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Sony Pushes Back Release For Blu-Ray Players

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the series-of-unfortunate-events dept.

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Sony has announced that their first model of Blu-Ray player will release in August, not later this month as originally announced. The BDP-SP1, retailing for $1000, will now ship on or about August 15th. Bad news for fans of the new format, and even worse news for the PS3. Since Sony's lackluster E3 showing, a string of bad news has seemed to conspire against the company's next-gen console. From the Gamers with Jobs article: "With the PS3's high-end model coming it at a whopping $400.00 less than a stand-alone Blu-Ray player, Sony needs to release these players as soon as possible. If they wait too long, the PS3 will begin looming on the horizon, causing even devout early adopters to question the intelligence of buying a stand-alone Blu-Ray unit. Sony also needs the largest possible installed base, come launch-time for the PS3. For the Blu-Ray player to be the PS3's version of the PS2's DVD player, casual technophiles need to be able to see the virtues of the Blu-Ray format. If there are few players, and few titles, this might not happen."

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Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517970)

If they wait too long, the PS3 will begin looming on the horizon, causing even devout early adopters to question the intelligence of buying a stand-alone Blu-Ray unit.
Assuming the PS3 blu-ray player actually works [wikipedia.org] , then it will be an issue for Sony to consider.

My friend bought a first generation DVD player and it's still functioning to this day. I think it even has some of the codecs built into it (MP3, AVIs, etc.). His PS2's DVD functionality went out long ago. And that was after he participated in the first recall [megagames.com] .

Buy a game console for its games. Buy a media player for its media playing abilities. Let's stop encouraging the console makers to bloat their consoles. Concentrate on one thing and--for the love of the game--get it right!

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (2, Interesting)

Moqui (940533) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517988)

Buy a game console for its games. Buy a media player for its media playing abilities. Let's stop encouraging the console makers to bloat their consoles. Concentrate on one thing and--for the love of the game--get it right!

While this seems apparent to you or I, for some reason those in the marketing departments of major companies really do think that more is more. I agree with your sentiment, and will second the right is better notion.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518532)

I don't think that many people really understand what the marketing people are doing though. I think that it is buyer mentality that really shows this. People will pay 5 dollars more for features that they will never use, just for the option of using them if they wanted to.

There are many times I have bought things that cost just a bit more for features that I didn't really need. Like who needs a progressive scan output when I don't have anything that can play progressive? But since the option was there, I got it anyway. I'm just saying that options that are available, even though they might never be used, are a huge factor in purchasing.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (4, Insightful)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518036)

Movies and gaming have a deserved mutual understanding -- as time goes on, they both need more space. This is why console makers keep going into the markets of the next gen video media. Take DVD's for example -- Sony and Microsoft didn't choose DVD's over CD's because they wanted to be able to market to consumers that wanted to watch movies -- they needed more space (I know of a few PS2 games that take up multiple DVD's, I don't even want to think about how many CD's that would take). True, they COULD develop their own proprietary format, losing countless amounts of dollars in R&D and ending up with something that is pretty much a DVD anyway (except not). Your competitors would just eat the licensing fees and go with DVD -- they would be able to market to the consumer "hey, we play those DVD movies in addition to having games that fit on one disk (usually)". Blu-ray promises the ability to cope with the ever-increasing capacity requirements of modern games (although I think it'll be a while before a game actually needs that much space).
Take Nintendo for example -- they went with their own proprietary mini-disc format... and look where it got them: the bottom of the console market. I think the PS3 would be much more attractive if they went with a DVD drive, like the Xbox 360... but I'm sure eventually the BR capacity will be used (pr0n?).

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (5, Insightful)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518063)

Concentrate on one thing and--for the love of the game--get it right!

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I have to disagree. I love my PSP. I can surf the web for downloads, watching movies (UMD and ripped DVD's), listening to streaming audio, listening to my MP3's at work, and even playing a game occasionally. It's the only portable device I own other than my cell phone and I think it works great. It satisfies my needs perfectly. The wireless gaming is especially addictive, and I'm really getting hooked by Force Commander's play-by-email because I can keep the game going while satisfying my wife's nagging requests. As for media centers, I realize the niceness of a receiver to organize your devices, but I really yearn to take all of my machines and consolidate them into one. Do I really need 6 boxes sitting next to my television? Cable, DVR, DVD, VCR, Xbox/PS3/Wii/whatever, and then the receiver, plus speakers and the television? How large does my media cabinet have to be?

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (2, Funny)

daybot (911557) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518083)

...so you keep gaming while satisfying your wife?

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (1)

Trigun (685027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518238)

Button mashing is button mashing. Doesn't matter where.
At least he's not playing a First Person Shooter.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (3, Funny)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518249)

It would bring a new meaning to head shot.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518269)

In every gaming article that comes along, someone makes the off comment about the supposed wife and/or girlfriend. Do you think that gamers don't have wives? Do you think that somehow, by gaming, you will not have the time to dedicate to a wife? If that's the case, I choose gaming. I'll stay single if wives take that much time to maintain.

The only other possible answer to this is that someone wants to pretend to have a full "life". They want to degrade and downtrod someone else to make themselves feel better about their lack of "interesting" things to do in life.

I'm sorry, but if I have to compete with my neighbor (or the Jones Family) to make you happy, your going to live a sad..sad life.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (2, Insightful)

ookabooka (731013) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518073)

Buy a game console for its games. Buy a media player for its media playing abilities.

Why not get a computer to do both. . .oh and wordprocessing/surfing :-p. Or do you subscribe to the "Jack of all trades, master of none" philosophy?

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518075)

Concentrate on one thing and--for the love of the game--get it right!
Well said...that's right on!

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (1)

BalanceOfJudgement (962905) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518211)

I certainly hope Sony crashes and burns for this, not really because I dislike Sony (I'm rather ambivalent about the company itself) but just because I want to see Blu-Ray fall flat on its face. Regular DVD works just fine for me, thanks, without the draconian DRM contained in Blu-Ray.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518597)

Big mistake. HD-DVD is out and for sale now. The sooner Sony fails, the sooner HD-DVD wins and the push will be on by studios to have it replace DVD.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518351)

"Buy a game console for its games. Buy a media player for its media playing abilities. Let's stop encouraging the console makers to bloat their consoles. Concentrate on one thing and--for the love of the game--get it right!"

Wow, what a stupid karma whore.

Let's see, for $499 you get a PS3 from Sony that:

* Plays 1080p HD BluRay movies over component cables
* Plays 1080p games - yes the PS3 is powerful enough there are already 1080p games
* All the same exclusive games that 103+ million people bought Playstation 2s for
* Complete backwards compatibility with 8000+ Playstation games
* Complete backwards compatibility with 8000+ Playstation 2 games
* Free online play for all non-MMORPG games
* Linux
* Webbrowsing in 1080p on your HD TV or monitor and other desktop apps
* Tilt controller

Compared to the 200-250 Wii which looks to be fun at parties but will have graphics as crappy as the 360

Or the Xbox 360 which will end up costing you over 700 bucks for the non-worthless version at 399 + 50 bucks a year over four to five years just to play online. And that doesn't include HD movie playback. Or the overpriced accessories.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518415)

Look at the stupid Sony whore calling other people stupid karma whores.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518419)

Hey, look, I can copy-paste too! Tell you what, I'll actually edit mine.

Ah, the Sony-astroturfer. I would have thought E3 would have made that an extinct species, but...

* Plays 1080p HD BluRay movies over component cables
* Plays 1080p games - yes the PS3 is powerful enough there are already 1080p games


I'll skip HDMI this time, and move right on to the part where no one has a 1080p TV. Hell, my computer monitor can't do 1080p, and it's far more advanced than my TV. HDTV has a miserably small install base, and 1080p-capable installs are a tiny fraction of that.
No one cares about 1080p, because the 1080p install base is tiny.

* All the same exclusive games that 103+ million people bought Playstation 2s for
* Complete backwards compatibility with 8000+ Playstation games
* Complete backwards compatibility with 8000+ Playstation 2 games


Until, of course, the companies realize no one is buying PS3s are re-releases them for the Wii or the XBox360. And given how well the PS2's "backwards compatibility" works, that 8000 number is probably a bit on the high side.

* Free online play for all non-MMORPG games

Yeah, not having a coherent online infrastructure kinda helps with that. What exactly does Sony plan on offering online, again? Anyone know?

* Linux
* Webbrowsing in 1080p on your HD TV or monitor and other desktop apps


Yeah, a heavily crippled version of Linux. Especially considering that half the PS3's memory is useless to Linux thanks to the 16MB/s read speed. See above for the number of people that have a 1080p TV. See WebTV for how well that works otherwise. No one wants to browse the web from their TV. It sucks.

* Tilt controller

You mean the less-useful version of the Wii Remote, the one without force feedback, the one with poor battery life, the one that prevents more than one PS3 from being used in a given range? Yeah, I'm really sold on that.

Compared to the 200-250 Wii which looks to be fun at parties but will have graphics as crappy as the 360

I don't care about graphics. I love my new DS Lite, and its graphics are barely N64-level.

Or the Xbox 360 which will end up costing you over 700 bucks for the non-worthless version at 399 + 50 bucks a year over four to five years just to play online.

Given that the expected retail price for the non-worthless version of the PS3 places it at $650-$700 (due to abysmal yields), that sounds like a bargain! $700 will get you a useful PS3 and maybe a game or another controller.

Face it, fanboi, the PS3 is going to be an abysmal failure. $700 may be "cheap for a Blu-Ray player" but I don't want a fucking Blu-Ray player. I want something like the Nintendo Wii.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518424)

In most articles involving Sony, there's always one AC who does a couple of aggressively pro-Sony posts with /exactly/ that style of writing. Are you paid, financially involved, or just a fanboy?

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518499)

> Compared to the 200-250 Wii which looks to be fun at parties but will have graphics as crappy as the 360

This is false.

The Wii will have none of the graphics problems that plague 360 games. The Wii has a graphics system that is over a year more advanced than the 360's and has none of the boneheaded design choices Microsoft for whatever reason made.

There will most certainly be more bumpy/shiny types of games on the 360 that the Halo/anything shiny segment of the console gaming market will proclaim as the 'most powerful' just like they did with the first Xbox.

The only way the 360 is going to be able to compete with the Wii on graphics is if Microsoft starts allowing developers to run their games in 480p. Otherwise the 360 is going to be forever known as the system with low framerates and screen tearing and other graphic problesm.

Re:Will PS3's Blu-ray Even Work Though? (1)

ClassMyAss (976281) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518514)

Whether or not the Sony Blu-Ray devices work/come out/cost a fortune, why the hell are they trying to force another video standard on us when half of our TVs can't even do justice to the picture quality on DVDs? What's the problem with DVDs anyhow? Switching away from magnetic tape was one thing, because it had noticeably inferior picture compared to cable and degraded rather quickly over time, but I think (hope) this attempt to get us to switch to Blu-Ray may meet with about the same level of success as LaserDisc.

I for one will save my money, thank you very much. And while we're on it, forget the PS3! The only reason I ever bought a PS2 in the first place was for Katamari Damacy; as much as I love that game, next time I'll probably go without unless they switch the series to the Wii. I think the events of the past six months or so may go down as the start of a long string of mistakes that killed Sony for good.

What are they thinking? (1)

gforce811 (903907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517975)

Sony has been very disappointing recently. I don't know what's wrong with their business side of things...their decisions with music services, the quality of their products, and especially playing 'copy-cat' don't seem to make much sense.

Re:What are they thinking? (1)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518535)

SONY has always SUCKed!

You're just seeing the truths that many a young 12 yr old discovered after dishing out $100 for SONY Walkmans that died 4 months later. Just in time for the poor little kids to discover that the warranty had expired!

sniff sniff (5, Funny)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15517980)

I love the smell of a corporate implosion in the morning.

Re:sniff sniff (1)

pedalman (958492) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518451)

Perhaps they could bundle a copy of DNF with the PS3 to encourage sales.

Can Sony survive this easily? (3, Insightful)

gasmonso (929871) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518000)

With the XBox 360 out and doing well and Nintendo realeasing soon with a great prices... will Sony recover from this? I just don't see any excitement around the next Playstation... all I hear is bad news.

http://religiousfreaks.com/ [religiousfreaks.com]

Re:Can Sony survive this easily? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518072)

"With the XBox 360 out and doing well"

Bwhahaha!!!

Oh god! The EasyBake 360 just got outsold by the six year old PS2 for the sixth of the last seven months!

The Fahrenheit 360 is completely dead in Japan.

The Halo 360 has been sitting in piles in stores all over Europe with price cuts already and the POS console still hasn't even reach a million sold over there.

Yeah guy, the 360 is really doing 'well'.

Is the 360 even selling better than the 3DO? The 3DO must have sold more than two million by this point. The 360 hasn't even broke two million sold after seven months on the market.

Dead...

Re:Can Sony survive this easily? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518406)

IAWTP

Re:Can Sony survive this easily? (5, Interesting)

Mets1fan (981788) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518200)

Sony shouldn't have any problem recovering from a delay. The XBox 360 has already been out for 6 months, and by the time the PS3 comes out, the XBox 360 will have been out for at least a year. The buzz around the XBox system itself will have fizzled out, as the "new" novelty of the system will be gone. Nintendo has long been 3rd in the console rankings, and that probably won't change here. It has gotten a lot of buzz coming out of E3, and critics seem to love the system. It will come out around the same time as the Playstation 3, so Sony won't be hurt too bad from that standpoint. More importantly though, the name "Playstation" carries more weight than arguably any other system out there. Game consoles are not necessarily for the tech-minded. As cool as the Wii seems right now, little kids do not care about the blu-ray vs. HD debate, or how fun it would be to use a remote control to play games. These kids, the ones that drive the console industry, will be the ones who determine which console takes off. And they have the name "Playstation" engraved in their heads. It has long been at the top of the class, and reputation alone should be able to get it through these rough patches.

Re:Can Sony survive this easily? (4, Interesting)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518289)

Nintendo isn't thrid anywhere but the US. Its second everywhere else, with a higher profit than MS or Sony.

You put way too much value in the PS name. Nintendo made the same mistake with the N64, and look what happened. THe big dog can lose. Meanwhile, SOny is now putting out a $600 console. You're right- kids are one of the drivers for games. No parent is going to pay $600 for a gaming console. Even the 360 at $400 is high priced. At 1/3 the cost of the PS3, the Wii is going to wipe the floor with Sony.

Re:Can Sony survive this easily? (0, Troll)

ericspinder (146776) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518453)

Nintendo has long been 3rd in the console rankings, and that probably won't change here.
Why, because SONY pays you to say so?

Your only argument is that people associate PlayStation with gaming console, and while that is true, it should be noted that not all that long ago, Nintendo had that distinction. When SONY put out a better product for just about the same price, Nintendo started to lose.

reputation alone should be able to get it through these rough patches.
Yea and the producers of "Happy Days" thought that anytime Fonzie jumped something ratings when up. Personally, I see some very, very costly price competition of the horizon, which PS3 won't likely survive.

Re:Can Sony survive this easily? (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518650)

Hah. You're wrong because xbox 360 games coming out for Christmas are likely to look as good or better than the launch PS3 titles that haven't had the extra year to improve in development. When newspapers and the nightly news cover the hot new toys for Christmas and give their recommendations, they'll note the PS3 is extremely scarce and selling on ebay for $800. So for kids who want the best looking gaming, buy them a 360, or a Wii if your budget isn't that big.

Why Do We Want To Get Rid of Sony? (3, Insightful)

EXTomar (78739) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518346)

Why does anyone want Sony dstroyed? We are going to get some awesome titles out in the next two years simply because many ISVs consider the market in the air which applies pressure to Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo to perform and hunt for the best projects to sponsor. I enjoy the fact that Sony is pushing the technology envelope. Whether or not they are going about it the right way or could have picked a better set of features is a question for historians a couple of years from now. It might all be that Sony was a mere half a year off on their timing to push this stuff but I don't think anyone should stop them from trying.

The writing was on the wall: No matter how 'elite' the PS3 is they were going to lose market position because the competition is strong this time around instead of the limp wristed toss outs Nintendo and Microsoft threw last time. The only thing Sony could do is try to lead which means going out on the limb. They are way out on a thin branch where it might pay off or it might come crashing down.

As many who are going "ha ha!" at Sony's seemingly consistent knack for steping on all of the landmines, no one should relish a gaming world where Microsoft and Sony switch places. Do many of you think Microsoft will treat you better than Sony did if they dominate the space? I guarentee if Microsoft runs away with the market and crushes Sony we'll be back to same quite pace we've seen in the last few years. No thanks...I'll gladly take the three way race.

Naturally (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518004)

Am I the only one who thinks that the era of Sony's console dominance (they 0wned everyone with the PS1 & PS2) is finally coming to an end because of their insistance on packaging Blu Ray with the PS3?

Who cares? (4, Informative)

kpainter (901021) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518006)

I won't be buying anymore Sony junk, period. I don't care if it is late or not.

Re:Who cares? (1)

genooma (856335) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518443)

why? is there a real reason besides FUD?

The Blu-Ray curse (3, Insightful)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518009)

Addition by subtraction. A dual-layer DVD drive can hold near 10 gigs - more than enough for 1080i/1080p games. PC games have been at this resolution for years - most still fit on 3 CD's or less.

Do the right thing Sony. If you want the PS3 to thrive, cut the price in half and let the lower-end model use Dual-Layer discs.

Gamers don't care about blu-ray, home theater enthusiasts will buy a professional player. Ditch it. No way I'm buying a PS3 for the price of a 360, a Wii, and games.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518051)

Check post history.

Known paid for Microsoft astroturfer.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (1, Insightful)

lubricated (49106) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518093)

PC games have been at this resolution for years - most still fit on 3 CD's or less.

well, that's misinformation right there. pc games have been doing this but after you install a game off 3 cd's it takes up more than 3cd's worth of room because of compression.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (1)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518123)

Discs hold compressed textures. These compressed textures are uncompressed into memory.

So no, this is not a misconception.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (1)

lubricated (49106) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518167)

if you were to compress game info the way that pc makers do, load times would take forever. Sure some compressed texture are on the disc however as a whole the game isn't as compressed on a console disc as it is on a pc disc because you are loading of the console dist instead of just installing it.

Warning: rant inside. (1)

Buran (150348) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518153)

after you install a game off 3 cd's ... it eats up more hard drive space since the files on CD are compressed, and then demands that the disc be in the drive to run even though the entire fucking thing is on the hard drive, meaning that if the CD gets ruined, the software won't run, which means that you have to seek out and download and install a patch that will keep this stupidity from happening, for every bloody game you install

I've done this for everything I've got and I don't feel bad about it not one bit. The originals sit safely in their cases, no scratches involved. But geez ... programmers, wake up!

Rant over.

Re:Warning: rant inside. (1)

Ahnteis (746045) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518463)

It's not the programmers that need to wake up, it's the publishers.

But yes, no-cd patches are my favorite thing.

Barring that, I make a virtual image of the CD. (Apparently, having only a firewire dvd drive and no internal drives confuses just about every CD copy protection with the bonus of being easy to reach.)

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (1)

Orange Crush (934731) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518155)

And a game console can't use compressed data on its media? An install to HD isn't necessary either. Modern hardware is more than up to the task of decompressing on the fly.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518209)

But less than the size of a dual-layer DVD. What's your point?

Are there any PS2-gen games that require two discs? I can't think of any. And if there are any, it's probably due to FMV, which could always be done using in-game rendering, using far less space.

No game should need more than a dual-layer DVD, especially using compression.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (2, Informative)

Khyber (864651) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518233)

pc games have been doing this but after you install a game off 3 cd's it takes up more than 3cd's worth of room because of compression.

Psssh... NOT IN ALL CASES. Unreal Tournament GOTY is exactly the same size on CD as it is on hard disk. The only thing that happens is file renaming and some registry editing, and you're done. Almost the same case with most id software games as well, up until Doom 3. Note I said ALMOST.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (2, Informative)

emorphien (770500) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518243)

Agreed, but the worst part about the Blu-ray player on the PS3 is that it is slower than the DVD drive on the XB360.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518133)

"No way I'm buying a PS3"

Gee, a guy who is paid to sit around spreading FUD for Microsoft isn't going to buy a PS3??? No way!

Idiot, everyone can see your post history. You're not fooling anyone with your BS.

Oh, and the old DVD drives in Xbox 360s can only hold just over 7gigs. Developers are going ballistic over the lack of storage space on the 360. Console developers. PC developers. The Xbox 360 is the first console in history to have the infamous distinction of actually having less storage space than in a previous generation.

Thank god for BluRay and 25gig discs. No one wants to waste over 400 bucks on a gimped console like the 360.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518197)

"A dual-layer DVD drive can hold near 10 gigs - more than enough for 1080i/1080p games. "

Several 1080p games can fit on a single floppy (Minesweeper, solitaire, etc). Unless there is pre-recorded full-motion video involved, there is *no* connection between data storage format and a game's output resolution.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (1)

ralmin (459495) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518403)

Since when is Minesweeper 1080p? In the largest mode it takes up a total of 363 lines including the menu and title bars.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (1)

courtarro (786894) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518466)

If you want the PS3 to thrive, cut the price in half and let the lower-end model use Dual-Layer discs.

This isn't an option for Sony. The primary purpose of having Blu-Ray on the PS3 is to get the format into consumers' hands. Without the monopoly of Blu-Ray on the PS3, the head start HD-DVD has on it will make it all but impossible for Sony to get anywhere with Blu-Ray. Even if they drop Blu-Ray from only the cheaper PS3, they might as well officially raise the white flag in the next-gen DVD format wars.

Re:The Blu-Ray curse (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518475)

You assume that games must use Blu Ray when probably there is no requirement that they do. I expect that the PS3 will allow most games to ship on a DVD. But there is a very good reason that some might choose Blu-Ray more content, multiple language support. A single disc could support different languages, lowering costs and increasing flexibility for companies who don't want to pay for smaller production runs for every region they sell in.

Sony, PS3, and BluRay (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518024)

Let's see, for $499 you get a PS3 from Sony that:

* Plays 1080p HD BluRay movies over component cables
* Plays 1080p games - yes the PS3 is powerful enough there are already 1080p games
* All the same exclusive games that 103+ million people bought Playstation 2s for
* Complete backwards compatibility with 8000+ Playstation games
* Complete backwards compatibility with 8000+ Playstation 2 games
* Free online play for all non-MMORPG games
* Linux
* Webbrowsing in 1080p on your HD TV or monitor and other desktop apps
* Tilt controller

Compared to the 200-250 Wii which looks to be fun at parties but will have graphics as crappy as the 360

Or the Xbox 360 which will end up costing you over 700 bucks for the non-worthless version at 399 + 50 bucks a year over four to five years just to play online. And that doesn't include HD movie playback. Or the overpriced accessories.

Yeah, Sony is really screwing up...just ask any Xbox fanboy - like, oh, Zonk!

Re:Sony, PS3, and BluRay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518112)

Ah, the Sony-astroturfer. I would have thought E3 would have made that an extinct species, but...

* Plays 1080p HD BluRay movies over component cables

Nope. 1080p requires HDMI, and the affordable PS3 doesn't support that. Not that it matters, because no one has a 1080p TV. Hell, my computer monitor can't do 1080p, and it's far more advanced than my TV. HDTV has a miserably small install base, and 1080p-capable installs are a tiny fraction of that.

* Plays 1080p games - yes the PS3 is powerful enough there are already 1080p games

See above. No one cares about 1080p, because the 1080p install base is tiny.

* All the same exclusive games that 103+ million people bought Playstation 2s for

Until, of course, the companies realize no one is buying PS3s are re-releases them for the Wii or the XBox360.

* Complete backwards compatibility with 8000+ Playstation games
* Complete backwards compatibility with 8000+ Playstation 2 games


Yeah, just like the PS2 has "complete backwards compatibility". Except, of course, for the games that it didn't work with.

* Free online play for all non-MMORPG games

Yeah, not having a coherent online infrastructure kinda helps with that. What exactly does Sony plan on offering online, again? Anyone know?

* Linux

Yeah, a heavily crippled version. Especially considering that half the PS3's memory is useless to Linux thanks to the 16MB/s read speed.

* Webbrowsing in 1080p on your HD TV or monitor and other desktop apps

See above for the number of people that have a 1080p TV. See WebTV for how well that works otherwise. No one wants to browse the web from their TV. It sucks.

* Tilt controller

You mean the less-useful version of the Wii Remote, the one without force feedback, the one with poor battery life, the one that prevents more than one PS3 from being used in a given range? Yeah, I'm really sold on that.

Compared to the 200-250 Wii which looks to be fun at parties but will have graphics as crappy as the 360

I don't care about graphics. I love my new DS Lite, and its graphics are barely N64-level.

Or the Xbox 360 which will end up costing you over 700 bucks for the non-worthless version at 399 + 50 bucks a year over four to five years just to play online.

Given that the expected retail price for the non-worthless version of the PS3 places it at $650-$700 (due to abysmal yields), that sounds like a bargain! $700 will get you a useful PS3 and maybe a game or another controller.

Face it, fanboi, the PS3 is going to be an abysmal failure. $700 may be "cheap for a Blu-Ray player" but I don't want a fucking Blu-Ray player. I want something like the Nintendo Wii.

Re:Sony, PS3, and BluRay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518300)

Nope. 1080p requires HDMI

No. Please read some news from the last weeks.

I didn't bother reading more of your post since you started out so wrong.

Re:Sony, PS3, and BluRay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518529)

I didn't bother reading more of your post since you started out so wrong.

IOW: I couldn't find anything else wrong with your post.

Re:Sony, PS3, and BluRay (2, Insightful)

jizziknight (976750) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518236)

Yeah, Sony is really screwing up...just ask any Xbox fanboy - like, oh, Zonk!
Yeah, Microsoft and Nintendo are really screwing up... just ask any Sony fanboy - like, oh, YOU.

Half of the points you made are irrelevant until the consoles have actually been out for a couple years. Look at the first few titles for the GC, and then at the ones that have been coming out recently. MUCH improvement. Personally, I'm not really seeing that with the PS2. In fact, I'm seeing GC games that look better than PS2 games. And your 8000+ backcatalog points.... you've apparently forgot about the Wii's backcatalog of NES, SNES, N64, GC, Genesis, and TurboGrafx-16 games. I'm betting on them announcing even more before or shortly after release. Also, does anyone really expect the PS3 to be completely, flawlessly backward compatible?

Really, I'm just sick of hearing about any of this. And of people giving Zonk and the other editors crap about being biased. THEY'RE EDITORS. THAT'S WHAT EDITORS DO. Have you ever read a newspaper? Most of them have some sort of bias in the articles. Why do you expect it to be any different here?

Re:Sony, PS3, and BluRay (1)

alienw (585907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518287)

I'm waiting to see who will have the crappier graphics. The PS2 was powerful in theory, but in practice most games looked much worse than on the Xbox. The PS3 is very likely to continue this trend, with its multiple processors and poor development tools.

Re:Sony, PS3, and BluRay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518331)

So I only have to pay $499 to do... stuff I don't care about + stuff I can already do. Oh boy, where can I preorder.

Re:Sony, PS3, and BluRay (5, Interesting)

FSWKU (551325) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518350)

For $499 you get a PS3 from Sony that:

*Plays 1080p HD BluRay movies over component cables... Until they implement HDCP...
*Plays 1080p games (which has been possible on PC for years)
*All the same exclusive games that 103+ million people bought Playstation 2s for (so why not just play them on that)
*Complate backwards compatibility with 8000+ Playstation games (when it decideds to work properly)
*Complete backwards compatibility with 8000+ Playstation 2 games (see above)
*Free online play for all non-MMORPG games. Nothing new here
*Linux. To what end? I'm sure it will be just as huge a success as Linux on PS2 was.......
*Webbrowsing in 1080p on your HD TV monitor and other desktop apps that you run in 1600x1200+ (higher than 1080p) on your PC
*Tilt controller that they copied from Nintendo

Compared to the 200-250 Wii which looks to be fun at parties and can produce graphics that are more than adequate, all the while maintaining an aura of FUN vs just being eye-candy.

Or the XBox 360 which will end up costing you over 700 bucks for the non-worthless version over four to five years, vs a system that will cost you well over $2000 up front to use it to its full potential ($600 for a non-crippled PS3, $200 for a few games, $1200+ on the low end for a TV that supports HDMI so you don't lose 1080p playback when HDCP is implemented). And that doesn't include a keyboard or mouse to actually USE the "other desktop apps" properly. Or the overpriced accessories.

Not the only manufacturer of Blu-Ray players (4, Insightful)

Cy Sperling (960158) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518030)

Though Sony's stand-alone is being delayed until August, Samsung has a standalone Blu-Ray player coming out on June 25th.

Panasonic has one coming in September. Sony's lateness is not the sole barometer for the standard's success or failure.

Re:Not the only manufacturer of Blu-Ray players (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518158)

Good thing Sony is using the Samsung technology in their PS3s.

3rd Party Hardware? (1)

scrabbleguy (980944) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518037)

Any news on how the PS3 is affecting 3rd party hardware manufacturers for Blu-ray? I can't imagine they'd appreciate the PS3 undercutting them by $400. However, it does raise the question of what features they will be implementing to make their hardware worth that extra money. For my dollar, they better be implementing something absolutely incredible.

Re:3rd Party Hardware? (1)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518069)

I doubt those manufacturers will offer you much more bang for your buck (especially not 400 of your bucks). Sony is eating a lot of the cost of making the PS3 -- it costs more than 600 to make (factoring in R&D and such). Why are they selling it at a loss?... to get you to buy the games for it. They make a decent chunk of change for each game sold -- if you buy enough games, they make their money back and then some. Movie player manufacturers only get profit from selling you their player -- they don't own the licensing to Blu-Ray (or if they do, it's a shared license) so they can't say "Hey, you have to give us 25% of each game sold". Still... damn those cost of lot of money (both PS3 and BR players).

How is that bad for the PS3? (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518046)

So how is the delay of a Blu-Ray player bad for the PS3? It seems to me that the only effect would be to actually help the pS3 by having external Blu-Ray players still very expensive when they launch the PS3.

Now if Blu-Ray drives themselves cause the PS3 delivery date to be pushed back, that would actually be a problem. When we see that news the headlined may apply. Until then, this is just more sensationalist FUD about Sony who has become Zonk's favorite whipping boy.

Re:How is that bad for the PS3? (4, Insightful)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518119)

I think the argument is that, if this player is going to be $1000 at launch, and it's launch date is pushed out even closer to the PS3 launch, early adopters might just forgo the stand alone player and buy a PS3 instead. This pushes new sales of BR players out, further delaying the establishment of the format, while damaging Sony's bottom line, since, unlike the standalone player, the PS3 is almost certainly going to be a loss-leader. Further, this will stick Sony with lame-duck product, which I can't imagine is a good thing.

Re:How is that bad for the PS3? (2, Informative)

Buran (150348) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518177)

Further, this will stick Sony with lame-duck product, which I can't imagine is a good thing.

On the contrary.

This is the company that thought it was acceptable to install rootkits on peoples' computers, as if the computers belonged to them, all in the name of preventing imagined losses that are their own faults for bad treatment of customers and for selling inferior products.

The faster they die the happier we should be.

Re:How is that bad for the PS3? (1)

alienw (585907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518313)

Well, it isn't like the standalone Blu-ray player will somehow damage Sony. They probably share most expensive components with the PS3, anyway. Not to mention, it doesn't matter whether you have a million standalone players or a million PS3s for market share / installed base purposes.

Re:How is that bad for the PS3? (1)

Mongoose (8480) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518537)

What is Zonk going to do when PS3 is released and is a sucess? I think the real story is why everyone out to point to anything they can find to "prove" the PS3 is a failure. I hear a lot of things that aren't true repeated over and over. It's people like Zonk that enable various rumors that have been proven untrue to persist. What does Zonk get out of it? Is it some kind of false nationalism? The PS3 is a Japanese console. The PS2 continues to be a sucess, and outsells all other consoles each month even in the US. After Zonk started trolling blogs, and reporting them as facts recently I have a very poor opinion of him. He can't even bother to post an update or retraction. How about some facts?

PS3 owners won't pay for online services, says Kutaragi
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid= 17618 [gamesindustry.biz]

Blu-ray regions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Region_c odes [wikipedia.org]

Top developers slam PS3 "broken" allegations
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid= 17547 [gamesindustry.biz]

Personally, I can't wait for PS3. I like to import games and movies from Japan, and with a PS3 I don't have to modchip anything. I can play all the games and movies, and not worry about if they'll play or not. Also I don't have to pay a monthy fee for matching, etc -- just like my PC. How many people pay Xbox Live fees just for matching and other services besides marketplace? You never hear anyone saying Xbox Live is outrageously expensive. Do the math. The PS3 is cheaper than an Xbox 360 with an HD-DVD addon (using the estimated pricing from Microsoft) and Live. It's not the price then... Zonk why do you hate PS3? You'll do anything for page hits, or do you have another agenda?

Re:How is that bad for the PS3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518607)

"What is Zonk going to do when PS3 is released and is a sucess?"

That is the million dollar question. Although in Zonk's case it is probably nothing more than Microsoft marketing money being handed out and no real emotional investment in the outcome.

But for the couple million diehard Dreamcast and Xbox fans that are in full scale panic mode right now across the Net...

PC gaming is dying outside of MMORPGs.
They spent the last decade badmouthing Nintendo about 'kiddie' consoles and games.
They got humiliated by Sony with the Dreamcast.
They latched onto Microsoft in a enemy of my enemy way with the Xbox.
And now they are seeing Microsoft/360/HD-DVD all dying in the market without any competition.

What the fuck is that group of people going to do when Microsoft pulls the plug on the 360 and everyone with a 1000 dollar 1080p set is buying 499 BluRay/PS3s?

Mass suicides? Give up gaming?

logical decision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518047)

It seems logical to me: HD DVD released so silent that in europe no 'normal' (= not online > 5 hrs a day) people heared of it. I don't even know if it is on the market here.

Also there are very few titles availabe for HD DVD. Maybe they do this on purpose because people cannot see yet that there are a lot of other 'big releases' missing, not all studios signed up for hd dvd.

I think that sony is waiting to have more titles available, so they can make a big release.
Does the Playstation 3 record BD's?
No, so stop comparing it to 1000 dollar players, you noobs :)

Re:logical decision (2, Interesting)

WebCowboy (196209) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518244)

Also there are very few titles availabe for HD DVD. Maybe they do this on purpose because people cannot see yet that there are a lot of other 'big releases' missing, not all studios signed up for hd dvd.

"A few" is more than ZERO releases of BD movies, which I guess doesn't matter since there are ZERO BD players available to consumers for another couple of weeks anyways. Even with all the studios signed up for BD the loss of "first-mover" advantage presents a great challenge, and despite the number of studios jumping on the BD wagon, they didn't EXCLUSIVELY jump on that wagon so it means little to nothing.

I think that sony is waiting to have more titles available, so they can make a big release.

And what will motivate those releases, when the captain of the team is late for the game? Perhaps there will be double the releases when the player finally comes out than there was for HD-DVD but two dozen vs. one dozen is still pathetic...and the longer it takes for BD players to filter into the market, the larger the library of HD-DVD releases gets, and once the reace really begins they'll be about equal.

Does the Playstation 3 record BD's? No, so stop comparing it to 1000 dollar players, you noobs

My understanding was that the $1000 standalone unit won't record either (that will cost even more), and I think that early-adopters would be more inclined to use a PVR to record so it would not be a killer feature. Furthermore, Sony could have a bit of a problem with the PS3, not only because it would undercut most of the 1st-gen standalone BD players, but also becasue Sony will lose money on the PS3--it is cheaper not because it costs less to make, but rather becasue Sony has amputated the profit margin because its computer entertainment division (like Microsoft's) sells consoles as a loss leader and tries to make money on the content.

Unfortunately this has the hallmarks of becoming "Beta: The Sequel"--a technically superior technology being out-priced and out-marketed by the more "primitive" yet still adequate and practical competition.

Re:logical decision (1)

toolie (22684) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518590)

I don't even know if it is on the market here.

I've seen two Toshiba HD-DVD players on the market here (in the US if that is what you mean by 'here'). One is for $499 and the other for $799.

High price and delays part of strategy? (1)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518057)

"If they wait too long, the PS3 will begin looming on the horizon, causing even devout early adopters to question the intelligence of buying a stand-alone Blu-Ray unit."

Couldn't that be Sony's strategy? They know all the bad press the PS3 has been getting so all they have to do is make it more attractive as a Blu-Ray player than the stand-alones. This kills 2 birds with 1 stone; it get's people buying the PS3 for games and for the Blu-ray capabilities. Either way, they win.

Re:High price and delays part of strategy? (1)

eln (21727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518139)

Maybe, but then you have two of your own products essentially competing with each other, which is not generally a good strategy. If that happens, you'll end up with some people refusing to buy the first-gen standalone players because they'd rather get more bang for the buck by buying the PS3 (although admittedly "bang for the buck" is not usually a concept that most early adopters of technology employ), and some people refusing to buy the PS3 in favor of the standalone because they are hardcore videophiles that want a Bluray player, not a silly game machine.

Either way, you have two products that are poaching customers from each other, and you've now spent millions of dollars to develop two products that are both aimed squarely at the same market. I don't see this as a good strategy.

Re:High price and delays part of strategy? (1)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518170)

I know it's not a good strategy but this is Sony. They've made some very poor decisions lately about their products.

Re:High price and delays part of strategy? (1)

alienw (585907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518343)

How are they aimed at the same market? That's like saying the PS2 poached sales of DVD players. By the time the consoles finally come out and the supply chain issues get sorted out, standalone Blu-ray players will be $200 max, probably closer to $100. There is no reason they should cost 20x what a DVD player costs; it's the same basic technology and won't cost much more to make.

Re:High price and delays part of strategy? (1)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518410)

Potentially - but it's walking a tightrope; I doubt they want to piss off other companies licensing their technology, which is exactly what such a move would do.

Sony is EVIL (2, Insightful)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518060)

Sony is EVIL, because of it's terminally stupid moronic croporate culture.

What comes around, well, comes around.

Re:Sony is EVIL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518104)

> Sony is EVIL
No. Its nothing but an idiot.

Marketing? (5, Interesting)

emmetropia (527623) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518074)

Is it just me, or could this be a plausible marketing ploy? Sony wants the biggest install base of the PS3 as possible to make some money, and have better market penetration than the 360 or Wii. What if they're releasing a high priced player closer to the window of the launch of the PS3 on purpose? If you had your choice between a box that did Blu Ray for $1000, or a box that did Blu Ray + lots of other stuff, for $600, a lot of non-elitist consumers are going to go with the cheaper bargain. It's entirely possible that sony is releasing an over priced blu ray player now (btw, $1000? I can get a HD-DVD drive for under $200!), to increase adoption of the ps3 by the "I love HD, but my pocket book hates it" crowd.

Re:Marketing? (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518137)

I was wondering this myself - if nothing else, it would be good for the "look at the PS3 sales, bitches!" that Sony could unleash, and then "offer" other extras to the non-gaming Blue Ray folks (like movie trailer downloads and such)they wouldn't get from a "normal" Blue-Ray DVD player.

Hm - looks like my plans to sell a PS3 on eBay this Christmas are going to be very profitable indeed....

Re:Marketing? (1)

op12 (830015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518199)

Plus, once you already own the PS3, look at how sweet Game XYZ or accessory ABC is! They could pick up on a lot of sales once they get PS3s into homes that wouldn't otherwise have had one.

Blue ray HDCP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518086)

Remember that these drives require HDCP compliant monitors and grafik cards to watch anything in HD if Sony decides to implement HDCP on their DVDs, which will happen sooner than later. Not sure if there are more than a few out there. All the early adaptors with their expensive HDTVs will get screwed. Really, there is no need for these, double sided DVDs are large enough for feature length movies.

Whatever, Zonk (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518094)

Of course, as even the linked article admits, Samsung's blu-ray player [bestbuy.com] is still due out at the end of this month, at the same time the first round of blu-ray discs are.

Since unlike UMDs and other failed "Sony" formats of the past, Blu-Ray is not propreitary, it doesn't matter when Sony gets their player out. The Blu-Ray does not succeed or fall based on Sony alone; Sony delaying their personal player for six months makes no difference. While surely having two blu-ray players out at format launch would have been better than one from a consumer perspective, Sony's delay means effectively nothing except that early adopters interested in blu-ray will be buying a Samsung instead.

But hey, Zonk's never let little things like facts get in the way of his constant proclamations of doom and death for Sony and everything connected to them. So whatever. Rootkit rootkit rootkit $599 lol.

Proprietary? (1)

fujiman (912957) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518237)

None of Sony's failed media experiments were proprietary. As an OEM, you could always adopt it if you were willing to pay Sony a licensing fee. There is nothing wrong with this, except Sony is willing to sacrifice their console dominance on a bet that they will make more money licensing Blu-Ray. That's some high-stakes gambling. Let's see how it pays out.

Re:Whatever, Zonk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518340)

It's sad but true. You can bet your life on it whenever you see a headline with the words Sony/PS3 on Slashdot you are gonna read a story posted by Zonk with quit a negative spin on it, sometimes even plain wrong or totally out of its context. And the saddest part is that he knows it.

I don't even like Sony that much but hey enough is enough. When I want to read biased and fabricated news I will read FOX News, thank you very much. I think I will shell 600$ just for the fact that I can piss Zonk off... .

Slashdot is totally loosing it's credibility as a new source. BTW It's not only with Sony we see this kind of bullshit.

When will Sony learn (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518105)

That the key to dominating is "excellence in conformity?" The key to beating your competition is to build up a standard, then trash your competition at implementing it. Who wants to be limited to all Sony? No one who wants to do something as "lame" as borrowing a next gen DVD from a friend.

Only slightly infammatory (1)

Jestrzcap (46989) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518111)

I am sick of Sony trying to control the format of . They keep trying to use their sheer bulk to force us to use their latest tech (see their music player history for an example). I know Sony is capable of producing a quality product that I would love to use, but they just keep shooting themselves in the foot (UMD anyone?). Now they want to try to shove a heavily DRM'd format down our throats and make us like it (and they dont even seem to be able to put out a proper product). I wish consumers would wake up and grow some self control (I have to admit to being the first in line occasionally). If you stop buying products that contain objectionable components (whatever your hot button issue is DRM, porn, violence) then the companies will stop making it. Consumers need to stop "compromising" with companies. Give us a product that we want 100%.

"A luxury once experienced becomes a necessity".

Re:Only slightly infammatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518205)

I want a console that has the awesomest top end graphics hardware around, for only 200 dollars, and games I can download for free and burn off the internet. Why won't the damned companies just give the consumer what we want? WHY!?!?!

Let's get it over with (2, Informative)

grouchyDude (322842) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518191)

Sony has a hitsory of making up non-standard proprietary formats. These
include the (a) memory stick, (b) the customized (non-standard) firewire port,
(c) the universal
operating system of the AIBO, (d) the minidisc and, of course, (e) betamax. No doubt, there are other I can't think of or don't know about.

In almost every case, they are either failures or (worse) sources of ongoing frustration.
I thought Blu-ray had promise, but not I realize it is another one of these monstrosities. Maybe it had better just die as quickly as possible to spare us being burdeneed with it for ages.

(like the memory stick -- an extra format we never needed).

Do people really want a new format? (4, Insightful)

Nutmegan (971365) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518230)

I think Sony's biggest problem with getting widespread adoption of Blu-Ray is that the vast majority of users are happy with the current DVD format. The improvement from VHS to DVD was obvious. Replacing your DVD collection with an expensive Blu-Ray collection that may never catch on with most people seems ludicrous. People might find Blu-Ray equipment in the closet with their Betamax VCRs and their old minidisc players.

Re:Do people really want a new format? (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518379)

You realize that one major difference nullifies your argument. BluRay drives will play DVDs, so you don't have to replace your entire movie collection as you may have in the VHS->DVD conversion.

Is schadenfreude OK? (4, Insightful)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518252)

I was offended by Sony's horrible DRM/rootkit situation, not because they tried to install rootkits (although that was bad enough) but because of their response when caught: "So what? Consumers won't even comprehend your techno-babble complaints."

I was offended by Sony's horrible pricing for the PS3, not because the pricing was so high (although that was bad enough) but because of their response when people took issue: "So what? Sony fanboys are going to pay no matter what the price."

I was offended by Sony's blatant plagarism of the Wii controller, not because of the 2nd-rate implementation (although... you get the idea), but because of their flat-out lying about it: "We didn't copy Nintendo. We're the real innovators."

All of these situations have a common thread: arrogance. A cavalier disrespect for the customer. A lack of ethics. There are no laws that say companies must be ethical, or must respect the customer. So I guess we can write off Sony's behavior as "it's just business." But there are also no laws which say I have to buy into it. So I hope that what goes around, comes around.

-Tony

Re:Is schadenfreude OK? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518293)

So...basically you're just a dumb person who reads nothing but bogus/misleading/silly headlines from fanboy sites.

And you think Sony or anyone else gives a fuck what you think or plan on buying?

Re:Is schadenfreude OK? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518378)

What was that you said? It's hard to make out what you're saying while you have Sony's dick in your mouth.

Re:Is schadenfreude OK? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518573)

The sheer nerve it took to make that comment about the controller is what bothered me the most. The Wiimote calculates the controller's position in 3-d space, while the PS3's controller tells you whether you're tilting it in a certain direction, something that, as Miyamoto said, Nintendo already did on the Game Boy.

I like Sony's products; I really do. But they're in way over their heads this time, and I really think they need to back off for a while and think about the consumer.

Mid-2007 maybe??? (1)

Moe Napoli (826364) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518267)

I think anyone thinking that Sony will launch the already ill-fated PS3 this year is smoking the same stuff as Sony.

Blu-ray - nobody cares. (1)

PaulRivers (647856) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518276)

How long is it going to take people who write articles to get it?

What's happening with the new dvd format? I don't care. Almost no one who buys a PS3 cares about the blu-ray thing. Really. All we want to know about is the game system.

I'm not sure if they publish these articles to try to create hype about the blu-ray format and associate it with the "cool" Playstation, or if they get published because Sony genuinely believes that anyone cares.

Re:Blu-ray - nobody cares. (1)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518398)

All [you] want to know about is the game system.

I went ahead and corrected your sentence for you. Believe it or not, there are actually people in the world who have different interests than you.

I care precisely squat about the PS3 as a console. I am interested in the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray battle, and how the PS3 might sway the war one way or the other.

Where can I game? (2, Interesting)

kuyaedz (921036) | more than 8 years ago | (#15518407)

This is causing me to lose even more respect for Sony (rootkit anyone). I was a loyal PS2 user but if its not one things its another and Sony is really going downhill in my book. Continued delays. Backing losing mediums (I'd rather go with HD-DVD). etc, etc. If I can no longer support Sony and god forbid I buy an Xbox where can I console-game? I guess I should just dig out the old-school Nintendo. I can't use Xbox or Sony anymore on principle.

Inlcuded DVD with first players (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15518630)

They should include the making of Duke Nukem Forever with the Blu-Ray DVD players as both will be out around the same time.
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