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Miyamoto Concerned About Gamer Image Stereotype

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the gamer-pride-man dept.

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kukyfrope writes "In a recent interview with MTV News, Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto voiced his concern for the stereotypical image of gamers as kids alone in a dark room. He says that Nintendo wishes to change that image with the Wii, a sentiment made obvious by the wide array of people shown playing Wii in Nintendo's recent promotional videos." From the article: "I think it's time to break free from that stereotypical definition of what a gamer is, because until we do, we'll never truly be part of the national or worldwide culture."

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Worldwide? (4, Insightful)

SkankinMonkey (528381) | more than 7 years ago | (#15435955)

This doesn't seem to be a big problem in Western countries as much as it is in Japan. In America I play games with my friends all the time and we're hardly 'the bottom of the barrel' but here in Japan I've yet to hear something good about people that play games, though huge amounts of people do it, just in secret. But it could also be the way Japanese society works, namely it's a very casted and stereotype producing system.

Re:Worldwide? (1)

42Penguins (861511) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436012)

"But it could also be the way Japanese society works, namely it's a very casted and stereotype producing system."
Ever visited the USA? We've got plenty of those too, albeit perhaps more "unofficially."
The further along a society is economically or socially, the more likely it is to have such disparities.
Incidentally, Japan is often considered a "Western" country, as far as economic advancement goes. I guess it depends on whether you mean western by geography, or by material wealth.

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436116)

Incidentally, Japan is often considered a "Western" country, as far as economic advancement goes. I guess it depends on whether you mean western by geography, or by material wealth
Japan is a "first world" country, but calling it a "Western" country is just weird.

Re:Worldwide? (1, Interesting)

Dis*abstraction (967890) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436162)

As a first-generation Japanese American, I've never understood why people like you fetishize [wikipedia.org] my country of origin in such an uncritical, irrational manner. Is it because you want to steal our women? By all means, help yourself--but be warned that Fecal Japan is no myth at all. Is it because you imagine yourselves being able to "fit in" better in Japan? Let me assure you that this is nothing but delusion, an artifact of your Western upbringing perhaps. But unless you share with the Japanese a slavish, unquestioning intolerance, isolationism, sexism, homophobia, and a general social conservatism that makes Hitler look progressive--oh, and by the way, Japanese-looking features and male genitalia--don't expect to find over there the acceptance you lack here.

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436289)

Unless there's a -1 post I'm not being shown, your post makes no sense as a response to the post you chose.

I mean, all the grandparent was saying was "hey, the US isn't all roses either". His only direct reference to Japan was the "Western" one. I'd hardly call that fetishisation.

(Oh, and what the hell is Fecal Japan?)

Re:Worldwide? (2, Informative)

Psmylie (169236) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436727)

"Is it because you want to steal our women?"

Steal? No. Borrow? Yes, please.

What you have to understand is that your typical "Western Otaku" (heh) has no real idea of what Japan is like, has never visited the country, and likely never will. I mean, if you base your entire opinion of a country on a very small set of media exported from it, you're going to have a skewed vision of the society. Watching the entire run of Urutsei Yatsura twenty times through is not going to make anyone an expert in Japanese culture.

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436843)

Wow, racist much?

(Oh, and by the way, I mean anti-Japanese racism, Mr. Banana.)

I've known plenty of coconuts myself, so who's irrationally fetishizing a culture? (I'll give you a hint, its the Japanese guy who thinks white America is the be all and end all of world culture.)

So, do you think Michelle Malkin had the right idea about internment camps?

Hmm... gives new meaning to the phrase "Going Bananas in an Internet post."

Provided you aren't actually Steve Sailer or another "aryan" Troll. If so, good troll.

Re:Worldwide? (2, Informative)

Dis*abstraction (967890) | more than 7 years ago | (#15437024)

I'm pointing out that the social center of Japanese culture is highly racist, sexist, intolerant, and conservative in comparison to Western norms (even the United States). That's dandy if you're comfortable with that sort of interpersonal alienation, as you would be if you'd grown up in Japan, but if you're a Westerner traveling to Japan because it's "cool," you'd probably better be informed that you're chasing a fantasy that doesn't exist.

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15437521)

I'm pointing out that the social center of Japanese culture is highly racist, sexist, intolerant, and conservative in comparison to Western norms (even the United States).
What nonsense! While the United States has enclaves of cultural enlightenment, much of it is full of knuckle-dragging Deliverance-esque Troglodites who want to ban things like birth control. Tell me, is there a serious cultural movement to ban birth control in Japan? (I'm going to laugh at you if you say there is.) Any gay people crucified on fences over there? No? Well, how can that be if it is so much more unenlightened than the United States, bananaman?

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15438093)

You haven't traveled much outside of the US, have you?

Re:Worldwide? (2, Interesting)

randyest (589159) | more than 7 years ago | (#15438328)

Hi. Sorry to help him burst your fantasy bubble there pal, but you are so ignorant and you picked such bad examples that, well, I couldn't resist:

Tell me, is there a serious cultural movement to ban birth control in Japan? (I'm going to laugh at you if you say there is.)

If by "birth control" you mean "the pill" (and not, say, abortion) then you might be surprised to learn that it was not available in Japan until 1999 [princeton.edu] .

Any gay people crucified on fences over there? No?

Homosexuals in Japan may not adopt or marry [japan-guide.com] . While a fantastically unrealistic concept of homosexuality [murdoch.edu.au] is tolerated in Japan, sometimes even esteemed, real homosexuality is almost always kept very discreet and is considered shameful by most. The disparity in "acceptance" of homosexuality between the rural and urban areas is even more stark than your colorfolly-worded description of the same issue in the US.

Any other ignorant fantasies about Japan you'd like shattered?

(I enjoyed that more than I should have, sure, but slapping morons is so fun.)

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15440907)

Racial fetishists tend to be opportunist scum (male or female), even the ones that are not conscious of their fetishism. I overheard a conversation between two white women this past Sunday, where one of them talked about taking home the only Asian guy at an Irish pub the previous night by appealing to his race (the line I heard was, "don't leave, you're the only Asian guy here and you'll leave me without any options for the night"). The woman didn't think anything weird about it, and the other woman was laughing and clearly approved of the "trick." The woman was attractive, but the guy was otherwise clearly a sucker.

I have personally heard first-hand the same kinds of stories about white guys chasing Asian girls and vice versa, Asian guys chasing white girls and vice versa, and black men chasing white women and vice versa. It's disgusting to me both that people can target potential partners by exclusively by race, and that recipients of such attention can fall for it. If someone who was a different race than me approached me and told me they liked my race and wanted to go out with me because of it, I'd be completely offended. Even if the language wasn't so obtuse, or the sentiment was unspoken but obvious, I'd still be pissed off.

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436055)

Don't the Japanese usually look badly upon anyone outside of their 'in group'? Particually the people whom they deem 'below them'? Gamers see gamers are good people having a good time, but everyone else in Japan probably views them as a lower 'out group' and thus doesn't give them much respect if any acknowledgement at all. In a hop-skip-and-a-jump cause-and-effect, you could end up with people playing until they die like in South Korea because there's so much pressure and stigma upon gamers. But, hey, whatever. Everyone come over and play with my Wii! I have enough wands and nunchucks for everyone to get some play!

(Disclaimer: I'm a huge Nintendo fan boy and I'll be getting a Wii as soon they're available)

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15437035)

Don't the Japanese usually look badly upon anyone outside of their 'in group'?
Wow, how alien! That's like 100% different than the way Americans view people outside of their 'in group.' Especially American teenagers, who I think are among the most tolerant and open minded people on Earth.

Re:Worldwide? (2, Insightful)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436146)

If anything, I think this definitely is still a problem in the US particularly with females. There are increasing numbers of women who play games but I think the stereotype and the most marketed to group is definitely males by far. If the Wii can garner a female market, particularly teenage girls, then it will definitely be breaking barriers. While blogging and ipods have brought more women to the "geek" hobbies more than ever, I still think that until teenage girls adapt to gaming in large numbers, it'll still have a stigmatism attached to it. The Wii is definitely a step in the right direction, especially the image, but I don't think we'll conquer this in one fell swoop. It's going to take several generations of consoles to get there.

Re:Worldwide? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436287)

Well, I don't think that it will really take multiple generations to attract a new market like teenage girls; all it really takes is a couple of killer apps.

Personally, I think Nintendo is the company to break through the barriers because I have seen it in action in my life. Every girlfriend I have ever had started out not playing videogames and eventually bought one (or more) Nintendo gaming systems for themselves; if I was more popular with the ladies I could single handedly give Nintendo market dominance.

Basically, how it works out is I end up showing them Mario Kart / Mario Tennis / Mario party for the Cube/N64 and they bought the system to play these games on; Animal Crossing and Nintendogs are also very popular titles.

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436648)

I have a little trouble here.

On the one hand, I want gaming to be a successful industry and to cater to me with many and inexpensive products that I like.

On the other hand, I am not a teenage girl. Things that I am led to believe are typically entertaining to teenage girls are obnoxious to me. Perhaps this is the fault of the USA social system pressuring teenage girls to be obnoxious, and a successful effort to 'break barriers' would be deep, and thoughtful. But Brittany Spears / whatever analogous boy band, talking on the telephone, shopping, ponies, and the like - I don't want games about these things. This is what marketing to girls has frequently been about.

As a 31 year old male with a limited budget I hope that the Wii turns out to be a cool, inexpensive system. But if they spend too much time making games about unicorns I'm not going to be interested in their product.

Re:Worldwide? (1)

KeiichiMorisato (945464) | more than 7 years ago | (#15437799)

It might not take generations (of consoles that is...), but a few good applications for the Wii and the current DS. Nintendo is already doing something right. I was in a movie theatre to other day, waiting for the show to start, and next to me were four girls giggling with glee as they were playing with a multiplayer game together wirelessly with 4 DSes.

This incident, plus seeing a mother and her daughter playing a game together wirelessly on 2 DSes, just reconfirms my affirmation that Nintendo is heading in the right direction.

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436290)

In the U.S., FPS/GTA-inspired crimes cause fairly big headlines, but everyone except politicians ignores the links to gaming. People say, "oh, but he was just a child," or "oh, but his family situation was really screwed up." In many cases, a criminal's life and hobby's is considered non-important data by the media, unless it's a hot-button issue among politicians, like excesively violent games being made available to minors.

In Japan, similarly-linked crimes (by people with provable "vices" like gaming and/or excessive manga readership) cause huge headlines, and nobody ignores the links. Everyone says, "he was an anime freak," or "he was playing that American game." * A criminal's life is considered a central focal point to the news story about the crime.

Basically, whereas periodic anti-gaming backlashes in the U.S. are political, in Japan they are mostly socially-driven thanks to the media. I don't intend to make a judgment on either social environment, I just want to point out a few of the key differences.

* A Japanese GTA player committed a murder last year.

Re:Worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436651)

I've seen Japanese people playing DS on the Tokyo trains, and the arcades were often packed. Maybe all those people were outcasts... but hey, no one was spitting at them! Can't be that bad.

Casual traincommuter gamers (1)

Brunellus (875635) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436862)

...and if I remember correctly, it was precisely this market the DS was intended to capture. Score one for our cartoony overlords.

Culture shock throws patterns into stark relief (2, Insightful)

Brunellus (875635) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436801)

With respect: you've passed through the looking-glass.

At home, in uhMURRkuh, you are so thoroughly immersed in your culture and sub-culture that you're not aware of it. You might as well ask whether a fish notices water.

Abroad, in Japan, or elsewhere, you have to deal with a new culture, and how you "slot in" to that new culture. While I accept (and know from my own cultural/linguistic experiences) that many things *are* in fact different in each culture, I have noticed that the very strangeness of a new culture totally changes your relationship/perception with even those parts that are most analogous to your "home" experience.

In your case, you're seeing a great deal of negativity in Japan against people who play videogames, even though you know that millions of people must be playing videogames. Hadn't it occurred to you that precisely the same negativity exists in your home culture? It probably has, at some level, but since you're so comfortably ensconced in your sub-cultural niche, you never gave it much thought. It has taken a cultural dislocation to make you see there are other ways of thinking about games and gaming.

This, folks, is why people *should* travel. Experiencing other cultures doesn't just mean drinking their liquor--although that's part of it, as well.

Korea? (4, Funny)

Ekarderif (941116) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436010)

Gamers in Korea are worshipped as Gods. Why can't all countries be like that? :(

Re:Korea? (2, Funny)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436312)

Because in Comunist North America only old people play video games.

sorry, it had to be said

Re:Korea? (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436549)

Because they nearly kill themselves (and regularly do) playing 72-hour long StarCraft marathons.

Re:Korea? (2, Funny)

Kesch (943326) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436581)

They gave their lives for Aiur; it's a simple as that.

There have also been rumors of mass chanting involving the words "Power Overwhelming"

I was glad to be of assistance.

Adun Toridas!

Re:Korea? (2, Funny)

chlo310 (963196) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436689)

"Korean gamers are are worshipped as Gods, by hardcore gamers"

Here, fixed it for you...

Re:Korea? (1)

randyest (589159) | more than 7 years ago | (#15438363)

Unless that's supposed to be a book title you didn't fix anything. Removing the comma will fix it.

The full interview is available (5, Informative)

kmhebert (586931) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436019)

Rather than read an article about an article why not just go directly here [mtv.com] ? It's a very informative interview, I really look forward to Super Mario Galaxy and how the Wii controller will work in that type of game.

That's why... (2, Interesting)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436021)

That's why I love my Gamecube. I love all the four-player games available on it. I can not stress how much fun I've had on a weekend with my friends playing SSBM, passing the controller around, and just generally having a good time.

I will be purchasing a Wii, and the extra controllers, and will be taking it to a friend's house rather immediately.

Re:That's why... (1)

edzillion (842353) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436069)

Yeah Ive always found that Nintendo excells at the 'party game' genre in which a group of people can play together and enjoy. Thats why I only buy Nintendo consoles, if I am solo gaming I just play on my PC.

My philosophy: There is no better control sys than a mouse and keyboard

Not so dark... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436046)

Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto voiced his concern for the stereotypical image of gamers as kids alone in a dark room. He says that Nintendo wishes to change that image with the Wii ... by giving it a high powered LED that will light up their parent's basement.

Console Vs Pc (2, Interesting)

meh13579 (975202) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436052)

This doesn't seem to be as much of a problem with console gamers as it is with gamers on PCs. It's much easier to imagine someone playing in a group of friends on a console than it is on a computer.

Re:Console Vs Pc (1)

malraid (592373) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436486)

Well, I remember seeing four of my friends (nicknamed the Teletubbies by the way) playing pokemon in an emulator that allowed up to four instances of GB games. All four at the same time. All eight hands on a single keyboard. I think I understand what that article is about.

That's the wrong problem (2, Insightful)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436054)

It's not the "stereotypical definition of what a gamer is", it's the lack of games that non-hardcore gamers want to play.

Re:That's the wrong problem (1)

tmjr3353 (925558) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436177)

Don't worry, Nintendo's working on that one, too.

Re:That's the wrong problem (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436265)

Something like "Meet The Press" or "The Oprah Winfrey Show" or "Everybody Loves Raymond" as a first-person-shooter?

Re:That's the wrong problem (0, Offtopic)

Hitto (913085) | more than 7 years ago | (#15438229)

I think they announced a Desperate Housewives and a Sopranos game.
STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS PLEASE! ^^;

Re:That's the wrong problem (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436596)

I actually got my girlfriend playing We Love Katamari recently. She loved the stage where you have to roll-up flowers.

Back in the early days of GameBoy, my mom would steal mine to play Tetris on.

Nintendogs and Brain Age sold millions of copies to non-gamers.

The games are out there, they just need to be recognised and promoted properly.

Re:That's the wrong problem (1)

akheron01 (637033) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436609)

And your definition of a hard-core gamer is someone that wants to play the latest generic FPS?

well duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436075)

this is the whole point of the Wii

In your parent's basement (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436086)

I was about to say that the stereotype of living in your parent's basement is wildly inaccurate, but one of my best friends who is 28 just moved back in to his mother's house, in the basement, where he plays WoW...

consoles have cme full circle (4, Insightful)

stubear (130454) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436108)

The Atari 2600 was originalyl marketed this way. They tried to appeal to the sense of family gathering around the TV to play Pong or whatever. All their early ads had photos of families in them to reinforce this idea. In reality though, kids who spent much of their time in arcades were the lion's share of the market for the 2600 and that's why consoles have been developed and marketed towards this crowd for the most part.

Re:consoles have cme full circle (2, Interesting)

FirienFirien (857374) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436430)

Some work, some don't. Apple marketed its iPod as cool, funky, etc, in an advertising campaign; at that point the public's perception of Apple was probably more "cute"/"different" with the original iMac shape. iPod was a hit hit hit because it got marketed right or hit a sweet spot or both; depending on how Nintendo markets the Wii, they can go the way that Apple has gone in the mp3 player market, or how Pong went in your example. The Wii has massive potential to be freaking awesome to gamers as well as interesting/attractive/cool etc to non-gamers; in the same way that DDR had its fad a few years ago. It depends entirely on how they pitch this; so far they're making the online community buzz gently with interest, and naming it the "Wii", while still amusing, got a whole bunch more publicity; their control interface allows them to grandly enter the market for both gamers who find this the next must-have technology, and appeal very broadly to the borderline markets who have gone for the things like donkey kong bongos and so on - because it has the potential to be anything at all, depending on the software developers who work with Nintendo. I've never owned a console; I've been vaguely tempted when new nifty games come out, but it's simply not enough. Again, the Wii has a new nifty gadget that looks to link to dexterity and skill, and that's very appealing.

Sure - it could go down like Pong, and simply inspire bigger and better things later. On the other hand, Nintendo are currently playing their cards very well to make it go the way the iPod has - with a high trump price point over the PS3 as bonus.

Re:consoles have cme full circle (1)

TempeTerra (83076) | more than 7 years ago | (#15444027)

Loosely related; can you imagine playing Pong on the Wii? It strikes me as a surreal image, two people sitting on a sofa waving their white rectangular wiimotes up and down to control the white rectangular Pong paddles on the screen. With experience could you play looking at your opponent's wiimote instead of the screen?

Re:consoles have cme full circle (1)

FirienFirien (857374) | more than 7 years ago | (#15452275)

How would you know where the ball was? Knowing where the opponent's paddle is is one thing, but it doesn't help...

Re:consoles have cme full circle (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436945)

"The Atari 2600 was originalyl marketed this way."

I suspect ever console released was marketed this way to one degree or another. However, in the ~30 years since the 2600 was released, the only fundamental (non-gimmick) change in the way players interact with the games is that the controller now rumbles.

Re:consoles have cme full circle (1)

Syncdata (596941) | more than 7 years ago | (#15437676)

Well, C'mon man, the analogue stick was a pretty significant advance, regardless of who you want to credit with the invention. To a lesser extent, analogue shoulder triggers.

Thanks to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436120)

Thanks to EA, Sony, MS, and World of Warcraft for making good-hearted gamers look like social outcast that do nothing but play videogames for hours on end having no social life whatsoever. That is so untrue. I'm a gamer, but I also have a life, I'm healthy and fit. I have dated good looking women, I have confidence. Basically, I have a life, and I'm still a hardcore gamer. Those companies tend to give off the image that most gamers are nothing but social outcasts in our society. For that we now have people who really are social outcasts who cannot function in the realworld because they have no social skills whatsoever. WHo will probably never touch a good looking woman in a sensual way, consentually. This type of person is by far worse than a nerd or geek. These are the people who wack-off to anime, lolicon, and lolicon-guru and they all think its ok, thanks to games like Final Fantasy X-XII.

Give me a break. Put down the controller, go outside, get in shape, eat healthy, stop drinking Mountain Dew like its going out of style, go back to school, get educated, earn a degree, start making money, buy yourself a nice house and car, and get yourself a hot woman as a wife. oh and guess what, you can still be a gamer. Games will always be there, but life isn't, don't miss your chance!

Re:Thanks to... (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#15437209)

What a load of pap - let's break it down bit by bit shall we?

go outside,
(this is important because the homeless enjoy many advantages from merely being "outside")

get in shape,
(Unless you're ready to go to Iraq, I never really saw the point of pushing my knees and ankles to the point they'll need surgery when I'm in my 40s - oh yes - because it was healthy at the time)

eat healthy, stop drinking Mountain Dew like its going out of style,
(yes drink more beer and vodka instead - because it makes you look cool - as well as that hot redhead with 3 chins and a vestigal twin growing out of her cheek)

go back to school, get educated, earn a degree,
(don't bother worrying about how you're going to pay for it - just do it!)

start making money,
(that would be precluded by the going back to school part - particularly if you get a student loan - but again let's not get all nit picky)

buy yourself a nice house and car,
(doesn't matter if you don't want a nice house or car - it's what other people think about you that's important. Buy now - and be happy.)

and get yourself a hot woman as a wife.
(Apart from mail-order brides - this has to be the hands-down - most idiotic thing I've heard in my life. Not that we're objectifying women or anything - but lets not even go down that deep dark sexist well you're living in)

oh and guess what, you can still be a gamer. Games will always be there, but life isn't, don't miss your chance!
(don't miss your chance to join the masses of asses watching survivor, getting divorced, and working enough hours to get their first heart-attack at 33. Um dude - some people don't want to live up to your expectations. Just a tip.)

Re:Thanks to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15437713)

as long as you're actually happy man...that's all that matters. if, at the end of your life you say, that was worth it, and not, shit, I missed out big time...then it's all good.

Re:Thanks to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15438189)

"These are the people who wack-off to anime, lolicon, and lolicon-guru and they all think its ok, thanks to games like Final Fantasy X-XII"

Ahhh, yes, who could forget that pivotal scene in Final Fantasy X when Rikku proclaimed to the masses, "Please! Go onto the internet, and download several megabytes of fan-drawn images of me getting violated by tentacles!"

So what you're telling me is... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436123)

that Nintendo wants me to Wii in the company of friends?

Joke is both weaksauce AND syntactically incorrect (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436271)

Yeah, because I always Playstation 2 in the company of friends.

Can we please get over these stupid puns? I think all the hilarity in these jokes has been exhausted ever since before the first one was posted.

Re:Joke is both weaksauce AND syntactically incorr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15440854)

> Can we please get over these stupid puns? I think all the hilarity in these jokes has been exhausted ever since before the first one was posted.

I think someone's just a wii bit overdue for a nap.

The New Image should be... (1, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436161)

Kids in a bright room wearing dark sunglasses going "wheeeee!" when playing Nintendo's latest console.

uh? (1, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436171)

He says that Nintendo wishes to change that image with the Wii, a sentiment made obvious by the wide array of people shown playing Wii in Nintendo's recent promotional videos."

I applaud Nintendos efforts to increase the number of attractive models playing video games and am delighted by their commitment to encouraging a wide diversity of hot people playing their console.

However I doubt it'll increase profits that much ...

Re:uh? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15436419)

They're talking about senior citizens, middle-aged adults, younger adults, and children all having fun together. "Hot?"

I think you might be looking at Microsoft's press starring 18-30s breakdancing around the sofa, skipping double-dutch, or playing gunfinger in public. Or maybe you are watching Sony's non-ads starring 18-30s throwing PSPs around in the air at other people after less than 2 seconds of "enjoyment" (along with hot squirrels, hot fuzzballs, hot whitespaces, and other miscellaneous kinds of bullshit ad gimmicks that have nothing to do with gaming).

Re:uh? (1)

dorbabil (969458) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436621)

If you look at the promotional materials he's talking about, it's not exactly like they picked super models. Sure, they didn't pick a bunch of overweight, greasy, nasty people either, but some of them look awfully goofy.

It's self-fulfilling, unfortunately. (4, Interesting)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436221)

All well and good for him to say that, but at least here in the US, part of the very typical group dynamic is an exclusive sense of elitism even if the group is relatively 'low' on the social dominance scale.

Thus rather than saying "OK, we need to broaden our appeal, let's try to get lots of people gaming!" (a message that would of course appeal to a BUSINESS selling good to the identified market segment), the members of the group behave rudely, and reject any broadening of the franchise to "outsiders".

Look, for example, at the level of scorn directed at casual players of World of Warcraft by 'hardcore' players in-game. Or (for a broader, but similar example) the sneers of derision by /.ers at people who find Windows XP perfectly adequate. The 'geek hierarchy' writ large.

Sure, it's a defensive reaction based entirely on protecting the ego. The lame geek KNOWS he lives in his parents' basement, KNOWS that while spending 12 hours a day playing a video game he's missing out on other social activities that are widely considered to be more constructive, KNOWS that virtual wish-fulfillment might be very satisfying, but really doesn't compare to actually accomplishing anything.

But to welcome in the unwashed masses into his 'world'? That would be to at least partially accept their 'yardstick' of normalcy, against which his self-image would measure smaller. Who would welcome that?

Sadly, I have to agree (2, Insightful)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436442)

Geek gaming culture is . . . sad at best.

I've given up most online games not because I don't like to play anymore, but I don't want to put up with the subcultures that grow up within them.

Re:Sadly, I have to agree (1)

Kesch (943326) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436528)

U cant h@ndle mI l337 haxxor skillz I put ph34r in ur mom I know U watch gay teletubby pr0n fag

Y dont U go j4ck ()ff with your WII

ROFLCOPTER! 1 just h34dshot Ur post! Ima put my pr0n spray on ur corpse now.

(P.S. I hate Counter-Strike)

Re:It's self-fulfilling, unfortunately. (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436642)

People like that are a lost cause. There's no need to dig them out of their world. They're like the "crazy cat ladies" of the gaming crowd. Once you get them out into the public, they'll make a scene and then go running back to their basements.

Forunately, though, they're only a minority amongst gamers. A highly-visible minority (ironic, I know, seeing as they live in basements), but still a minority.

(In a way, this kinda reflects how Linux will take a LONG TIME to reach the mainstream desktop: it's mired in nerdish infighting and outsider-hating.)

The new stereotype (-1, Troll)

scolby (838499) | more than 7 years ago | (#15436361)

A kid in a dark room playing with his Wii who can't get a date because he can't find a girl who wants to help him play with his Wii.

I thought the name Wii was really dumb when I first heard it, but after further consideration, it appears to be absolutely perfect.

an interesting gem in the article: (1)

muel (132794) | more than 7 years ago | (#15437864)

Although these really aren't new characters so to speak, the "Wii Sports" series features these little models which you can put your own faces on ... and then you may start to see those characters, with faces you've created, appearing in different games on the Wii system.

Huh. So your WiiSports avatar might be, say, an enemy in SMG? Make a cameo in a crowd in Smash Bros. Brawl? Methinks this ties into the WiiConnect24 service, as well...your little head popping up in other people's games and so on. I'm surprised nobody's talked about this yet.
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