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Texas to Provide Online 'Bordercams'

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the where-do-I-live-now dept.

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Dr_Barnowl writes "The BBC reports that Texas intends to erect a network of online webcams at its border to Mexico. The intention is apparently to use viewers as a kind of distributed processing network, with a free phone number to report border-jumpers." From the article: "'A stronger border is what Americans want and it's what our security demands and that is what Texas is going to deliver,' Mr Perry said. The cameras will cost $5m (£2.7m) to install and will be trained on sections of the 1,000-mile (1,600km) border known to be favoured by illegal immigrants " Hey, it's working for Britain, right?

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Tags: redneck xenophobia (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453536)

redneck xenophobia

Re:Tags: redneck xenophobia (4, Insightful)

netwiz (33291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453835)

You do realize, that Mexico has a fence, with armed guards, at their southern border. And they shoot trespassers on sight.

Funny how that fact never makes it into the US media.

Re:Tags: redneck xenophobia (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453842)

How is it Redneck Xenophobia? These people are commiting a crime coming here. Let me ask you this- why would the US encourage millions of uneducated people, many of whom are illiterate in Spanish, not to mention English, to come here when there are millions of Indian, Chinese, Russian etc. Doctors, Engineers etc dreaming to come to the U.S.? Why would we want to encourage a welfare class to illegally migrate here? And by the way, calling anyone you don't agree with "racist" or "xenophobic" makes you look silly.... If someone is ant-criminal, how does it make them xenophobic?

Knee-jerk condescension (1)

stankulp (69949) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453870)

It must get tiring looking down your nose all the time.

MOD PARENT -1 (1)

chewedtoothpick (564184) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453883)

How is self defence xenophobia? If you had some other person "invading" your neither region and depositing their "people" wouldn't you complain too? That's about the least graphic I can make a good analogy of the situation. In reality the problem is that borders are there for a reason. I am sure you wouldn't want our influence spreading outward as you are obviously an Anti-American. Without our borders there as political boundaries, then our influence would spread as far as we want it to, and what would stop us from using our military prowess (read: everything in our power including nukes) to make everyone live by our way or the highway?

It's the same in reverse too, we don't want the corruption of the Mexican Government weeding it's way into ours more than it already has (read: Bush) and making us more like our third-world neighbor.

Redneck? (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453885)

"Redneck" is a slur against a group of people based on their skin color.

Slashdot (and everyone else) ought to be against that kind of thing.

Re:Tags: redneck xenophobia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453895)

A nation should have a right to screen the kinds of people entering their society according to whatever values they see fit. As a descendent of Irish immigrants who actually worked their asses of to become successful in America, I have absolutely no problem in shutting out any types of people from entering the country illegally - and I have no problem telling people that I do not think will make a good contribution to our society that they can't come in either.

distributed boarder guarding? (1)

Potor (658520) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453905)

Well, I'll be - distributed boarder guarding. Good thing it's not open source, I guess.

a wall (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453540)

why not build a big wall, 20 feet high, and thousand miles long?

Re:a wall (4, Funny)

Ankou (261125) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453616)

Because they cant get American labor to do it, they'd have to hire migrant workers. The irony.

Re:a wall (1)

mr_rattles (303158) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453681)

Yeah! And then remove all of the wood, metal, and fabric from Mexico so they can't build ladders and ropes to climb over it!

Re:a wall (2, Insightful)

CheshireCatCO (185193) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453907)

Because then people will just find 21-foot ladders. If you can't patrol the wall properly, it's nearly useless and a terrible waste of money. As long as there's an incentive to cross the border and people can find a way across that's worth the cost, they'll come. Which points to the smart solution, I think.

On the other hand, we could build the wall. And then a future Mexican president can stand by the wall and demand that the US bring down that wall. The circle will be complete, although the irony will probably be unappreciated.

Can there be remote sniper rifles, too? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453542)

Quake 3 is open sourced, just use the game as a GUI.

The illegal immigration problem would go away in days!

Re:Can there be remote sniper rifles, too? (0, Flamebait)

Amouth (879122) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453571)

well the private sector can set this up (if shooting border jumpers isn't illegal)
 
  http://www.engadget.com/2004/11/17/internet-huntin g-coming-to-texas/ [engadget.com]

Remote Snipers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453621)

Does anyone own land just past the fence, or is it public? If it's the former, get yer rifles loaded boys!

Feature requests (3, Insightful)

ntijerino (306851) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453783)

Shouldn't there be a way to tell if anybody else is watching that camera so that you don't have everybody watching just one camera while the rest of the cameras go unwatched? I just skimmed the article, but I didn't see any mention of that feature.

There is a key difference (5, Insightful)

drp (63138) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453548)

These cameras will be publicly viewable by anyone on the internet, not just The Authorities.

I have absolutely no problem at all with 100% public surveillance, as long as all of the video feeds are available to any person at any time, and not just Big Brother.

also, for further reference... (1)

drp (63138) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453574)

I suggest that anybody interested in this topic read 'The Transparent Society' by David Brin - he covers this issue, plus quite a bit more while making some excellent points.

Re:also, for further reference... (5, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453646)

I'm always absolutely baffled by people who use words like "Privacy" to discuss people watching things that are done in public. You have no privacy in public. When you're in public, passers-by, cameras, the police, CIA satellites, nosy neighbours and anyone with a telescope can all see you.

That's why "Public" is the opposite of "Private".

If you want privacy for your actions, do them in private. It's not rocket science.

(The clue is in the words: "Privacy" is to "Private" as ..... is to "Public").

Re:also, for further reference... (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453805)

(The clue is in the words: "Privacy" is to "Private" as ..... is to "Public").

Ummmm, Pube?

Re:There is a key difference (1)

thelost (808451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453607)

I have a problem with the public being employed to be fingermen, and to do a job which should be the governments responsibility.

maybe this guy should watch a bit more closely http://www.youtube.com/v/5gP8nHSJnKw [youtube.com]

Re:There is a key difference (1, Redundant)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453618)

I have absolutely no problem at all with 100% public surveillance, as long as all of the video feeds are available to any person at any time, and not just Big Brother.

When the entire populace is asked to police themselves, you end up with people writing anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to the gestapo.

(and I hereby verify Godwin's law in 10 seconds flat. beat that...)

Re:There is a key difference (2, Insightful)

Reverberant (303566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453776)

When the entire populace is asked to police themselves, you end up with people writing anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to the gestapo.

...and when the authorities police us with no oversight, you face a lack of accountability. [wikipedia.org] There has to be middle ground somewhere.

Slight Difference (5, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453565)

Hey, it's working for Britain, right?

There's a subtle, but important, difference. Britain's cams look in while Texas's cams look out. If Texas tried to spy on its citizens the same way that Britain does (not that I'm saying that Brits necessarily mind the camera), the Texans would blow them away with 20 gauge shotguns.

Re:Slight Difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453602)

12 gauge shotguns with high velocity slugs. They're not pansies in Texas!

Re:Slight Difference (1)

spxero (782496) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453629)

I prefer 3" mags- much better range and penetration.

Re:Slight Difference (1)

trybywrench (584843) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453673)

If Texas tried to spy on its citizens the same way that Britain does (not that I'm saying that Brits necessarily mind the camera), the Texans would blow them away with 20 gauge shotguns.

As a Texas resident I can guarantee you we wouldn't use a 20 gauge. Most likey we'd use a 12 gauge ..or a 30-06.

Re:Slight Difference (1)

KimmoA (975372) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453887)

Sure you wouldn't go directly for your .50 BMG? ;)

Re:Slight Difference (1)

cyberformer (257332) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453698)

They said the same thing about the illegal phone tapping: that it was just for international calls. Now we learn that it's actually for all calls.

Texans are already being spied on by their government, as are all Americans.

Re:Slight Difference (4, Insightful)

drp (63138) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453773)

You know, I probably dislike Bush as much as you do, but I have to correct you here. From what has been released in the press (which, of course, could be wrong, but we have no reason to doubt it), domestic-to-domestic calls have not been listened to without a warrant. All that has been done (and I'm not saying that it isn't sketchy) has been an identity-less correlation of mass amounts of calling patterns, with no contents of calls being recorded or listened to.

I suspect we are both on the same side, but you lose credibility when you are factually incorrect, and thus getting it right strengthens your argument.

Re:Slight Difference (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453699)

the Texans would blow them away with 20 gauge shotguns.

Which is why they banned guns in the UK, well that and the other Government things that we would blow away.

Re:Slight Difference (1, Interesting)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453732)

There's a subtle, but important, difference. Britain's cams look in while Texas's cams look out.

The moral of the story here ladies and gents, is that its fine to spy on your neighbours, but not upon your family.

If Texas tried to spy on its citizens the same way that Britain does (not that I'm saying that Brits necessarily mind the camera), the Texans would blow them away with 20 gauge shotguns.

Demonstably incorrect. Texas already has cameras in public, and already has legislation allowing for secret camera locations.

Sorry, your going to have to find another state for your hard-man scenarios. Texans rolled over as quickly & quietly as the brits did.

The Newer Colossus (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453567)

I've composed a little poem to be enscribed on your border wall. In honour of Ms Lazarus, its called "The Newer Colossus":

        "Give me your tired, your poor,
        Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
        The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
        Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
        I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
        PS: No Mexicans"

Re:The Newer Colossus (2, Insightful)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453604)

We would prefer they not enter intending to work and consume taxpayer funded services unless they're actually documented and paying taxes. Most of them just jump the fence and do whatever the hell they want letting the rest of us pick up the tab on already mounting deficits.

Re:The Newer Colossus (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453806)

Well, I imagine the Native Americans didn't care for differently colored people coming in and sucking all their resources dry either.

Ain't karma a bitch.

But yes, caring for your fellow man -- regardless of his means and skin color -- is what I expect civilised people do, especially those that pretend to follow the teachings of Christ, such as the Republican Party. Did the Good Samaritan check the legal status of the man that he helped?

If your country no longer wants the world's poor huddled masses, can I suggest you take that misleading sign down from New York harbour?

Re:The Newer Colossus (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453875)

Actually, in the Good Samaritan story, it would have been the Samaritan himself who would have been the illegal person. Samaritans were considered lower than dirt, Jesus was making the point that a good person is a good person, even if he's a member of a downtrodden and discriminated against group. Here's the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] .

Oh, and Republicans don't worship Jesus, they just say they do. I think their true gods are Mammon, Dagon, and Mars.

Re:The Newer Colossus (1)

LiLWiP (918943) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453933)

We still welcome immigrants. We want them to go through due processes to get in the country! It is the illegal immigrants that are the problem. As a previous poster said, if they want to come to the country LEGALLY, pay taxes, get health insurance, etc... we have no problem with them. I don't want to pay inflated medical expenses cause Julio jumped the border with his 15 kids and wife and went to the emergency room to get a bandaid for his finger that he cut working in someones lawn getting paid cash under the table.

Immigration laws have been put into effect to allow the poor, tired masses to come to the US for a better life. People subverting those laws and hopping the border are just common criminals and deserve no better treatment than the guy who steals from the drugstore/convenience store/insert store here.

Re:The Newer Colossus (0, Flamebait)

goldspider (445116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453888)

Of course, GP already knows this, but rather chooses to use emotional rhetoric to justify illegal immigration. Either that, or GP doesn't differentiate between "guest" and "trespasser".

Re:The Newer Colossus (1)

netwiz (33291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453865)

I wonder what the immigration laws are like in your country. I'd bet that if I came over there as an illegal immigrant, I'd be denied work, and deported as soon as the relevant authorities became aware of my presence.

Re:The Newer Colossus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453877)

Legally enter the country.
Pay income tax to the state and government.
Pay for health insurance.
Get a driver's licence and buy automobile insurance.

That's all I ask - no matter where you're from.

Legal workers do also get basic government protection - guarantee of a minimum wage and social security income when they retire.

Illegal workers are using government services without supporting them. Their children freeload in government-funded schools. They pollute the healthcare system by being unable to pay their medical bills, forcing rates up for the rest of us (there's no hospital that would refuse emergency treatment - but everyone else pays). And the number of uninsured - and unlicenced - motorists in some states is dangerously high, forcing up the rates for those who *do* pay.

We have a system of rules and government. I have nothing against immigrants that obey the rules - we're a nation of immigrants, my own family included. But I have problems with people who enjoy the benefits of society, politics and government - without contributing and supporting it.

No country in the world would knowingly permit a non-citizen to enter undocumented, work tax-free, use government services and ignore federal and state laws. Why is it any different in the US?

Re:The Newer Colossus (1)

CodeMasterPhilzar (978639) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453922)

No, Mexicans welcome. As legal immigrants. You don't like the immigration procedures, change them. Legally. Don't ignore them. Else hey, why not just ignore any other laws or procedures we find inconvenient or problematic?


What I'm concerned about is this... This plan opens up a whole new realm for neighborhood busybodies. To paraphrase Mr. T - I pitty the {fool} ie. the men and women who'll have to answer 624 hysterical calls when one kid is caught on video crossing the border.

Feature request for v1.1 (5, Funny)

JonTurner (178845) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453572)

Now, if only we could add a web interface to a sentry gun...

It's a Video Game. It's National Security. It's two, TWO, two games in one!

Re:Feature request for v1.1 (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453676)

Like this? [recordonline.com]

Sure, many states are passing laws banning remote hunting of animals, but I haven't seen humans included in the bans on remote hunting.

Re:Feature request for v1.1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453708)

Live-Shot [live-shot.com] has done something similar. <joke>Texas could raise money to cover the cost of illegals already in the country by selling licenses to hunt those attempting to come in illegally now.</joke>.

Jim

Don't Laugh (was Re:Feature request for v1.1) (2, Interesting)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453709)

Now, if only we could add a web interface to a sentry gun...

I give you, the next generation of border security enhancements [bbc.co.uk] . Note where this set-up is located.

Cameras on private ranches. (4, Funny)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453582)

The BBC article doesn't mention what some other articles [chron.com] do: The cameras are to be on private land.

I now have a new 'worst imaginary job':
Me: Knock, knock

Private Texan Ranch Owner: Yup?

Me: I'm from the government, I'd like to place these cameras on your land, so that people on the internet can....
(I can't ever see that sentence being finished)

Re:Cameras on private ranches. (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453765)

Sad fact is that too many of those people wouldn't object to it as long as it was their favored political party asking to put in the cameras.

Re:Cameras on private ranches. (1)

LordKazan (558383) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453853)

yup - far to many american's first alliegence is to their political hackery and their personal whims and fears than to the country and the constitution.

Unbelievable! (4, Funny)

w33t (978574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453584)

The government is even invading the privacy of whole other countries!
--
Music should be free [myspace.com]

"What Americans want" (2, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453585)

A stronger border is what Americans want

Says who? I suspect an honest poll of real-life ordinary Americans would reveal that they want affordable social security, the end of the war in Iraq, sensible energy policies and a range of other things first...

Re:"What Americans want" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453615)

Not me, you are wrong.

Re:"What Americans want" (5, Informative)

lbrandy (923907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453651)

Says who? I suspect an honest poll of real-life ordinary Americans would reveal that they want affordable social security, the end of the war in Iraq, sensible energy policies and a range of other things first...

Feel free to browse here [pollingreport.com] to see what Americans think the biggest problems are. War in Iraq, gas prices, immigration are all high on every poll...

Re:"What Americans want" (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453707)

I want free beer.

And my daughter would like a pony, too.

And maybe world peace...but since I'm an intellectual, I know deep down that it would hurt the economy to have a slowdown in the defense sector, so in reality that world peace thing is just in case I grow a couple of boobs, lose 20 years, 60 pounds, and decide to enter the Miss America pagent.

I'm sure stonger borders in somewhere on my list, I just think it may be on another page...somewhere in the 200s I suspect.

This is just what Americans want (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453710)

I disagree. Most Americans feel entitled to all the world's resources at the best prices, and don't like any competition where they are not guaranteed to come out on top. My couch potato friends are constantly shamed by 3rd-worlders who come over here with nothing and no language skills, and turn simple hard work into assets. A Thai I know, just bought a simple rowhouse in Philly with the cash she made busting her butt for about 7 years. This infuriates my lazy friends. This is not the American way. The American way should first pay off the entitled, lazy American slackers. These open borders are way too rewarding to hard workers for most of my friends to stomach.

Re:"What Americans want" (4, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453764)

A stronger border is what Americans want

Says who?

Says me! You have no idea how scared I am of those filthy Canadians sneaking across the border to take advantage of our healthcare system and steal all our good beer.

Re:"What Americans want" (1)

MikeyTheK (873329) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453794)

I'd just like a couple of Jessica Simpson nude pinups...please.

Re:"What Americans want" (1)

mctk (840035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453934)

Agreed. And I think America has made it quite clear that we want illegal immigrants. We can claim to hate them all we want, but until we stop hiring them, I won't believe it.

doing the jobs the government doesnt want to do (2, Insightful)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453598)

Just as illegal immigrants "do the jobs americans don't want to do"(sic), now we have texans doing the jobs the government doesnt want to do.

way to feed people's obsessive compulsive disorder government!

Seriously, i can only see people fanatically obsessed willing to stare at a screen of nothing but desert for hours on end to report the evil job stealing border jumpers... that is while theyre not tapping the walls trying to find the martians out to roast them with laser beams.

Re:doing the jobs the government doesnt want to do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453880)

"Seriously, i can only see people fanatically obsessed" (sic)

Give them a cash reward for information leading to arrests and you will have fanatically obsessed.

Great! (4, Insightful)

hweimer (709734) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453601)

Now drug smugglers and other criminals finally have the possibility to find out in advance where the cameras are located and avoid being seen.

Minutemen Online (1)

crow (16139) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453611)

So while the government complained about the Minutemen watching the border, they're now creating what is essentially the same thing, only online.

Note to Self (2, Insightful)

42sd (557362) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453625)

Before crossing border illegally, tell the authorities to check on the other side of the state.

Sure it's hopefully not intended as something for rapid response, but if they are going to use just regular people its something that can be manipulated, and why even bother.

Re:Note to Self (1)

Enzo the Baker (822444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453768)

Before crossing border illegally, tell the authorities to check on the other side of the state.

You don't think the authorities would verify the activity on the same webcam before sending in the cavalry?

How Long... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453635)

before the Eborder-jumpers just start hanging out in view of their very opwn free webcams and start crying and stripping like true webcammers?

Re:How Long... (1)

jomegat (706411) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453863)

Lessee, Bubba's monitoring the border cam, and this one has some hot nekkid action going on. Which one is Bubba gonna watch? Another way to thwart this plan would be for migrant "sympathizers" to be constantly calling in false alarms. Having the public monitor border cams is truly an idiotic plan.

Outsource (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453641)

Why not outsource the 'Bordercam' watching to India or China?

Re:Outsource (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453654)

Or Mexico...

Re:Outsource (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453701)

Hey thats a great idea. Let me start on a business plan.

What an amazing coincidence... (3, Funny)

sczimme (603413) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453648)


From the BBC article:

Mr Perry, a Republican, is running for re-election in November.

I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do with the grandstanding^W pandering^W honest effort to do what's best.

Besides, once someone identifies people crossing the border and "notifies the authorities", then what?

Hoo boy... (5, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453649)

Not only do illegal immigrants have to jump fences, ford rivers, and risk life and limb.. now they have to camwhore as well.

I can see the AIM bots now.. "Hola! Click here to see me and my girlfriends have wild parties, hide from border patrols, and dodge farmers' bullets! Tee-hee! ;-)"

response times? (2, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453665)

What sorts of response times are we looking at? Suppose I saw someone run across the frame and reported it. How long would it take the officials to get there to deal with it? And what do you want to bet that the description that most callers report is going to be along the lines of "Well, he looked like a dirty Mexican"?

Cash rewards??? (1)

$1uck (710826) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453672)

Now, just think for a moment if they offered rewards for reporting illegal immigrants. Nothing too spendy. Something really cheap, affordable, like illegals. We could have teams of illegals watching the border through webcams. Brilliant!

Not exactly the same. (1)

twbecker (315312) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453704)

Hey, it's working for Britain, right?

Of course here we aren't watching our own citizens. . .

Sure it is (1)

rwade (131726) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453928)

In the linked article [slashdot.org] , it says that the public can view the streets of Britain through the cameras.

anyone else see a problem? (1)

mynameisnotnick (832452) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453705)

Group of immigrants is about to cross the border - group of immigrants calls into toll free number to report activity at a different crossing point.

Seems like a little cottage industry could form - maybe they could outsource the calls to an Indian call center...

-gary

Re:anyone else see a problem? (1)

tscheez (71929) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453827)

the 800 number operator wont see the cameras too?

Spying on each other (4, Insightful)

astrashe (7452) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453713)

I've been waiting for something like this -- something that gets ordinary people to spy on one another. I know people will say this is the border, and the people crossing aren't "us".

But I don't buy the distinction between "us" and the people crossing, and I don't believe this will stop at the border. Pretty soon we'll have the public looking for traffic violations, doing screen caps and scribbling down license numbers, infrared cams in parks looking for kids having fun at night, etc.

We can put cams outside of bars, and let people look for people coming out, staggering a bit, and getting into their cars. You don't support drunk driving do you? And it's all on a public street.

If we all spy on each other, we can live in a crime free paradise! Look how well that whole stasi thing worked out.

While we're talking about illegal immigration... (4, Interesting)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453715)

...it may be worthwhile to mention that India has already built 1300 miles of it's 2500 mile [alipac.us] fenced barrier along it's border with Bangladesh.

It may be noted (for those unfamiliar with the region's history/politics) that India has faced a considerable inflow of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh for more than a decade [wikipedia.org] . Moreover, unlike India-Bangladesh relations are not benign as the US-Mexico relations currently seem to be, with a number of alleged fundamentalist religious organizations from Pakistan using the porous border to carry out terrorist activities on Indian soil.

While the world's attention has been focused on the Israeli security barrier sealing off the West Bank, India has been building a far longer fence to keep out Islamic militants, thwart cross-border smuggling and stop human trafficking.

More than 1,300 miles of the barrier has been erected in the six years since building began. Snaking through jungles, rivers and the villages of five states, Delhi's floodlit, 12ft double fence packed with razor wire will render India a fortress against her neighbour.

This is not intended as flamebait, nor as a political rant. Just thought it might be useful to look at the steps other countries have been taking to combat unapproved/illegal immigration into their borders...probably from more hostile neighbors.

I for one think each piece of technology has it's own place where it works well. Just because we have the technology to stream live video via the intarw3b doesn't mean it can replace a relatively low-cost hard barrier (agreed though that the FTA claims this is a temporary solution).

Re:While we're talking about illegal immigration.. (2, Informative)

goldspider (445116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453938)

The Mexican government actively encourages their citizens to enter to the U.S. illegally, and often assists them in doing so. From my point of view, our relations are hardly "benign".

Calling all X10 webcam owners.... (2, Funny)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453724)

You know you're out there, you know you got suckered into buying a cheap $10 or $20 wireless webcam from X10 back in the late 90s.... now we all have a way to redeem ourselves ;-p

If we all dig out our old, useless X10s and donate them to the Fed, we can surely cover the entire border with motion activated, web enabled video surveillance... there has got to be millions of these little buggers out there... all the fed would have to do is wire them up.

Re:Calling all X10 webcam owners.... (1)

ajlitt (19055) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453884)

Why would the Federal Reserve [wikipedia.org] need cameras?

Demand side of equation (2, Informative)

smilemaster_12 (812877) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453752)

There is no need to spend billions on a fence or other border devices. All that is needed is a crackdown on the demand side of the equation. Shut down a few businesses that hire illegal workers, and the demand for them will dry up overnight. Far fewer illegal immigrants will spend the time to come here if there are no jobs for them.

Is the wall working? (1)

‹berhund (27591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453754)

Hey, it's working for Britain, right?


I dunno. I think that Hadrian's Wall [wikipedia.org] is actually drawing tourists [hadrians-wall.org] at this point, rather than keeping people out.

Re:Is the wall working? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453838)

Oh yeah? Just how many illegal Mexicans are crossing into Britain? Answer me that dog boy! Cameras, Hadrian's Wall, eating fish and chips, driving on the wrong side of the road - we need to try 'em all.

I've got an idea... (1)

OldeTimeGeek (725417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453767)

Real Reality TV! Just like Survivor! Only in this one, the last person left gets kicked off the island.

It'll be HUGE!

In Other News... (1)

Guysmiley777 (880063) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453774)

The Bush administration has announced that they are planning to protect New Orleans from another hurricane with millions of pasta strainers. A senior official was quotes as saying "We figure as long as we make a good show of having a ton of plastic bowls with holes in them on the levees the water will be discouraged and stay in the Gulf of Mexico."

Great idea... (0, Flamebait)

NIN1385 (760712) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453775)

This will save a lot of money by not having to hire government employees to watch these cameras. People will be fighting to watch these cameras and there will never be a shortage of people willing to help out. I do like the attached sentry gun idea a little more though. Once it got done shooting it would be cool if it said something like "Don't mess with Texas".

no more gardeners? (1)

Roadmaster (96317) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453786)

I guess you americans already have enough gardeners, farm helpers, construction workers and waiters, eh? truly, the way the US and Mexico act belies the official discourse about both countries being friends and associates. Sadly I believe we're burdened by two of the single most idiotic presidents in history, George W. Bush and Vicente Fox. Luckily for us Mexicans, Fox is leaving office this december. Hopefully whoever the new president is, will have a more sensible (at *all* sensible) foreign policy as well as measures to reduce the need for migration. And hopefully americans will realize that Mexico is a friendly country and pressure the Bush administration into looking at real solutions to the immigration "problem". Building fences and putting up cameras is *not* a solution.

In other news (1)

thelonestranger (915343) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453818)

Illegal immigrant caught on street corner selling stolen webcams.

Wow... (1)

den1188 (921042) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453837)

Only in the United States can the government turn an illegal immigration issue into a reality TV show.

Good. Illegal immigration is unfair (2, Informative)

Kohath (38547) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453843)

Illegal immigration is unfair to folks from other countries like China and India and other regions like South America, Africa, and SE Asia. These other folks can't just jump a fence or hike a few miles. They should have the same opportunities to immigrate to America as folks from Mexico if they want.

The law needs to be changed to make illegal immigration difficult and legal immigration a lot easier. Border enforcement is necessary for that.

What are they called? (1)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453857)

Are they going to call them Mexi-cams?

Stunning fact revealed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453866)

So it seems that Chuck Norris can't do everything on his own.

GIve up Texas (4, Funny)

misleb (129952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453867)

Wouldn't it be easier to just to hand over Texas to Mexico? I know I wouldn't miss it.

-matthew

Re:Give up Texas (1)

Kris_B_04 (883011) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453935)

Hmmm... what I would give if that woulda happened before Bush.. cuz ya have to be a US Citizen to be Pres, I believe..

but if it is done now, there would be no more Bush's or Texan's in the future!! (in government positions) until, of course, Mexico (and Texas) becomes an official state....

blah.

EXCELENTE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453882)

Now I'll know where the border patrol is before I leave the hacienda!!

~ Juan

Great! (1)

cheese-cube (910830) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453894)

Now maybe we'll be able to catch those crafty border-jumping Americans!

Headline from the future (1)

saddino (183491) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453904)

Cam Girl Wages Plummit

Three words: (1)

ajlitt (19055) | more than 8 years ago | (#15453909)

Kinky for Governor [kinkyfriedman.com] . Why the hell not?

Logic people...logic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15453915)

Why is there not a logical(computer) system in place. Eg. a system that uses motion sensors, heatsensors to detect movment on these stretchs of land.

You could have one operator covering hundreds of miles of video/still footage. If the system flags it, he just needs glace at it too see if it isa person, then he just hits a big red button and wham the security forces can go out there. The system would also know where to send the 'welcome' team as each camera has it's postion marked.

See, a simple system, even a high school programmer could write this softare.

What is wrong with the world and people, thinking up crap ideas for problems at hand like relaying videot to the world.

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