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Alienware GeForce 7900 SLI Notebook Tested

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the drooooool dept.


MojoKid writes "Dual Graphics in Notebooks have been in development for a long time now but very few Notebook vendors have actually brought products to market. Recently, NVIDIA's launch of the GeForce 7900 series enabled manufacturers like Alienware the ability to configure Dual GPU SLI systems in a Notebook form factor. HotHardware has a world's first look at the Alienware m9700 Aurora, that comes equipped with a pair of GeForce 7900 MXM modules in a Desktop Replacement form factor. With a 2.4GHz AMD Turion64 processor, SLI and a 17" panel, this machine has more horsepower and features than many high end Desktop setups."

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notebook? (5, Insightful)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448523)

Dimension and Weight: ._1.85" x 15.65" x 11.75" ._Starting at 8.5 lbs.

I would call that more a luggable than a notebook. As powerful as it might be, that's no laptop I'd want to carry around...

Re:notebook? (2, Insightful)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448645)

Also note the max battery life is 120 mins assuming that you are not playing a funky game. The article fails to mention how much the battery lasts if one plays a heavy game without connecting it to the power-supply.

The starting weight is 8.5 lbs. Adding spare battery will only increase its weight. I admit that I have have never gamed on a laptop, but I fail to see its charm. A kickass destop is always better/cheaper/upgradable

Re:notebook? (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448676)

But a hell of a lot harder to lug to your friend's house or wherever for a LAN party. It's not that it's a commuter laptop, it's just that a one-piece, 10lb machine is a hell of a lot lighter and more portable than a 4 piece (minimum), 50lb desktop.

Re:notebook? (2, Insightful)

arose (644256) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448728)

A set that can form a portable box, but accepts a standard internal components would be a better solution.

Re:notebook? (1)

Andrzej Sawicki (921100) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448899)

I would go one further: Call it a transportable desktop replacement, and ditch the battery altogether.

Is there a market though? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449131)

I also like the idea - a less compact, but possibly still light desktop that was very portable with a good display built in.

However, are there enough LAN gamers (the obvious target market for such a computer) to make a company profit from selling them? I kind of wonder if Alienware is not making such a thing today if anyone would.

Currently to me the Intel iMac actually seems like one of the better LAN solutions, it can run Windows and is really an all in one unit with a great big display in the way almost nothing else is.

Re:notebook? (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448688)

And as others have pointed out, there are the heat issues associated with a SLI setup as well. This just seems like a 'solution' looking for a problem. I use a laptop primarily for work. I'd much rather lug around a lightweight pint sized notebook that meets my business needs than a huge and heavy non-upgradable laptop that might retain it's state-of-the-art-for-gaming status for -- at most -- a year. As you said, if you want to game: buy a desktop. Or a console.


Re:notebook? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15448734)

I use a laptop primarily for work

No offense, but I'd suggest this laptop is not being marketed to you. I suspect the target audience is students who:

-Play games
-Always near a power outlet
-Need portability for study sessions, classwork, etc
-2lbs extra weight is minor compared to the 30lb Bio book

Call me crazy, but its a big market out there, and not everybody wants what you want.

Re:notebook? (1)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448770)

you don't want to carry 8.5lbs around?

its not that heavy. jeez. with the shoulder strap thats nothing.

Re:notebook? (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449169)

its not that heavy. jeez. with the shoulder strap thats nothing.

Try travel often with something that heavy (and by often, I mean as part of your job). It gets old, quickly.

Re:notebook? (1)

coopaq (601975) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448779)

Looks awesome!

I'd call it a notebook.

Plays any game and has a huge screen!

Probably a really nice development machine too!

8.5 lbs is perfect for everything you get!

Probably too much though if you only want email and blogging.

Re:notebook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15448897)

My laptop backpack, when loaded, weighs 30 to 40 lbs. A laptop weighing 15 lbs wouldnt bother me much over one that weighed 5 lbs.

I walk less than 200 yards 99% of the time I have my laptop backpack.

The day I can't carry 40 to 50 lbs for 200 yards will be the day I use wheels and pull my stuff behind me or push it on a two wheeler like a professor I know does.

Re:notebook? (2, Insightful)

evildarkdeathclicheo (978593) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448946)

Perhaps this is an answer to those odd individuals who would normally lug around a desktop to a lanparty. Lets be honest, most people use their laptops at the office, and then at home. Usually they're always "plugged in". Saying that laptops are meant to be portable is like telling poorly endowed, middle-aged men that their hummer is meant to go offroad. -W

Re:notebook? (1)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449092)

My backpack with a 15.4 inch laptop with power supply (in case I need to use the computer for more than 3 hours, for papers) + large 400 page university books weighs 15lbs easily... I lug that around for extended periods. Then again, I am in shape.

Re:notebook? (0, Troll)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449228)

Well to solve this problem , take 4 hours a day to work on one arm with a dumbbell . after a few months that arm should be more than capable to lift it around. An added advantage is that you could also use that arm to turn a crank to keep the laptop running more than 3 minutes without a wall socket

Re:notebook? (1)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449416)

These machines aren't made for you to carry around on a daily basis. They are desktop replacements. Only time you carry it around is when your going to a lan party or heading back to your parents house for college vacation.

sounds pretty sweet but... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15448528)

it has a turion... there's no way i would spend good money to get any computer with a turion processor...

Hot Hardware (1)

MankyD (567984) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448532)

Hot Hardware is right - anyone know how hot these thing run? How fast will the burn a hole in your lap?

Re:Hot Hardware (1)

Kesch (943326) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448797)

Only if you can get past the intial hole it will burn in your wallet.

Afterwards, ya, I'd think it be great at frying sensitive areas. Laptop is a misnomer for this machine.

I've got blister on me knads! (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448993)

Hot Hardware is right - anyone know how hot these thing run? How fast will the burn a hole in your lap?

Probably pretty darned quick. I've found, even with a good pair of corduroys (nice air venting) or thick jeans, that many laptops run pretty darned hot, especially near the CPU(s) and the video card(s).

Is there a ThinkGeek laptop thing like you see for those 133L people in New Yorker who read books and have a laptop tray? I could use one big enough so I can sit on the couch and watch my HDTV while using my laptop - but it needs a side mouse location, not only big enough for the laptop itself.

NO (-1, Offtopic)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448538)

Have you Meta Moderated recently?

NO, I haven't Meta-moderated recently. And you know why? Because after 3 years of Metamodding, there hasn't been a single instance where I've received actual Mod-points.

And yes, my Karma is excellent, I used to meta-mod diligently and I don't "refresh too often", some factors that are believed to consign users to "metamod hell".

/end offtopic rant and apologies.

Re:NO (0, Offtopic)

ConsumerOfMany (942944) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448627)

Head over to digg my friend. Yo can mod up or down to your hearts desire, report an inaccurate till the cows come home.....No practice required. :)

I feel a burn coming on...

Re:NO (1)

Tink2000 (524407) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448709)

Hear hear... Check my Journal for my thoughts on M2 & modding. The /. modcode is borked.

Re:NO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15448889)

Thanks. Yeah, this certainly needs more investigation. Read your journal, but all entries are archived (and one of them disappeared while I was looking at your journal I think) and I can't post comments there.

--Original poster

easier way to make rocky mountain oysters (1)

sepharious (900148) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448550)

this is getting a little insane. repeat after me, laptops are meant to go places, desktops are meant to have more power. I think things like this should be labeled "compact desktops".

Re:easier way to make rocky mountain oysters (2, Insightful)

cobryson (957109) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448739)

I believe "desktop replacement notebooks" fits the bill nicely...it's not like this is bait and switch, this genre of notebook is clearly defined as heavy and not easily portable. What's the problem?

Notebooks != Laptops (1)

jpardey (569633) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448774)

If you want a computer to use in the office/school/dorm/whatever but also want one for home, is it best to buy a portable high-powered machine, or a cheap laptop and a cheap home computer? If you don't have $5000 to spend on computers, a good "notebook" or "desktop replacement" might be your best choice.

When I go off to college, I will occasionally want to take my computer back. Carrying a desktop machine home on the train? No thanks.

Repeat after me: Get a computer that fits your needs.

Glossy screen... (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448552)

Bleh! It's got one of those stupid dumb arse glossy screens that reflect everything around you. No thanks to something reminiscent of 80's CRT technology...

Re:Glossy screen... (4, Funny)

Rolo Tomasi (538414) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448646)

No, for the target group of these laptops this type of screen is just fine. They were specifically designed to be used in dark basements.

Yes, but... (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448557)

...does it run Dapper Drake?

(seriously, Breezy Badger didn't work in any notebook I tried)

Re:Yes, but... (1)

nb caffeine (448698) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448621)

breezy worked perfectly on my toshiba. Only change i needed to make was supply ndiswrapper the proper driver for my pcmcia wifi card. Other than that, it was all good.

Ubuntu on a Toshiba (1)

JLavezzo (161308) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448683)

Okay I did buy the bottom of the line Best Buy special, but my Toshiba Satellite didn't get past the video recognition on the Ubuntu live or install cd.
So, it's still running XP and my wife is using it...
My next portable will be selected based on compatibility, not only on price... ;)

Re:Ubuntu on a Toshiba (1)

Rolo Tomasi (538414) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448806)

Forget it. Laptops tend to use the more recent stuff, and as Linux is always a couple of months behind driver-wise, you'll probably never find a recently released laptop that works with Linux right away. I bought my Dell over a month ago and only now with the latest kernel/ALSA/X.org it's usable under Linux.

Re:Ubuntu on a Toshiba (0, Flamebait)

jrockway (229604) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449077)

Really? I bought a D620 a month ago and Debian stable installed on it just fine. I think this is a case of either trolling, or stupidity.

Re:Ubuntu on a Toshiba (1)

Rolo Tomasi (538414) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449152)

Well guess what, both Ubuntu and Fedora "installed just fine", too. Only I had no sound, I couldn't use the full screen resolution (maximum was 1024x768 while the actual screen is 1280x800), and I had no DRI support in X. Updating ALSA fixed the sound, updating the kernel and X fixed the DRI. I still have to use a hack for the resolution (915resolution) but at least it works.

I think this is a case of either trolling, or stupidity.

In your case, both, apparently.

Re:Ubuntu on a Toshiba (1)

jrockway (229604) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449372)

My built-in 1440x900 LFP worked fine (needs 915resolution, though, to fix Intel's broken video BIOS), and my external 1920x1200 DFP worked fine too. DRI works (but is super slow, because Intel's drivers are horrible). My HDA audio worked fine.

The only thing that didn't work was the wifi card, because Intel insists on keeping their "regulatory compliance daemon" closed source.

So despite Intel's best efforts to make my system unusable, I prevalied and it worked fine. Won't be buying any Intel products again, though.

Re:Ubuntu on a Toshiba (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449236)

I don't know... About a year ago I bought an HP Pavilion DV1000 series notebook. For the life of me, I couldn't get any version of SUSE (well, 9.1 through 10.0, most recently) to run on it. I popped in Ubuntu 5.10 and everything just worked. Network, proper video resolution, etc.

I've not tried SUSE 10.1 on it, because I've been pretty impressed with Ubuntu, but I have put SUSE 10.1 on a Thinkpad R51 and eveyrthing worked fine on that.

Re:Yes, but... (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448782)

Breezy and Drake (at least so far after upgrading) run fine on an old Dell P3 500 laptop I have.

On any you tried? (1)

MoodyLoner (76734) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448810)

Which ones did you try?

Got it running at my work on everything from a crappy old Toshiba up to a Compaq nc6220.

In fact, I was running it on a Dell 610 - and aside from some port replicator issues it worked just fine. Had to edit that - forgot I upgraded to Dapper this morning.

So, to address the topic, I don't see a problem with it running on this Alienware monstrosity. Wonder if I can get work to buy me one for testing?

seems okay until.. (1)

archen (447353) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448570)

Not that I have a problem with "integrated" stuff, but this thing has an "integrated" subwoofer. Is this for real? Maybe I've crossed the line into audiophile territory, but I doubt that sounds very good. I can't see a ricer opening the door of his tricked out Honda civic to impress his friends and show them the "awsome" base comming from his alienware laptop.

Re:seems okay until.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15448854)

Just so you know, the PowerBook G4 has a subwoofer as well. Even the 12"

and it'll be behind the curve in 6 months (2, Insightful)

bunions (970377) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448572)

I don't understand why people buy super-high-end performance laptops. You pay a huge power, weight and cost premium for a laptop that will be top-o-the-line for very little time, and you can't upgrade it when that time passes.

I guess I can imagine some niche markets - demo machines for software salesmen, stuff like that where a desktop is absolutely infeasible, but sheesh.

Re:and it'll be behind the curve in 6 months (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448601)

True, but you can always buy a reconditioned one for about half the price if you just wait three months.

Note that, with 2GB of RAM, it actually is Windows Vista Premium capable.

But your basic point on the difficulty in upgrading laptops is a very good one.

Re:and it'll be behind the curve in 6 months (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15448651)

I bought one, so I can tell you the basic market: people who want to be able to play new (or newish, at the very least) games, but are either going to college, moving decent distances with some relative frequency, or simply want something that's portable in the sense of bringing it to another desk to work at.

In this past year I've gone from undergrad in boston, to working in san diego, and then grad school in san francisco... not only do I not really trust shipping my home desktop around all the time, but I like to be able to bring my computer with me to the lab. I don't need some ultra-thin thing to go work on the beach, and ~10 lbs, while heavy, is tbh not really that much heavier than my backpacks were in the past 10 years of school.

Re:and it'll be behind the curve in 6 months (1, Insightful)

Creepy (93888) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448839)

I don't understand why people buy $25 million dollar yachts which require about $12 million a year to maintain or $12 million dollar mansions in Ft Lauderdale when they don't even live in them or $20000 stereo systems or heck, even $350 iPods when perfectly good alternatives exist. I mean, why get a yacht when a fishing dinghy will do? Why a mansion if you can live comfortably in a shed?

People buy Alienware because it's expensive and has the latest bells and whistles. For that matter, most people never upgrade their desktop PC, they just buy a new one when the old one gets outdated (like any appliance). If they do upgrade it, they usually pay someone to do it.

Anyhow, those specs should be good for about a year of gaming (the highest minimum CPU spec I've seen lately is NWN2 with its 2.4GHz minimum).

Re:and it'll be behind the curve in 6 months (2, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449006)

It's not advanced, it's just over done.

It's like why eat 2000 calories in a day when you CAN eat 3000. It is not like this thing has efficient low power components. It's just an amalgamation of the highest end parts in one package.

All it gives you is gloating power, as in "I shelled out a lot for this and you can't".


If it's behind the curve in 6 months, it's a boat (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449012)

I don't understand why people buy super-high-end performance laptops. You pay a huge power, weight and cost premium for a laptop that will be top-o-the-line for very little time, and you can't upgrade it when that time passes.

They're a lot cheaper than boats or fancy cars, and they work a lot better. Plus, you can expense them if you're a consultant - I used to expense my computers when I ran a play-by-mail game business in Canada, including my Apple II+ and software for it. Not the game software, unless it was for research (I kid you not, the best ideas are stolen).

Re:and it'll be behind the curve in 6 months (1)

PhotoBoy (684898) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449360)

Actually both graphics cards are MXM modules and there's bound to be spare space for more RAM so I would imagine this thing could be upgraded and kept current for a few years before the CPU is too slow and the memory bandwidth is too narrow.

His battery is slain, and all on AC he fights (4, Interesting)

w33t (978574) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448608)

Act V. Scene IV.

"A fuel cell, a fuel cell, my kindom for a fuel cell!"

SLI in laptops! So neat, but so...immobile. Portable, yes. But only within the range of the extension cord. Perhaps when that day comes when we get better mobile power sources we will not come to expect reduced (even if slightly) functionality from our personal devices. When that day comes we will come to expect only greatly increased prices!

Music wants to be free [myspace.com]

Re:His battery is slain, and all on AC he fights (1)

Rolo Tomasi (538414) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448677)

Considering the weight of this thing, you might as well strap a portable generator to your back as well. The roar of the laptop's fans will probably drown out the engine noise, too.

Re:His battery is slain, and all on AC he fights (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448697)

Vacuums are also mostly portable, but only within reach of an extension cord. Does that mean they're useless, or just for a specific type of use? I lean more towards the second answer.

Re:His battery is slain, and all on AC he fights (1)

w33t (978574) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448766)

I agree that there is certainly usefulness in having a powerful computer simply made into a form which can rest on your lap. But I would argue that full mobility will always be more useful. After all, wouldn't it be nice to bring a vacuum camping to clean out the tent before you roll it up? Additionally, if a roomba required a power cord its functionality would be greatly hindered.

Nonetheless, I agree with you that requiring a power cable by no means trounces the function of a device. But it would be nice to do away with.

Music wants to be free [myspace.com]

Heh (2, Interesting)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448650)

With a 2.4GHz AMD Turion64 processor, SLI and a 17" panel, this machine has more horsepower and features than many high end Desktop setups."

Yea, probably cost alot more too.

Re:Heh (1)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448829)

Thanks for your precious insight. I look forward to your future commentaries, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Missplaced purpose? (2, Interesting)

BigFootApe (264256) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448665)

I've always had my doubts about desktop replacement laptops. Usually, they're absolutely massive beasts with inferior battery life and a large price tag. Even then, they don't have the performance of a much cheaper desktop.

To me, adding SLI to a DR laptop is just another draw on the battery with diminishing returns in performance. Does someone have a contrary opinion they'd like to share?

Re:Missplaced purpose? (4, Insightful)

bigtrouble77 (715075) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448801)

These machines are not supposed to replace laptops and they really aren't meant to run off the battery very frequently.

What they are meant for is transporting a VERY powerful machine easily. The reality is that with this machine you have very powerful processing, a very high end lcd screen (you can't even buy a wuxga screen for a desktop), a built in UPS, keyboard and mouse all in one compact package.

I have a Sager 9750 and almost never run it on battey. But I do use it for work as my primary machine where I use Maya, photoshop and eclipse. I need a wuxga screen for my eclipse work, and you simply can't get one for a desktop. When I bring the machine home I can play any game I want as the graphics adapter is very powerful and upgradable.

Finally, I have gentoo running on a second 100gb hd which I use about 50% of the time. The machine does absolutely everything, it's extremely portable and it has features (17" wuxga) that desktops don't. The killer functionality is that I can have my main machine with me where ever I go (as long as there's an ac outlet) and I don't have to make any compromises.

Re:Missplaced purpose? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15448834)

I need a wuxga screen for my eclipse work, and you simply can't get one for a desktop.

Yes, you can. All the 24" widescreen displays are WUXGA. like apple's 24" Cinema, or Dell's 2405 or 2407fwp.

Re:Missplaced purpose? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15449261)

FYI, Apple's display is actually 23", not 24". Most non-Dell WUXGA displays are also 23".

Re:Missplaced purpose? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15448972)

Uh, there are a ton of WUXGA desktop monitors. I can get a WQXGA screen (or a couple of them) for my desktop. Show me a laptop that can do that smartass.

(WQXGA would be 2560x1600 as in Dell's 30" LCD)

Re:Missplaced purpose? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15449160)

There's quite a few WUXGA desktop monitors. Apple's 23", Dell's 24", HP's got a couple of 23" ones, etc. Nothing with anything like the pixel density you can get on a laptop (94-98 PPI vs 133-147 PPI), unfortunately.

SLI on a laptop? (0, Flamebait)

goofyspouse (817551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448670)

I must just be getting old. Why the HELL would anyone even want to do this? To prove that he has no use for a woman? To show that he has more money than sense? I really just do not get it.

People with too much money that love LAN parties (1)

blueZ3 (744446) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448835)

Honestly, if I were as into playing multiplayer games today as I was in college, I could see buying one of these (assuming I decided the price was reasonable). I used to have a lot of fun playing Age of Empires and other RTS games with friends on my (for the time) high-end Gateway laptop. It was cool because by carrying my laptop I brought my machine and display with me to the friends' house where there were three guys and three computers. If I hadn't been able to bring my machine, we couldn't have played and I wasn't interested in lugging a CRT and ATX case along.

That said, the price is pretty steep. I find myself wondering not "what's the use of this machine" but more "how can the target users afford it?"

How about... (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449132)

...someone that needs top-end 3D acceleration, but needs to be mobile at the same time? People keep missing the real point of these machines- it's not to be a laptop in the sense of running for hours on end, it's for the purposes of packing an insane amount of power into as small a package as is possible so it's much more mobile.

WUXGA screen...check.
High-end CPU (While not the top from the desktop perspective, it's still hot)...check.
High-end GPU...check.

Seems to me that these machines would be great for a games developer, say like Ryan Gordon, or myself. :-)

I don't just do consulting work out of my house- I do it all over the place, so I need something like this.


But in the same breath, it doesn't make sense for most people to be buying things like this new laptop or any of them in it's class. Too much money spent on something that could cost less and do what they honestly need it to do- whether it be a desktop machine or laptop.

Who is dominic and what did he do with my article! (0, Offtopic)

Mindragon (627249) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448719)

Server Error in '/' Application.

Too many connections

Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.

Exception Details: QueryErrorException: Too many connections

Source Error:

An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current web request. Information regarding the origin and location of the exception can be identified using the exception stack trace below.

Stack Trace:

[QueryErrorException: Too many connections]
FuseTalk.Tools.Data.Query.RunQueryNoResult() in C:\Documents and
Settings\dplouffe\Desktop\dominic\Database\Query .cs:177
HotHardware.Global.Application_BeginRequest(Object sender, EventArgs e)

System.Web.SyncEventExecutionStep.System.Web.Htt pApplication+IExecutionStep.Execute() +60
System.Web.HttpApplication.ExecuteStep(IExecutionS tep step, Boolean&
completedSynchronously) +87

Re:Who is dominic and what did he do with my artic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15448761)

That would be Dominic Plouffe. I think I dated his sister in High School.

I used to wish for a coast-to-coast laptop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15448722)

Now I settle for one that runs just long enough to reach cruising altitude.

The names of the review site is apt... (1)

sherpajohn (113531) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448725)

...since right about now the servers hosting it are on FIRE!!!!!

I made it to about the 4th page before I got an error about too many connections ;)

Windows tax (1)

keesh (202812) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448745)

Unfortunately, Alienware refuse to sell systems without Windows installed. This means you're shelling out ~$70 for something you may not be using, or may already own. Tough luck for them, because I was looking for a semi-portable Unix workstation and ended up buying from Hypersonic instead.

Re:Windows tax (1)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448805)

Unix, or Linux?

How much did you pay?

This message brought to you by SuSE running on a MacBook Pro :-)

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Not for everyone...NO!? (2, Insightful)

cyngus (753668) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448812)

Of course this computer isn't for everyone, but if you do the LAN party thing, then this is much more convenient than dragging around a desktop. Maybe you just want your computer to take up less space, could it be, could it?! If Apple didn't make the Mini it would be an easy decision for me that I would buy a 'Book because perhaps the most appealing thing to me is not portability of a computer, but that it doesn't take up much space and can be easily moved if I want to use the space for something else. Stop automatically crying, "Why would anyone do this, its hot, its expensive, if not as powerful...blah...blah...blah," engage your brain, think, and you might just discover that while this machine is not for everyone it has utility for some. Everything is about tradeoffs and for some this machine makes the right ones.

Half the weight of the competition. (1)

djtachyon (975314) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448871)

I'm amazed every time I see a new alienware product. The only other products coming close are VooDooPC. Problem is that Voodoo's laptops are TWICE the weight at a hefty 13-16 lbs and you get less( apart from the 19" screen.)!

Recent Reviews:
http://resource.voodoopc.com/images/default/review s_images/PDF/wired_524_art.pdf [voodoopc.com]
http://resource.voodoopc.com/images/default/review s_images/PDF/gi_524_art.pdf [voodoopc.com]
(Warning PDF Links)

A Dell in Wolf's Clothing? (1)

runlevel 5 (977409) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448887)

With Dell's recent purchase of Alienware, does that mean this is simply a Dell system? I don't know whether Dell did the R&D for this machine, but I've been pretty disappointed with the durability & longevity of their recent laptops.

Re:A Dell in Wolf's Clothing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15449019)

Don't you mean a Dell in sheeps clothing?

Why would Alienware not use a Yonah? (1)

Glasswire (302197) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448900)

The Intel Core Duo T2700 at 2.3Ghz would smoke that Turion. Yeah, it's not 64-bit (Merom's this summer) but Alienware can't put more than 2GB in that box anyway, so addressing more than 4GB is pretty meaningless, huh? And the Core cpu and Intel chipset will get much better battery life (anything with that monster screen needs all the battery life help it can get)

Re:Why would Alienware not use a Yonah? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448973)

not to start a fanboi war but ....

AMD is coming out with new mobile chips too...

Besides there is more to x86-64 than "48 bit addresses". People like you just like the shiny cover words. How about "twice the GPRs" and "twice the SIMD registers"?

Though I agree, MCW chips will be neat to play with. I'm looking foward to grabbing one for a desktop when they're not too too expensive [mmm benchmarking...]


Re:Why would Alienware not use a Yonah? (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449161)

Here's a hint for you...

The display being bigger doesn't consume much more than the 15" displays on other laptops. The LCD consumes little, and the backlights might be a little longer and consume more power- but it's minimal compared to the CPU and disk consumption rates (And in the case of this laptop, the GPU rate as well...).

The big complaint I've got about the new Intel Core offerings is that it's not really 64-bit and I need that- and battery life is only part of the equation. Overall capabilities are also paramount for me. So far, the Intel laptop offerings give well enough on the battery front, but don't give as well as the AMD equivalents computationally. Your mileage may vary on that one.

Horsepower, you say? (1)

xx01dk (191137) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448923)

Horsepower is right, especially when you're shopping for the generator you're going to have to lug around just to power the damned thing for more than a couple of hours of Oblivion...

Shoulda used it as a webserver (0, Offtopic)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448944)

Server Too Busy
HttpException (0x80004005): Server Too Busy]
System.Web.HttpRuntime.RejectRequestInternal(HttpW orkerRequest wr) +148
Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:1.1.4322.2300; ASP.NET

Guess they should have reviewed it as a webserver, instead.

New category needed (1)

spazoidspam (708589) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448952)

No longer can 2 categories work. We need more then "desktop" and "laptop". Now we have these machines which sport full-size keyboards and 17-inch screens, but have low battery life and are heavy. They are much more portable then a desktop, but not as portable as traditional laptops. They serve a very important use. I use one at work, and I bring it home with me every night so I can work there if needed. This is much simpler then having a desktop at home, and another one at work, and there is no way I could stand working off a compact laptop keyboard and tiny screen.

Not really... (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449178)

We already HAD a third catagory- "portable". We also had "handheld", but both of the catagories faded into obscurity because of marketing wonks that thought they were pase.

Speaking of dual monitors... (1)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 7 years ago | (#15448962)

Cool notebook. Brings up an unrelated topic I want to ask you (yes, you) about: Remote Mouse Protocol (RMP).

On my desktop I have two computers, a Mac (PowerBook G4) and a Dell Inspiron 5150, and two monitors. While the extended desktop on the Mac works flawlessly, I am constantly frustrated when I try to use the sam mouse to reach the other computer (of course, this makes perfect logical sense as to why it does not work, it just frustrates me that it doesn't work). What I want to do: mouse my mouse not only to different monitors on the same computer but to different monitors with different computers on my desk (though, not necessarily limited to "on my desk").

Then, a thought: I share files via SMB protocol between the systems as if the hard drive of the other machine were local...why not the mouse coordinates -- and if the mouse coordinates, why not the contents of the clipboard? Thus the idea for Remote Mouse Protocol was born!

Abstract: a network protocol to share the coordinate values of a Human Interface Device, such as a mouse, between systems. Also, clipboard contents could be shared between systems (perhaps on special request only?). Each system would configure its "screen boundary" similar to the way dual monitors are configured today and upon breaching the edge of an aptly configured screen the RMP would be invoked and mouse coordinates would be communicated to the properly configured network address. The remote machine would treat the RMP as a local mouse for all intents and purposes. Thus seamless mouse control between disparate machines would be allowed.

Drats. I shoulda patented this first, huh? :-)

Re:Speaking of dual monitors... (4, Informative)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449051)

You want Synergy [sourceforge.net] for the keyboard, mouse, and clipboard sharing. Move your mouse to the right edge of LinuxComputer1 and it moves over to the left edge of WindowsComputer2. For the file sharing stuff you're on your own though.

Re:Speaking of dual monitors... (1)

egomaniac (105476) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449112)

Sounds like you're talking about Multiplicity [stardock.com], although unfortunately it is Windows-only. Does everything else you want, though, and it's really well implemented.

and yet people are starving in africa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15449041)

how can you live with yourselves?

not the first/only maker (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449197)

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/ntbkx64sli.asp? v=d [cyberpowerpc.com]
AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-40 / ML-44 / MT-40
1024KB or 512KB On-die L2 Cache

Core Logic
nVIDIA nForce4 SLI (CK804)

1024MB expandable to 2048MB DDR400


Disk Storage
- Hard Disk Drive
SATA I / II Interface
Detachable 2.5" 9.5mm SATA150 Hard Disk Drive
- Built-in 4-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MSPRO/SD/MMC)

19" (16:10) WSXGA+ (1680x1050) Glare Type
PCI-Express 16x Video Card
Dual nVIDIA GeForce Go 7800 GTX 256MB GDDR3 (in SLI)
Dual-View Display Capability

"Heatmeter" rating seems about right. . . (1)

stevarooski (121971) | more than 7 years ago | (#15449362)

It scored quite high on the "Heatmeter" scale at the end of the article. Two geforce chips? I imagine this baby would absolutely roast your lap.

i wonder what the battery life is in gaming? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15449430)

20 minuts max? Give me this system that is able to play games for 2 hours and I will buy it. Why arent batteries given more attention when reviewing laptops?
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