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Proposal to Implant RFID Chips in Immigrants

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the goes-over-like-a-ton-of-bricks dept.

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John3 writes "Some people are OK with voluntarily implanting themselves with RFID chips, but how about making RFID implantation mandatory for immigrant and guest workers? VeriChip Corporation chairman Scott Silverman has proposed implanting RFID chips to register workers as they cross the border. According to Silverman, 'We have talked to many people in Washington about using it...' Privacy advocates see this move by VeriChip as a way to introduce their product to Latin America after a lukewarm reception in North America. Would immigrant workers trade their privacy for the opportunity to work in the U.S.? If this type of tracking is enacted, how long before the government decides to start tracking others for various purposes (for example, pedophiles who are released from prison)?"

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Yay! (5, Informative)

alx5000 (896642) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455675)

Yay! Just like dogs! In case they get lost, any vet could read the RFID chip of your favorite immigrant/guest worker, and you could have him or her home in a matter of minutes!

BTW, that was sarcasm... NSA rapes your phones, and now this... makes me sick...

Re:Yay! (5, Insightful)

Digital Autumn (664952) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455737)

I bet Mr. Verichip is kicking himself that his company didn't exist back in the grand old days of slavery. He would have made a killing.

Re:Yay! (1)

Jason Hood (721277) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455771)

as a way to introduce their product to Latin America

One way or another, yeah...

Re:Yay! (1)

wcrowe (94389) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455911)

And it was good sarcasm too. I'd mod it funny. (Never have mod points when I need them)

Oh, hell yeah (1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455687)

HELL YEAH!

BASTARDS!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455688)

BTW, First post

Re:BASTARDS!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455994)

BTW, you're an idiot.

Spidey! (1)

Digital Autumn (664952) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455696)

Shouldn't these guys be using their Spidey tracers to track supervillians instead?

A Cautionary Tale (5, Insightful)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455702)



First they chipped the products,
    and I didn't speak up,
        because I was not a product.
Then they chipped the livestock,
    and I didn't speak up,
        because I was not livestock.
Then they chipped the house pets,
    and I didn't speak up,
        because I was not a house pet.
Then they chipped the immigrants,
    and I didn't speak up,
        because I was not an immigrant.
Then they chipped the felons,
    and I didn't speak up,
        because I was not a felon.

Then they chipped me,
    and by that time there was no one
        left to speak up for me.
(Apologies to Reverend Martin Niemoller)

Re:A Cautionary Tale (1)

Shut the fuck up! (572058) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455730)

Shut the fuck up, faggot.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (1, Insightful)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455739)

Oh come the fuck on - no one is forcing you to get a microchip placed in your dog. I have my cats and my dogs chipped - it's the only surefire way to ensure that your pet can be connected to you. It's not like the big bad government is coming to my house with a gun to my head saying "PUT A CHIP IN YOUR DOG'S NECK NOW!"

And the other two? Oh wait, haven't actually happened. Typical slashdot kneejerk paranoia.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (1)

PatrickThomson (712694) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455819)

oh, it's not mandatory, it'll just become more difficult/inconvenient without it. If an unchipped animal turns up, they probably just bin it rather than try to find the owner the old-fashioned way. You don't have to get chipped, but if you do, you'll get 3 cents off gas.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (3, Funny)

mkw87 (860289) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455864)

You don't have to get chipped, but if you do, you'll get 3 cents off gas.

I think you spelled 'dollars' wrong

Re:A Cautionary Tale (1)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455873)

Have you ever actually BEEN to an animal control facility? They do the exact same thing today that they did 15 years ago. They hold the animal for a prescribed amount of time. It is the owner's responsibility to claim the animal. It's always been this way. If the animal happens to have ID tags (the old fashioned kind) on its collar, they will call the phone number on the tags. Nothing has changed since they added chipping - it's just made the process a lot easier, because chips can't be removed by a person trying to claim your dog as their own, and a stray branch in the woods is unlikely to rip the chip off.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (4, Funny)

miskatonic alumnus (668722) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455949)

...chips can't be removed by a person trying to claim your dog as their own, and a stray branch in the woods is unlikely to rip the chip off.

Aha! But, your pet might be EATEN by another animal. This is how your favorite poodle can polymorph into a pit bull.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (5, Insightful)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455884)


You don't have to get chipped, but no loyal, patriotic citizen would conceiveably refuse...ergo, if you refuse, you automatically make the 'short list' of terror suspects.

The 'short list' is only called that by comparison...everybody is on the 'long list'.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (1)

Shut the fuck up! (572058) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455976)

I say again: Shut the fuck up, faggot.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (1, Insightful)

grammar fascist (239789) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455980)

For heck's sake, moderators, this is not a troll. Did you notice how he actually pointed out logical flaws in the grandparent's soppy poem? Here they are in a bulleted list, in case you were blinded by rage when you read the parent's "Troll":

  • No one is forcing you to get a microchip placed in your dog
  • Nobody has actually placed microchips in immigrants - VeriChip Corporation chairman Scott Silverman proposed it
  • Nobody has even proposed placing microchips in felons

But you know, if you're swayed by emotional words and slippery slopes that totally piggyback off real, great literature, I suppose you won't care.

Sheesh.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (3, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455804)

As a Mexican person who prays for never needing to go to the USA (I just went once to Disney World and Universal Studios), I say, fuck the USA government.

On the other hand, I think that the idea is hilarious, this reminded me of MI-3, they surely will have to implant those chips with those mini bombs. Because if they dont do it, I am completely sure immigrants (at least mexicans) will just "un-implant" the chips and put it in a secure place like their home or things like that. Do not underestimate the power of "Tepitenses" market where you surely will be able to "buy your personalized chip" .

I applaud the decission that the USA government recently took about immigrants, but what they must understand is that "A la fuerza, ni los zapatos entran. " (by force not even the shoes fit). They provide immigrants with regulations that makes them feel safe, so , why not, create some kind of "RFID National Health Immigrant Card", which they have to show to get Health services or things like that. In that way they will feel that the ID is going to give them a new service, and the government can use it to contrl them.

Oh, and please if you are from the USA do not get offended, it is nothing personal against citizens, its about the government :).

Re:A Cautionary Tale (1, Insightful)

lbrandy (923907) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455887)

Oh, and please if you are from the USA do not get offended, it is nothing personal against citizens, its about the government :).

None taken. No matter how much you think our government sucks, we think yours is worse. And we're right.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455905)

Oh, and please if you are from the USA do not get offended, it is nothing personal against citizens, its about the government :).

There are plenty of americans who worship their government. It is a kind of tribalism, like that which plagues the middle-east. Whether you intend to or not, you are insulting those people.

But, those people are a lot of what's wrong with the USA so go ahead and insult them.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455926)

please if you are from the USA do not get offended, it is nothing personal against citizens, its about the government

I salute you for not only realizing, but having the nerve to declare, that the government and the people are not one and the same. Here in the US, the average lemming is convinced that somehow individual citizens volunteer to be subject to coercion (as the "social contract" theory claims). This is as logical as the concept of coercing a person to volunteer -- absurd to say the least. You cannot volunteer to be coerced, just as you cannot be coerced to volunteer -- the concepts are mutually exclusive for a reason.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455982)

Too bad I can't vote for you for president.

Re:A Cautionary Tale (0)

corbettw (214229) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455990)

As a Mexican person who prays for never needing to go to the USA (I just went once to Disney World and Universal Studios), I say, fuck the USA government.

How ironic, I'm an American who knows he'll never need to go to Mexico, and I'm always saying "fuck the Mexican government."

wait a second.... (5, Insightful)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455706)

Before you go all "1984" on our asses, take a moment to stop and realize that this is the company that SELLS THE CHIPS making the proposal, NOT the government. What next, a company that makes bombs approving of a war? Or, shock and horror, a cigarette company talking about how harmless their product is? News flash: Guy who sells product proposes people use product. Film at 11.

Re:wait a second.... (4, Informative)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455779)


Before you go all "1984" on our asses, take a moment to stop and realize that this is the company that SELLS THE CHIPS making the proposal, NOT the government.

Are you sure about that? [newstandardnews.net]

Re:wait a second.... (3, Funny)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455805)

Right. Because handing someone an ID card with a chip in it is EXACTLY the same as sticking the chip in their neck.

Re:wait a second.... (1)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455948)


Not exactly, but it supports my assertion that the U.S. government is pursuing RFID technology for exactly these reasons. Embeded RFID chips will be more convenient, more difficult to lose, and more difficult to tamper with...given the demonstrated fact that the government is already pursuing RFID technology, and given the benefits of implantable RFID chips I outlined above, can you come up with a plausible reason they wouldn't pursue implantable RFID technology?

Re:wait a second.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455984)

Because they are completely different. I have to carry a passport around as ID. Making the jump to having to have the information tattoed on my forehead would be a slight leap.

Re:wait a second.... (1)

hoststalker (977103) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455807)

Exactly. It's like Oracle pushing for the national ID badge, so they can provide the database.

Now think for a second. (1)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455818)

We know what bombs are and what they do to people.

Now we are talking about a company that makes RFID chips. What are RFID chips and what do they do? Are they like a bar code that is used to track products in a store? Or are they like the serial number tattoos that the Nazis used to track people and process them appropriately?

Re:wait a second.... (5, Insightful)

realmolo (574068) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455825)

Well, you're right. HOWEVER, as we all know, money talks in Washington. If this company bribes the right politicians, and promises some kind of benefit to a given congressman's state, then it WILL happen.

Re:wait a second.... (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455954)

Of course, the real question is, do they require it of their employees? I will bet that not many would do it.

However, this is being flipped out from the company, because the republicans do not want to be the first to suggest it. Keep in mind, that shortly after GWB pushed his immigration policy with high-tech ID, it was quickly seen that it would not work unless everybody had it. Of course, within 5 days, a number of Republicans were pushing just that. IOW, GWB's push is to get us IDed (and possibly chipped).

Holy cow (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455708)

This is one of those moves thats so over the top you mentally check for april fools dates. This kind of thing always seems a bit far-fetched in sci-fi movies, let alone modern-day America. I hope some big names kick up a fuss over this, because whatever insane big brother actions the USA takes, our useless govt here in the UK copies soon afterwards.

Re:Holy cow (1)

lbrandy (923907) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455793)

I hope some big names kick up a fuss over this, because whatever insane big brother actions the USA takes, our useless govt here in the UK copies soon afterwards.

You guys came up with tracking every single car in your country through omnipresent mass surveillance and automatic license plate readers with data saved in a single central database all on your own. You guys are also leading the way on RFID license plate to aid in tracking drivers.. and America is looking to see how those experiments go before we subject our people to them. Need to give yourself some credit.

Re:Holy cow (1)

fireboy1919 (257783) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455874)

Sounds kind of like that idea from Coneheads. Remember?

The head INS agent/bad guy in the movie thought that they should make the mexican border an invisible fence.

Every time the catch an illegal immigrant, they put a coller on him and send him back home. Then when he tries to cross over again, he gets fried as the invisible fence causes the collar to electrocute him.

Funny stuff. This seems about as possible.

Re:Holy cow (1)

captainClassLoader (240591) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455903)

cliffski says:

This kind of thing always seems a bit far-fetched in sci-fi movies, let alone modern-day America.

This reminds me of that cringe-worthy scene in Total Recall [imdb.com] where Douglas Quaid sticks a set of pincers up his nostril and pulls out a glowing ping-pong ball sized tracking device, on advice from a video of himself running in his open briefcase.

Did they learn nothing from Guantanamo Bay? (4, Insightful)

Art Popp (29075) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455710)

If it's not O.K. to do something to the people of one's country, it's inappropriate to do it to foreigners.

Can this be more obvious?

Re:Did they learn nothing from Guantanamo Bay? (4, Insightful)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455841)


I fear that that's exactly the point they will be making. "Hey, we've been chipping immigrants for a while, and the program has yielded great benefits! The technology is proven, there's no reason we shouldn't have every U.S. citizen chipped!"

All entirely voluntary, of course...with the tacit understanding that anyone who refuses obviously has something to hide, and immediately becomes a 'terror suspect'...

...but this couldn't happen in the 'land of the free', right?

Re:Did they learn nothing from Guantanamo Bay? (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455872)


If it's not O.K. to do something to the people of one's country, it's inappropriate to do it to foreigners.

Considering everyone that was imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay is still there, with no hope or plans for actual trials, I'd say "they" haven't learned anything and show no signs of ever doing so.

Re:Did they learn nothing from Guantanamo Bay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455957)

Sure it's ok.
I pay the government to look after my interests and the interests of my countrymen. Not some Mexican that tries to sneak across the border.
If the government can help me by screwing over some other country I say do it.
Why should I care about someone else? They've got their government looking after them, I should have mine looking after me.

Yes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455993)

What they learned from Guantanamo bay is that no matter how inappropriate it would have been to do it to members of our own country, they can 100% get away with doing it to foreigners.

What the FUCK? (5, Insightful)

mg2 (823681) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455721)

Privacy advocates see this move by VeriChip as a way to introduce their product to Latin America after a lukewarm reception in North America.

Um, um, what? Just a marketing ploy? Just looking to get more market share?

In other news, The Burger King Corporation has finished constructing it's first run of biomechanical overlord drones. These drones have been shown to be capable of both mind control and world domination. Market Analysts see this as a ploy to increase the Whopper's market share, as the Big Mac has rapidly been gaining popularity.

Re:What the FUCK? (1)

Digital Autumn (664952) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455844)

Well Verichip does actually sell the chips already. It seems like a pretty transparent business ploy.

Tracking Pedophiles in Real Time (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455722)

I was all for tracking pedophiles in the neighborhood,
until I learned that my son is into older men. :-(

Business as usual (4, Interesting)

FooHentai (624583) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455723)

This isn't such a surprising strategy. If you can convince the masses to do something to the least favoured members of society, then you can start to gradually argue the case for doing it to everyone.

All they had to find was the lowest rung on the ladder of american society.

Surprised they didn't go with pedophiles TBH. It's probably because they were already on with the immigrant thing.

I think a saw a film about this once... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455724)

When the migrant's work permit expires, would the RFID chip start glowing [amazon.com] ?

all this will accomplish (2)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455725)

is to drive the ones that legally cross the border underground or to the places where the illegals cross.

what then? have drone aircraft flying the border strafing illegals with RFID bullets from a machinegun? :p

Re:all this will accomplish (1)

jimmydigital (267697) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455979)

Hmmm... I'm intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Fun, fun, for everyone! (1)

-Brodalco- (938695) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455726)

I suddenly wish I were a hacker. How fun would it be to get into somebody's personal info, and change thier name to something obscene, like "Ben Dover"?

Re:Fun, fun, for everyone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455920)

Yea, right. I'm sure it would be a ton of fun to sit around on a park bench for days on end until one person with one RFID chip just happened to stray within a few feet of you so you could grab the ID off of it. Then, all you'd have to do is manage how to get into the government's database so you could actually run some queries with it.

How does this solve the problem? (5, Insightful)

pavon (30274) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455728)

Isn't the problem with immigration that we have today due to those who enter our country illegally? How does this solve that problem? Only those legally immigrating would be tagged. It may even make the problem worse by motivating more people to risk entering the country illegally rather than be tagged if they enter legally.

Obscene violation of human rights: Check
Increased power given to government: Check
Does not help solve any real problem: Check

Sounds like another winner from the people that brought you the Real ID Card and Airline Profiling.

Re:How does this solve the problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455778)

Isn't the problem with immigration that we have today due to those who enter our country illegally?

Actually, it's both (originally) legal and illegal immigrants. The number of people over-staying their visas on an annual basis is strikingly large. The illegal immigrants (namely, Mexicans looking for a better life) are a drain on resources/wages/services/whatever... but by and large they're not looking to blow things up. The legal immigrants who disappear into society after their 9 months are up are a different type of security risk altogether.

Slippery Slope (4, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455733)

This is NOT a road we want to start down. This is just an excuse to start getting people okay with this (plus an election year anti-immigant pander-fest.) Next it will be, "Chip your kids to keep 'em safe," then "chip yourself and never have to carry credit cards!" then "chip yourself or we lock you up."

All right, I'm taking off my tinfoil hat now, but this is still a bad idea.

How 'bout a leash, bob? (1)

alexborges (313924) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455736)

Or a self exploding device... sheesh, bush and the republicans have fucked the american spirit so much that its very hard to recognize it in the current politcal landscape.

What? Irak aint enough to win the elections, lets fuck the mexicans a bit more (and we know they can take it!) and put THEM as the enemy for this year.

Fuck that. I hope Iran has a nuclear bomb by now so that these petty republicans get their enemy, win the elections again, and stop fucking with us for no other reason than convincing americans that there actually is some kind of "danger", close to their home, for which the republican party is the protection.

Re:How 'bout a leash, bob? (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455810)

sheesh, bush and the republicans have fucked the american spirit so much that its very hard to recognize it in the current politcal landscape

Well, if it was bush or someone in the administration proposing tis, your incoherant rant might almost have a little bit of substance.
But seeing as it is the guy who makes these things, VeriChip Corporation chairman Scott Silverman, ya think he might just be looking for some more market share?

Re:How 'bout a leash, bob? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455838)

you need some help dude, chill out.

Scanning Number 2,295,384... (1)

tds67 (670584) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455738)

So I take it we would be placing about 100,000,000 chip reading devices all along the U.S. - Mexico border?

Shock! Awe! (0)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455744)

Are we surprised that the guy selling the chips to be implanted is suggesting we use them? SHOCK! I bet he heard how there were millions of aliens here in the USA and thought, "boy, how about we chip them with my product! I'd make a fortune!" I bet a lot of companies have solutions for the immigration problem that involve buying their product. Way to catch on a buzzword, buddy!

This is what happens if you put COWBOYS to office (2, Funny)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455745)

They start 'branding' people.

Natural, as all they know about the outside world can be summarized as ; 'cows'

Americans. Stand up. It is your freedom on the line next.

Re:This is what happens if you put COWBOYS to offi (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455806)

Indeed.

Clearly we should have elected the pirates [piratpartiet.se] instead. :^D

Re:This is what happens if you put COWBOYS to offi (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455971)

That definitely would make a difference. Especially in regard to privacy, net neutrality and lives lost in iraq.

To be completely honest... (1)

NecroPuppy (222648) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455759)

I think they should track pedophiles any way feasable.

I'm not so much on the guest / immigrant worker part of this, but chipping a pedophile isn't anywhere close to the same catagory.

Re:To be completely honest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455857)

The best way to track pedophiles would be with a special mark on their tombstones.

Re:To be completely honest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455897)

No person deserves to be executed or electronically monitored, no matter what his crime. Period.

Re:To be completely honest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455986)

I have to disagree. I believe anyone who would sexually abuse a child should be put down. By keeping them alive we allow them to continue to be a threat to society. Even if we keep them in prison until they die they use up an available prison spot and continue to damage society by forcing us to pay to feed them and guard them. We also lose the deterrent affect that executing them would have on future pedophiles.

Re:To be completely honest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455937)

Slightly offtopic: sex offender registries have a huge honking granularity problem. A 19 year old arrested for boinking a 15 year old is listed exactly the same way as a 51 year old who did a 9 year old. And the 19 year old is going to spend a lot more years of life being shunned everywhere he goes.

privacy (1)

matt328 (916281) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455761)

Invasion of privacy can't get much more severe than having a goddamn computer chip implanted under your skin.

"I have been marked once, my dear and let me assure you, no needle shall ever touch my skin again."

Lucky (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455764)

They are lucky to be here. Implant all sexual predators and ex-felons too.

Not a privacy issue -- human RIGHTS issue! (1)

Manip (656104) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455767)

This is NOT a privacy issue ... These people's location, and place of work is already known as is when and how they cross the border... This is actually a human RIGHTS issue... Why should someone force you or even ask you to put an electronic device under your skin? The human body, and what you choose to do with it is your choice, that is an absolutely fundamental freedom ... It is *the* fundamental freedom!

Please excuse the expression but I'll have an RFID implantation over my dead body.

Hell, no! (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455768)

For a variety of reasons, I have been considering starting visa proceedings so I can go over, work, and live with my GF in the States. However, if they want to implant a tracking chip in me, I hate to say it, but that's a dealbreaker.

I love my GF more than anything but if this becomes the case she should come up to Canada to live with me.

That said, of course, I seriously doubt this will come to pass, at least not in the next few years. I mean, the idea's coming from the CEO of an RFID manufacturer.

Giving up your freedom to get freedom. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455772)

Anyone who would be willing to give up their freedom (by accepting one of these implants in order to get a job) obviously doesn't understand the ideals that America stands for. If such a person doesn't understand the basic foundation of American culture, how are they supposed to fit in? How are they to adapt to an American way of life, if they're so readily willing to debase the foundation of American society?

Perhaps anyone willing to give up their freedoms so readily shouldn't be allowed into America. They obviously don't understand what it means to be American, and thus likely won't ever fit in well with society at large.

There's already moves to track pedophiles with GPS (2, Interesting)

thewldisntenuff (778302) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455774)

If you think it's bad now, it's only the tip of the iceberg...

A few states have already begun tracking pedophiles via GPS - see this Fox News story [foxnews.com] about it.

FTFA -
"Many states are initiating programs that track registered sex offenders using Global Positioning Satellites, or GPS, sometimes for life. GPS can track the exact location of the offenders at all times, making it easier for law enforcement to ensure that they're abiding with the terms of their release.

It sounds like an efficient system: Authorities can keep track of dangerous sex offenders without having to keep them in prison at taxpayers' expense."

While I'm not defeding pedophiles (surely it's painted that way - "If you don't want GPS on pedos, then you're with them!"), where do we go next? GPS tracking for drug offenses? DUI? And what happens when people can track these GPS recievers? Scary stuff - what ever happened to paying your debt to society once you got out of jail?

Re:There's already moves to track pedophiles with (1)

fireweaver (182346) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455955)

"what ever happened to paying your debt to society once you got out of jail?"

The general attitude in society is "once a thief, always a thief. Seriously, a few of the people I know would just like to put convicted felons away for life or just execute them and have done with it. I disagree with this, of course, but then, that's just me.

Stealing Chips (2, Interesting)

archer, the (887288) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455781)

How long until someone kidnaps chipped people to steal the chips? Implant stolen chips for the highest bidder.

Sounds good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455789)

Seems like a fair trade off for the ability to get free healthcare and education while not being forced to take part in the tax code that we citizens are burdened with. This is a good implmentation of "you can't get anything for free"

I think we should give them the option of, oh, how about applying for citizenship or paying full taxes. There's your A or B choice.

COOL (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455792)

First we make them carry an electronic ID, and now we are looking at imbedding it. When does the far-away camps come in? Oh wait.....

My one question is, why are these republicans not in hurry to get ID and RFID chips for themselves? After all, everybody in congress and the whitehouse should get one to get in and out, as well as give up their fingerprint and DNA to show us how it is done.

it's wrong. (1)

mikesd81 (518581) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455796)

First of all, any comments made to a story that's at all immigration related should be immune to flame bait.

Okay, with that said. Immigrants are still people. You don't just chip them and turn them into an object. They deserve humanity rights as well as any person on Earth.

Re:it's wrong (1)

Mushdot (943219) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455915)

How about, we hook up the Texas Border Webcam [bbc.co.uk] with the Hunting Webcam [bbc.co.uk] but shoot RFID chips instead.

That way we are having fun, and at the same time allowing people into the US legally!

Slippery slope? (5, Insightful)

sharky611aol.com (682311) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455821)

The summary actually raises a good question as to whether this sort of "tagging" should be allowed at all.

Sure, let's go ahead and tag immigrants. And pedophiles. And murderers. And rapists. Any got a problem with that? (I'm going to ignore the fact that pedphiles were the next logical step after immigrants for the time being...)

Ok, how about hackers? Jaywalkers? IP pirates? Yes, I know the whole "Slippery slope" argument is technically a fallacy, but when you're dealing with the government, it tends to be the norm. When has the gov't ever been happy with a limit on their power once a particular "right" is stripped away?

I think we all need to agree that nobody needs to be "tagged" for any reason. We have a right to have our identity hidden unless we have performed actions which forfeit this right. You have the right to refuse to show identification to a law enforcement officer if they do not have probable cause. (Before I get lots of cries of foul, Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court of Nev. still requires "suspicious activity") All that goes out the window though if all an officer has to do is wave a wand at you.

What's good for the goose ... (4, Insightful)

plehmuffin (846742) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455831)

Is good for the gander.

I propose that we enact legislation to track all politicians who hold governmental offices. That way we can make sure that they aren't up to no good.

Slimy Politician: This new energy policy was not influenced by the oil industry.

Citizen/Reporter: Then why does your location log indicate you visited the major oil companies' headquarters while preparing the legislation?

Slimy Politician: Umm...

Oh im sick of this.... (0, Troll)

nuOpus (463845) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455839)

Why are people actually debating the issue of freely allowing Mexican immigrants into the US? Have you guys/gals actually BEEN into Mexico and seen a majority of the places and people there? It is dirty, trash everywhere ... crime is rampant and people don't care about anyone.

If we were to allow them to migrate into the US, wouldnt it be sad for that to happen to the southern US states? I mean ... I for one would NOT want Arizona to be another Nogales or anything EVEN CLOSE. Are we to believe that just because we let them into the country ... they would respect THIS COUNTRY and keep everything clean and abide by our laws when they can't do the same in THEIR country?

I'm not saying that Americans are clean for the most part ... but HAVE YOU GUYS/GALS EVEN BEEN TO MEXICO?

I think that all illegal immigrants should be treated as just that ... illegal. Either deport them or shoot them on the spot, but don't take my money from taxes to keep them in OUR jails.

Re:Oh im sick of this.... (1)

ChristTrekker (91442) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455959)

I don't see why the Chief Executive seems to have such difficulty enforcing the laws. Isn't that his job? Creating a "path to citizenship"...there already is one. It's called "going home, filling out the paperwork, and waiting like everyone else does". So where exactly is the problem? In 1986 the USGov granted amnesty and promised enforcement after that. Well, 20 years later, and we see how well that worked out. Immigration "reform" [wnd.com] , bah. How about government reform - anti-incumbent and pro-third-party this November. I'm sick of the lies and abuses from the Duopoly in power.

Re:Oh im sick of this.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15455983)

Dude, I live in Mexico and don't see the same country you have described. BTW, Tijuana is not representative of Mexico.

Scary (1)

premio (781198) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455843)

Some may feel that this isn't really scary as it is a corporation making the proposal not the government. But I feel that it is very disturbing that anyone would suggest this. What next, do regress to placing brand marks on peoples foreheads. Do we now start putting detectors in business door ways and dening access to those so implanted. This is very disturbing and most troubling. To give up a strangers writes is to ultimately give up our own.!

Immigrants: NO, Pedophiles: YES (1)

lamz (60321) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455862)

I say "no" to tracking immigrants, since they are typically hard-working, decent people, and tracking them is creepy.

Pedophiles, on the other hand, deserve little more than a bullet in the head. I say "yes" to tracking those twisted freaks.

Don't chip "the people" (2, Insightful)

w33t (978574) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455863)

RFID implants can be used for good. To fight fire sometimes one must use fire. I think what we need is a "little brother" scenario.

What we should do is chip our politicians. I think constituents shoud be able to see where they are and what they are doing during their "hours of operation".
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that is just gross (2, Insightful)

kendoka (473386) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455866)

my wife is an immigrant, half of my family are immigrants; they're people just like you and me. Tagging them like an animal is inhuman, regardless of the practical outcome there are things we simply do not do in a civilized society; we don't kill our elderly after they're no longer useful, we don't put children our children to work, instead we put them into free schools.

Any one with half a brain and half a reason would just have the thing removed anyway. All this will do is treat regular people with indignity; the criminals will work around it.

Immigrants first... (0, Flamebait)

Sans_A_Cause (446229) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455868)

...then, in this order:

(1) suspected terrorists
(2) suspected spies
(3) convicted felons
(4) criminal defendants
(5) pedophiles
(6) sex offenders
(7) welfare recipients
(8) homosexuals
(9) negroes
(10) Jews
(11) terrorists (i.e., anyone left who isn't white and doesn't love Jesus Christ)

What crap (1)

taustin (171655) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455886)

This isn't about legal immigrants. Nobody cares about legal immigrants. It's illegal immigrants everyone is worked up about. And, of course, the ones who enter the country illegally won't be affected by this proposal at all.

In order to find and track illegal immigrants with RFID chips, we would have to chip everyone else, from birth. Which will be the next proposal, or the one after that.

And then it just might be time to stand a few politicians against the wall.

Verichip (1)

packetmon (977047) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455898)

This company has been known to be associated with April Fool's type hoaxes and controversy... "Seattle officials have introduced "Safe Harbors." An Orwellian phrase. Many homeless will not get a home, but they will be tagged and surveilled as they slog through the labyrinth of services and shelters. Safe Harbors will be a component in the federal Homeless Management Information System (HMIS). Participation is not mandatory. But programs that choose not to participate in the monitoring of misery will lose funding. Abuses are certain to arise. source [realchangenews.org] But they also have some pretty nifty ideas. For example, the company planned to work with DoD on replacing dogtags with these chips. One of the benefits is that they will be able to track soldiers' movements and vitality statistics... "Is the soldier alive, what is his temperature, etc."

There are also security flaws with the chips... Unauthorized persons can access information on the chip, according to Mr. Swire, which exacerbates the potential for improper use of medical data. Similar problems exist with new biometric passports, because the biometric information is broadcast "in the clear" rather than in encrypted formats that avoid transmitting the information to unauthorized readers. source [medscape.com] Also at issues was the possibility of third party vendors accessing information off those chips (remember its RFID based).

Ridiculous (1)

Goblez (928516) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455936)

Just plain ridiculous, I don't care who they are implanting.

Here's a head up to the NSA and anyone else reading this, RFID implants aren't going to work! The security is weak, the tracking implications make all of us sick, and who is going to want to implant buggy hardware into themselves?

Let me tell you what, fuck that upgrade twice a month where we all go in for surgery (though I'm sure the Medical world wouldn't mind). On top of these reasons, I think that it's just plain wrong.

Way too many books written about technology being used to control people that are all becoming very plausible.

If I were President... (1)

dcollins (135727) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455941)

"My fellow Americans. I'm pleased to announce that I've just signed legislation that will outlaw VeriChip Corporation forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

How long...? (1)

drakyri (727902) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455942)

How long before back-alley labs start specializing in implant removal and/or alteration? RFID chips are notoriously easy to tinker with ... what's to stop people from a) having their chips removed, b) inserting their own chip so that they're 'legal', or c) modifying their chip so that their identity is changed?

Refund? (1)

merky1 (83978) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455965)

let see, 20 million migrants. $20 per chip. $400 Million in taxpayer money. Maybe if we make things so unbearable for people in this country, there won't be a reason to sneak in.

Borg (1)

mardin (976086) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455966)

Borg is coming to get you
Resistance is futile
Man-machines

Then they can put up some EzPass readers (1)

dwayner79 (880742) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455974)

Just toll them as they come and go.

Sounds good to me (1)

moracity (925736) | more than 7 years ago | (#15455996)

Umm...are we not a sovereign country? Are we not entitled to decide who we let into this country as well as the stipulations required for entry. We have the most relaxed immigration policies of any modern country. THERE IS NO NEED TO SNEAK IN.

We let people in and give them money to start businesses while people born here can't even get a decent primary education. We pay foreigners to attend our universities while most Americans are in debt up to their eyeballs for a basic 4-year degree and about to get royally screwed on student loan interest rates.

I'm tired of all the bleeding hearts that think we should let immigrant anarchy rule. If you're so anxious to let people in, let them come take over your home without your permission. Let's how welcoming you really are.

I'm also tired of a government that doesn't enforce it's own friggin immigration laws. We already gave millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS amnesty once and it did no good. The idea that we will give amnesty one again...in return for payment of fines and back taxes is beyond absurd.

1) Where is the incentive? Many illegals lead a perfectly fine life here. We don't enforce our immigration laws, nor will we ever do so. Why would they bother to come out of hiding and dish up some dough?

2) Who is going to collect said payments?

People say that we don't have the resources to round up and deport illegals. How in the heck can we collect anything from them?? Get real.

I understand the war on terror, but it's time for Bush to get his head out of his arse and stop worrying about poppycockery like gay marriage and start taking care of business. The Senate better get their sh*t together as well.
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