. after that, try some stuff and see what works". Personally, I wouldn't give up the second one for anything.

(Oh, but thinking is TOO HARD. Fuck you, that's too bad.)

PC BSD? (0)

taskforce (866056) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431197)

So what is so Politically Correct about this new BSD? Did they remove the Advertising Clause from the liscence or something?

Re:PC BSD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431537)

The advertising clause has been gone for more than six years now. Find something new to troll about.

I love PC-BSD (2, Interesting)

adolfojp (730818) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431222)

I love PC-BSD's Mac like software installer. If it had better Gnome support I would switch in a heartbeat.

now my PC is dying (-1, Troll)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431233)

I installed it on my PC. Now the doctor tells me that it is dying.

Re:now my PC is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431433)

Mods... that is supposed to be a joke, a formula one too. You know, a BSD is dying one... So either mod it funny or offtopic, but it is definitely not meant to be a troll.

DesktopBSD (2, Insightful)

Distinguished Hero (618385) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431331)

I prefer DesktopBSD [desktopbsd.net] to PC-BSD as DesktopBSD uses ports, whereas PC-BSD seems rather fond of these PBI [pbidir.com] things, which seem to emulate the worst Windows has to offer (a solution such as this [sourceforge.net] would have been a bit more bearable if they wanted to get away from the orthodox package management system.) That being said, I do with DesktopBSD would move on to FreeBSD 6 instead of 5.5.

Re:DesktopBSD (1)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431481)

I know very little in this area; but what does BSD do that linux doesn't? how does it differ? is security better?

it's always been a bit of a mystery to me

Re:DesktopBSD (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431829)

The primary advantage of Linux is that it has a cooler name than BSD.

Seriously, when it comes right down to it, you end up running all the same software anyway (xfree86/Xorg, KDE, Firefox, etc), so it doesn't really much on the desktop. Depends on what type of package management you prefer. Like ports? Use BSD. Like RPMs? Use RedHat/CentOS/etc. Like apt-get et al? Try Debian or Ubuntu. Also, consider hardware support. You may not have much of a choice if one OS supports your hardware and the the other doesn't.

-matthew

Re:DesktopBSD (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431961)

The primary advantage of Linux is that it has a cooler name than BSD.

Really?

$_ = "BSD";
s/B/L/;

Re:DesktopBSD (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432107)

$_ = "Linux";
s/Linux/Mescaline/;

Not only does Linux have a cooler name, but it is also much more clever about hiding its true nature.

-matthew

Re:DesktopBSD (2, Informative)

jonathansizz (942588) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431542)

You can use ports just as easily on PC-BSD as you can on DesktopBSD. PBI's are an extra option.

Re:DesktopBSD (1)

BlueStrat (756137) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431822)

I prefer DesktopBSD to PC-BSD as DesktopBSD uses ports, whereas PC-BSD seems rather fond of these PBI things, which seem to emulate the worst Windows has to offer (a solution such as this would have been a bit more bearable if they wanted to get away from the orthodox package management system.) That being said, I do with DesktopBSD would move on to FreeBSD 6 instead of 5.5.

As another poster pointed out farther down this thread, PC-BSD can also use the FreeBSD ports system, as well as the PC-BSD ".PBI" click-to-install software packages. I tried DesktopBSD, and found it to be quite solid.

That being said, I chose PC-BSD because of it being based on FreeBSD 6.0 for PC-BSD 1.0 and FreeBSD 6.1 for PC-BSD 1.1. I *DO* wish PC-BSD would get KDEs' Kpackage to work with the FreeBSD ports system (besides simply listing installed ports), something that DesktopBSD has done a good job of having work "out of the box".

Cheers!

Strat

FUCK THE JEWS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431336)

FUCK THE JEWS

Why can't they just stay in their own country? instead of attacking ours!

FIND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT 911 AT HTTP://WWW.JEWSDIDWTC.COM [jewsdidwtc.com]

Re:FUCK THE JEWS (-1, Offtopic)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431463)

> Why can't they just stay in their own country? instead of attacking ours!

Because they don't have one

Re:FUCK THE JEWS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431633)

You ever heard of Israel, you fucking retard?

Re:FUCK THE JEWS (-1, Offtopic)

IHSW (960644) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431658)

What is Isreal? [wikipedia.org]

KDE over *nix? (1)

mrraven (129238) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431375)

Do we really need another KDE over nix variant? How about something gasp, new?
Or at least barring something new, a unifed KDE or Gnome over *nix pre installed and configured on a desktop pc so the folks at home can use it? Isn't yet another variant just dispersing our energies? Yes freedom is supper cool, but letting M$ and Apple win due a lack of discpline or fresh ideas is not...

Maybe there's something I'm missing about this project but at the very least it wasn't immediatly obvious from looking at screenshots.

Bluecurve (1)

runlevel 5 (977409) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431415)

Redhat tried that [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Bluecurve (1)

mrraven (129238) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432281)

That's not quite what I meant, I meant something more like those Lindows machines they tried to sell at Walmart. How about putting say 500 million into making either Gnome or KDE into a usable nice looking desktop and selling it pre installed on a p.c. for 50 bucks less than even the cheapest Dell? I think the biggest stumbling block to the adoption of desktop Linux is sound, and wireless problems, and the hastle of installation.

Re:KDE over *nix? (3, Interesting)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431653)

The BSD community is just following in the Linux footsteps on this one. I've said this before, and I'll say it again... DesktopBSD and PC-BSD are distros, nothing more.

I've been working on a new BSD variant called MidnightBSD based on FreeBSD 6 but its a real fork. The idea is to add a graphical environment that is not KDE or gnome. I did seriously consider gnome, but their lack of interest in supporting non linux systems scared me off. I've read about the crap that the freebsd gnome project has put up with. Plus I figured it would just end up being another linuxish ripoff.

The real problem with developing something new is that so many people are almost religious about their window managers and if they like full fledged desktop environments. Another problem is development. In order to have a unique system you must write a gui toolkit yourself or use a more obscure one. If I were to write a window manager in gtk for instance, I'd get flack for duplicating effort when sawfish, xfce and metacity exists. The other issue is licensing. These new bsd distros have used GPL because its easier fot them. There aren't many bsd licensed toolkits to build from or even LGPL that are worth anything. I don't care if part of the system is under gpl, but I think die hard bsd fans will. In the end, I decided that I'll be targeting a very specific audience as its a BSD with a freakish gui.

I decided to use GNUstep with WindowMaker to start the project and then see where it takes me. I definetely want to replace the window manager with something that is more usable though. Usability is something few of us open source developers care about. I did the mom test though and she actually could use window maker better than KDE. She said there was less "clutter". She's a windows user.

I'm hoping to get some help developing a new window manager and applications on top of gnustep. From a licensing perspective its weird, but its also a bit like NEXTSTEP which can't be bad.

I'm keeping freebsd ports though. I'll have to write a gui frontend for them and start my own ports collection long term.

Re:Everyone is a critic (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431742)

Top of my list of pet peeves is criticisms just like this.

Todays alternatives:
http://www.gnustep.org/ [gnustep.org] different desktop
http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/ [enlightenment.org] (another different desktop)
http://cm.bell-labs.com/plan9/ [bell-labs.com]

How about putting some time and effort into ONE new and different thing, then let's talk about new and different okay?

Re:Everyone is a critic (1)

Distinguished Hero (618385) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432045)

I wouldn't consider Enlightenment DR17 one of "today's alternatives" as it is still in pre-alpha (or somewhere around there); I'd stick with DR16.8. You're also missing a few other alternatives:
XFCE
ROX Desktop
Equinox Desktop
XPde
Ion
Ratpoison
IceWM
FVWM
Waimea
PekWM
wmii
Fluxbox
Blackbox
Openbox
Matchbox


P.S. Out of curiosity, how many people use Plan 9 nowadays?

Re:Everyone is a critic (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432267)

What's the matter with WindowMaker, other than the fact that the lead developer is now too busy with his day job to maintain it?

(This is a serious question - I happen to use it, but it's a bit frustrating since nobody seems to be writing or maintaining many dock apps for it anymore. Is there something actually *wrong* with it that I'm not aware of?)

Back on topic - PC-BSD has been very nice for someone like me who had no prior experience with *BSD but would like to have a working system to play with and maybe even get something useful done with whilst learning more about it. Haven't had a chance to use 1.1 yet (or even 1.0) but I'm running 0.8 on a spare machine, it seems pretty cool, and I'll definitely be taking 1.1 for a spin sometime soon.

Re:KDE over *nix? (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432269)

Do we really need another KDE over nix variant? How about something gasp, new?
Or at least barring something new, a unifed KDE or Gnome over *nix pre installed and configured on a desktop pc so the folks at home can use it? Isn't yet another variant just dispersing our energies? Yes freedom is supper cool, but letting M$ and Apple win due a lack of discpline or fresh ideas is not...


Good, idea. You get working on that. Meanwhile, other developers are going to do what they like to do. This isn't a war, ya know. Nobody is "letting MS and Apple win."

Maybe there's something I'm missing about this project but at the very least it wasn't immediatly obvious from looking at screenshots.

Indeed, it isn't particularly revolutionary. Just KDE running on yet another *nix variant.

-matthew

Re:KDE over *nix? (1)

donweel (304991) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432291)

I have been using Osx the last few months so I lost interest in the nix on x86 for a while. A few weeks ago I decided to try some of the latest distros. I decided to avoid the rpm based ones. I also wanted to use system commander to boot select. Ubuntu was #1 at the time. It would not install automatically to my 3rd hard drive and the wireless usb didn't work and the boot loader wouldn't work with system commander. I tried PC-BSD and it installed automatically with minimal input from me. The wireless usb worked but it did time out once in a while. Xandros also installed and worked by itself and the wireless usb worked with the windows driver and ndis. I tried some others too but in a nutshell it's the installer that makes it different. PC-BSD and Xandros work with no muss no fuss and is compatible with system commander. I would say the thing that makes a disto shine is the installer and the package handler.

Nothing pertinent (1)

GoatVomit (885506) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431391)

Maybe they can loan Theo from openbsd to be their PR person.

Looks good (1)

seventhc (636528) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431480)

I think this looks like a good system, but since I am a big fan of Gnome, I will stay with FreeBSD for now. I do however know KDE has a lot of fans, and this is probably perfect for them. To each his/her own :)

I don't like the new slashdot design (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431547)

I think the new slashdot design doesn't look good.

Language Selection Screen (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431619)

This is nitpicky, but...
The language selection screen uses an image
of a malformed American flag over a German flag?

Seems a globe or something would make more sense.
Or at least use a cool looking flag like Brazil or Nepal.

Re:Language Selection Screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15431854)

Perhaps the developers are tactfully communicating a belief that more Americans can recognize the flag than locate the country on a map =)

I'm surprised no one posted the obligatory cliche (2, Funny)

kimvette (919543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15431755)

"Yeah, but does it run Linux?"

(Someone HAS to post it. This comment is obligatory in this kind of thread)

i have to know (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15432217)

does it run Linux

KDE... (1)

daybot (911557) | more than 8 years ago | (#15432397)

OMG screenshots of KDE! No ponies :( :(
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