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The Pornographers vs. The Pirates

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the there-are-worse-leads-to-follow dept.

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conq writes "BusinessWeek has a piece on how pornography is again leading the way and showing Holywood how to fight back against piracy. From the article: 'Some producers of porn are starting to share revenues from online movies with the distributors of their DVDs, who might otherwise feel endangered by digital distribution online. Bolder yet, one large studio is allowing fans who buy movies online to burn them from their computers onto DVDs, with some protections included, of course.'"

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275 comments

So this is how it turns out (5, Funny)

Svippy (876087) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522875)

And you thought it was just pirates vs. ninjas?

The naked truth... (3, Insightful)

jkrise (535370) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522880)

People who love porn would not mind DRM or any other restrictive technology - most porn lovers don't wish to have their names advertised, and a bit of money is not an issue.

Not so with what the RIAA calls Pirates.

Re:The naked truth... (2, Insightful)

BrynM (217883) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522973)

People who love porn would not mind DRM or any other restrictive technology

I wouldn't go that far. Remember that there are quite a few porn sites that will happily embed a trojan (the malware not the condoms) into their website. The machines that I've cleaned for friends who like porn are some of the biggest messes I've seen. They all now know that if they want me to clean out their machine, I'll wipe the drives first thing unless they take precautions (anti-virus, firewall, rent their porn rather than download it).

(oh, the inuendo for this article)

Re:The naked truth... (2, Insightful)

Trigun (685027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523110)

I've noticed that the more blatant you are about porn, the less likely you are to run into trouble. I know of one manager who loves porn, and is so blatant about it that he doesn't worry about going to the big names (playboy, penthouse, hustler, etc.). The other ones at that office are always so worried about it that they end up going to the out of the way corners of the Internet, and get infected.

Re:The naked truth... (1)

scrabbleguy (980944) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523101)

Doesn't everybody love porn?

In the porn CEO's mouth (1, Funny)

LoonyMike (917095) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522881)

"I'm gonna fucking kill these pirates!"

Come on, you were expecting something else in his mouth, weren't ya?

Re:In the porn CEO's mouth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15522906)

Come on, you were expecting something else in his mouth, weren't ya?

No; despite the general taste of the Slashdot-collective, there are still people out there who like their porn hetero, as god intended it.

Now there is a porn video I'd watch... (5, Funny)

demongeek (977698) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522884)

The Pornographers versus The Pirates!

Pirate: Arr! Bend over me matey while I prepare the long guns to pilage that booty!
Porn Star: Oh! Don't pilage MY booty, at least not until my sorority girlfriends come over to help me repel borders! Oh!

Re:Now there is a porn video I'd watch... (1, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522967)

How is it that taking ass-to-mouths and getting bukkake facials qualifies these people as "Stars"?

The kid that cleans up at the stables isn't called the "Barn Star".

LK

Re:Now there is a porn video I'd watch... (1)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522996)

The kid that cleans up at the stables isn't called the "Barn Star".

Tell him to get a camera and sell thousands of copies of the movie and he'll be whatever star he wants to be.

Re:Now there is a porn video I'd watch... (1)

montyzooooma (853414) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523141)

I think this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477457/ [imdb.com] (not safe for work, maybe) is what you're looking for. Some day I will figure out this HTML malarkey.

Re:Now there is a porn video I'd watch... (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523322)

plastic tits and quite boring but the hd-wmv version is cool and shows what future is possible (imagine zooming in to interesting parts)

It isn't needed. (5, Insightful)

Lave (958216) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522889)

I doubt there is anything with a higher pirated/legit ratio than porn.

I know no-one who has bought porn - but everyone has watched it.

Why hasn't porn gone bust like the movie and music industries say will happen to them?

If a legitimate market can keep porn afloat an inherently embarrassing purchase - then everything else doesn't need to worry

Re:It isn't needed. (2, Insightful)

vinsanity1 (978226) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522910)

> I know no-one who has bought porn yeah, but i know no-one who has masturbated. "there are those who do, and there's those who lie about it".

Re:It isn't needed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15523246)

No, youre wrong, I am not lying when i say there is enough 'free' and 'googled' porn to pretty much satisfy anybody. If free-porn disappeared completely i still wouldn't purchase it.

There are those who tell the truth, and there are those who are too messed up to believe people.

and im 24, its probably much easier for me to get laid than Vinsanity here.

Re:It isn't needed. (5, Insightful)

LoonyMike (917095) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522922)

SPAM also has a low clicks/emails rate (I think), but the few clicks are enough to make it profitable.
Low-budget porn movies might also need a relatively small number of sales to make money, even if they are massively pirated.

Re:It isn't needed. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15522923)

dud u r fuckin FAGGET!

Will they really tell you? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15522942)

Do you think your father will openly tell you that just last week he purchased a subscription to this fantastic bondage porno site? Do you think your boss will tell you that ten minutes ago, between meetings with clients, he spent $19.95 for the "Girls Gone Crazy: Kansas City!" and "Eugenia's Booby Paradise" video combo he saw advertised on TV last night? Do you think that the Republican senator who just rallied against sexuality in video games, and who also just bought some photos of girls fellating horses, will let you know? Probably not.

Then again, you likely don't understand the true size of the market. Even if they have a 99% piracy rate, that 1% of sales is so much that they're all very well off.

Re:Will they really tell you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15523087)

"Eugenia's Booby Paradise"...

Shudder.... [osnews.com]

Re:It isn't needed. (1)

new_breed (569862) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522943)

You could also argue that the fact it's an "inherently embarrassing purchase" what makes it so succesful on the internet ;)

Re:It isn't needed. (5, Interesting)

Jakob777 (322558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522948)

I happen to run "Adult Book Stores" (porn shacks) and I have seen only a increase in sales due to the Internet, they bait them with a 10 second clip maybe the get a membership to the site then they are in my store buying up all of that actress that makes there mind go wild and POW I have cash in hand. The same works for the most part with me and my friends, we get the cams of new movies or the new album, and we are out buying it or sitting in a cola covered seat with that crying baby to go see the real thing.

I think this will make all the profit margins for the adult industry go up, and the RIAA should look into not being such raging pricks but nice calm porn CEO's :)

Re:It isn't needed. (-1, Offtopic)

Zen Punk (785385) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523130)

You're full of shit.

Re:It isn't needed. (1)

Jakob777 (322558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523181)

On what part? That I run adult book stores? No been doing it for over 6 years now, that the internet boosts my sales?? Not really my sales figures are still climbing and according to the spread sheets I get each month its on the DVD sales area. So good sir where do I lie, or to quote you, where and I "Full of shit"?

Re:It isn't needed. (2, Insightful)

just_forget_it (947275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522961)

I'm surprised no one has brought this us even. The Porn industry is one of the richest in this country, and they are also the most heavily pirated. Kind of destroys the "Piracy hurts record sales" argument.

Re:It isn't needed. (5, Insightful)

Eivind (15695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522972)

You mean you know noone who will admit to having bougth porn.... Not the same thing.

Besides, porn movies are embarassingly low-budget. What counts as a "high budget" porn-movie doesn't even show up on the radar for budgeting normal movies. And some of the low-budget porn-movies have budgets down in the 4-digits range.

You don't need to sell an awful lot to make a profit if your total budget is less than a years salary.

Re:It isn't needed. (1)

KingOfGod (884633) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522995)

Yeah, uhm. ok.

I have a stash of 32 gigabytes of porn. But I have never bought porn.

Why the fuck would I admit to having porn if I'm "embarrased" of having bought it?

Re:It isn't needed. (1)

Jakob777 (322558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523033)

I believe that the average person that buys porn these days isn't ashamed at all of what hes doing, the only time they even dubble think themselves is pulling into the parking lot of a store. Once that is over come they walk in and spend their money, that is why when the bars close there is a great increase in sales at all of my stores.

So in other words all the Internet is doing for the industry as a whole is over coming the social stigma of the city they live in.

Re:It isn't needed. (1)

Eivind (15695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523107)

Ain't saying everyone is like that. I'm saying that porn is one area where the actual sales, and the sales you'd guess if you surveyed 1000 people on the street and multiplied by the population would be very different. (actual sales would be much higher than your survey would lead you to believe, because many people will say they don't buy porn, when infact they do, or they'll underreport their buying)

This is pretty much so for everything people perceive as negative.

Re:It isn't needed. (4, Insightful)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523062)

I'll quite happly wath the low budget films from the 70s so why are modern movie budgets so high? Maybe the movie industry should sort out their cost problems first if the're having problems making a profit.

Re:It isn't needed. (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523128)

Not only that but look at all the free sites offering porn (sublimedirectory, elephantlist, thehun, etc, etc, etc). Porno sites want you to see their stuff and then get you more and more interested to buy. I *have* bought porn, looked at plenty of free porn, and even use empornium to get more porn.

Looks like that tactic worked for me.

Re:It isn't needed. (1)

kesuki (321456) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523200)

Don't forget that amature porn is often done entirely at the expense of the porn stars themselves, with no cost in overhead. so while there are a lot of 'free' porn sites, and few people will admit to 'having bought porn' I know quite a few people who won't admit to it who have bought porn. and even more who've rented it.

As for major films that were done 'on a budget' clerks and the blair witch project come to mind. They show the low budget nature, but they're still good movie storylines. which is why unlike the thousands of movies you've never heard of they actually made nationwide releases.

of course we have independant film festivals and all that to help these kinda gems and the creative talent behind them to make it to hollywood.

Re:It isn't needed. (1)

ronanbear (924575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522975)

I don't know. Most people I know would be much more comfortable lending/burning a DVD, CD game etc. than sharing the intimate details of their porn collection.

Sure its an embarrassing purchase but the industry has been able to keep it an essentially private matter. It'd be more embarrassing to get caught sharing porn than normal DVDs.

Re:It isn't needed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15522981)

Why hasn't porn gone bust like the movie and music industries say will happen to them?
Because the 'artists' are even more exploited in the porn world than in movies or music? You don't need a lot of money to stay afloat in the porn world.

Re:It isn't needed. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523050)

Probably because porn stars don't rake in billions for crappy performance.

Also, porn movies rarely need a good script. Then again, so do Hollywood movies.

Maybe it is because they don't have to advertize and hype their movies like the "normal" movies. I mean, hey, with porn, you pretty much know what to expect. It doesn't need to be hyped simply because, well, people actually WANT to see it already.

Re:It isn't needed. (2, Insightful)

SlashDread (38969) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523055)

"Why hasn't porn gone bust"

Because people who buy porn dont tell you. But the amount of money spend on online porn is huge. Its a matter of ease of use, and the instant "gratification" (scuse the pun), and online downloads/streams WILL sell.
Regular content industrie is just, uhm, backwards really.

Re:It isn't needed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15523119)

AIUI, the porn industry is dependent on a smallish portion of their customers who are, for all intents and purposes, addicted to it.

Re:It isn't needed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15523245)

The answer is simple, the porn industry runs off of seamen

Delivery by download not new (3, Interesting)

dk-software-engineer (980441) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522891)

Downloading a paid product is not a new thing. It has worked for software in years. I don't see why it shouldn't work for other kinds of data like movieclips and images.

Of course it's easier to share it with a few thousand closest friends on Internet when you don't have to rip it first. But is it really the ripping part that is hard? Isn't that the easiest part? Why is that so bold, as the summary says?

Re:Delivery by download not new (2, Interesting)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523028)

Of course paid downloading isn't new and I wouldn't exactly say porn is leading the way (though I would agree porn had done a lot for the internet as well as VHS). I've been using iTunes for some time now, and I've never owned an iPod. It's such a convienance, with one gripe, only 30 secs of a song can be previewed. Anyways, I just spent $5 on iTunes a weekago. I had 5 singles I enjoyed listening too and I downloaded them, burned them to a CD, ripped them back into MP3, put them on my PSP to work out with (yeah, I use it more of a MP3 player than a video or game player. Saddly, that beautiful screen isn't used much, much to my dismay.)

That same purchase would have costed me between $60-$100 to buy the 5 CD's that each had one of those songs on them. Of course, I would have gotten much more music, but it wasn't the music I was willing to buy. It would be like going to a fast-food restaurant and being forced to only get the combo meal when all you wanted was a small fry.

I use to work at Wal-Mart and that is when I realized that I no longer wanted to buy CD's. Wal-Mart, the self proclaimed "low price leader", bought their CD's for like $3 and turned around and sold them for $15-20. I wasn't about to participate in that kind of money hording. I'll just keep listening to the radio and downloading the song I want.

Protections? (4, Funny)

shellbeach (610559) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522901)

with some protections included, of course

Well, it's good to see the pr0n industry finally taking safe sex seriously ...

Coz They Cant Lobby (5, Insightful)

ikejam (821818) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522917)

I think it has more to do with the fact that since no politican can afford to be seen lobbied by a porn cartel, they have to come up with fairer solutions...

Re:Coz They Cant Lobby (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15522926)

lobbied by a porn cartel

I've still got a copy of that if you want to borrow it,

Re:Coz They Cant Lobby (2, Interesting)

dsgitl (922908) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523049)

Quite a few politicians -- on both sides -- receive money from whomever it is that owns SpectraVision and other hotel services. While Congressmen might not get contributions directly from porn, they do receive monies, ha ha, on the back end.

If you're looking for a source, I can offer you the Al Franken show. That's where I heard this information. He was ralling against John McCain for taking contributions from the porn, but that seemed to be a bit of a, ha ha gain, stretch.

Re:Coz They Cant Lobby (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15523100)

Comcast, TimeWarner, and AT&T (when they owned all those cable companies and now as a large internet provider) all make good money off porn, and do plenty of lobbying.

The REAL scary truth for hollywood... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15522930)

...is that porn movies are better acted, the dialog is more natural and they feature less contrived and often more thought provoking plots than most over-hyped 'blockbusters'. That and more titty ;-)

Re:The REAL scary truth for hollywood... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15523052)

Really? I haven't seen such movies.

Please give examples. And a link to the torrent.

Re:The REAL scary truth for hollywood... (4, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523061)

NOW I know why porn is so frowned upon by politicians and bible fanatics alike.

It's thought provoking. Yeah, that's it!

Re:The REAL scary truth for hollywood... (1)

Aceticon (140883) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523163)

No wonder guys are often accused of thinking with the wrong head ... it's all 'cause of porn

Pornstars Of The Carribean (1)

colonslashslash (762464) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522934)

Coming to a XXX shop near you. :)

first post (-1, Offtopic)

rudolfel (700883) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522946)

i guess ;)

The real technique they're using... (1)

terrahertz (911030) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522947)

...is called "Making so much money it don't mean a damn thing if piracy happens."

Seriously, free porn has been electronically available since the 80s for anyone with a minute amount of knowledge and dedication. Who are the authors fooling?

Re:The real technique they're using... (5, Interesting)

jamesh (87723) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522979)

Free porn has been available since the invention of alcohol and anyone with enough nerve to nod suggestively at a lady. That is, free-as-in-"give her a"-beer :)

(I've been waiting a long time for the appropriate place to use that line!)

Re:The real technique they're using... (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523327)

Seriously, free porn has been electronically available since the 80s for anyone with a minute amount of knowledge and dedication. Who are the authors fooling?

Staring at ANSI BBS p0rn in the basement listening to Flock of Seagulls doesn't hold a candle to the high definition p0rn of today. Whos fooling who? :)

Holywood? (2, Funny)

obli (650741) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522949)

"Holywood" - is that some sort of nasty pun aiming at a profitable male porn star or just a typo?

Re:Holywood? (1)

odourpreventer (898853) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523065)

Well, someone spoke about inuendo. "The Holy Wood" fits the theme.

Re:Holywood? (4, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523069)

Sounds like a Christian porn movie.

Re:Holywood? (0)

drspliff (652992) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523155)

Jesus H and the Pussyfiction starring 'Innocent Mary'.

Please, stop me from typing before I offend somebody!

Intentional purchases? (4, Funny)

telchine (719345) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522950)

Do people intentionally buy porn? I assumed the whole industry was funded by IE users accidentally installing premium rate dialers. I guess now that broadband is so popular the porographers need to find another revenue stream.

Isn't it Hollywood? (-1, Redundant)

Twiceblessedman (590621) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522957)

Summary has holywood instead of hollywood.

Bigger Business (5, Insightful)

pianoman113 (204449) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522959)

Pornography has always been a huge business, and they have always been on the bleeding edge of technology. Look at the internet. Long before their was the World Wide Web there were dial-in BBS's where people could download pornography. When VCRs came out, pornography was almost immediately available on video cassettes.
The pornography business' profit margin is much higher and that allows them much more freedom to innovate in their distribution. That, and they have no doubt that people will continue to consume their product.
I doubt they'll ever eliminate the pirates, but they will lead the way technologically for flexible video distribution.

Re:Bigger Business (4, Interesting)

PhiltheeG (688063) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523115)

Add to the above the fact that pornographic material is easily reusable and can be repackaged numerous ways at a low cost. Pornography also lends itself very well to the type of on-demand, pick-what-you-want Internet mentality. Theoretically a studio can sign a group of performers to a contract to shoot a set number of scenes, distribute those scenes in DVD format in full-length movies, repackage the scenes later as a "best-of performer" then redistrbute, slice and repackage the individual scenes the redistribute them by genre, etc. etc. It is still all the same stuff, simply packaged differently and offered in a way a consumer would like. Also, think of the possibilities for repackaging "classic" movies and redistributing of billions of hours of material.

World peace (4, Insightful)

Roy van Rijn (919696) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522963)

The biggest advances in internet technology are made because of porn, file-sharing, P2P, search engines, image formats (more porn per mb), movie encryption etc.

But there is one thing I don't believe, Porn isn't going to stop piracy, it created it! (One of the best things on the web!)
If porn proves to be the key in stopping piracy, then I truly think porn will create world peace...

And... why burn on DVD for personal use...???
Isn't porn something you only watch once, you know the whole story and get bored? Isn't that the whole reason we watch porn, because the same woman every night bores us!?

Re:World peace (1)

DikSeaCup (767041) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523006)

If porn proves to be the key in stopping piracy, then I truly think porn will create world peace...

Well, if more people were at home beating off to porn, there'd be fewer people fighting.

Much like a porn star, if you give me an opening like that ...

Re:World peace (4, Interesting)

frickendevil (977786) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523051)

You cant stop piracy, period. You can however slow it down, and the porn industry has taken the first step towards this. I believe you missed the point that porn dvds are being sold on the web and being delivered via digital means instead of buying a hard copy, this tactic has worked brilliantly with mp3 downloads, as long as they are reasonably priced, people will pay for the convenience. If the movie industry followed suit of the porn industry, they too will be able to "keep on top" of piracy (for lack of a better saying, pun intended)

As for burning it onto a DVD, there are thousands of reasons. Including:
1. Getting tips from a pro - If you watch a world cup soccer match, it doesnt make you a world cup soccer player. But it can give you ideas on how to better yourself, and if you watch it over and over, you understand how it works, then you can just go practice it.

2. Some full length porn features are really long, especially the ones without stories. So it could take you a while to get through it, having convenience on DVD.

3. Save space on your computer.

4. Easier to put a DVD into a dvd player then it is to drag a laptop or a monitor over towards your bed to watch it with your girl/boy/trannyfriend.

5. Label it family photos and the kids will never touch it.

6. Easier to share with friends.

7. A particular porn star might just tickle your fancy, so you watch it for them, instead of the movie itself.

8. Being able to give a physical size to your collection, giving you bragging rights "Mine is bigger then yours!"

9. If your computer breaks down, and you need to take it to a techie, they wont find your stash after you have already burnt and deleted it.

10. Same reason anyone buys any movies on DVD or VHS for that matter, after 5 years you forgotten the nitty gritty parts and you can rewatch and learn.

BTW just because you don't share your porn with a kinky significant other (if you have one that is) doesn't mean other people don't. I would prefer my porn in DVD format.

Re:World peace (1)

Roy van Rijn (919696) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523121)

OMG.. lol, that really made my day :)

Fuck off (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15523260)

You know, I see this argument again and AGAIN on /., that porn is the bleeding edge of technology but this is fantasy. There is no evidence to corroborate this except the memories of people obsessed with getting porn in new formats. Seriously, where are the data and studies that show pornography pioneers new communications technologies?

Porn capitalizes on the advent of new technologies, sure, but this is quite different than saying porn substantially (or singhandedly) advances it.

Re:World peace (0, Offtopic)

Talla (95956) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523263)

Isn't that the whole reason we watch porn, because the same woman every night bores us!?

You're on Slashdot, you insensitive clod. It's because no woman any night bores us.

ofcourse a Yugoslav mobster helps too (3, Informative)

Raindeer (104129) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522966)

Guy I know used to have a well known server with free illegit porn. This server got to be quite well known around the world. One of the reasons he stopped was that a Yugoslav guy with some Yugo-mob connections came to his door to politely request the removal of content that the Yugo considered to be his copyrighted works.

Now the RIAA and MPAA have done some nefarious things to convince people to stop sharing music and movies, but getting the mob involved.. I haven't heard that one yet. Even when they get Uncle Sam involved, there is a chance of due course.

No chance for support from Uncle Sam (2, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523078)

Uncle Sam would have to admit that he cared for porn, doubt that will happen soon.

Re:No chance for support from Uncle Sam (1)

Raindeer (104129) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523102)

they referred to RIAA and MPAA

Re:ofcourse a Yugoslav mobster helps too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15523106)

The **AAs aren't part of the mafia? It's so hard to tell these days...

What is this world coming to? (2, Funny)

EdMack (626543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522969)

`buy movies online to burn them from their computers onto DVDs, with some protections included, of course.'

I need to use protection for (ahem) solo-sex now? Oh god! What if it's too late?

Re:What is this world coming to? (1)

DikSeaCup (767041) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523011)

I need to use protection for (ahem) solo-sex now? Oh god! What if it's too late?

"In fact, I'm not jerking off any more! ... I don't know where I've been!"

George Carlin

Pornography wants to be free! (0)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15522999)

My C:\Porn directory is well over 90GB and I have never paid to d/l porno.

That's kind of the beauty of the whole thing. For each person who pays a site membership, there will be hundreds who get to leech. And who is going to go to court and say that they feel violated because someone ripped off a copy of a video of them actually being violated.

LK

Hollywood should copying (1, Interesting)

houghi (78078) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523045)

They should start copying what the porn movies are doing. First look at the stories. Pornmovies have better stories 9 times out of 10.
Next you hear all these Oscar winners that lovescenes are the most difficult to play. If that is the case, start giving Ron Jerremy a life-time achievement accadamy award.
Also note that in porn movies all nudity is functional.

I still think it is strange that you are not allowed to see two people having sex, yet it is normal to see people get killed in movies.

If people know that Kill Bill is not real, They might recognise that Deep Throaght is also just a movie.

Re:Hollywood should copying (1)

damienl451 (841528) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523323)

There is a major difference though : in a violent movie, the guy who gets killed does not get shot at FOR REAL and does not die FOR REAL. In a porn movie, they REALLY have sexual intercourse. What exactly is fake in porn movies ? A better question to ponder : if I were to hire a few girls to have sex with men and profited from it, I'd probably be charged with pandering. But if I became a porn-film director, I'd get rich and nobody could prosecute me.

The always underestimated porn... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15523046)

Without the porn industry we would use Betamax instead of the internet and have bad sex with computers, buy Blu-Ray players and our children would get pregnant by _not_ going to church.

You have to pay some respect to them for keping this world in the shape we like.

Damn, can you even imagine how much music would suck without the nvention of decent porn?

Me neither..

Re:The always underestimated porn... (1)

Jakob777 (322558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523088)

If you also look at the state of DVD that we have today. The only industry to really use the second camera angle function, it is rumored to be the porn industry that actually lobbied the original standard makers for the dvd players to add in this feature.

I Don't Get It (1, Redundant)

wickedj (652189) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523077)

"Bolder yet, one large studio is allowing fans who buy movies online to burn them from their computers onto DVDs, with some protections included, of course." Why would you need condoms with your porn???

I learned my lesson. (5, Informative)

Killshot (724273) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523083)

When I first got into the adult industry, I fought really hard to "protect" my copyrights. Any time I found my photos elsewhere on the internet I would have my lawyer send out threatening letters, I would try to sue people. I would get peoples websites shut down.. it cost a lot of time and money and mostly I just pissed people off.

Eventually I figured out that in most cases when people copied my photos and shared them.. it increased revenue because people would come to my site looking for more. I then restricted any lawsuits to people who would charge money to access content they stole from me.

I think the music and movie industry could learn the same lesson.

Re:I learned my lesson. (2, Interesting)

castlec (546341) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523168)

Where do you operate from? I've been kinda thinking about starting a side business here in the Czech Republic. The women are plentiful and inexpensive but I really don't know what the sales value of a set are. Care to comment? You can contact me through email if you like.

Re:I learned my lesson. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15523211)

Easiest way to find out would be to join one of the content trading groups and try to buy a few sets yourself.

Re:I learned my lesson. (5, Funny)

TwistedEvo (974889) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523285)

Simple question.

How many of you just couldn't resist clicking on the parent's home page?

What does it say about the human race (3, Insightful)

forgotten_my_nick (802929) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523091)

when all our advances in technology can be linked to porn or the military?

Re:What does it say about the human race (1)

Obi-w00t (943426) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523157)

What does it say about the human race when all our advances in technology can be linked to porn or the military?

That, despite what we may think, we are all, actually, apes with less hair. Not that that is a bad thing of course...

Re:What does it say about the human race (1)

Tolleman (606762) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523158)

That about 50% of us are men. All non technological advances are related to cleaning, nagging and drapes.

Re:What does it say about the human race (0, Offtopic)

Suicide Machine (902222) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523187)

That we are the result of evolution.

-jijin

Re:What does it say about the human race (1)

arakon (97351) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523206)

It says those are our favorite pass-times, fuckin and killin. My aren't we enlightened.

Re:What does it say about the human race (2, Funny)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523225)

Don't mess with us, or we'll Whip you and THEN Screw you! :)

Is it a fair fight? (0, Redundant)

SnuffySmith (780790) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523142)

What about pornographers versus ninjas?

Hypocrites (1)

Chabil Ha' (875116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523150)

It is interesting to me that pornographers like to peddle their wares, even when flying in the face of a morality question. A whole thread discussion could be started just talking about that, but this isn't my point.

My point is, that many would argue that is it immoral to steal. Many would consider pirating a movie, no matter its content, to be immoral. I just think it's interesting to point out that the pornographers want their cake and eat too, by combating piracy, since what they do is considered immoral also.

Re:Hypocrites (1)

tweek (18111) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523238)

There's a difference. Stealing a movie is a crime. Pure and simple. The morality aspect never comes into it.

Making adult movies and posing for photographs in the nude is NOT a crime.

Re:Hypocrites (1)

Chabil Ha' (875116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523291)

I never mentioned anything about the legality of pornography. We all know its legal to create/distribute/consume porn. I'm not debating that. Nor am I advocating a particular point concerning its legal status. Just because there isn't a law written for/against pornography does not make a significant bit of difference as to its morality or immorality. However, on its base level, it is a question of morality, an issue that both stealing and pornography share.

The Industry (0)

MerrickStar (981213) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523290)

This being one of the few articles you can encounter where no one comments with an inside point of view because they work in the industry.

protection (1)

boiledsoybeans (966673) | more than 8 years ago | (#15523312)

finally porn videos are starting to use protection ;)
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