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The Pirate Bay Is Back Online

timothy posted more than 8 years ago | from the have-those-responsible-been-sacked? dept.

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Many readers have submitted news that The Pirate Bay is back online, operating for now as "The Police Bay." Writes one anonymous submitter: "Pirate Bay got new hardware, moved the servers abroad and used recent backups. So the only bad side-effect of this police raid is that hundreds of clients of the ISP PRQ still have not got their servers back from the police. When the police did the raid on Wednesday, they took Pirate Bay from Bankgirot's secure server room. Then they also took all the servers in PRQ colocation facility STH3, effectively disabling a lot of small companies. The connection between PRQ and TPB? - Same owners, nothing more, this is beginning to become a huge scandal in Sweden with coverage on TV and all newspapers 4 days in a row."

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MPAA/RIAA press release (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461113)

When can we expect the MPAA/RIAA press release issued the other day to mysteriously disappear from the public record (or at least the org's sites)? Oh and will we see another press release saying the MPAA/RIAA got pwnt?

Re:MPAA/RIAA press release (4, Informative)

Ann Coulter (614889) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461252)

Well, for the record, 2006_05_31.pdf [gsu.edu] .

Sucks to be the MPAA... (5, Funny)

oberondarksoul (723118) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461115)

So soon they crowed victory, so soon will they be humbled. By the looks of things the takedown of the Pirate Bay was less than legal, and now with the 'Bay back online the MPAA must be feeling more than a little upset. Personally I'm of the view that the Pirate Bay was perfectly legal - they didn't carry any copyrighted works themselves, just as Google don't carry the materials they link to. What fun this whole affair will turn out to be...

Re:Sucks to be the MPAA... (4, Insightful)

Dredd13 (14750) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461206)

Pirate Bay is *more* legal than Google. Google at least exists in this "grey area" -- with things like Google Cache, and things like that, where they actually DO distribute the actual copyrighted content themselves occasionally. Nothing that the Pirate Bay serves up is actually copyrighted, since it's just .torrent files.

Re:Sucks to be the MPAA... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461262)

Google==US, and US law explicitly makes caching legal and .torrent files illegal.

Re:Sucks to be the MPAA... (4, Insightful)

Dredd13 (14750) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461265)

Exactly which law makes torrent files illegal? Please be prepared to cite chapter and verse.

Re:Sucks to be the MPAA... (1)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461289)

And for that matter, exactly which law makes caching (in the sense of Google Cache) legal?

Re:Sucks to be the MPAA... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461301)

Careful not to cross the line out of Democracy.

Re:Sucks to be the MPAA... (0)

wetfeetl33t (935949) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461263)

From TFPB:
"Only torrent files are saved at the server. That means no copyrighted and/or illegal material are stored by us. It is therefore not possible to hold the people behind The Pirate Bay responsible for the material that is being spread using the tracker."

I'm no legal expert, so I dunno if this statement is legally feasable.

The Top ten (5, Funny)

yoharryo (874777) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461116)

Nice to see an illegal copy of Vista is number one...

Re:The Top ten (3, Interesting)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461153)

Nice to see an illegal copy of Vista is number one...

Quiet, you - it's not criminally illegal, it's rightcopy defringement, or something like that. Yeah. It's in Sweden, and they're pirates, so that makes it absolutely all right. The fact that Sweden's got some odd legal loophole which makes it not a crime to post links to copyrighted material means that it's therefore absolutely not a crime to go ahead and download any of this copyrighted material, laws in the users' native countries be damned. Swedish pirates say what they're doing is fine, so therefore everything else they facilitate is too!

Erm...

Isn't actually downloading anything from such sites still illegal?

I pay for stuff, or do without. It has its advantages, especially with games... ;-)

* prances around in free Half-Life 2 T-shirt *

Re:The Top ten (2, Interesting)

popeguilty (961923) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461166)

The fact that it's illegal for us to accept doesn't make it illegal for them to offer.

Also, Minerva chapter 2 is out? Hot damn! *gets to downloading... legally, of course, since it's free. And shiny.*

Re:The Top ten (5, Funny)

Legion303 (97901) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461167)

"* prances around in free Half-Life 2 T-shirt *"

Looking at it from another angle, you paid $40 for a shirt. :)

Re:The Top ten (4, Funny)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461171)

Berrating a supporter of copyright infringement: $0.02
Bragging about paying for Half-Life 2: $35.00

Claiming that a bundled t-shirt is free: er ... priceless.

For everything else, there's Pirate Bay.

:-)

Re:The Top ten (1)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461192)

Claiming that a bundled t-shirt is free: er ... priceless.

Nope, it wasn't bundled - it was free.

Although I did have to pay to get to the airport.

Re:The Top ten (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461172)

Was it free or did you have to buy the game? $60 for a shiny aluminium covered plastic disc and a t-shirt? Maybe some paper for good measure.

Re:The Top ten (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461233)

* prances around in free Half-Life 2 T-shirt *

Yeah, just like this "free" copy of Windows that came with my PC...

Re:The Top ten (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461242)

* prances around in free Half-Life 2 T-shirt *
I've always wondered what kind of retard pays a company to become a walking advertisement for them. If they want me to wear their shirt, the least they could do is provide a free copy of the game to compensate me.

Political campaign for the Piracy Party (4, Interesting)

paugq (443696) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461122)

Looks like the Swedish Police is making a free, wide and very positive campaign to favor the Piracy Party. I bet they will be getting a lot more votes thanks to this weird operation. Thank you Swedish police officers!

Re:Political campaign for the Piracy Party (1)

Xymor (943922) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461250)

TPB is setting up servers in various countries. Netherlands and Sweden are the frist 2. This exposure may get a lot of votes for Piratbyrån.

Investigators liability? (5, Insightful)

LinuxGeek (6139) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461123)

So, at what point does it become the responsibility of the police to do enough homework to make sure that their investigation dosen't harm many other businesses that are completely uninvolved in the search for evidence? What recourse do the other effected isp customers have?

Re:Investigators liability? (0)

popeguilty (961923) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461157)

Responsibility? Police?

Mod parent up funny. This guy's a comedic genius!

Re:Investigators liability? (5, Interesting)

Depili (749436) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461213)

Remember that this is Sweden, not USA we talking about, in here the police doesn't have any more leeway when it comes to laws than normal citicens. (Ever so often we get to read about wich high up police officer got how big traffic tickets etc [the fines are based on income rather than being a fixed sum]).

So please try to remember that not every contry works the same as America (and I'm really happy that it's so, frankly America and the American mentality scares me.)

Re:Investigators liability? (4, Insightful)

mkw87 (860289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461287)

frankly America and the American mentality scares me

Try living here...

Re:Investigators liability? (3, Insightful)

popeguilty (961923) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461296)

As an American, I spend a lot of time alternately baffled, terrified, annoyed, and enraged at my fellow citizens. We're a bizarre place.

Re:Investigators liability? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461302)

BZZT! Wrong!
In Sweden, you have even less rights than in the US. In the US, you have Miranda rights, proper search warrants (that have to be shown to the suspect), standars of admission for evidence (i.e. illegally obtained evidence is not admissible in court), you name it. In Sweden? None of these.

Go check out http://www.avslaget.se/ [avslaget.se] and find out just how many rights you have as an innocent suspect.

Re:Investigators liability? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461161)

Never and none?
Comeon, police officers can generally murder people without consequences, if you actually file a suit for a little lost income any prosecutor is only going to laugh it away.

Re:Investigators liability? (2, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461216)

So, at what point does it become the responsibility of the police to do enough homework to make sure that their investigation dosen't harm many other businesses that are completely uninvolved in the search for evidence? What recourse do the other effected isp customers have?

a) When hell freezes over
b) None

Except in a very few special cases where the police are being accused of having ulterior motives (groundless searches, SLAP-style shutdowns, excessive destruction of property), your recourse is none. Same that on the whole, you don't get any compensation if you get arrested and later checked out of the case.

This isn't just limited to "other businesses". Imagine you're living in a household, and it turns out someone else has been naughty. When the police come to cease your computers, they will take all of them. No matter if your computer is clean, or that you need it for important work. Also by the time you get it back, it's lost a lot of value. You get any compensation for that? No.

Basicly, as long as the police are conducting an legitimate investigation you don't get anything. These computers have the same owners, and the only thing we've got to say they're not involved in the operations of the Pirate Bay is their word. Was it within reason to seize them? Yes, it was. Does it suck for those affected? Yes, it does. But I don't think they'll get anything for their troubles.

Re:Investigators liability? (1)

MarkByers (770551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461267)

But I don't think they'll get anything for their troubles.

According to the old TPB homepage, just after the raid, they expect to get compensation from the Swedish Government if they are proven innocent of copyright infringement. I hope this includes: cost of purchasing new servers, loss of advertising revenue for several days, cost for emotional effects of being sent to prison, cost of relocating their business to a safer country, etc...

This will hopefully teach the police to check the facts first and not just attack any individuals that the RIAA/MPAA chooses.

Re:Investigators liability? (5, Interesting)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461276)


Basicly, as long as the police are conducting an legitimate investigation you don't get anything.

According to the Swedish news coverage, there is some legitimate doubts as to whether it was a legitimate investigation or not. Their laws don't make linking to infingements an illegality. As such, since The Pirate Bay didn't host anything that is illegal per Swedish law. Now, it gets even better than this. According to people over there the national police happen to keep whingeing about not having enough manpower, etc. to enforce problems like drug trafficing, etc. and little gets done about real problems- but they can muster 50(!) people to "bust" a place that doesn't do anything illegal per their laws as a result of pressure being put on them from MPAA and others in the US. It's my understanding that there's a lot of people pissed about it over there right now.

Re:Investigators liability? (5, Interesting)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461291)

Oh come on ... the video from the surveillance cameras shows they took their sweet time checking out the server racks. They didn't have to take all the hardware they took (and who the fuck needs to wear camo on a raid of a server room anyway?).

The warrant was for seizing the servers hosting TPB; any seizure exceeding that was outside the scope of the warrant, and that's why they (the police and the minister of justice) are in the crapper - taking something that's outside the scope of the warrant is theft. That they covered the security cameras with garbage bags partway through just makes them look guiltier.

So - either:

  1. the police couldn't properly identify the hardware in question, in which case they were incompetent, and should have called in someone with more expertise, or
  2. they could, but over-reached.
  3. they purposefully grabbed more than they were entitled to, hoping for a backlash against TPB for causing the inconvenience
Those are the only options. How much you want to bet it was #3, seeing as politicians and the **AA were involved? This is a very public cluster-fuck, and someone will have to pay, both politically and financially.

Examples Please! (4, Interesting)

kwandar (733439) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461124)

I can only hope this is causing a huge scandal s Sweden as stated by the article. Can any Swedish readers provides us a synopsis of some of the reports on tv and in the newspaper?

Re:Examples Please! (1)

Shinaku (757671) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461133)

I'm also interested in how the Sweedish news papers have been reporting this. Would they show it as it truely is, or from some bastardised 'anti-piracy' angle?

Re:Examples Please! (2, Informative)

Troed (102527) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461178)

They're mostly correct about what they write. Several editorials also point out that this fight _cannot_ be won by the music, film and software industries. They must adapt.

Re:Examples Please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461202)

In short, the "scandal" comes down to two things:
-Did the minister of justice interfer with police work and order the raid (possible after pressure from Hollywood). This would be a violation of Swedish law. The minister says he didn't, "sources" claim he did.
- Several smaller companies have lost their internet access, stored data etc. and also claim to have been subjected to "guilt by association" due to this raid, something that hurt there business.
The debate is rather high now on these issues, on what the current law states (two somewhat similar cases ended in a not guilty verdict since the site only contained links and not actual pirated software), and whether there will be a change in the law (which "experts" say is likely if there will be a not guilty verdict in this case).

The Swedish Chef Reports: (4, Funny)

DrunkenTerror (561616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461207)

Feele-a shereeng seete-a Zee Purete-a Bey, vheech ves clused doon fullooeeng Vednesdey's reeed by zee Svedeesh puleece-a, oopened egeeen oon Setoordey murneeng under a deefffferent neme-a: Zee Puleece-a Bey.

Zee seete's perffurmunce-a ves steell petchy et loonchteeme-a oon Setoordey, despeete-a beeeng roon frum noo serfers in Hullund effter ell zee Svedeesh iqooeepment ves cunffeesceted. Bork! Bork!

Zee reeed, vheech ves cerreeed oooot et husteeng cumpuneees in Stuckhulm, Fästmunlund und Fästra Götelund tergeted oone-a ooff zee vurld's lergest seetes fur shereeng mooseec, gemes und cumpooter prugremmes.

It ves prumpted by a cumpleeent tu puleece-a frum Unteepuretbyrån, vheech represents zee Svedeesh feelm und mooseec indoostreees' cupyreeght interests. Bork! Bork! Bork!

Un infesteegeshun egeeenst Zee Purete-a Bey hes beee oongueeng fur munths. "Ve-a beleeefe-a thet ve-a veell be-a fuoond nut gooeelty," seeed Fredreek Neeej, oone-a ooff thuse-a roonneeng Zee Purete-a Bey, tu Ixpressee. "Ve-a ere-a gueeng tu cunteenooe-a unteel zee ferdeect cumes. A-yup!"

Re:Examples Please! (5, Informative)

seezer (842248) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461180)

This guy http://tpbeng.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com] is translating local news to english.

A little glimpse from the Danish media (1)

Reverse Gear (891207) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461181)

Well I am not from Sweden but I can tell as much as this has made it to some of the big radio stations here in Denmark (P3 which I am listening to right now), which means that things are pretty big in Sweden for them to make the headlines in Denmark.
So far a quick overlook over the big media here tells me what attracts the most attention in Danish media is the demonstration that is on it's way right now in Stockholm and the talks abuot the Swedish government acting after orders from the USA with politicans bypassing Swedish laws.

Re:Examples Please! (4, Informative)

Caine (784) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461211)

Virtually all major swedish newspapers (http://www.aftonbladet.se , http://www.dn.se/ [www.dn.se] http://www.expressen.se/ [expressen.se] http://www.svd.se/ [www.svd.se] are leading with the "Pirate War" and news that Pirate Bay is back online.

Media coverage have so far been very good, concentrating on the mismanaged raid, suffering of other hosted servers and the fact that the raid was not in line with the popular will.

Swedish state television have also done a news report connecting US lobbying and the swedish minister of justice to the raid, which is seen as extremly bad. Several other politicians and the justice ombudsman have started investigation into the legality of the raid.

Re:Examples Please! (2, Informative)

DaveRexel (887813) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461230)

You are right, this scandal is getting serious media coverage in Sweden. Here are short quotes translated from Swedish Dagensindustri "it's like trying to eradicate dandelions" Aftonbladet "The media conglomerates have no chance against the youth" Dagens Nyheter "The Net-Pirates have won" Svenska Dagbladet "Net-Pirates have won" These are from our major newspapers and posted hurriedly from my MacBook while walking in a demonstration against this abuse of power by the police and **AA lackeys.

Re:Examples Please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461279)

"posted hurriedly from my MacBook" PS i have a macbook, love me! please...

Re:Examples Please! (5, Interesting)

Hinhule (811436) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461236)

There have been numerous articles showing both sides of the story, often in the same newspaper.

The swedish national TV station (funded by every household with a TV) ran a story based on an informant, basicly saying that the minister of justice was running errands for the white house. Ordering the takedown of the pirate bay even though prosecutors had already looked into it and found that they couldn't justify a takedown. The minister of justice and his departments actions are currently being investigated.

There have been an online poll showing that about 87% think that music copying is ok. Most people also think that music piracy would go down significantly if a music CD had a resonable price.

Oddly there have been no mention what people think of actual programs and games being copied. So as far as the masses are concerned they think TPB is used only to copy music and movies.

I would like there to be an article around the fact that if TPB is found guilty of assisting copyright violations. Where do you draw the line? What about google or any other search engine? What about community sites, several cases of rape and pedophilia has been caused by connections made on such sites, are they assisting these crimes as well?

Lots of people are outraged that the police already low resources are being wasted on copyright violations when people don't want to go alone at night out of fear of rape / muggings.

All in all I think the media coverage have been better than expected.

Re:Examples Please! (2, Interesting)

Eudial (590661) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461251)

I can only hope this is causing a huge scandal s Sweden as stated by the article. Can any Swedish readers provides us a synopsis of some of the reports on tv and in the newspaper?


It's not huge as of yet, but pretty big. It's not really front-page news with 20 minutes extra coverage on the evening news, yet it's definetly something the general public is aware of; and the police do not come off as the good guys in this drama. Some pretty harsh accusations have been made against the affected minister, that if proven true, will most likely lead to his removal from office.

The bad part is that someone have DoS:ed the Swedish police's website, which has been giving the pirates a really bad name, and has made the "threat" of these sort of attacks against the government and media the latest target of media fearmongering.

Yet still, the piracy party has more than doubled it's memberships.

Good news (1)

Supersonic1425 (903823) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461126)

A lot of the site doesn't work right (I just tried downloading two .torrents and got a nice 404 for each of them), but it's good that it's making progress to come back online. Hopefully it won't be too long before they're back to normal. Whether that's in Sweden or another country doesn't really matter too much for the average user, but I hope it's Sweden if only for pride.

Re:Good news (1)

MarkByers (770551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461195)

The search function doesn't seem to be working yet either:

No hits due to politics

The search function will be back later today.

Location of servers... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461127)

From the IRC channel, it sounds like the new servers are located in the Netherlands with hot backups running in Ukraine. The MPAA just got rocked. If it wasn't so damn early, I'd drink to this news...

Re:Location of servers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461191)

Somebody hand the **AA the Dune books and the sections about the Sandtrout and Sandworms -- especially God Emperor of Dune. Better not awaken the sleeper.

Re:Location of servers... (5, Funny)

thelost (808451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461220)

a true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. yarrrr

Re:Location of servers... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461223)

If it wasn't so damn early, I'd drink to this news...

It's never too early to drink :^)

Amazing! (4, Insightful)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461135)

If it's turning into a major scandal, could this mean that people in Sweden generally don't think gestapo-like tactics are justified to take down a few people downloading video games and TV shows?

Next thing you know, you'll be telling us that talking about war isn't actually talking about peace, and that freedom isn't actually slavery.

Re:Amazing! (3, Funny)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461148)

Next thing you know, you'll be telling us that talking about war isn't actually talking about peace.

God damn it, do you mean that fucking for virginity doesn't work either?

Re:Amazing! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461205)

Do you have a better way of making more virgins?

(Sorry, can't give proper credit, don't know who came up with it.)

Re:Amazing! (5, Insightful)

skrolle2 (844387) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461203)

Usually when the police over here is covered in media, they are complaining about lack of funds, there are too few policemen, minor crimes go uninvestigated, and the general feeling is that the police doesn't do its job.

And now the police did a large-scale raid, not against drug smugglers, traffickers or other organized crime which people actually care about, but against file-sharers. As a result of a direct order from the minister of justice (who btw is not allowed to do that), and as a result of pressure from a foreign power.

So we have a situation where the police doesn't have manpower to do what people want, but when the US wants to shutdown a legal Swedish site, there's suddenly plenty of resources available. THIS pisses people off enormously. The average Joe couldn't care less about copyright or filesharing or the Pirate Bay, but this blatant misuse of the police is something a lot of people care about.

CCTV footage from the raid.. (5, Informative)

scredda (728677) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461144)

..is available at YouTube [youtube.com] . For some reason the police covered the cameras with plastic bags halfway through.

Thank you, Sweden! (4, Insightful)

Atario (673917) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461146)

As an American who's disgusted with the current Copyright Cabal running roughshod all over everyone and everything, I'm glad there's somewhere in the world where this crap inspires the mainstream rage it should. GO GET 'EM.

What's it like in Sweden? What's a nice time of year to visit? Are there programmer jobs available? Do you still have that bikini team [wikipedia.org] ?

Be seeing you...

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (5, Funny)

Dr. Cody (554864) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461177)

Sorry, all those gorgeous blonde women are in their 40's. Nowadays, all we have left is chubby girls who look like raccoons.

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (1)

geneshifter (411883) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461208)

"Be seeing you..."

Too much Oblivion I see

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461245)

Or 'The Prisoner', of course.

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461239)

The only nice time of year to visit is summer. Otherwise it's goodamn cold. Programmer jobs are available, welcome and wanted, but you'll earn more as a plumber. (not that it's a bad salary, simply IT is not the sector with MOST demand for workers.) No idea about bikini teams, but vast areas of land, very cheap, meaning mares are cheap, easy to buy and keep and willing. And get a swedish girl drunk (not cheap but easy) and you'll get laid too. The worst drawback: Outrageous prices of booze.

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (1)

colganc (581174) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461256)

Why would you want "maintstream rage"? People running around like gangs and angry mobs generally isn't productive. Good thing they don't seem to be angry mobs and actually have something at least some what planned out. For example the political party they are working on.

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461274)

Actually, in a real democracy it often is very productive. One of the few things almost all governments agree on is "keeping the peace". In a democratic country, a large uprising demands attention (at least from SWAT teams) but often reminds politians which side their bread is buttered on.

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (1)

colganc (581174) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461282)

In a real democracy it isn't needed. People organize political parties and those parties change law. If there is a political class then you can't just vote in people with the same view as you and you are left with other choices such as protesting.

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461271)

What's it like in Sweden? What's a nice time of year to visit?

Everyone knows English, so there are no problems for a foreigner to make himself understood.

I'd say you should visit Sweden in late spring or summer. The Swedish girls (who are just as hot as the rumors say) are very keen on putting on really short skirts and revealing tops as soon as the sun comes out.

On the geek side, Sweden is well equipped too, particularly in the larger cities (like Stockholm and Gothenburg). Lots of Internet cafés, gaming stores etc.

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461273)

What's it like in Sweden?

Wi n0t trei a h0liday in Sweden thi yer?

See the l0veli lakes

The W0nderful teleph0ne system

And mani interesting furry animals

Including the majestic m00se

A M00se once bit my sister ...

Mynd you, m00se bites Kan be pretty nasti ...

(We apologize for the Monty Python reference. The poster of this message has just been sacked).

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (1)

Hinhule (811436) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461290)

Weather is pretty much like Montana (lived there for 10 months).

Gas is quite expensive ~1.7USD / Litre.

I like it.

Re:Thank you, Sweden! (1)

geodescent (871514) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461298)

We're not far off though! $3 USD per gallon (3.78 liter) in Texas

Demonstrations (5, Informative)

hanssprudel (323035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461147)

There will be demonstrations [piratbyran.org] in Sweden's largest cities this afternoon, condeming the actions of the Swedish police and department of justice in this matter. It is being co-organized by the Pirate Party, and the youth organizations of several mainstream parties from across the political spectrum.

In Stockholm it starts at 15:00 on Mynttorget (right by parlament). That is in 15 minutes so hurry!

In Gothenburg a demonstration will start at 16:30 on Gustav Adolfs Torg.

Old Man Gustav Adolf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461222)

You kids get off my Torg!

Re:Demonstrations (4, Informative)

mkro (644055) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461243)

And if you agree with what they are doing and want to support them, here [thepiratebay.org] is the donation link. SMS donations work from several countries, and makes giving a few bucks quite hassle free. I did, and feel way better than after buying a ring tone this way.

MOD PARENT UP (1)

Mathiasdm (803983) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461283)

Donating via SMS? Perfect!

*donates*

Becoming a huge scandal in Sweden... (3, Insightful)

D4C5CE (578304) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461266)

this is beginning to become a huge scandal in Sweden with coverage on TV and all newspapers 4 days in a row
And deservedly so, if the seizure is indeed comparable to trying to fight crime by bulldozing an entire law-abiding, tax-paying business district on the vague rumor that someone might probably have bought a fake brand T-shirt once from a street vendor somewhere in there.

And no matter what statistics anyone may have come up with (or forged), Bittorrent is just a highly efficient means of distributing perfectly legal stuff such as Linux releases, scientific lectures and speeches, or free renders. Much like a knife is a proven instrument for cutting food, rather than reason for suspecting an intent to kill someone.

BTW if the laws had teeth against some real ills of the information age, and if the authorities were similarly responsive, though hopefully in a more targetted way, against botnet operators perpetrating DDoS and spam, we wouldn't need to have discussions like these [slashdot.org] for more than a decade already...

Re:Demonstrations (1)

Tom (822) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461297)

There will be demonstrations in Sweden's largest cities this afternoon

Please post torrent of pictures!

ARRRR!! (-1, Redundant)

fernandoh26 (963204) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461152)

Yo ho ho ho, a PIRATE'S LIFE FOR ME!
*dances a merry jig*

Umm wait a minute, do pirate's dance merry jigs? =P

Re:ARRRR!! (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461165)

They do! With merry beautiful women from the carribean isles!
And then they claim their part of booty!

How many.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461155)

..cops does it take to change a light bulb?
50. One to do it and 49 to confiscate every other light bulb in the house as evidence.

Re:How many.. (0, Offtopic)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461288)

but you forgot the 15 CSIs that are needed to find out why the original bulb went out.

Two political parties have alread filed complaints (5, Informative)

DaveRexel (887813) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461162)

Representatives from two major political parties in Sweden, Folkpartiet and Vänsterpartiet have filed formal complaints against the Minister of Justice and members of his staff.

This has increased the general publics awareness of The Pirate Bay and probably increased the number of p2p users.

A very nice shot in the foot for the Swedish Justice Dept., the police and our very "customer friendly" **AA organisations.

Reverse psychology anyone? (0, Redundant)

clux (824396) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461183)

Great going swedish police. If these failed publicity stunts keep happening, the pirate party in sweden will win the election by 2010, and we will have an ice age by 2050.

Re:Reverse psychology anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461257)

Looks like the mods don't get the reference [venganza.org] ...

a podcast with one of the admins available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461184)

There is a podcast available by the Chaos Computer Club : http://www.ccc.de/updates/2006/chaosradio-pirate-b ay?language=de [www.ccc.de] This podcast, done yesterday, has an extensive interview with one of the admins of thepiratebay on the police raid and the future of TPB.

not to sound like a party pooper (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461186)

but if they are in the netherlands now, what is to stop the dutch police from doing the same thing?

yeah sure, it's a giant game of whack-a-mole, but isn't the lesson here to do to thepiratebay what was done to napster?

that is, when the riaa/ mpaa behead these entities, they go underground and become headless

that is: no central server. thus, napster morphed into morpheus, kazaa, edonkey, et al

which is the real lesson for the mpaa/ riaa: you don't kill this "infection", you only make is more resistant to your antibiotics

the mpaa/ riaa is breeding superpiracy

you would think that instead they would coopt the pirate bay, legitimize it

but no, they have to fight where it would be wiser to collude. they just breed a stronger foe, drive this behavior further underground, and not stop one bit of it, and just make it much more difficult to ever stop

their behavior is creating the culture of piracy. if they embraced and extended, instead of exterminate and berserk, the mpaa/ riaa would create a culture that would say "hey, this stuff is cheap, and high quality, and easily organized... why would i want to go to a bad quality copy of my media that is hard to find?"

surely they see that that is all they are doing, no?

they are digging their own graves

you can't fight technological progress

this genie is not going back in the bottle

Re:not to sound like a party pooper (2, Informative)

Teun (17872) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461284)

but if they are in the netherlands now, what is to stop the dutch police from doing the same thing?

The law.
And historical lessons, they show Dutch police first collects evidence with the aid of good old 'dd'.
Meaning generaly they leave the computers, servers and desktops, running untill at a later time the collected evidence could be used to actually shut down the operation being investigated.

'Just' a complaint from a private party is not enough to get an immediate shut down.

Moved to The Netherlands.... (3, Informative)

tsvk (624784) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461193)

Judging from a traceroute, the servers seem now to be hosted in The Netherlands.

I'm a bit surprised, when the admins of TPB said in Swedish media that they will relocate abroad, I actually thought that they would move outside the EU.

Let's see how the Dutch officials will react to this; how long TPB will stay up before they try to take it down again.

Re:Moved to The Netherlands.... (1)

daff2k (689551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461215)

I wonder if under the EUCD (the EU equivalent to the DMCA) providing links to "copyrighted material" is "illegal" as well?

Re:Moved to The Netherlands.... (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461227)

Thier hot-backup is located in Russia. TPB would prefer to keep the servers in a country where one of the admins are I believe and the threat of backup in Russia so another raid won't happen b/c of US pressure. GL to the **AA's on getting a Russian server.

Re:Moved to The Netherlands.... (2, Interesting)

wwmedia (950346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461299)

yes they hosted by leasewb now @ Schuberg-Philis datacenter in fact on same ip range as one of my servers! i sent a letter to my isp seeking assurances that one of my servers doesnt get taken away in the next raid like happened to people in sweden im happy that piratebay is sticking a finger up hollywoods arse but this move quite litterally puts them in same datacenter :( and this gets me worried

Re:Moved to The Netherlands.... (1)

BabyDriver (749379) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461300)

I could be mis-remebering but hasn't the Dutch courts ruled that linking to copyrighted material is not infringing? (as part of a Scientology lawsuit IIRC)

Pirate Bay admin interviewed (in English) (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461196)

In Chaosradio International #009 [chaosradio.ccc.de] one of the maintainers of TPB called "Peter" mentions traffic data and server capability of TPB and also comments on the Pirate Bay induced traffic on the Swedish part of the internet. According to Peter, each of the Pirate Bay high end servers handles about 20000 connections per second. This kind of packet flow once brought the main router of one of the biggest Swedish internet service providers to its knees. The traffic volume to and from the Pirate Bay actually isn't very high, just a couple of gigabits per second. The induced traffic between the peers allegedly reaches 50% of the total Swedish internet traffic. Swedes can get 1Gbps connections to their homes and don't have to pay an arm and a leg for it. 100Mbps is quite common.

The interview also covers the political environment and the internet culture of Sweden, and of course the raid.

I'm laughing with tears (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461198)

You think I'm funny? Well screw ya, after this police campaign I love the pirate bay guys more than ever.

They've turned from an underground torrent search engine to a symbol in the eyes of a lot of people.

MPAA/RIAA you're pretty consistent in screwing up, I know it hurts, but don't worry, your end is near.

Check out the new logo just updated! (5, Funny)

biscon (942763) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461219)

The changed the old logo adding cannonballs shooting from the pirate ship smashing a hollywood sign. Way to go my proud swedish brothers. I admire your balls! (ehm.. well you get it).

not a victory (5, Insightful)

plams (744927) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461221)

These news may be great for filesharing people worldwide. But from a political point of view the Piracy Party has not won until the the servers are back up on swedish territory.

Re:not a victory (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461260)

The Pirate Bay != Piratpartiet.

Re:not a victory (2, Insightful)

colganc (581174) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461270)

I don't think people are seeing at as a victory. I believe people are seeing at as a sign of TPB's will to continune on.

I suspect that's only a matter of time... (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461281)

As long as their laws are worded the way they are, the Police is in Trouble as is the Minister of Justice who ordered the raid. The only reason why they fired up the Bay where they did was to get it back up before the brouhaha was settled.

Yo Ho Ho And a Bottle of Rum (1)

TFBundy (978951) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461240)

First time in years I got off my butt and actually donated money towards something...

...and... (1, Funny)

rathehun (818491) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461268)

I love their new logo.

Server logs? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461277)

The torrent files that the Pirate Bay hosts are, it appears, legal in Sweden. However, the copyright infringement being perfomed by the individuals who download those torrent files and use them to make unauthorised copies of other people's work is certainly not legal in Sweden.

So, what's the likelihood that any records they may have kept of who's been committing copyright infringement are now in the hands of the Swedish police, the Antipyratbyran, and indeed the MPAA?

Pretty high, I'd say. Expect more raids soon... but this time, targetting the people who are committing the actual crimes, rather than the people who are exploiting legal loopholes to facilitate them.

Re:Server logs? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15461293)

Listen to the interview [slashdot.org] . According to one of their admins, they don't keep logs. He specifically mentions that they aren't stupid like that.

safety (3, Interesting)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 8 years ago | (#15461292)

But do we feel safe that we used pirate bay? It's not insane to think that the police will follow up IPs of DLing torrents and use this as "reasonable" evidence to investigate further in other countries (USA for example), then take this as far as to taking down trackers or even tracking down single IPs and sueing/arresting people.
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