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Online Revenge

samzenpus posted more than 8 years ago | from the wipe-the-hard-drive dept.

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Many people have submitted this story of a broken laptop purchased on e-bay. The buyer gives a little lesson on why you should always clean your hard drive before you sell a computer.

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The shortest summary I have ever seen. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442251)

This is THE shortest summary I have ever seen on Slashdot, that or I'm just really tired.

The best way to follow up a stupid summary... (-1, Offtopic)

cjb909 (838363) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442253)

...is with a stupid comment!

The REEEEEEEEAL scoop is here (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442256)

Photos here: http://www.amirtofangsazan.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

btw, fp

The paki deserved it! (1, Flamebait)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442261)

Fucking mudman trying to sell faulty goods to real people. Cunt deserves all it gets.

Never trust a muslum.

-1,000,000 Flamebait (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442350)

I wish I knew what you are so I could call you names too. I just won't waste more time on you by checking your profile and posts history.

Not so funny when/if the seller commits suicide (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442268)

Everyone is having a nice laugh right now, but it won't seem so funny if this guy commits suicide. Then we'll be reading about how the 'buyer' is on trial.

Re:Not so funny when/if the seller commits suicide (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442307)

+1 funny

Re:Not so funny when/if the seller commits suicide (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442428)

Bah, nonsense. It would still be funny if he offed himself. Get him outta the gene pool, I say. I mean, if he can't take responsibility for his actions then why should it matter if he committed suicide. Either way he's a loser.

Re:Not so funny when/if the seller commits suicide (5, Funny)

jlarocco (851450) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442458)

Everyone is having a nice laugh right now, but it won't seem so funny if this guy commits suicide.

I believe the word for that would be "hilarious."

Sector encryption (4, Insightful)

flobberchops (971724) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442269)

I always use sector encryption on my hard drives and wipe using PGP wipe when selling. Why not use the new Seagate drives with built in crypto now? Vista has sector crypto now? Why not use NTFS encrypted folders for your stuff but that doesnt cover caches and various temp files used by applications. This is something applications need to do, allow us to manage any possible cache and storage instaed of the currently splattered and hidden about files today. How about a standard on how Applications manage this kind of like a personal privacy standard?

Re:Sector encryption (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442323)

I use Eraser.

Re:Sector encryption (5, Funny)

davidesh (316537) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442442)

I wipe with charmin ultra, it does a great job.

Re:Sector encryption (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442450)

PGP Wipe won't run if the laptop's broken. You can't even drag stuff to the trash.

Not that that's proof that the laptop was busted (it was also missing the power supply, as noted by the seller), but makes me suspicious.

Re:Sector encryption (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442453)

i seem to remember that drives with SMART technology have inbuilt function which allows you to erase the drive data in various ways (1 swipe, 2 swipes, etc.) they may or may not be able to withstand NSA but i'm pretty sure that they'd withstand any recovery tools available in the internet.

Re:Sector encryption (5, Informative)

davidesh (316537) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442462)

try Darik's Boot and Nuke... http://dban.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

karma (4, Interesting)

NetMagi (547135) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442272)

karma, that's all there is to say

I honestly love when ppl's stupidity overrules their lack of honesty and it bites them.

Re:karma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442284)

That scammer is getting what he deserves. Not only that "blog" was posted to the reg and slashdot, but also on digg... That'll learn him :)

Splash damage (2, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442432)

Except for the fact that some of the pictures are of people other than the owner. While the owner might be in for some karma, how about other people who are having their pictures posted on the 'revenge' site?

Re:Splash damage (2, Informative)

arivanov (12034) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442492)

And this is exactly the reason why the guy who posted all this crap is being investigated by the police. Check the register for details: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/31/ebay_lapto p_site/ [theregister.co.uk]

Re:Splash damage (1)

smvp6459 (896580) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442507)

Seems fair to me if you have such a douche for a friend.

Re:karma (2, Insightful)

TCM (130219) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442516)

At first glance, you think "serves him right" of course, I'm no exception.

But where I live, there are things you can do if someone fraudulently sells you non-working stuff as working.

This is vigilante justice, plain and simple. I don't think the proportionalities match here.

The seller should be forced to refund the money or provide a working laptop and the buyer should face charges for whatever crimes he committed by posting this stuff.

The Register's new market: tabloids (2, Insightful)

iamlucky13 (795185) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442273)

Fantastic. I thought the register considered itself a somewhat legitimate news entity, but now they've posted a link to a defamatory website of unverified accuracy in an article. Many, many points down the toilet in my book.

Re:The Register's new market: tabloids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442334)

Wow! You had the Register in the toilet - what high regards you have! I kinda thought it was down in the sewer level...

CFNM (5, Funny)

JohnGrahamCumming (684871) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442277)

Whatever the rights and wrongs of posting this guy's personal information, I did learn from one of his photos about a fetish I'd never come across: CFNM (Clothed Female, Naked Male).

Thanks Amir!

John.

You've been missing out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442382)

Lotts of bachelorette parties, etc. Pretty hot.

Re:CFNM (2, Informative)

Abuzar (732558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442460)

I did learn from one of his photos about a fetish I'd never come across: CFNM (Clothed Female, Naked Male).
What? You have never heard of CFNM before? What happened to your sex ed? or does your sex ed come from america?

I am so sorry for you. One should always strive to keep themselves informed and educated, especially when it comes to matters of the sensual persuasion. Here, let me help you out:

Sample pictures of CFNM [english-lady-sonia.com]
Sample videos of CFNM [cfnmidol.net]
CFNM picture galleries on gigagalleries [gigagalleries.com]
CFNM video galleries on gigagalleries [gigagalleries.com]

Hope these pointers help.

and the seller... (3, Insightful)

macadamia_harold (947445) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442280)

The buyer gives a little lesson on why you should always clean your hard drive before you sell a computer.

And if you read the full story, you'll see that the seller gives a little lesson on how the law views vigilantism on the internets. Hint: Police are involved.

Re:and the seller... (2, Interesting)

moe.ron (953702) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442344)

What law was broken here? Is the buyer personally threatening the seller or something? Because if not, I can't see how the buyer did anything wrong. The seller sold the laptop, hardware and all (read: software/data). I don't see why the buyer does not have the right to do what he pleases with all of the seller's personal information. The seller put his personal life on the laptop up for bid. The buyer bought it all, so why doesn't the buyer have the right the information and the right to post all of it online if he/she pleases?

Re:and the seller... (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442480)

If you buy a photo from a photographer are you allowed to post it on the internet?

If I were the victem I would be sueing under copyright law, trying to get money per photo per hit.

I d think the seller is a lieing schmuck though, because I doubt anyone would leave that data on the laptop if it worked, though maybe a data recovery program was used and the buyer is the schmuck.

Re:and the seller... (4, Informative)

Neoprofin (871029) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442362)

The police are involved because the seller called them, not because the police are doing anything.

It's still purely a civil matter as reported by the register and the defamatory site is still up. Score one for vigilantism on the internet.

Unless of course this is one of those things that falls under libel in Britain because it damages his reputation even if it does end up being 100% true.

Re:and the seller... (1)

Pantero Blanco (792776) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442407)

I don't think it falls under libel, even by the British definition, if it's true. Of course, it (and just about anything) might be considered "Anti-Social Behavior" [wikipedia.org] .

Re:and the seller... (1)

smvp6459 (896580) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442542)

How about slander?...sure sounds like he's being defamed, regardless of the truth of the statement.

Re:and the seller... (4, Informative)

igb (28052) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442414)

Truth is an absolute defence to libel in England and Wales and I presume Northern Ireland (I don't know about Scotland). The problem is the reversed burden of proof: the defendent has to prove truth, albeit only to civil standards.

Re:and the seller... (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442415)

If its 100% true, its not libel is it?
Libel only exists when you tell a lie about someone and it damages their reputation.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=libel [reference.com]

Truth not always a defense (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442505)

Libel only exists when you tell a lie about someone and it damages their reputation.

Make that "or". Outing a gay who is not yet comfortable with being out can be considered libel, even if true: Outing may be found to be libel by a court of law [wikipedia.org] . And there were a couple of gay photos in the lot, even though most were straight.

Re:and the seller... (1)

flooey (695860) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442513)

If its 100% true, its not libel is it?

Not in the US, no. In some areas of the world, though, publishing something that's true but damaging can be legally libelous. I don't know if the UK is one of those places, I somewhat doubt it.

0-fill (0, Redundant)

bobby1234 (860820) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442297)

here begins the discussion on the best way to 0 fill your harddrive..... 0000 no 101010 no 11111 no 000111000111

Re:0-fill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442386)

Putting your old hard drive under a big magnet should be better than filling it with 0's.

Re:0-fill (0, Redundant)

Schraegstrichpunkt (931443) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442433)

Dumbass, it's:
while true ; do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda ; done

Re:0-fill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442523)

That's a wonderful display of l33tness, but it's not that great advice, considering the tremendous user base that Unix-based laptops have. That doesn't quite do the same thing on a default install of Windows XP, which the laptop was running. The vast majority of users don't know how to open or use a command prompt, let alone how to properly erase a hard drive.

Yawn. (2, Interesting)

robogun (466062) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442298)

However, the link about the car seller at the bottom was much more entertaining.

Re:Yawn. (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442426)

However, the link about the car seller at the bottom was much more entertaining.

Couldn't find that link (maybe they rotate?). Care to post it here?

Thanks

Re:Yawn. (4, Funny)

robogun (466062) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442546)

here it is [theregister.com]

Wow. (4, Interesting)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442299)

I agree about the cleaning of the harddrive, but this really seems like useless drama to me. Is this really news, or internet angst taken a bit too far?

Re:Wow. (1)

daeley (126313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442391)

Is this really news, or internet angst taken a bit too far?

These days, those are pretty much the same thing. ;)

Re:Wow. (1)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442522)

It saddens me that this is news. We used to have forumdrama, and now we have blogdrama - and it's making the news. The internet has allowed useless, petty drama to spread much much further than it should ever have. Some people need to just read The Four Agreements and get the hell over it.

Re:Wow. (1)

jsse (254124) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442520)

Because by reading stories as such we can pay attention to laptop privacy which would be otherwise neglected. By reading you guys comments I found stuffs about sector encryption and something useful [sourceforge.net] which you'd not bother to look for until you need it.
Don't blame us for not RTFA, most of time I found comments useful, informative, and sometime, more intelligent than the original post. :P

I believe most of us hang around and read every story posted for similar reason right? :)

Re:Wow. (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442532)

Obviously a lot of people find this story interesting and amusing, even if you don't. Deal with it.

Boot and Nuke (5, Informative)

mahesh_gharat (633793) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442320)

If you are selling/sending for repair, either your laptop or storage media, do not forget to take the backup and wipe out the entire content. Simply formatting/deleting the content may not help. The data will be still there, only the index (Allocation table) will be changed.
You can use something like Darik's Boot and Nuke http://dban.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] for deleting the content permanently.

Why is this on the front page... (3, Informative)

ystar (898731) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442322)

This isn't news. Anyone who reads Slashdot would hopefully know to delete the contents of their HDD before shipping it out to a stranger...then again, anyone who reads slashdot isn't likely to be selling a "broken" laptop - not when there's spare parts around and Linux to be installed.

Re:Why is this on the front page... (1)

ystar (898731) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442348)

And anyone who refreshes slashdot 15 times or more a day would know to rewrite the contents of any resold drives at least seven times to "really" prevent the data from being retrieved.

Extortion (3, Insightful)

Crasoum (618885) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442335)

Extortion is basically what it boils down to; "Amir, if you want to refund my money you know where to contact me, and this page will disappear forever."

The rest of the crap in the story is unverifiable from the information provided. It is just here-say.

Re:Extortion (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442389)

But the photos are lovely and difficult to deny.

For the buyer's sake I hope it's a stolen laptop 'cuz we're going to be hearing about this one for a long time.

What this page needs are some ads to defer the poster's server costs.

Re:Extortion (2, Interesting)

Crasoum (618885) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442436)

The photos are very difficult to deny, but all it proves is he does not know how to eliminate data.

It is also doubtful the laptop is stolen, it probably is indeed Amir's.

He also used a free service (Which supports AdSense if he took the time to set it up.), why would he need to worry about bandwidth?

Re:Extortion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442396)

"here-say"? No. You mean "hearsay", you moron. Think about it.

Re:Extortion (1)

Crasoum (618885) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442409)

Forgive my spelling, the understood meaning remains the same.

Re:Extortion (1)

stevenm86 (780116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442475)

Extortion? The information is already out there. Besides, if it was something the seller did not want to come out, he should have wiped the HD or not have commited ebay fraud in the first place.

Re:Extortion (3, Interesting)

Crasoum (618885) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442527)

Which goes back to where's the proof he committed fraud, the item was shipped, the person was able to access the hard drive (I know there are plenty of ways of doing so with and without a working laptop.), but there was no documentation as to what was borked on the computer.

He simply stated that it was broke.

No pictures of the broken item, no description of what was broke. Just a statement that the ram and DVD-Rom was wrong, again, -hear-say.

For all I can tell, it was missing a charger which can lead to all sorts of assumptions.

The extortion part comes in to play with the statement that boils down to you pay, it goes away.

Re:Extortion (1)

piquadratCH (749309) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442501)

Extortion is basically what it boils down to; "Amir, if you want to refund my money you know where to contact me, and this page will disappear forever."
The funny thing about the Internet is, once you've put something in the web, it'll never disappear again. This holds especially for content like this. Poor little Amir will be hunted by this 'incident' for a few years to come I'm afraid, whether the site is taken down or not.

Re:Extortion (2, Insightful)

ShellFish (895612) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442540)

Funny how you simply assume the seller is telling the truth. If you read the reported story (especially quotes from him) and look at the original posting of the eBay auction, you'll see that there are many inconsistencies (i.e., the seller is lying in one of these two places). The seller has a -3 feedback rating, and this isn't the only buyer who has claimed to have been scammed by him. The pictures and other data are internally consistent with the blog posting -- i.e., not a bunch of random cell phone pictures scoured from the 'Net.

You throw that word "unverifiable" around as if it's the end of the argument. There are many ways to gain confidence in the soure of information. Here, the internal clues and external clues combine to give me pretty high confidence that the buyer is telling the truth. And you know, "hear-say" doesn't mean it's automatically not true or unverifiable, it just means that you have to use your critical thinking skills to figure out what is more likely true.

You call this extortion. In reality the seller sold a computer that was not accurately described, did not even work, shipped it two months late, and refused t a refund despite repeated requests and even lied about where he was to get out of it. The buyer is now posting the truth out there and asking, again, to have just his money back. It isn't extortion if all you do is tell the truth and ask for your money back so that a fraud can be undone..

Sick (2, Interesting)

deafpluckin (776193) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442343)

This kind of "revenge" is a bit sick. Is it really worth the money to ruin this guy's life?

Re:Sick (4, Insightful)

Pantero Blanco (792776) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442388)

I doubt it's about the money. Scamming/cheating/robbing people REALLY pisses them off, even when the amount of goods involved is trivial.

I won't blame anyone for exposing a scumball after the scumball tried to screw him.

And why are the police getting involved, anyway?

Re:Sick (2, Insightful)

TorAvalon (971986) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442419)

Because, like you, they don't know the whole story unless they get involved.

I'm vindicated! (1)

pongo000 (97357) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442351)

After seeing this, I no longer feel so anal about running old floppies through the shredder, old CD-ROMs in the microwave, and dissassembling old hard drives and smashing the platters.

Re:I'm vindicated! (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442413)


and dissassembling old hard drives and smashing the platters.


If the hard drive is still operational, just run dban [sourceforge.net] on it and it will be completely unreadable.

Re:I'm vindicated! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442530)

I sent ~20 lbs of hd platters to the aluminum reclycling center. 10 -15 full height drives, they weren't mine but I was curious if the NSA could reconstruct them all shuffled up or maybe once they had been turned into budweiser can. I guess glass platters are even better.
If anyone finds out about my hamster powered vibrator then they will have to betray their methods to reconstruct the data in order to expose me - a risk I am willing to take.

But did it run Linux? (no) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442366)

This wouldn't have happened as easily if the device in question had run Linux!
Then again, the seller then would maybe have some common sense...

Eraser w/Nuke Disk Option (4, Informative)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442369)

The Eraser [heidi.ie] program is an excellent and free way to securely wipe your hardrives prior to sale of your computer in addition to providing everyday secure wiping services including secure file deletion, free space, and swap file wiping w/multiple overwrite pattern options. I have no financial interest in this company whatsoever, but I have found this program to be a useful addition to my toolbox so you may want to check it out.

The "Chicken Shop" (2, Funny)

TX297 (861307) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442381)

Heh, I think I know where that place is... looks like it's on that road heading into the toppling phone booths in Kingston... I've eaten at that place a couple of times but the shops in the background don't look right, but I haven't been there for a couple of years so who knows? It's possibly a chain, but the interior furnishings are exactly the same. Mod me down, this comment is useless.

Re:The "Chicken Shop" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442536)

From the sign that says "Hollywood Fried Chicken" in one of the photos, I suppose that we can deduce that the fast food place is called "Hollywood Fried Chicken." Maybe this [allinlondon.co.uk] one? Don't know for sure.

Obligatory link (3, Funny)

mincognito (839071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442384)

When it comes to repaying unscrupulous ebayers, nothing beats...the P-P-P-Powerbook!

http://www.p-p-p-powerbook.com/ [p-p-p-powerbook.com]

Horrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442403)

This kind of revenge is way out of proportion. If the story is at all true I hope the police do become involved. You rip me off so I destroy your life? Childish buyer. If he did get ripped off he totally deserved it and more.

I mean think about it. Think about how much the laptop is worth and how much trouble this would have caused.

Assuming the story is true, the seller deserved a slap on the wrist. The buyer deserves jail time.

Re:Horrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442434)

I'd say he did buy the data...

Re:Horrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442452)

Sup, Amir, bro'!

Re:Horrible (1)

Pantero Blanco (792776) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442464)

Assuming the story is true, this is the best way in the world to handle scammers. Expose them in a way that'll attract many people so that they won't, and likely can't, screw over anyone else. The guy was screwing strangers and picked the wrong one. I have no sympathy for him.

If the story isn't true, the buyer will probably be hit with libel, and (I'd say) deserves worse for destroying an innocent man's life.

just in case anyone is interested... (4, Informative)

AxemRed (755470) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442408)

Here's a link to the finished auction [ebay.com] .

Note the feedback (4, Informative)

CdBee (742846) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442487)

Link to Amir's profile [ebay.com] Amir has done this before.. and how typical that the only positive feedback comes from someone called Nick Tofang.....

Re:just in case anyone is interested... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442511)

why would you buy an item off a seller with a score of -2, and only a 25% positive feedback rating? and with such BAD comments as well!

How to make sure your data is not readable (5, Insightful)

iceco2 (703132) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442410)

The Israeli Army uses the only fool proof method I know for erasing data off magentic hardrives and is made up of 2 steps:
A. run the Harddrive through a Powerfull Degauser (a rapidly changing electro-Magnet)
B. Shred the Hard drive into pieces less then one square milimeter in size.

However this system may be hard to come by for most of us, and tends to harm the hard drive.

Writing a set of zeros on a sensative file is much better than deleting it but not necessarly
enough, because:
a. your OS may decide to move your file to another location on the disk.
b. Even after writing once or twice over the data, It still may be recoverable, especially
      if you use constant zeros(or ones).

Writing random data several times is a better method, but is most be done over the entire
hard drive and in sevral passes over the entire hard drive,
since modern harddrives have a cache mecahnism(as well as one in the OS), so If
some one writes over the first sector of a hard drive 20 times, chances are the hard drive
actually got something physiclly written to it only once.

several tools for securly deleting data available on the net, I would not trust
my good reputation on any tool which securly deletes specific files but only on
those which wipe your disk clean,
these too may not protect you 100% becasue modern hard drive have a feature to correct(re-Map) bad-sectors automaticly, With this feature if the hard drive fails
to access a certain sector sevral times it will stop using it and send and use
a diffrent secotr instead(reserved in advance for this purpose and not normally accessable).
The damaged secotr may still contain private data after hard drive is wiped clean.

In short if you want to be truely safe use the Degause and shred Method.

      Don't be paranoid
              Me.

Re:How to make sure your data is not readable (4, Informative)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442461)

There's another 100% secure way to wipe all the data from a hard disk, and it only has one step:

Drop it in an electric furnace and let it melt.

Re:How to make sure your data is not readable (1)

aerthling (796790) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442478)

I remember reading somewhere (an APC magazine, I think) that a bullet in the platter was very effective. Anyone tried this method? ;)

Re:How to make sure your data is not readable (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442479)

And the reason the Israeli Army takes such drastic measures to destroy its files? In short: they're concerned about being indicted for war crimes. Unfortunately for them, there's only so many Palestinian children you can kill, homes to destroy, and families to tear apart before that incriminating information becomes irrelevant under the weight of all the accumulated human evidence.

Wow (0)

Bryant68 (978283) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442417)

What a dumb ass.

Two possibilites.. (1)

chrispycreeme (550607) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442429)

One: This Amir is a slimy crook and is getting everything he deserves. Two: The buyer is an unreasonable dick and should be brought up on some sort of charges. Too bad laws don't take this into account. At least not in the US, not sure about the UK. Seems like in the US it wouldn't matter if Amir was a slimeball or not he could still sue the guy who bought the laptop and make his life miseralble if not deprive him of lots of money.. There should be a slimy crook/unreasonable dick law... Im going to write my congressman right now.

Re:Two possibilites.. (4, Informative)

AxemRed (755470) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442449)

Based on Amir's Ebay record [ebay.com] , I'm going to guess that he's a slimy crook.

Re:Two possibilites.. (4, Insightful)

pimpimpim (811140) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442472)

Both the possibilities you mention are valid in this case.

1:) All the people here talking about deleting contents of your harddrive get the point wrong. This guy sold his laptop because it broke and he was too stupid to consider mounting the HD in an other PC and moving the contents before selling it. The HD was still fully functioning, and it took the buyer no effort to get the contents of it, which he was eager to do as he was screwed by buying a broken laptop which status was mentioned as "refurbished".

2:) The buyer is an unreasonable dick, because he could have known that this was not a serious seller. The buyer posts screenshots of the e-bay auction, that make this clear here [blogger.com] and here [blogger.com] . Just read the text the seller wrote, and you know that this is a no-go. Still, the buyer goes on ranting that the seller described himself as a businessman, yeah, idiot, did he really believe that?

Nasty people will try to screw you when selling material over the internet (and not only there), and stupid people will get screwed at obvious scams. Any interference by law representatives or even the media is just a waste of time in this case.

DD not enough anymore? (1)

BigBuckHunter (722855) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442431)

All the comments above mentions stuf like using pgp/drivecrypt or other utils to write random data to a disk before selling a piece of hardware. Whatever happened to dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda? Doesn't that do pretty much the same thing, or is "encrypted random" data better than "plain old random data" for some reason?
 
BBH

i question the validity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442440)

the blog contains the phrase "full access to MSN and hotmail (it just signed in automatically, whoops!)."
to me this implies that the buyer was able to boot from the hard drive. I guess he could have just copied the cookies & favorites over but that one phrase seems kind of fishy to me.

Re:i question the validity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442485)

maybe he booted with another computer. good catch, though.

More trouble for the buyer (0)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442445)

Not only did he buy a broken laptop, he's made himself vulnerable to a libel suit. Being in Britain, even if everything he says is true, that's not a defense. He held the seller up to public ridicule, and that's all that matters there. He may well end up paying thousands of pounds in damages, and if so, it serves him right. Not only is what he did wrong and irresponsible, he didn't even try to get his money back, he just published the photos to humiliate the man he bought it from. With any luck, his stupidity will be its own punishment.

Link to the laptop article itself (0, Redundant)

stevenm86 (780116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442446)

http://www.amirtofangsazan.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com] This is where the actual good stuff comes in. It's written (purposefully) from the person of the seller, if anyone is confused.

This gives me an idea.. (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442456)

I got ripped off last year for $200 on ebay. I sent the money order registered, they claimed never have to received it. Yet the money order came back with their signature on it, cashed at an exclusive credit union. The police were supposedly looking into it. There was a backlog, but there were similar complaints found from at least 2 other individuals (they posted negative feedback right before Ebay suspended their account, so I contacted them and these people did the same thing to them).
But all totalled it was only like $350 (at least from our 3 cases). I recommended they try and get a transaction list from around that time to try and contact buyers to see if anyone else got ripped off. I haven't heard back from the cop since November, maybe I'll e-mail him again and see if he got around to it.

Unfortunately not one of us were from the same state. Me from Canada, they were from the southern states (this person was in Ohio).

I don't have any embarrassing photos of them, but since I have their address I suppose I could hop a bus and go take some, maybe pick up my money while I'm there.

I did get a refund from Ebay, but it didn't include shipping, minues their "fee" for processing.

So I was still out quite a chunk on the other side.

Seller's eBay Feedback Score (1)

stevenm86 (780116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442465)

Interesting point of note- The seller's ebay site lists 4 feedback items, three of these being negative. Even assuming that the three negative feedbacks were posted after the sale in question, who buys a laptop from someone with a feedback count of 1? The buyer should have definitely done some basic research on the seller when buying something expensive, like a laptop. Especially with all the ebay fraud around lately (P-p-p-powerbook anyone?) Come on, it is one click to check feedback.

Has this guy got much legal defence? (3, Interesting)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442470)

This guy sold the computer and recieved payment? Wouldn't that mean the hard drive & its contents are now owned by the guy who bought it, and its up to him what he wants to do to it?

Its like someone selling a house then going back 6 months later trying to reclaim property they left behind.

lol (1)

Swizec (978239) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442477)

That is funny on a certain level, but I think nothing gives you an excuse to do that to a person at least not without threatening them first *evil grin*

just ship with a new drive or no drive (1)

WinEveryGame (978424) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442497)

Having sold a lot of old laptops, I can tell you that the process of wiping an old disk (especially if it is less than 10GB) is sometimes just not worth it. I just buy a whole bunch of new or refurbished hard drives, say of 20GB at a very good price, and just ship the laptops with these.

WOW! (1)

Kingnog (926221) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442518)

Oh man, this is THE best story I have *EVER* read on slashdot :) Such a perfect way to get revenge! I love how the article talks about how police are investigating, and the site may get taken down, and the the last sentence gives a link to the site! Wow, the page counter is going crazy, I love it!

Is this the guy - MySpace (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15442519)

This really looks like the guy, and what would be more fun if it is than to see how many people post comments if it is?

Anywho, this looks like the guy pictured http://www.myspace.com/fightit/ [myspace.com] but I will say I can't say for sure.

hot damn. (1)

allio (791515) | more than 8 years ago | (#15442526)

Those are some fine looking legs. This kid had a great idea!
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