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364 comments

IS THIS A FUCKING JOKE??!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469627)

If it is, it is both funny and well executed, but I think we both know it isn't.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Leave well enough alone.

Roll back the CSS change. Please... do it now

GODDAMMIT just fucking KILL ME, PLEASE !!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469686)



GODDAMMIT just fucking KILL ME, PLEASE !!! This is one ass-fuck after another here.

I agree, it's been fun (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469691)

The layout's fine. Wasn't broken, didn't need changing, but whatever.

The font is AWFUL. Maybe it looks good on a Linux box or on a Mac, but the subjective readability of Slashdot's text on IE6 has just dropped by 50%.

The only good thing about this is that I'm going to get about an hour of my time back every day I avoid reading Slashdot.

Good luck, guys, it was fun while it lasted and I enjoyed most of my time here.

Re:I agree, it's been fun (1)

grub (11606) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469723)


The font is AWFUL. Maybe it looks good on a Linux box or on a Mac, but the subjective readability of Slashdot's text on IE6 has just dropped by 50%.

Try increasing the font size. I did in Firefox on Win2k and it's much better, at least I won't have eye cancer by 2008.

Nope (1)

mcc (14761) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469784)

The font is AWFUL. Maybe it looks good on a Linux box or on a Mac, but the subjective readability of Slashdot's text on IE6 has just dropped by 50%.

Looks terrible on the macintosh as well. You get some kind of unholy resonance with the built-in text antialiasing that just slaughters readability. It's just one big blur, like the page is all antialiasing and no text.

The only good thing about this is that I'm going to get about an hour of my time back every day I avoid reading Slashdot.

I'm thinking maybe I should finally get around to trying out Digg. If slashdot really wants to be Digg so hard as to steal their layout, I might as well just go ahead and read that instead.

New layout? (-1, Offtopic)

mcc (14761) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469628)

Am I just hallucinating, or did slashdot just switch over to that new CSS layout like they were threatening to last week?

Hm. I don't think anyone's ever accused slashdot of being pretty, but this new layout is somehow even uglier. How do I turn this off?

Re:New layout? (1)

RavenChild (854835) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469648)

It might look worse if it was all black on a CRT/"TrueLife" LCD. (Look in the mirror.)

Re:New layout? (1)

w33t (978574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469650)

Yes you are hallucinating, but also yes they changed the layout.

Personally I think this new layout is nice.

It's clean and more with the times.

Also, I'm pretty sure this new layout now makes slashdot fully web 2.0 compliant ;)
--
Music should be free [w33t.com]

Re:New layout? (1, Offtopic)

Darkmeerkat (916965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469663)

I see it too. It's still chops my name down to "Darkmeerka" in the user menu, though...
It seems more "plasticy" to me, I guess. I kind of like it. Reminds me of this comic [userfriendly.org] .

Butt ugly *and* slow! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469670)

Gawd, I thought it took Microsoft to take something functional and go the extra mile to make it both ugly and slow, all in one fell swoop... :(

Re:New layout? (0, Offtopic)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469671)

I like it, but the nested comments aren't indented enough.

Re:New layout? (0, Offtopic)

eln (21727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469678)

The new layout looks too much like every other site out there. The old slashdot was simple, the new one is generic.

Also, the comments in nested mode don't indent as deeply as they used to, so it's harder to see the difference between the different levels of nesting. They should fix that.

Things change, get used to it. (0, Redundant)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469688)

n/t

Re:Things change, get used to it. (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469799)

Funny. A person supporting a site that sells vinyl records telling others to get used to change...

Re:Things change, get used to it. (1)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469838)

Sells?

Re:Things change, get used to it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469870)

Funny. DTardredge talking about other people when he is the biggest fucking hypocrit on this site!

Re:New layout? (1, Interesting)

pjbgravely (751384) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469690)

I wish I knew, this is too bright, and my monitor is already turned so dark I can barely view pictures. I guess slashdot is no longer a site for headache sufferers unless there is a workaround.

And on top of it all it's another dupe.

Re:New layout? (4, Interesting)

Osty (16825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469707)

Am I just hallucinating, or did slashdot just switch over to that new CSS layout like they were threatening to last week?

(Yeah, yeah, this is off-topic)

Looks like you're not hallucinating. However, it also looks like they didn't really bother testing it, either.

  • Loading pages spikes my IE7 process to 100% CPU for a minute or so, even on short pages like this one.
  • The subject and comment box I'm typing in right now extend too far to the right (or more precisely, they're not lining up on the left correctly, pushing the boxes out to the right).
  • A number of the collapsible arrows on the main page to hide sections and such simply don't work
  • Speaking of the left-hand section headers, don't click on them. If you do, you'll waste a couple minutes while Slashdot AJAXly tries to load configuration information.
  • The "Meta Moderated" link in the "Have you Meta Moderated recently?" block is unreadable (dark green on dark gray)
  • Bulleted lists in comments don't display correctly, at least in the preview. For those that can't tell, this indented section here is supposed to be a bulleted list. (This one is also broken in FF)
Interestingly enough, most of the above issues are fine in Firefox. While I realize Slashdot is Firefox-friendly and anti-Microsoft, I wouldn't be surprised if 50%+ of their traffic is still on Internet Explorer. I don't have IE6 installed on this machine so I can't veriify that the site works correctly there, but it's horribly broken with IE7. Way to go, guys.

Re:New layout? (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469755)

So they haven't tested a beta browser, possibly on a beta operating system, and this is a problem? I'd say it's your browser that's the problem, it works fine in Firefox.

And I like it. It's clean, modern, and it twists the nips on all the /. luddites, which is always a plus in my book.

Re:New layout? (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469845)

So they haven't tested a beta browser, possibly on a beta operating system, and this is a problem? I'd say it's your browser that's the problem, it works fine in Firefox.

Beta browser, yes. Beta OS, no. I'm on XPSP2. Anyway, while IE7 is still beta, it's layout-complete. That means that barring any really major bugs, the HTML/CSS behavior you get today in Beta 2 is what you'll get when IE7 actually ships. Maybe Slashdot happened to find a major bug in IE7 layout, but I doubt it.

And I like it. It's clean, modern, and it twists the nips on all the /. luddites, which is always a plus in my book.

I like the layout as well, mostly. It does need some tweaking (mostly positioning, spacing, and a few minor color tweaks for readability), but overall it looks good. The problem is that it looks good at the expense of functionality. The site is very resource-intensive now, and a lot of the new functionality (like collapsing sections, circa 1998) is just broken (again, in IE7). It's a sad fact of life that it's easier to give criticism than praise, and I'm sorry that I jumped right into the problems without mentioning that I do like the direction it's going. However, I'm also not going to bury my head in the sand and rain down kudos when there are still problems.

Re:New layout? (0, Offtopic)

T-Bone_142 (917711) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469721)

i like the header the footer, but the nav and main body just look to fake and dont flow at all :(

Re:New layout? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469738)

its ugly and when I resize browser window in Firefox comment text gets cut off

I'd love to be able to hide the left-hand nav bar. (2, Insightful)

astrosmash (3561) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469739)

It seems to take up more screen real estate than the old one, and I never use the damn thing anyway.

I like the design, overall, so I figure it's time to pick nits. And what's with using Tahoma? Not as bad as Verdana, but still, ugh. What's next, .aspx pages served from IIS?

Re:New layout? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469764)

Hm. I don't think anyone's ever accused slashdot of being pretty, but this new layout is somehow even uglier. How do I turn this off?"

I think it looks horrible. Kind of feels like a vague attempt to look "90's future", like a computer screen on Babylon 5 or ST:TNG.

Also, whoever designed it clearly has no experience with fonts. The logo on the top banner is blurry, the Helviticarial all-caps "tagline" is crisper and looks tacked-on at the last minute. The bold-white-on-green headlines are also blurry (and yes, I'm on a nice LCD monitor that's carefully calibrated.) The main body text is in sans seriff which is a difficult to read when the paragraphs get long. The strength of this font in web design is that it's very legible in small sizes, such as on menus on the side (speaking of which, the lines on the menu feel like they're too far apart.)

Of course, this is just an opinion, but I liked the old version-- a bit clunky but it had charm.

Re:New layout? (1)

residieu (577863) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469785)

And they decreased the indentation for replies. Now its even harder to keep track of what a comment is replying too. Good work, slashdot!

Amendment to the list. (5, Funny)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469629)

I don't see the iBuzz [ibuzz.co.uk] listed anywhere? Common, admit it already! "Crisp, Beautiful Visuals" my ass! We all know what kind of "visuals" you have on going on your 2.5-inch screen.

PS: Woah, CSS change. Nice!

GNAA FP (0, Troll)

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Slashdot CSS (1, Offtopic)

ericdano (113424) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469633)

Should we nominate the new Slashdot CSS layout for the 2007 best awards?

I dunno, I kind of am longing for the old look. I think the colors are lighter or something. It doesn't feel right anymore.

Re:Slashdot CSS (1, Informative)

Simulant (528590) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469862)

This new look... it's making my eyes water. Looks odd on 1280x1024 LCD. Hard to focus.

Re:Slashdot CSS (4, Insightful)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469865)

Honestly, I think we should have the option of using the old version. But the biggest issue I have with this version is that it COMPLETELY breaks up the flow of how I read comments. I used to be able to skim comments by their mod points. If I wanted to read a bit faster, I wouldn't change my threshold or anything, but I would just kinda skim over the 3s and maybe 4s since I browse at +3. However now that the comment scores are on the FAR RIGHT....completely away from all the rest of the post information, my eyes are jumping all over the screen and it is screwing things up.

Please for the love of god fix that, or give us the option of going back to the old way. If it aint broke, don't fix it.

Help help pls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469635)

New Slashdot layout is ugly :(

Pls help how to change back to old Slashdot?

If it were an open poll... (-1, Offtopic)

deminisma (703135) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469636)

The new look /. might get my vote. What a transformation, seriously.

Re:If it were an open poll... OMG PONIES WOULD WIN (1, Offtopic)

kusanagi374 (776658) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469692)

No way! My vote would go for a "OMG PONIES!" version of this layout... Really, pink would look perfect on this one... *giggle* OMG!

Re:If it were an open poll... OMG PONIES! (1)

texaport (600120) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469819)

I wish someone would have let all of us know there would be a change ....
Next time I wish you would let someone in my department know ....
You know, you could at least have let ME know about it....
And why was all this changed during the weekend....
The change broke my password during login....
Who's in charge of all this stuff....
Is techsupport available now...

Re:If it were an open poll... (1, Offtopic)

w33t (978574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469696)

is it really that different? looks like everything is in the same spot to me.

the functionality is identical - but I admit, it is kind of like a new pair of shoes. They look awesome! but they are a little stiff until you walk around in them for a bit.
--
Music should be free [w33t.com]

CSS (-1, Offtopic)

newell98 (539530) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469641)

New Slashdot design! Now I can stop compulsivly reloading the homepage :P

And now it's time... fooor.... completely OT post! (-1, Offtopic)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469644)

I just hate the new skin. I have to get it out of my system. I friggin hate it. I keep hitting the hide/show section titlebars when I wanna click the links, the "Read more" link is not next to the X of X posts, the page is WAY too wide.

I hate it :(

Re:And now it's time... fooor.... completely OT po (4, Informative)

therage96 (912259) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469661)

Not to mention the score is now on the far right from the title of comments.

Usability was definately not considered here.

Re:And now it's time... fooor.... completely OT po (2, Insightful)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469705)

Not to mention the score is now on the far right from the title of comments.

I also hated that, it makes no sense. On my wide screen, by the time my eye reaches the right side of the monitor I've forgotten which post I'm looking for. Short memory, or wide monitor? Or crappy skin? voting for the latter.

The colors are way too contrasting, the sans-serif fonts make formatting less distinctive (like italics) and it looks really wrong.

Damn it :P

On the other hand, maybe I'll do some work now :)

Re:And now it's time... fooor.... completely OT po (1)

wolrahnaes (632574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469834)

Don't maximize your browser window when reading large amounts of text, such as Slashdot. It's hard to read extremely wide pages anyways.

I have a Dell 2005FPW, and I keep my firefox window taking up 2/3 the screen width, with an IRC window right below it and IMs taking up the rest. Works great for multitasking. I never did this up until a few months ago, when I had a Powerbook for about 2 months and got hooked on the not maximizing thing.

Who thought this was a good idea? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469672)

It looks like Steve Jobs shit all over it.

Re:And now it's time... fooor.... completely OT po (0, Offtopic)

RavenChild (854835) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469675)

If you click them really fast the triangles get mixed up.

Re:And now it's time... fooor.... completely OT po (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469704)

I agree...I also find it annoying that the title of post and the score aren't next to each other anymore. Now I have to look across the page...

Re:And now it's time... fooor.... completely OT po (0, Offtopic)

Basehart (633304) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469818)

Waaaaah, Waaaaah, I want it back like it was this morning. Waaaaah :-)

Re:And now it's time... fooor.... completely OT po (0, Offtopic)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469828)

I like it, I can learn to love it but for gods sake please bring back the "Click here to read more" link.

New layout (1, Interesting)

AchiIIe (974900) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469646)

I just reloaded and lo and behold the new css is up. Are you not going to publish a story on this, taco? Anyways this looks great, keep up the good^W work.

Sad for MS (5, Interesting)

grub (11606) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469651)


They have two products listed: a keyboard (#54) and the Xbox 360 (#89). Odd for a company that focuses mainly on software. Apple has a decent showing, even Ubuntu Linux shows up at #27.

Re:Sad for MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469700)

Whoops, my mistake: #39 is Windows Live Local (google earth wannabe)

Re:Sad for MS (3, Insightful)

toddestan (632714) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469777)

On the other hand, a product that enables Macs to boot Windows XP comes in at number 10.

Missing from TFA: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469658)

Bottom 100 Tech Products of 2006: 1) New layout burrrrrrrrn karma burn. slashdot inferno!

Dual Core Processors (5, Interesting)

bwave (871010) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469659)

Can't believe they feel Intel Dual Core 2 Duo X2 Dual-Processor CPU2 better than the Athlon 64 X2?

Re:Dual Core Processors (2, Informative)

wolrahnaes (632574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469847)

I love my AMDs, but the Core 2 Duo is making a better showing in preliminary benchmarks than the X2. Remember, the P4's NetBurst architecture was what made it such an abortion. Pentium M, Core, and Core 2 are all evolutions of the Pentium III's "P6" architecture, which was a much better competitor with AMD.

First they post an article (1, Flamebait)

scenestar (828656) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469664)

On the stupidity of web2.0

A few articles later the site looks like goddamn Digg

give me back my slashdot

(seriously, I wonder how long it takes before someone writes a greasemonkey script or ff extension)

Re:First they post an article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469714)

Funnily enough, userscripts.org seems to be slashdotted.

1st (3, Funny)

mortonda (5175) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469665)

1st post not talking about the new layout....

uh... wait. dang it!

Seriously... Re:1st (1)

mortonda (5175) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469683)

Ubuntu only made 27th?

I'm impressed. I've always hated Debian because it was arcane and hard to use/learn. Ubuntu takes all the rough edges off.

Anyway these lists are pretty subjective. Nice way to use a non-story to introduce the new layout. ;)

Re:Seriously... Re:1st (2, Informative)

grub (11606) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469753)


Nice way to use a non-story to introduce the new layout. ;)

They kicked it in at 9:30 my time (32 minutes ago). I was editing a journal entry, reloaded and thought I was having an acid flashback for a sec.

Man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469667)

does PC world HATE Microsoft. Call it what you will, but Xbox 360 is much higher than 89.

Gahhhh! (0, Offtopic)

Rank_Tyro (721935) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469669)

I think some sort of warning would have been nice, I spent 3 minutes reloading before I figured out my browser wasn't hosed.

I think this new layout would not be on the top 100 list...

Congratulations on the new layout (1)

techmuse (160085) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469674)

Wow. It's happened. My online experience will never be the same again...

Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (1, Insightful)

w33t (978574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469681)

Ever notice how easy it is to say something bad about anything?

I like this new layout - but it seems that people like to post about what they don't like about something more than what they do. This new layout is clean and modern.

if you don't like it then tell us some specifics on why you don't like it!

I admit, it's different, and it's ok to be scared by things that are different. But as times change so must one if one wishes to survive. You cannot grow without change. Growth is change.

Of course, everyone is entittled to his or her own opinion - this one is mine :]
--
Music should be free [w33t.com]

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (1, Offtopic)

EvanED (569694) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469716)

if you don't like it then tell us some specifics on why you don't like it!

I think it'll take a bit of getting used to... but I think the "read more" links back on the front page should move back to their old location. There was a bit of a shock when I couldn't find it at first. I don't think this is a "wait 'till you're used to it thing" because my cursor tends to hang out in the middle of the screen, so the links used to be closer to their common position.

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (1)

w33t (978574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469727)

hmm, that is a good point EvanED. That did kind of throw me off a bit at first too.
--
Music should be free [w33t.com]

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (0, Offtopic)

EvanED (569694) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469855)

After using it more, I have a couple other suggestions (or complaints, depending on what tone you want to read it in):

* If you are on a page that doesn't have much content (e.g. the page with *just* this post until someone replies to it) the footer rides too far up, at least running with a height of 1200. (Looks like it'd be the same in 1280x1024 by my estimation.) There should be more vertical space added so that there isn't a couple inches of black at the bottom of the screen; it's distracting.

* No "parent" link when you're replying to a post. I'm pretty sure there used to be one 'cause I went for it instanctively. (So if you wanted to see the parent of the post you're replying to you could get to it with one link, as opposed to two (opening the comment you're replying to directly via the #15469727 link, then parent).)

* Another poster mentions that if you click the sidebar links too fast then the arrows can get out sync with whether the menus are up or down. Minor issue I think, but one someone should take a look at eventually.

* Did there used to be ads above the header? I never noticed them before if so. They'll probably fade from consciousness though. (When I used Opera I would go for a couple months without realizing there were ads. I'd then notice them, be like "oh yeah!" then forget about them the next day for another couple months.)

* I agree with the other posters that the score for comments being right-aligned makes browsing harder. (This *might* be a 'get used to it' thing.)

* There's what I consider an indentation bug. If a comment with a score above the current threshold for showing the full comment is a parent to a comment with a score below the threshold, the indentation is almost non-existant. I posted a screenshot [evanparity.com] of such a configuration. (I don't want to link to one because moderations can change.) I don't think this is a "get used to it" change.

* I also don't like the spacing between comments. (Assume that all comments in this aren't displayed; you just see the title.) If a top level comment has children, there's a significant space following the last child. But if it doesn't, there's no space. Again, a screenshot [slashdot.org] (and hastily added and barely-readable comments) shows what I mean. At a glance, it looks like that chunk of four comments in the middle are all part of the same thread. I don't think this is a "get used to it" change.

I don't want to sound too negative, because I think the change is okay overall, but it's harder to find nitpicks than it is things that are good. Though I can say I like the arrows that appear over the links on hover in the nav bar to the left.

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (1)

wolrahnaes (632574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469856)

yup, that got me too.

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (2, Insightful)

notque (636838) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469734)

if you don't like it then tell us some specifics on why you don't like it!

1. The faded icons on the sidebar look like any html template look you'd find on a website. They don't look nice, just cheesy.
2. It's brighter, which for some reason gets on my nerves. I like being able to fade into the lull of the old colors.
3. It looks like any other blog. I like to pretend that Slashdot isn't just a blog, but a professional website full of incompetent writers.

We will all get used to it, but it sucks. It didn't need to be changed. Weeeee.

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (1)

ericdano (113424) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469837)

What they should have done is given users another CSS to choose from. Slashcode [slashcode.com] is running a pretty close to the Old Slashdot layout but in CSS.

I don't like the colors either. They are lame.

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (2, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469736)

if you don't like it then tell us some specifics on why you don't like it!

It's clean and modern.

KFG

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469760)

Ever notice how easy it is to say something bad about anything?

It helps a lot when the thing is really and truly bad. Like this layout. God. It's awful.

if you don't like it then tell us some specifics on why you don't like it!

Well, put the old one back. That wouldn't solve everything, but it at least would be a good first step.

Of course, everyone is entittled to his or her own opinion

I disagree, not if the opinions are going to be as terrible as yours :(

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (4, Insightful)

ResidntGeek (772730) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469783)

1. The font sucks. It's harder to read.
2. Too much white, like there's too much space in between everything.
3. Posts not indented enough, it's hard to tell what's a reply to what without much pointless scrolling up and down.
4. Accidentally clicking on the "sections" header opens a settings box which won't go away for a minimum of 5 seconds after you click the [x].
5. The "Read More" link is far away from where my eyes and cursor end up after reading the summary.
6. Scores on the wrong side of the comment header.
7. Why the hell isn't the old layout an option? CmdrTaco was explicit in his statements that it was just a superficial redesign with no drastic changes, it can't require much more than an extra variable in the code.

I'm sure I'll keep discovering reasons to hate it as time goes on. If you'd like updates, just say so and I'll post them here.

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (1)

w33t (978574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469823)

hehe, Actually I kind of would :D
--
Music should be free [w33t.com]

Re:Thank you for your opinion - now here's mine. (2, Informative)

masterzora (871343) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469791)

if you don't like it then tell us some specifics on why you don't like it!
Gladly. The short version:

-The score being on the far right of the comment rather than near the title.
-The colors look like too sharp a contrast (not to the point of eye-hurtiness... just enough to look wrong)
-Newspost boxes separate all the info into small boxes without defining the newspost box (it just looks screwy)
-Overuse of gradients

And that's a small sampling. I couldn't tell you if any of them are real design faux pas, but I don't like them.

Craigslist (5, Informative)

alfs boner (963844) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469682)

The real irony is that Craigslist tends to be, like Ebay (which was responsible for 3/4 of ALL internet fraud complaints), something you have to approach EXTREMELY carefully.

People on Craigslist tend to be really flaky- we're talking the stoned kind of flaky, or the "I'm going to try and cheat you because I think I'm clever" kind of flaky; I'm not sure which is worse. Then there are all the wierdos posting in the various personals section- if you want a great laugh (no matter your gender), read those sections; makes you think of someone walking into McDonalds with $2 and expecting a rare Filet Mignon with sauteed mushrooms. Or the ever popular "I'm hot. Send a picture. Sexiest one wins." I laughed for about 5 minutes so hard I couldn't breathe, and resolved never to look in w4m again because it was dangerous to my health, even if it was a fantastic laugh.

Top problem though, is that people are complete IDIOTS when it comes to listing their items. "Printer. Best offer." Inkjet? Laser? Dot matrix? Made this decade? God forbid they tell us what company made it. I also love it when useless, worthless stuff is offered up- like cheapo computer speakers. People, I'm all for the recycling bit, but take that shit to the RECYCLING CENTER, don't waste anyone's time putting it up for sale for $5. Round trip subway fare costs at least half that...

The hysterical bit is that Craiglist supposedly has an "advisory committee" that handles how the site is presented to users. When I complained that even basic instructions were never shown to users as part of the posting procedure and it was clear there was a problem, Craig just replied, "thanks, the committee will think about it".

Then there are the people who post the "free" iPod/plasma/whatever emails (which are usually flagged by the community)...the problem is that there's nothing to keep them from posting over and over, because (to my knowledge) there is no automatic blacklist after X number of posts flagged...so spamming is pretty easy.

Then there are the ripoffs. Go read your city's /sys/ for a few minutes, and see how many times you say "WHAT?!"...like people asking $500 for a Pentium 3 system. Go read /ele/ and see how many times you see "Theater Research" speakers being offered for $500; the more honest (or naive) ones admit to buying it from some guys in a white van...the others just think "oh well, I'll get some other sucker to buy 'em".

Classic example of the try-to-sucker-you-by-omission-and-feined-ignorance approach was a Phaser printer being offered for sale for a few hundred $ with no mention of WHY nobody uses wax printers anymore. In short- you MUST cover your ass like crazy. If it's too good to be true, it most certainly is someone trying to sucker you.

Typical, but when you consider it against Craig's motivations (community building and other crunchy-granola-ness), Craigslist has ultimately been a pretty spectacular failure. I used to report at least 5-6 posts a day to the abuse department for various reasons (all were accepted, and the abuse group IS very nice; they ALWAYS write you back! To the CL abuse staff, you have my sympathies and admiration), and I just got tired of it...it was like throwing a sandbag into a levee break and watching it disappear.

I also have a policy now, which I inform sellers of upfront. If the item is different from how it was represented in the post or follow-up emails, both of which I will have with me, I walk out the door- this is after several sellers presented something that was nothing like what they described (like a PC missing half its ram, being sold by a software programmer who played dumb. Riight).

Re:Craigslist (1)

dick pubes (963843) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469706)

like cheapo computer speakers. People, I'm all for the recycling bit, but take that shit to the RECYCLING CENTER, don't waste anyone's time putting it up for sale for $5. Round trip subway fare costs at least half that...

I think that freecycle [freecycle.org] deserves a mention to help people dispose of stuff that has too little monetary value to hassle a price with it, but yet want to keep it out of the dumpster. Also, it is helping people out.

i'm okay with the new design but.. (1)

Dance_Dance_Karnov (793804) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469687)

instead of a new design i think /. should fix some very real issues with the commenting. No editing for one. The fact that one has to use html to make a longer than one line comment readable. This is 2006, I shouldn't have to put in breaklines manualy.

Re:i'm okay with the new design but.. (1)

MrP- (45616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469699)

unless something changed with the new design, use "Plain Old Text" mode and it works with regular line breaks

but it also works with html such as this bold text, see?

Re:i'm okay with the new design but.. (1)

Dance_Dance_Karnov (793804) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469709)

thats the thing, I shouldn't have to worry about if I've got the right mode selected, it just smacks of 1997.

Re:i'm okay with the new design but.. (1)

MrP- (45616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469746)

well i signed up in 1997 and set my default mode to Plain Old Text (in my preferences) so i've been fine since 1997

Re:i'm okay with the new design but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469816)

The new interface is a TURD!

Reminds me of the default LUNA XP interface

A turd is a turd is a turd. There was nothing wrong with the old syle...

Behold It's Glory (4, Funny)

TheMotedOne (753275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469693)

The games page is finally viewable without sunglasses.

Slashdot new layout crashes my Opera 9 (1, Offtopic)

okasion (697237) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469701)

Also it makes slower to browse in old machines. I want the old /. back.

Re:Slashdot new layout crashes my Opera 9 (1)

hugzz (712021) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469729)

The new slahsdot also causes my opera 9 to crash when I open comments pages.

I'm not sure who's fault it is (slashdot or opera's), since Opera 9 is still in beta... but I've yet to have opera crash more than once on the same page which leads me to wonder if there may be something wrong with slashdot

Re:Slashdot new layout crashes my Opera 9 (3, Insightful)

DavidWide (978087) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469808)

If a browser crashes, it's the browser's fault. No web page can be held responsible for a browser crash, regardless of content. File a bug report with Opera.

Re:Slashdot new layout crashes my Opera 9 (1)

krazytom (979225) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469815)

My Opera 9 Beta 2 is also crashing when I click on "read more." I just switched from Firefox too, this not leaving me with a good impression of Opera, I know its beta, but I would expect slashdot to write proper code.

Re:Slashdot new layout crashes my Opera 9 (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469839)

/. probably has proper code, and the beta browser probably has a bug. As was said by DavidWide, file a bug report. That's what beta is about, finding the bugs to fix them in the final release.

Re:Slashdot new layout crashes my Opera 9 (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469826)

I get some bugginess in build 8367 but built 8031 seems fine. I'll have to try one of the more up to date builds from labs.opera.com and see how that goes.

New /. ... I could learn to like this ... (0, Offtopic)

WoodieR (860635) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469702)

yes I believe I could learn to like this ...

MY EYES!!! (4, Funny)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469730)

THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!!

We need a way to choose CSS styles. (1, Offtopic)

Dash_Rantic (647004) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469733)

Seriously guys, maybe the old CSS needed to be changed, but this is a hell of a lot worse. It's hard on my eyes, hard to read, way too generic, and looks like it was based on Windows Vista. Come on. Can we the readers of Slashdot PLEASE have a way to switch back to the old CSS if we choose? I've been quite a longtime reader of Slashdot, but if this new design is kept with no way to switch, I'm going to quit reading Slashdot. I don't really know where I'd get my tech news from, since Slashdot is the best, but this design is absolutely horrible and makes my eyes ache (quite literally). Nastily clashing colors too... Yuck, did the guy who made this ever take a design class? OK I'm ranting now. But before I got modded down, ket me please as for some way to switch back! -Dash

Re:We need a way to choose CSS styles. (1)

kusanagi374 (776658) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469766)

Actually, there is a plugin for firefox that lets you change CSS styles on the fly... if you can get the address of the old css (or even the omg ponies one), you can change back and forth. You could try googling around or maybe a good soul will find the correct links for us?

Re:We need a way to choose CSS styles. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469830)

I cannot fucking believe I never saved the old CSS files. I knew I was going to hate the new style, what the hell was I thinking?? Please, somebody tell me they have it...

Bug Reports (0, Offtopic)

newell98 (539530) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469735)

Where can I file bug reports on the new layout? I've already found a few easy to fix CSS problems.

Mostly blank column (4, Insightful)

machine of god (569301) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469749)

How about letting the comments extend to the left edge of the screen. To be honest, I don't come here for the crap articles. Slashdot's real content is the comments.

The way it is now looks like a xanga page 'customized' by someone with maybe some aesthetic ability. It looks ok, but it's still generic as hell. The front page is pretty good, but the format doesn't support area where the real value of the site is.

another "please consider advertising with us" list (4, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469769)

This list reads like the top cars of the year list in an automotive magazine. Enough catagories so that each major mass market automobile manufactur gets one winner for each major automobile they produce. These lists are more like an effort to get more advertising from the manufacturers than editorial content.

So apple gets two listing for the ipod. Both Intel and AMD gets the top two spots. Hey, I wonder who makes chips for most computers? Googles gets a number of spots all the way through, and even Amazon, someone who probably advertises a lot but has done almost nothing interesting, gets an honorable mention for it's lame search facility. Throw in an award for every printer, every camera, and a few nods to popular technology, and can we say suck up.

I know that people like to complain about stealth ads on /. In this case, the complaints are warrented. This has no editorial content, and simply is a way for pcworld to prove to advertisers that pcworld cares about them.

Should have posted a separate story (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469773)

When the css change-over went into effect, it should have been a separate story; "New format in effect!"

Now the poor 100 best product story will be filled with NOTHING but comments on Slashdot itself.

Re:Should have posted a separate story (1)

Marcion (876801) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469788)

"When the css change-over went into effect, it should have been a separate story; "New format in effect!"
Now the poor 100 best product story will be filled with NOTHING but comments on Slashdot itself."

True but are not all stories "filled with NOTHING but comments on Slashdot itself."?

Its the hermeneutical circle, as the Slashdot community we get there in the end.

I for one welcome our new CSS overlords.

Apple List entries (4, Insightful)

Marcion (876801) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469775)

The Boot camp is at number 10, while the Mac Mini is down at 35??? Surely they are the wrong way around?

Surely the trip-proof magnetic AC adapter is far more important than Boot camp?

Apple got Windows working on Intel hardware, Big Whoppee, Windows on Intel, like fifty billion other people haven't already?

-----------------------
If this is nuts then excuse me but I having a hyper-fit with this new Slashdot layout. I'll just go lie down in dark room for a bit.

It burns us! Freezes us! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469776)

Filthy little CSS writerses hurts poor Smeagol. We can't reads the tiny Arial, we can't, noo. It's not very nice at all!

In Soviet Russia... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15469820)

In Soviet Russia, the 100 best tech products check out YOU!

The old Slashdot look... (1)

Dr. Zowie (109983) | more than 8 years ago | (#15469831)

... which took a lot less time to load despite being 100% as functional.
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