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French PM Unreceptive To RMS

Hemos posted more than 8 years ago | from the poor-reception dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Six month after the publication of very bad amendments to French DRM law proposal, Richard Stallman has been pushed back by the chief of security team of French Prime minister. On Friday 9th of June 2006 at 3.30pm, Richard Stallman, president of Free Software Foundation, led a delegation composed by Frédéric Couchet (Free Software Foundation France) and Christophe Espern (EUCD.INFO initiative) to meet the French Prime minister in order to talk about the French DRM law proposal and to deliver the EUCD.INFO petition signed by more than 165,000 French residents. Richard Stallman and his friends were pushed back by the chief of security team. "

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534 comments

RMS! (4, Funny)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517122)

Word of Advice: DO NOT try this in your home country.

Re:RMS! (1)

IDontAgreeWithYou (829067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517217)

Well, I doubt there are many (if any) countries in the world where you can show up unannounced at the door and get a meeting with the leader.

Step 1: Come up with a pet cause and a petition.
Step 2: Show up unannounced at world leader's office or residence and (SURPRISE) not be allowed in.
Step 3: Publish a story about how you were denied your meeting with the world leader. Step 4: ??? Step 5: Profit (if allowed by the GPL).

Re:RMS! (1)

IDontAgreeWithYou (829067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517238)

Forgot to preview:

Step 1: Come up with a pet cause and a petition.
Step 2: Show up unannounced at world leader's office or residence and (SURPRISE) not be allowed in.
Step 3: Publish a story about how you were denied your meeting with the world leader.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit (if allowed by the GPL).

Re:RMS! (3, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517292)

You missed a step:

Step 1.5: Try to schedule a meeting with the leader and get ignored

I'd be pissed off too if I represented 165,000 people and was twice blown off by some "leader" who was obviously too busy to do things like actually listen to his constituency!

Re:RMS! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517327)

Wow. RMS is nearly as important as Lyndon LaRouche.

Re:RMS! (5, Insightful)

IDontAgreeWithYou (829067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517386)

I don't doubt that the prime minister has no intention of meeting with RMS, but in fairness their request to see the PM was two weeks before they showed up. It is quite possible, and in fact likely, that the PM of France might actually be so busy as to not be able to schedule a meeting within 2 weeks. We're talking about DRM here, not a pending German invasion. It can wait. I doubt there are many world leaders you could get a meeting with in less than two weeks.

Re:RMS! (3, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517460)

The PM doesn't have to schedule it himself; that's what secretaries are for. If nothing else, two weeks should have been enough time for the secretary to at least reply with something like "we received your request, and it's waiting to be processed" (assuming they sent it by some reasonably speedy method).

Re:RMS! (1)

timster (32400) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517342)

Don't forget to bring a megaphone and stand outside the window of the leader's office, reciting important plot twists from books that he was planning to read.

Re:RMS! (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517446)

Why not. He would get almost the exact same treatment?
Oh it is because you think that France has more respect for free speech the the US...
I guess you didn't see the protests/riots on CNN over labor reform, you might also try this in Google France+Rainbow+warrior
That being said trying to force your way into seeing any government official is at best dumb and most likely dangerous.

They Resisted Something? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517127)

What happened, they were all out of white flags?

RMS Diary (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517130)

8am - Wakes up outside the Center for Marxist Education in Cambridge as another bum shits on him. Thinks this sucks and that he would like an apartment, but can't find a landlord with an apartment that is free as in speech and beer. Falls back asleep.

9am - Wakes up again.

9:15am - Goes to men's room at MIT to wash shit off. Gives himself sponge bath. Shit comes off (somewhat), but he really isn't clean since he refuses to take a shower.

9:45am - Decides to shave 2 inches off beard after someone in MIT restroom mistakes him for Osama Bin Laden.

10am - Goes to McDonalds for breakfast. Gets into arguement with workers behind counter after they refuse to give him a free as in speech and beer breakfast. Also gets into arguement with the manager about why McDonalds should be called GNU/McDonalds due to the fact that he eats there.

11:30am - After being thrown out of McDonalds since the staff doesn't want a DGH deterring lunch rush, RMS goes to the McDonalds' dumpster to find food. Eats a "GNU/Quarter Pounder" and "GNU/fries" covered with "GNU/mold". He consideres the food better since it is free as in speech and beer.

12:30am - Goes back to MIT to recruit MIT students into writing free software. RMS is unable to enter anyone's office since everyone has placed spider plants in their offices. (He has a phobia a spider plants.)

1pm - RMS protests GWB (George W. Bush) for not being GNU/GWB and believing in copyrights. Wanders out of Cambridge and into Waltham. Police find RMS and arrest him for violating the ordinance that says he is not allowed to enter Waltham. (All towns surrounding Cambridge have this ordinace.) Police beat him and deport him back to Cambridge.

3pm - Goes back to MIT and creates a plan for dealing with overpopulation by killing everyone who uses non-free software. Writes code into next version of emacs to implement that feature

5pm - Tries to read email. RMS finds out he is dangerously over quota due to an email from Doctress Neutopia. This email is 65 megabytes of nothing but ASCII text. It is similar to an email he gets everyday since 1995 when he and Docress Neutopia had a brief fling. The email says that she would like to have a relationship with him, but he needs to accept her lovoution, stop his polygamous goat fucking and clean off the hair, dirt, food, and feces off his keyboard. RMS responds with a 9 megabyte email (of nothing but text) explaining that he could only consider getting into a relationship with her if she changed her name to GNU/Doctress Neutopia.

5:30pm - Reads rest of his email. His email is bombarded with trolls and goatse. RMS is turned on by the goatse and beats off to it.

6pm - Still beating off to goatse

7pm - Still beating off to goatse

8pm - Still beating off to goatse

9pm - Breaks into MIT vending machine to have a free as in speech and beer snack.

10pm - Breaks into a liquor store for free as in speech and free as in beer beer. Gets drunk.

10:15pm - Walks around drunk yelling, "Use free software!!!!", "It's GNU/Linux you capitalist pigs!!!!" and "I am a goat fucker!!!!".

11:45pm - Collapses in front of the Center for Marxist Education. Goes to sleep.

Re:RMS Diary (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517191)

"Falls back asleep."

Funny , thats just what happened to me before I even got close to the
end of this lame excuse for "humour" which the poster has obviously been
saving for a rainy day to cut and paste. Sad.

Wow, you sure showed him (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517281)

Funny , thats just what happened to me before I even got close to the end of this lame excuse for "humour" which the poster has obviously been saving for a rainy day to cut and paste. Sad.

...because certainly the point of the original post wasn't made to evoke a response or anything...

Re:Wow, you sure showed him (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517339)

Lot of effort just for people to think him a wanker.

Re:RMS Diary (1)

renehollan (138013) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517479)

10pm - Breaks into a liquor store for free as in speech and free as in beer beer. Gets drunk.

If you're gonna troll, troll right. While it's fine to parody or satire, inacuracies greatly reduce the chance of the troll catching a newb unawares:

RMS does not drink beer.

Pushed back? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517131)

You mean knocked back, right? I expect that the choice of words was by a French person, but Hemos, isn't it your job to fix things like this? Just because the original article uses bad English, it doesn't mean Slashdot has to.

Re:Pushed back? (1)

gowen (141411) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517167)

Hey! That's not fair.

Slashdot editors have been using bad English for years before this article came along.

Re:Pushed back? (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517467)

I think a more likely translation would be turned away.

No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (4, Insightful)

ucahg (898110) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517132)

Failing to have an appointment organized with the Prime Minister, Richard Stallman then decided to go to the ministry at Matignon (the place where French Prime minister works) on Friday 9th of June at 3h30 pm, with the printed list of the 165 000 signatures of EUCD.INFO petition and to try to be received by the Prime Minister and to deliver the EUCD.INFO petition (printed on a 17 meters long banner).


Is this really a news story? Someone without an appointment tries to seek a personal audience with a world leader and is denied? That's not anti-DRM, it's just common sense.

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517215)

Doesn't the French PM know who Richard Stallman is? Oh, he does...

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (5, Informative)

DaPoulpe (795028) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517224)

Then the problem may be that he was denied an appointment in the first place don't you think ?
For they are not just "someone" but 3 individuals quite involved into this DRM saga, thus having points and a petition to be discussed.
Bill Gates is received with all the honors by the President and RMS & Co can't even reach the prime minister or even some random official guy ?

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (1)

InsaneGeek (175763) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517271)

Maybe his history of antics have worked against him and now is listed under the "cooks" category.

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (1)

Ithika (703697) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517376)

now is listed under the "cooks" category.

The French have a great reputation as food lovers, and should be only too happy to receive a foreign cook who is interested in their cuisine.

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (1)

deadhammer (576762) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517442)

And as we all know, the French certainly hate their cooks. What with their pans and ovens and ingredients! The nerve!

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517287)

Bill Gates is the leader of Microsoft, the largest software firm in the world. Microsoft produces software used by most of the computer systems in the world, being the market leader in operating systems, office productivity software and database management systems.


Richard Stallman is an unkempt bum who is supposedly "afraid of water".


One of these people get denied when trying to strongarm their way into a world leaders workspace. I wonder who?

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517351)

So basically the guy with lots of money gets a meeting, but the guy who represents 165,000 people does not?

What a remarkably clear-cut demonstration that democracy is dead and plutocracy has taken its place.

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517352)

It's called using the right channels.

You don't simply walk up and demand an audience.

You write to the necessary folks, follow the protocol and you'd probably be assigned a time if they felt that the time was worth it, and if it would have some benefit.

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (0)

DaPoulpe (795028) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517404)

I would have to agree if he just walked there as such.

But as somebody already pointed out they'd written to the French minister's office 15 days beforehand that they didn't even bother to answer to.
When they showed there, they got told by an official that "the decision of not meeting with RMS had been maturely considered".

Right channels issue ? Don't think so..

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517406)

You write to the necessary folks...

You must have missed the part in the article where they said they did write to the necessary folks, and got ignored.

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (2, Interesting)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517383)

Then the problem may be that he was denied an appointment in the first place don't you think ?

Umm... No. I fully support anyone who chooses not to meet with RMS, for whatever reason they choose.

-jcr

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (0, Flamebait)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517225)

It's a news story only because RMS was "pushed" back instead of tear gassed and beaten as many would expect with all the rioting going on over various government proposals. I guess irrationality is returnign to French politics now.

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517240)

A letter was send 15 days before, and no one answered.

When they get there, an official said "the decision of not meeting with RMS had been maturely considered".

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (1)

cptgrudge (177113) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517289)

How does this get moderated Troll? It is common sense. If I walked up to the Governor in my state without an appointment and started trying to convince him to use (GNU)Linux on every state computer, I assume that I'd get stopped too. Does the submitter think that RMS should be getting special treatment?

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (1)

bigattichouse (527527) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517315)

As a sign language interpreter in Jueneau, AK I once met the governor (Tony Knowles), and he gave us (two teachers, me, and the deaf child) a personal tour of the governors office. Alaska is such a cool place.

Re:No appointment and he was pushed back? Horror! (2, Insightful)

RingDev (879105) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517297)

Not only that, but if you are going to attempt to barge in for an unscheduled appointment, at least dress appropriately! I mean, you're going to meet the Prime Minister, don't you think a tie is in order? Or at least a step up from khakis and a polo shirt? These guys look more like college kids than the heads of political organizations. I wouldn't take them seriously either.

-Rick

Who said RMS had common sense? (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517463)

Is this really a news story? Someone without an appointment tries to seek a personal audience with a world leader and is denied? That's not anti-DRM, it's just common sense.

Zealotry and common sense are not mutually exclusive, though they often do not seem to coexist.

Uh, no surprises here (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517134)

You show up at a major countries statehouse and demand entry and some security guard tells you to get an appointment, no big surprises here.

Re:Uh, no surprises here (1)

Moderatbastard (808662) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517311)

You show up at a major countries statehouse

One, it's "a major country's".
Two, they probably don't call it a statehouse.
Three, it isn't a major country's statehouse, it's France's.


Informative? I don't think so.

Re:Uh, no surprises here (1)

gorbachev (512743) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517329)

You show up at a major countries statehouse...looking like a hobo...

Re:Uh, no surprises here (1)

rjdegraaf (712353) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517344)

You show up at a major countries statehouse and demand entry and some security guard tells you to get an appointment, no big surprises here.

What if you never can get an appointment?

Re:Uh, no surprises here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517360)

It should be possible to turn up with a petition. Only a few years ago (well, probably well over a decade, now), it used to be "normal" to turn up at No 10 in the UK with a petition signed by 90,000 people on some subject. It would be taken in by some low level civil servant and the papers would be taking photos.

Nowadays, you'd get chivvied out of there in case there was a bomb in the box...

Get a haircut! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517135)

One look at RMS and they thought he was a terrorist!
 

Re:Get a haircut! (0, Flamebait)

jest3r (458429) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517275)

I would "push them back" too.
Stallman looks like a street bum wearing clean clothes. When visiting the leader of a country he should at least get a garter belt to suck in that beer gut .. and shear off the out of control hair. I don't want to know what he's got hidden in the beard ... leftovers?

Re:Get a haircut! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517373)

He fits in fine with parisians.

Great Photos (1)

Doomedsnowball (921841) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517137)

The photos were great, but I had trouble downloading the license to read the DRM'd text.

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517140)

An uninvited guest gently removed from the vicinity of a major politician by security forces?

Colour me shocked.

Tag: Obvious (2, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517142)

The delegation led by Richard Stallman was kindly but firmly pushed back by the chief of security team of French Prime minister saying : the decision not to receive Richard Stallman was mature considered .

In the PCInpact article Frédéric Couchet, from FSF France, evokes the difference in treatment between the reception of Bill Gates as a Head of State by the president of the Republic and that of Richard Stallman by the chief of the security team of Matignon . Richard Stallman believes to have the explanation: Gates is the emperor, we are only citizens , he said.
- duh. Earth to RMS: some French dude, who happens to be a PM of France doesn't HAVE to listen to you and choses not to listen to you, but if you offer money he may reconsider, are you surprised?

(note: I am not saying BG offered money, I am saying BG is seen as someone, who can bring monetary advantages to a country.)

Shocking (0, Flamebait)

I Like Pudding (323363) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517145)

You would think the French and RMS would get along better what with both of them having so much in common. The odor, the excessive body hair, the truly MASSIVE egos, the inability to compromise - oh, wait, there's the problem.

Re:Shocking (4, Funny)

I Like Pudding (323363) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517237)

Flamebait my ass. If making fun of the French is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Re:Shocking (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517288)

It's not the making fun of the French that got you that mod.

Re:Shocking (1)

I Like Pudding (323363) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517392)

Bah. Joke about the sacred cow and get modded into oblivion. Complain about the moderation and get modded offtopic. Prepend a comment with "I'm going to get modded down for saying this" and get a +1, insightful. Such is the tao of Slashdot.

I admit my original comment was flamebait, but, damn it, it was funny flamebait.

He Was Not Invited, And Wanted An Audience... (4, Insightful)

Real World Stuff (561780) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517146)

with a head of state. This was simply a stunt to gain exposure. I am all for supporting the proliferation of free software and the free software movement, but this will only marginalize the cause yet once again at the hands of RMS.

Re:He Was Not Invited, And Wanted An Audience... (1)

Sumadartson (965043) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517453)

Wow. Does this man know anything about the real world? Has he ever been to Europe? To France? Out of his bedroom? He could have at least worn a suit.

I love how this gives free software such a professional image. Really, this is a giant step forward.

What a stupid... hippie.

wow, big shock there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517150)

You don't just come up to the President of France / USA / anywhere and start chatting about open sores. If ANYONE did that to chat about ANYTHING they would be pushed back, it's called basic security precautions. Kudos to the French security team for being on the ball.

Lucky he wasn't shot... (4, Insightful)

Manip (656104) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517154)

So Richard Stallman approached the French Prime Minister's delegation, and tried to force their way though to have a private word with him about DRM laws? ...

Even outside of politics that isn't acceptable behaviour. How would you feel if you ran a business and as you left the office the CEO of another company was trying to convince you to sell your shares to him, following you about and such? ... That just isn't normal behaviour.

Normal people make a meeting... Or if failing that they write the grievance down and hand deliver it. They don't make a run at the guy, and try and get it words and then act like a victim when it doesn't work.

Damn right the security pushed him back... He should have been asked to leave if he acts like that.

Re:Lucky he wasn't shot... (5, Informative)

jeremie_z_ (639708) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517269)

Actually many associations (APRIL, FSF France, EUCD.INFO) wrote many letters to ask for an interview between the prime minister and RMS. Actually none of them was answered.

Letters were sent a few days ago to tell the day and hour of his coming (he flew from Boston especially for this occasion), so he wasn't exactly "forcing his way" and the guards said that de decision to refuse him was "maturely decided"... This is a political decision of not receiving him, and nothing else.

Re:Lucky he wasn't shot... (-1, Troll)

slashdotnickname (882178) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517308)

Normal people make a meeting... Or if failing that they write the grievance down and hand deliver it. They don't make a run at the guy, and try and get it words and then act like a victim when it doesn't work.

Yes, but this is France, barging in and having them surrender to your demands should of worked.

Re:Lucky he wasn't shot... (5, Insightful)

hahiss (696716) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517465)


Well, one difference is that the PM is in charge of a democracy, whereas the two people in your analogy are economic competitors. One might reasonably be inclined to think that those in charge of a democracy have some duty to listen to their citizens, and one might also wonder just how accessible our ``leaders" are these days. (I live in Texas, and I'm way to the left. Do you think I'm going to get an audience with my insanely conservative senators to explain why they should support net neutrality or abortion rights or drug legalization or gay marriage? Yeah, ``make an appointment"---that's a great idea.)

Of course, RMS is not a citizen of France (though other members of the delegation are), and we can always debate the effectiveness of any particular political action/stunt. But the idea that he was just being rude because he was demanding attention from the elected leaders of a democracy is the kind of notion that ensures that the status quo (and whoever owns it) rules the day.

Big petition (0)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517157)

Wow that petition is long.

At least he could dress a little better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517162)

He looks like a haggard bum next to the two other guys. At least he could have worn a suit!

You'd think the French would love him (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517170)

Him being a dirty, stinky commie and all...

no offense to RMS (4, Insightful)

asv108 (141455) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517175)

but he is the last person that should be representing the free software community to politicians. You need a clean cut person in a suit who is familiar with the politics of that nation. Why do think people hire lobbyists instead of appealing to politicians directly?

Re:no offense to RMS (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517355)

ehm, what about this oh-so-crazy idea: the PEOPLE should represent the PEOPLE

Re:no offense to RMS (1)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517421)

That's a fine idea, provided you do it the right way. Which apparently RMS is not.

Re:no offense to RMS (1)

thrillseeker (518224) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517389)

Why do think people hire lobbyists instead of appealing to politicians directly?

For the same reason people don't like making their own sausage - they have the same lack of stomach (ha!) for grinding pig intestines that they do for placing a hundred thousand bucks in the politician's reelection fund.

Re:no offense to RMS (1)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517419)

You need a clean cut person in a suit who is familiar with the politics of that nation.

So politicians should ignore people who don't dress in suits? I expect you think that Gandhi should have been ignored because he was just a tramp in a loincloth, right?

Rough security (1)

phillips321 (955784) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517184)

Richard Stallman and his friends were pushed back by the chief of security team.
Being man-handled again are we? Next time take some reinforcements http://www.answers.com/topic/slingshot [answers.com]

newsflash (2, Insightful)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517195)

Disgruntled man stopped by security when he barged his way to French parliment and demanded to see a top MP! This is really a piece of non-news. Just because he's got a petition doesn't give him the right to see them. If he really wanted action to take place he'd organise a series of protests that can't just be turned away.

better yet (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517218)

make the PM an offer he can't refuse, like blowing up the Eiffel Tower. The way RMS looks, I think they would have taken him more seriously then.

Re:newsflash (1)

phillips321 (955784) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517246)

Why protest. Negative publicity might not look too good in the PM's eyes. (and there are allways a few idiots who want to turn a peaceful protest into chaos)

Re:newsflash (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517424)

protests get the issue in the public domain. Do you think the general public (who dont visit tech news sites) will hear anything about this denied meeting? DRM relies on public ignorance to propogate, if a good portion of the country take offence to it, it can't survive. Look at the Sony fiasco for a good example of this

Confused... (4, Interesting)

Ajehals (947354) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517244)

Im confused by this story. Firstly If someone turns up to see the Prime minister / President / Head Honcho of any country (or most organisations) without an invitation or appointment they are likely to be told "thanks, but no thanks". I don't really think that the "pushed away" part of this article, which appears to be the focus has any bearing on anything at all. (FTA: The delegation led by Richard Stallman was kindly but firmly pushed back by the chief of security team of French Prime minister saying : the decision not to receive Richard Stallman was mature considered .)

The French government seem to be split on issues relating to open source (Software patents and DRM etc.) but do seem to be discussing it in public and with some authority, putting France somewhere at the top of the list of countries doing something about the issues at hand. We don't know which way it will swing, but at least we know it will be discussed first. Oh and congratulations to the 165,000 French People and 1000 Organisations who signed the EUCD.INFO petition, your doing something and this story should have focused on you, not on getting the most interesting headline.

Re:Confused... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517394)

Let me correct you on this: the French government doesn't give a damn about DRM, they want to please the industry. They don't want debate, they don't want to be convinced: they don't care. On the other hand, some people the parliament, who have a more direct relation with the citizens, are willing to discuss. And they try to do things properly. But the government doing its best to nullify their efforts.

Please don't get mistaken into believing that France can show the way here. The reports you read about Apple and interoperability were shortsighted at best. We're just about to get the equivalent of the USA's DMCA, which is not a sign of progress.

Give Me A Break (3, Interesting)

TheFlyingGoat (161967) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517250)

So their complaint is that the French PM's office wouldn't arrange a meeting with them, so they showed up at the door with a petition? And then they go on to try contrasting it with how the world's richest man (Gates) was received by the PM's office?

Give me a freakin' break.

Although Stallman has done a lot for free software, government officials probably don't know nor care who he is. I'm sure the French PM's schedule is CRAZY, and like any head of state they would NEVER allow a walk-in visitor. The behavior of the PM's office is predictable, and yet they decided to go anyway instead of finding some better method of getting their petition to the PM.

Stallman should focus on actually trying to improve the state of things instead of weak publicity stunts like this. He's an attention whore, plain and simple.

Re:Give Me A Break (4, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517318)

The behavior of the PM's office is predictable, and yet they decided to go anyway instead of finding some better method of getting their petition to the PM.

How were they supposed to find some better method when the PM's office wouldn't even dignify their request with a response, pray tell? If the secretary had even made an attempt to arrange something that would be one thing, but being ignored completely is unacceptable.

Re:Give Me A Break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517435)

Have you ever considered that maybe neither the French PM nor any other Prime Minister or head of government figure anywhere in the world cares about Stallman, the FSF or anything else of this kind?

Only because some angry nerds believe something to be important, it's not necessarily so.

Must be a powerful hidden agenda at work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517251)

You know something's fishy when people are oblivious to rms's charm.

Seriously if he thought this was a good way to protest it wasn't. Near certain to backfire and potentially even dangerous.

Now go away... (4, Funny)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517260)

On Friday 9th of June 2006 at 3.30pm, Richard Stallman led a delegation composed by Frédéric Couchet (Free Software Foundation France) and Christophe Espern (EUCD.INFO initiative) to meet the French Prime minister in order to talk about the French DRM law proposal. Richard Stallman and his friends were pushed back by the chief of security team.

...or we will taunt you a second time!

The Oder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517293)

Even the French have standards about bathing, even as low as they are; I'd force him out too if I had to smell him. Perhaps RMS should take a shower for once, before he tries this again?

Arg! I am embarrassed by my countrymen. (4, Insightful)

bigattichouse (527527) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517294)

I am an American, and I have to say to mr. Stallman:

Please wear a suit when trying to meet with foreign dignitaries.

And at least wear your hair back and trim your beard a little. You look like a hippy slob, and that was how you were received.

You do free software a disservice by appearing like don't you give a crap. You expect them to take you seriously looking like you don't take them seriously?

Re:Arg! I am embarrassed by my countrymen. (0, Troll)

rjdegraaf (712353) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517395)

I am an American, and I have to say to mr. Stallman:

Please wear a suit when trying to meet with foreign dignitaries.

And at least wear your hair back and trim your beard a little. You look like a hippy slob, and that was how you were received.

...


Said by a guy from the home of the free. As free as he tells you how to act.

No suprise... (1)

TheCabal (215908) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517296)

Why does anyone continue to give Stallman any credibility? A publicit stunt for sure, but in the end could very well reflect negatively on the community as a whole.

a 2 bit shave and a hair cut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517301)

RMS might do better if her were to dress and groom better. The hippy programmer thing just doesn't fly with most politicians. Aside from not having an appointment he just looked like a slob that no politician, expecially a French one, would ever want to be photographed with. If he had groomed he might have gotten someone to LOOK at his petition rather than just get turned away.
I'll bet that Gates didn't go to see the French president wearing his normal ugly blue shirt that looks like he's been wearing it for the past week and a half. I still wouldn't want to be photographed with him, though.

That's a long petition (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517302)

Perhaps RMS should get an electronic copy. I guess he's just not all that technologically literate though.

You may not agree... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517323)

You may not agree with Stallman's tactics, but the message this sends is clear: The people passing today's draconian intellectual property laws they are NOT representing the general public -- they are representing coporate interests.

Bill Gates is a citizen of the US, just like Stallman. Gates and Stallman take opposing viewpoints on the particular issue, and both are well known and intelligent individuals with strong arguments. However, only Gates was allowed to talk to the PM.

Stallman tried to get an audience with the PM, but was refused. It was only after the refusal that he tried to just "barge in", and there is *nothing wrong with this*. This kind of thing has happened throughout history -- a corrupt goverment has favored a certain group of people, and the unfavored group resorts to any tactics necessary to get themesleves heard.

Those of you who are criticizing Stallman, saying thing like "duh, I could have told you this would fail"... You're totally missing the point. Stallman also knew it would fail. Why else would he have a cameraman on hand ready to document the event. He's making a point, and it seems like a lot of people are missing it.

In a very real sense, Stallman represents the little guy, and Gates represents the corporate interests. In a very real sense, the goverments are NOT listening to the people. When the governments are only hearing one side of the story on DRM/copyright, it should be obvious that the laws are going to be heavily biased. And *this* is what is bad. Nobody from the opposite end of the spectrum is being listened to, and we are LOSING OUR RIGHTS.

Stallman is out there putting his ass on the line to show people this, and hopefully reach a larger audience than the few geeks on Slashdot who already know how bad everything has gotten. Before you get too critical of his methods, ask yourself what *you* have done to help turn the tide. Because sitting on your ass complaining about the shutdown of The Pirate Bay isn't accomplishing a damn thing.

Poor PM... (2, Funny)

DMiax (915735) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517333)

... having RMS after you mustn't be a nice experience! He is the real victim of this. :P

And here I was thinking (3, Funny)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517341)

the story was about a poorly designed French Power Module not working with alternating current

The best compiler around (1)

mr_bk (886349) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517357)

I use things originally written by Mr. Stallman about every day---notably gcc and gdb. It takes a special kind of brilliance to write a debugger---one that I certainly will never have---and I admire him for doing such great and valuable work.

His comparative advantage, and his most successful means of bringing people to the Free Software movement, is in writing good code. Too bad he doesn't do that anymore.

Pity France. Rational thought is useless. (0, Troll)

meburke (736645) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517363)

This stunt was bound to fail on a diplomatic level, and probably succeeded in it it's real purpose: RMS self-agrandizement.

France is a culture of peasants. The government is Paternalistic to the extreme. The citizenry accepts that the government will regulate their lives, and attempts at direct independence are futile. This is why France is the laughingstock of Europe, and that is why the French are so grouchy. Pity them and ignore them. Economics will make believers out of them in time.

Mike

Re:Pity France. Rational thought is useless. (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517403)

succeeded in it it's real purpose: RMS self-agrandizement.

Heh.. Richard probably thinks so.

-jcr

Re:Pity France. Rational thought is useless. (1)

Epeeist (2682) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517440)

Have you actually been there? Are you aware of Diderot and Voltaire? Are you aware of the protests against the government that have been going on recently?

Re:Pity France. Rational thought is useless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517447)

Think about the French Revolution, about Lafayette and about P. Paoli who inspired the basis of the American constitution. My 2 cents ;)

Re:Pity France. Rational thought is useless. (1)

DMiax (915735) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517449)

France is a culture of peasants. The government is Paternalistic to the extreme. The citizenry accepts that the government will regulate their lives, and attempts at direct independence are futile. This is why France is the laughingstock of Europe, and that is why the French are so grouchy. Pity them and ignore them.

Everyone can think anything she/he wants about other people. Some also say it, this is the problem.

165,000 signatures??? (2, Informative)

ivoras (455934) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517367)

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France [wikipedia.org] ), France has a population of over 63 milion people! 165 thousand is probably the size of average village over there. It's nothing.

Since there were so little signatures, this could mean three things: a) there's and evil scheme to supress free speech and petition signing, b) people are not well educated on the subject or c) people simply don't agree with the petition. Choose one.

Re:165,000 signatures??? (2, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517444)

Maybe France is different, but here in the US there's a huge discrepancy between the number of people who hold an opinion and the number of people willing to take the effort to express it (by signing a petition, voting, or whatever). I would say 165,000 signatures is a lot even here, let alone in France.

Not to mention the difficulty in advertizing the thing in the first place, and the logistics of getting the document and the signer in the same place.... it's likely that most of those 63 million people never even had the oppertunity to sign it, because they never heard about it.

Look at the photos (4, Interesting)

T.Hobbes (101603) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517371)

here [tofz.org] . Stallman spoke to the security guards on the street outside the office, was denied entry, then unrolled the (very long) petition of concerned citizens in the gutter as a symbolic gesture. He didn't rant and rave and try and push his way into some gilded office.

You've GOT to be kidding me... (1)

nettdata (88196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517420)

Hell... I wouldn't let him in to see ME, even if I knew who he was!

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for the "relaxed" dress code and all, but if I'm meeting a new client, I'll sure as hell put on the monkey suit and try and look respectable.

NEVER MIND if I were to try and see a world leader, without an appointment.

Did he seriously expect to actually meet the guy?

For real?

I think someone's losing touch with reality a bit...

parfume (4, Funny)

drwho (4190) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517448)

I'd say it was because of RMS' bodily odor, but then I remembered that this was France we're talking about.

Looks like RMS is hiding something... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517454)

a basketball under his shirt :P

Don't feel Bad for Richard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15517461)

his trip to france was obviously tax deductible.
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