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How Nintendo Could Win It All

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the roll-it-like-a-katamari dept.

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ElFozzie writes "In a huge piece on mobile gaming, Pocket Gamer reports on the latest battles in the handheld console market and reveals why Nintendo might just have the right strategy to win this war. From the article: 'Let's go back the beginning, the games. It's all about the games, Nintendo's faithful fans will argue, and the DS has great, mad and unique games where the PSP so far has, at best, competent-to-very-good PS2-lite fare. Yes, but it's not that simple. See, I was there in the mid '90s playing the genre-defining Mario 64 and the breathtaking Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time, perhaps the two greatest games of their generation, on the Nintendo 64. And I remember Sony going on to win that war, and PlayStation becoming the de facto shorthand for 'video games'."

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245 comments

Hehehe, Wii.. (0, Offtopic)

Hydryad (935968) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524219)

They named it Wii, like.. Wee wee... hehehe man I should be a comedian I am so original.

de facto shorthand for 'video games'. (1)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524256)

de facto shorthand for 'video games'.

  • First it was Nintendo
  • Then it was Playstation
  • Now it's going to be Wii?
If anything, the names are definitely getting better :-P

Re:de facto shorthand for 'video games'. (4, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524409)

Believe it or no, for a lot of people that nintendo is aiming (those in their 40s, 50s or 60s), what you are doing while sitting in front of the TV with that strange controller is "playing Nintendo". My father is one of them, I myself grew up with NES and SNES (although I had a 2600 that my father bought when I was like 5 or 6 Y old, I palyed a bit).

I think Nintendo is still the sinonimous of video game, even between non gamers, and that is because in the NES era, there was nothing else*, just the Nintendo, unlike the Playstation era where you had 3 or 4 different systems making a real competition.

* I know there were the Segas, NECs and even NEO-GEOs, but for your parents, you where always going to "play the Nintendo" to your rich friend house (who happened to have the Neo-Geo)

Re:de facto shorthand for 'video games'. (1)

tvon (169105) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524591)


Believe it or no, for a lot of people that nintendo is aiming (those in their 40s, 50s or 60s), what you are doing while sitting in front of the TV with that strange controller is "playing Nintendo".


Woah, how old do you think NES fans are? Try late 20's and early 30's. I'm 29, and while I had an Atari when I was very young, the Christmas after the NES came out holds the most memorable video game experiences of my childhood.

Re:de facto shorthand for 'video games'. (1)

SoapDish (971052) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524767)

Well, I myself will be 21 in a month, and I'm an NES fan. My brothers got one, and I'd play it. It's amazing how much time you've got to play Dragon Warrior when you're not in kindergarten yet (or just in kindergarten). We also got the SNES the day it came out, so I was playing that at about 7.

That being said, the GP is clearly talking about our parents. They were the ones saying 'he's playing nintendo'. We'd say we're playing video games on a sega, et cetera, because we knew all about what we were doing.

Re:de facto shorthand for 'video games'. (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524780)

Woah, how old do you think NES fans are? Try late 20's and early 30's. I'm 29, and while I had an Atari when I was very young, the Christmas after the NES came out holds the most memorable video game experiences of my childhood

No no, you did not understood. Nintendo is aiming to NON PLAYERS and Casual players in this generation. Have you seen the promotional videos of the Wii? a lot of them have those grandmas and Joe/Jane Sixpack in them.

That was what I was talking about when saying "people nintendo is aiming", and, a lot of them where "non players" when the NES came in. That is why I stated that, for them Nintendo *means* home video-game system.

Anyone remember the movie "Hudson Hawk" [imdb.com] . In some of the lines, the main girl asks the main character if he "wants to go to her home to play nintendo", he asks "what is to play Nintendo?" as he was in jail for a lot of time [note, she was referring to have a Sublime eXiting eXperience].

I think, that demonstrate the level of "common knowledge" that Nintengo had in those times. And again, as I said before, a lot of that people are now 40 to 60.

Re:de facto shorthand for 'video games'. (1)

masterzora (871343) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524907)

Hell, I'm 17 and *I* grew up with a NES and SNES. Granted, I was three when the SNES came out, but those were definitely good times. I think my most memorable moments were the days that my brother *finally* let me play his copies of Zelda I & II and Dragon Warrior.... ah, yes.

Re:de facto shorthand for 'video games'. (1)

bittmann (118697) | more than 8 years ago | (#15525099)

"First" it was Nintendo?

Ahh...all the times we'd get together to "play Atari" forgotten...

Heck.... (4, Interesting)

caffeinatedOnline (926067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524279)

With the way the Nintendo is marketing the Wii, they just might win the console war as well. Now mind you, I am not a Nintendo fan, haven't owned a system by them since the N64. I was one of those people standing out in line in the bitter cold when the 360 launched so I could have a chance to buy one. Now it sits in my entertainment system to occasionally be turned on to watch a DVD or smack down my wife/friends in a friendly game of DOA. It is all speculation on my part, but I will be buying a Wii as soon as I can, and can see it being used often, definitely more often then the 360. It is something that my 2 year old can play, my wife can play, my friends can play, and something that I would want to play. Throw in all the back catalog titles, and it might be used more then the cable box.

Re:Heck.... (1)

DorkusMasterus (931246) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524414)

I'm in the same boat, (except I don't yet own a 360)... I'm entirely certain I will purchase a Wii close to launch, if not on launch. I'm typically not that kind of person. I'm an avid gamer, and I love what hi-def, next-gen brings to the table, but if I can get nearly the entire back-catalogue of NES, SuperNES and N64 games as well as get the cool new games designed to utilize the Wii's strange capabilities... that's what gaming is all about! The reason all of us got into gaming in the first place, was that it was new... exciting... imaginative. While I still don't like the name, the console is one of the first in a long time to really bring that back. Playstation did it with discs that were black (admit it, it was really cool at the time), with the combination of rumble and analog controls, with great games, and all in one package. Before that, Nintendo brought it with the first "arcade-quality" system that you could own in the home. I remember thinking to myself "Why are these people paying money to play Super Mario Bros? I can go home and play it for free!" That was a cool moment. Anyway, Wii seems to be taking this one step further, bringing innovation and by breaking gameplay conventions, bringing something unique to the home, and that's what's going to help it sell. I would not be surprised if it outsells the PS3, claiming console dominance this round. Next round, who knows?

Re:Heck.... (4, Interesting)

AugstWest (79042) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524588)

Well, I've got the whole media center thing, and I've got all of the NES/SNES content playable, as well as MAME and Intellivision and ColecoVision and just about any other console you can imagine. It's all on my old XBox, and it works flawlessly. DVD player? Yup. Media Center? Yup. DivX/XVid/AVI/MPG/MP4/RM content? Yup.

It's the single greatest device I've ever bought, and Microsoft had nothing to do with its greatness. Hell, they try to prevent it.

Re:Heck.... (3, Insightful)

apoc06 (853263) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524451)

I feel like I'm the only nay-sayer here, but I love and hate the hype behind the wii's virtual console.

It's great to be able to have instant access to nintendo's full first party backcatalog, a few third party games, and the sega and TG-16 stuff, but then what? Personally, I've had access to those for years now. They are great for a few hours, but not worth spending money buying. Worse yet, most of us have grown up buying nintendo games. Ultimately, some titles will have to be bought all over again. They are using the iTunes example for video games, however iTunes always had the ability to import your current CD collection. If I have a cartridge copy of Super Mario 64 and I want to play it on my wii, I dont want to have to pay $10-20 to buy it again.

Until nintendo comes up with some way to allow games already bought by a user to be provided free, or imported onto the wii, I feel like it's a black mark on an otherwise wonderful idea.

Re:Heck.... (0)

Miaowara_Tomokato (757775) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524627)

If I have a cartridge copy of Super Mario 64 and I want to play it on my wii, I dont want to have to pay $10-20 to buy it again.

I certainly hope you won't pay that much, especially considering that Nintendo has given a price range [slashdot.org] of ~US$4.50 to US$8.99.

Re:Heck.... (3, Informative)

nevergleam (900375) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524904)

That price range was for games newly developed for the virtual console, not classic titles.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/711/711629p1.html [ign.com]

There's no confirmation yet as to prices of classic titles.

Re:Heck.... (1)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524733)

I don't expect them to really do it, but I sure would like to see a cartridge reader accessory (one per cartridge type would be fine), like how the N64 had the ability to read GameBoy cartridges. The real problem would be non-savvy users getting angry when a cartridge doesn't work, either because the contacts are dirty or because it does something weird that the emulator gets wrong.

It would be really sad if the primary reason they didn't do it was because someone might turn it into a generic cartridge dumper, because basically everything has been dumped already.

Oh yeah, and it would also be cool if it could have CD system emulators too, like for Turbo CD, Neo Geo CD, and Sega CD. (Then you could play all of ten or so of the good Sega CD games, most of which go for $50 or more anyhow! Wiiii!)

Re:Heck.... (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#15525137)

The SNES had the ability to read GameBoy cardridges (including GBC) first. I should know, I had the adapter.

Re:Heck.... (2, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524748)

They are using the iTunes example for video games, however iTunes always had the ability to import your current CD collection.

And your tape collection? And your vinyl and eight-track collection? Okay, if you had a tape/record/8-track player you could record onto your computer, encode, and then add it, but that requires compatible players and inputs, analgous to owning an older game console which you could just use instead, which brings me to the Wii virtual console:

How would this work? Without providing a way to insert a NES/SNES/N64 cartridges, the Wii itself won't be able to use your old games. So how would Nintendo know that you owned the old game? You probably don't have receipts or UPC symbols for the games... are you going to ship your old cartridges to Nintendo HQ? The shipping would cost almost as much as Nintendo has been quoting for their VC games.

It's a fine idea you have, but not really practical. Repurchasing content is fairly normal when moving to a new format especially when it drastically changes physical form factors. Compatability among multiple forms of cartridges isn't something that any console does; it only makes sense in the generations that have started to use optical disks. Nintendo seems to be offering very reasonable prices for old games -- I'd say $10 is a good price for anything N64 generation, and hopefully NES era games will be very cheap or come in bundles. I think it's unfair to call it a "black mark" that the Wii won't read your Mario64 cartridge. If that's really what you want, you should have kept your N64.

Re:Heck.... (1)

Christopher Rogers (873720) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524912)

Perhaps having a cartridge plug-in add-on isn't such a bad idea... you can plug in a cartridge and you can either play it "live," or you can possibly import it into the Wii's Virtual Console. And since the accessory plugs in with USB you can also plug it into your computer. But hey, why not? You can use your Gamecube discs without having to buy them again to use on the Wii, so why not NES, SNES, or N64 games, if you're willing to buy an adapter?

Re:Heck.... (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524640)

It is something that my 2 year old can play, my wife can play, my friends can play, and something that I would want to play.

But is it something the majority of households want to play? The argument of the aricle is that Nintendo will "win." This is your argument too. But in order to do that, you not only need great games that a lot of people want to play, you need great games that a majority (or at least a plurality) of people want to play.

Looking at the numbers of the last generation, the kind of games most people wanted to play were the type of games they were likely to find on the PS2 or Xbox. Though the Nintendo games were often terrific, far fewer people thought they were worth their hard-erned cash.

Even on the handheld gaming front, TFA says
The DS has sold around 16-17million DSs; Sony has sold around 16-17million PSPs. So this is no walkover - it's a battle still raging!
Clearly, many people are speaking with their dollars that PSP/PS2-style games are something they prefer on handhelds as well.

But now lets come full circle. Also from TFA
Handheld format -- installed base (Japan)
DS (and DS Lite) -- 8.1 million
GBA SP -- 5.5 million
PSP -- 4.4 million
Clearly some people much prefer the Nintendo mix of games. Those people have a tendency to live in Japan. Nintendo will never "win" if the only hearts and minds it captures are in Japan and the rest of the world prefers a different style of gaming. They'll be very succesful (the are very successful) but "winning" will stay beyond their grasp.

TW

P.S. Were you getting the full implication of those handheld numbers? If the total sales are equal, but DS sold nearly 4 million consoles more in Japan, that means that the DS sold nearly 4 million consoles less in the rest of the world. These numbers imply that the DS is actually "losing" everywhere but Japan.

Re:Heck.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524791)

Note: Game sales are way way WAY off on DS v PSP....

A lotta PSP's were sold but not alot of games have been sold...

Re:Heck.... (1)

c_forq (924234) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524930)

The DS has sold around 16-17million DSs; Sony has sold around 16-17million PSPs. So this is no walkover - it's a battle still raging!

This omits a very important fact. Look up both consoles on Wikipedia, notice under the PSP the number is given as units shipped. Sony always does numbers by what they shipped, vs. Nintendo marking what has sold. So while 17 million PSPs have shipped, how many of those are actually in the hands of consumers?

Re:Heck.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524777)

caffeinatedOnline, it's the people like you and your wife who are going to help Nintendo win the console war: the people who aren't regularly Nintendo fans, but who see the Wii, and say "damn, that's cool," or, in the case of your two-year-old, "hey, it looks like you can just pick it up and start playing, no problem!"

What Nintendo has done is, essentially, hooked both hardcore gamers (which you may be, standing in the cold for the 360) and non-gamers alike. Hardcore gamers will be offered challenging, immersive titles, I'm sure. Non-gamers will be offered the same, but this generation around, all they have to do is move the controller around and maybe a thumb, too. There won't be 200,000 buttons on the controller to confuse the hell out of them.

Every single person I talk to is excited about the Wii, and I think that Nintendo is going to have overwhelmingly tremendous success with it. I know I'm sold.

Some things that will help (5, Insightful)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524293)

I've been talking about this with my wife, who is actually interested in seeing the Wii in action (she's hooked on the Brain Games).

Some things that I think would help cement Nintendo:

1. DVD player - I believe word is that the DVD player aspects are a "plug in" - I'm assuming something like the original Xbox codec plug in device to enable DVD playback. Personally, I'd just as soon see it just built in - bite the bullet on the cost, Nintendo, and people will go "Hm - $200, and it plays games *and* my DVD movies", instead of "Hm - $200, but I have to spend another $30 to play movies? Eh."

2. Push the online gaming. While I'm a single player gaming whore, I still think that online is the way to go. I'm very disappointed that Tecmo is bringing Pangya Golf [pangya.com] to the Wii, but not the online play! Maybe they feel it won't matter much, but I think the difference can be crucial. Nintendo should make it clear in cases like these that online play is to be built in - or the game doesn't get ported. I'm not saying they should make online play when it doesn't exist - but in clear cases like this, but the sucker in.

3. Advertise, advertise, advertise. Advertise the sports games during Oprah for exercise. Advertise "Red Steel" during "24" and such. Get the word out, and don't just show the game - show how people play it. Let people see that controller until there isn't a person in the world who doesn't go "Oh - that's that Wii thing - looks interesting."

We'll have to see what happens, but Nintendo could take back a lot of market. So far, I'd say their making a lot of the right moves.

Re:Some things that will help (1)

SpiritOfGrandeur (686449) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524431)

1. DVD player...
It is not going to have HD capabilities. Most people will not use it for a DVD player even with the 30$ upgrade.

DVD != HD (3, Insightful)

norminator (784674) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524584)

No DVD player supports HD. The HD support on the PS3 is for Blu-Ray, and Microsoft will have an HD-DVD addon for the XBox 360, but HD-DVD isn't really DVD anyhow. The Wii will support 480p, which is as much as you can say about any DVD player. Whether or not it supports HD has nothing to do with whether or not a DVD player is included.

Some people are saying that unlike when the PlayStation2 came out, everyone has a DVD player now, so noone needs that functionality. Well my DVD player (first one I've owned, besides my DVD-ROM drive) is making all sorts of funny noises, and may be on its way out. So if I can get a sweet game console that includes a DVD player, but is only as big as 3 DVD cases stacked, then that sounds like a great deal. I'd guess I'm not the only one in need of a DVD player replacement.

Re:DVD != HD (1)

tfinniga (555989) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524618)

The thing about using your console as a DVD player is that consoles generally suck as DVD players.

Re:Some things that will help (2, Insightful)

sirwired (27582) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524449)

I'm not sure the ability to play DVD's makes any difference at all anymore. When you can buy an entire player from your local drugstore for $20 (on sale), I really don't think folks are going to avoid the Wii because it doesn't play DVD's right out of the box.

If 99.9% of the homes that will buy a Wii already have a DVD player, isn't it to everybody's advantage to not have to pay the licensing fees for yet another player?

SirWired

Re:Some things that will help (2, Insightful)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524491)

How many people want both a DVD player and a Wii on their entertainment unit?

Sure - I could go buy a $30 DVD player, but now I've got two pieces of electronics cluttering my home. Nintendo could offer to clear some of that up. Lord knows, most people I know want less electronics, not more.

Re:Some things that will help (1)

yeoua (86835) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524460)

I personally disagree with the built in dvd player. Who doesn't have one right now?

As for those who want it to be the media center... the Wii isn't about that. It's small enough to just fit into a nook among the rest of your media center. And besides, you could spend under $50 to get yourself a dvd player if needed. For the XBOX and PS2 (and the XBOX360 and PS3) it might have been necessary since the size of the thing might have prevented easily fitting in both the console AND the dvd player.

As for me, I already have a dvd player sitting right here on my desk. It's a computer. I don't need another one, and wouldn't want Nintendo to foot the bill on something that quite a few people have already. And well... if you don't have it, the dvd dongle costs less than most stand alone dvd players. So the option is the best way to go in my opinion.

Re:Some things that will help (2, Insightful)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524483)

DVD player!? are you fucking kidding!?

why tax EVERYONE for such a non-feature?

who has a DVD collection but not a DVD player? who likes the idea of buying DVDs but hasn't bothered to get one yet? who can't buy a DVD player for about 10 big macs anyway? who thinks DVD playback is actually worth writing on the box, let alone comprimising an entire "it's all about fun games" business strategy and marketing campaign over?

omg. you're so wrong.

Re:Some things that will help (1)

Tweekster (949766) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524504)

Seriously, I dont think anyone cares about dvd playback anymore. Sure it was nice with the xbox, but hell by that time dvd players were becoming so cheap it was not a big deal

Re:Some things that will help (1)

martinultima (832468) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524800)

Personally, I'd rather have my DVD player in a regular desktop computer than a game console – DVD-ROM drives can play both movies and computer discs, and they're dirt cheap (I know a place near where I live that sells the things for $5 each; I've already gotten three ;-) And not only that, but with the right software you can rip the DVD's to your hard disk for faster playback later – you only have to hunt for a virtual file, not a physical plastic disc that's probably scratched and covered in dust anyway. Plus computer screens are considerably higher-resolution than TV's anyway.

And one last thing: With the right equipment you can hook your computer up to your TV – I have a TView Micro which I sometimes use with my own machines, which just plugs into the standard monitor port and outputs onto the regular component video jack – and a lot of graphics cards have built-in TV out. If you've got a sufficiently quiet machine [you can get a dead-silent Compaq DeskPro for $55 or so on eBay, that's what I did] you're set to go!

Having said all that, I definitely want Wiin – Whatever It Is Now, may as well prove the name could be worse – once it's here, because screw the DVD player, everyone knows it's about the games anyway!

Re:Some things that will help (2, Interesting)

earthbound kid (859282) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524507)

Speculation about the DVD player attachment follows:

Nintendo has said before the DVD player will be an attachment, which has made some people think it will be an entire external drive that plugs in. My theory is that there is a reason for this. Gamecube discs spin backwards from DVDs and CDs. This is one reason why almost no one has pirate Gamecube discs. Since the Wii is backwards compatible, it too will probably spin backwards for at least Gamecube discs and possible Wii ones as well. Accordingly, I think that the Wii's main drive will be entirely incapable of spinning in the usual direction as an anti-piracy measure, necessitating the external reader for DVDs.

It's a theory, that's all, but see if it doesn't turn out to be true.

Re:Some things that will help (1)

bassgoonist (876907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524662)

IIRC the discs don't spin backwards, the laser reads from the outside in and THATS why people can't pirate the discs.

Re:Some things that will help (2, Informative)

earthbound kid (859282) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524715)

Well, I suck.

From the Wikipedia,
The Nintendo GameCube uses a unique storage medium, the GameCube Optical Disc, a proprietary format based on Matsushita's optical-disc technology; the discs are approximately 8 centimeters (3 1/8 inches) in diameter (considerably smaller than the 12 cm CDs or DVDs used in competitors' consoles), and the discs have a capacity of approximately 1.5 gigabytes. Contrary to popular belief, GameCube discs are not physically read any differently from a standard DVD disc, but are encrypted and contain a 'bar code' unreadable by most DVD drives. This move was mainly intended to prevent piracy of GCN titles, but like most anti-piracy technology, it was eventually cracked. By exploiting a flaw in Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II, users were able to connect their GameCubes to their PCs and run homebrew programming on the console.

Damn you, popular belief! *Shakes fist*

Re:Some things that will help (2, Insightful)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524633)

1. DVD player - I believe word is that the DVD player aspects are a "plug in" - I'm assuming something like the original Xbox codec plug in device to enable DVD playback. Personally, I'd just as soon see it just built in - bite the bullet on the cost, Nintendo, and people will go "Hm - $200, and it plays games *and* my DVD movies", instead of "Hm - $200, but I have to spend another $30 to play movies? Eh."
Who's waiting for the Wii to come out to get a DVD player? Who is interested in the Wii is going to have a problem sliding their Wii next to their DVD player? If the Wii does have built in DVD player, who's going to throw out their current DVD player? The only people I know who might have problems fitting the Wii in their entertainment center are lacking space because they have ten other game systems shoved into it and will keep buying game systems even if they have to start hanging them from the ceiling.

Seriously, what is the big deal about DVD playback? Sure, it was cool back when the PS2 came out and no one had a DVD player, but now everyone does. Also, the reason the Wii is going to be so much cheaper than the PS3 and Xbox360 is because they're ignoring everything besides what will make fun games. DVD playback isn't nescessary for fun games. Not to mention, the DVD playback liscensing fees go to Sony (amoung others). Why should Nintendo send money to their competitor so that their product has a feature most won't use? I just don't get it.

Re:Some things that will help (1)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524735)

1. DVD player

DVD players started becoming ubiquitous six years ago. Everyone has one already. And anyone who doesn't have one can pick one up for $30. Adding DVD playback functionality won't be much of an added incentive. Nintendo is smart to leave that out.

Re:Some things that will help (1)

bludstone (103539) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524937)

You couldnt be more wrong.

1. DVD player -

Everyone has one. Noone cares if their videogame system can play dvds or not.

2. Push the online gaming. -

Less then 10% of videogame players play games online, and even then, do you really want to deal with the immature, smack-talking, swearing, "give me my chocolate milk, bitch!" crowd? Nintendo is focusing on people having fun, together in the house, as per the previews. It will probably have some online play, but the online component will likely be used more for downloading more games then actual online gaming.

3. Advertise, advertise, advertise. -

Nintendo's biggest push in this is a new mode of gameplay, something VERY difficult to advertise for. They walk a fine line between "That looks cool" and "That looks dumb." Their best bet is to actually get people playing it in stores and friends' homes. That'll be the real trick. Of course, commercials should exist, but their focus should be on getting the system in peoples' hands.

Re:Some things that will help (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15525147)

Here's something you're all overlooking wrt DVD playback.

Its called a television. It takes up space.

It has a fixed number of inputs on the back. And Joe Shmoe, average guy, has filled the available 2 with a sat set-top box and a DVD player.

Hows he going to plug in the Wii? Does he know you can get SCART multi-ins to allow more than the 2 devices he has plugged in?

Maybe not. After all, Nintendo are going after non-technical, non-gaming people with the Wii.

Simple solution: ditch the $20 dvd player, slot in a Wii. Non-technical people love devices that do more than one thing: viz, integrated hi-fi systems versus purists separate systems.

Also: how much room do you think is left under/above/to the side of the average tv after all your boxen are installled? Again, non-technical people (and I speak from real experience here as I'm married to one) dont relish the prospect of another box to join the 7 or 8 that are there already.

So This Is A DS Fanboy Market 'Analysis'? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524303)

Perhaps the link is wrong but all I see at the link the summary points to is a rambling blog of a DS fanboy.

it has a good chance (1)

sepharious (900148) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524306)

It plays well, has acceptable graphical capabilities, has a gimmick, and, most of all, its a helluva lot cheaper than the competitors. But its all going to hinge on the games. If they can make the Wiimote sing, the colors shine, and tickle your mind at the same time, then they have a fighting chance.

Sony won last round, bu Nintendo will win this one (1)

CokoBWare (584686) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524322)

Sony won the last two rounds because it did better than what Nintendo did traditionally. Nintendo has smartly identified that innovation in gameplay will compell users to their platform, not just raw hardware specs. I think Sony will play a close second to Nintendo, although I am a die-hard Sony PS2 and PSP fan, I am very much looking forward to buying my Wii and integrating it with my newly purchased DS.

Even my wife likes the DS and wants a Wii. And she hates most videogames.

Re:Sony won last round, bu Nintendo will win this (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524617)

Sony won the last two rounds because it did better than what Nintendo did traditionally.

Namely, attract the best third-party game publishers in the world -- the Konamis, the Capcoms, the EAs, the Rares.

Regardless of how fun or innovative the Wii's control scheme is, if the only good titles available for it continue to be first-party, Nintendo will not emerge on top. At this point, it's still too early to say.
 

DS all over again (1)

Oldsmobile (930596) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524329)

Well, Nintendo seems to be going for the strategy, where you get other people than your normal gaming bunch interested. The DS seems to have done this on its part, so I'm expecting some more with the Wii.

I've definetly got my money on Nintendo this time around. I mean, I see no reason why PS3 and/or X-Box won't make lots of money catering to the gaming crowd, but Nintendo will bee the one emerging victorious from under a humongous pile of money.

Not really... (2, Insightful)

Zebai (979227) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524332)

Actually I find the large assortment of Nintendo games available to be substandard junk. (Including the N64 and the new DS) there are a few great games for the systems, most of them available from Nintendo themself like Zelda, Mario, Nintendo Dogs, and other Nintendo produced titles. However the bread and butter of any console success is the popularity of 3rd party tittles, as this is what brings most of the money the console makers. Now lets take a look at the "good" titles of this new ds New Super Mario Bros Nintendo Dogs Metroid Hunters Animal Crossing Castlevania Mario & Luigi Partners in Time Mario Kart DS Get the point? most of these hit titles are directly produced by Nintendo itself. Nintendo 64 had the same problem but a much larger selection so just on a larger scale. What nintendo needs to do to win the upcomming console wars is to make 3rd party developing extremely friendly, make it so your console can play revolutionary new immersive games that people WANT to make for the Wii. Now this new console is going to be hard to predict, the new controller style is so new and quite innovative that it might create an entirely new market of games that wasnt previously available. And the most important thing is to DROP CARTRIDGES. They are the least unfriendly thing to 3rd party developing that they ever created, plus they are extremely limited in capacity. Playstation 1 had a great idea on its CD system that allows for multi disk gaming, allowing for the development of titles that had HUGE amount of content like Final Fantasy. I dont know about some of you but I've beat almost every nintendo DS title in less than a week. It took me 2 days to beat the new Super Mario Bros, and i was playing at my spare time at work (spent 3rd day unlocking secret levels).

Re:Not really... (1)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524429)

why drop cartridges? so we can have no battery life like the PSP?

Nintendo's whole philosophy is that game size isn't important, the fun is. I agree, if you don't then just spend your money elsewhere.

Nintendo is doing fine. unlike Sony and MS they actually make a profit on their games. And I find them the most enjoyable.

Thid-party support is getting better (5, Insightful)

LKM (227954) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524571)

most of them available from Nintendo themself like Zelda, Mario, Nintendo Dogs, and other Nintendo produced titles.

The title is not "Nintendo Dogs". It's Nintendogs. Had you ever actually played it, you'd know this.


Now lets take a look at the "good" titles of this new ds New Super Mario Bros Nintendo Dogs Metroid Hunters Animal Crossing Castlevania Mario & Luigi Partners in Time Mario Kart DS Get the point? most of these hit titles are directly produced by Nintendo itself.

Castlevania isn't a Nintendo game. Why don't we talk about the awesome DS games from third-party developers? You've already mentioned Castlevania, but there's also Meteos, Sonic Rush, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Sk8land (at last a fresh Tony Hawk's game), Viewtiful Joe, Feel the Magic, Pac Pix or Trauma Center. Nintendo had trouble with third-party support on the N64 and on the Cube, but on the DS, it's changing, and they're investing a lot to get third-parties on board with the Wii.

Although I must admit that I do not care too much. It's great having third-party support, but I'd buy a Wii if only Nintendo made games for it: They're always top notch and a lot of fun.

Re:Not really... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524585)

and you need to learn basic markup and/or grammar.

A few hints: line breaks, commas, and whitespace.

Oh and good for you, you are teh leet for beating all those games1!!! the idea behind solid state (cartriges) is that they boot in an instant, no waiting around for CD spin-up and down. From what I hear, the UMD killed the PSP. No one wants their mobile games to have load times. . .

Re:Not really... (1)

martinultima (832468) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524863)

Wholeheartedly agree with that one – I much prefer the cartridge system myself, because it's just so much faster, quieter, and much harder to scratch. I find it kind of odd that with computers we want to move to solid-state media such as flash memory, but with game consoles it has to be away from it; while the capacity may be higher for optical discs, the read time is extremely slow... and as Yoda says, "Size matters not." I don't care how big the game is or what kind of graphics it has, I just want actual gameplay. Half the reason retro-gaming is still so popular is because, back before graphics were as powerful as they are today, developers actually focused on creating fun but challenging games that actually were worth playing. Who cares how much detail you can see when there's nothing to see?

Also, one other thing I liked about cartridges is that you could save directly to the cartridge without buying a separate memory card. While this does have the disadvantage that you can't share your data with a friend, etc. unless the game supports saving to either location, it was definitely very convenient back when we first got our N64 and we hadn't yet gotten a memory card for the thing. And maybe I'm wrong here, but it seems faster with that, too.

Re:Not really... (1)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524613)

Let's look at an independent source, like metacritic's DS game ranking. I see a bunch of 3rd party games that scored over 80:

Castlevania DS - Konami
Osu Tatakae Ouendan - Inis
Meteos - Q Entertainment
Tony Hawk - Vicarious Visions
Sonic Rush - Sega
Trauma Center - Atlus
Jump Superstars - Ganbarian
Phoenix Wright - Capcom
Age of Empires -Digital Eclipse

Not all that bad IMO, given that, IIRC, all of those came out in the last 12 months.

Re:Not really... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524772)

Now answer me this.

Do you own a Nintendo DS? And how many of the games you mentioned above do you own?

Before I buy a game, it has to be great... that means I have to think it's great, not some website, me. None of the games you mentioned are in my tastes, they may be good, but they do not appeal to me.

Every system has the potential for great games, for me, Nintendo just does not deliver that. Currently all the games I am tempted to play/buy are on the Playstation2. The only thing holding me back is that new games cost 67 euros on this system. (that would be US$80)

Each of these is on its own worth getting a DS for (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524976)

You didn't ask me, but anyway. I own a DS. From grandparent's list, I own the following games:

Castlevania DS: Awesome game. Easily the best Castlevania I've ever played.

Meteos: Used to be the best puzzler until Tetris came along. And getting beaten by Tetris is no shame, really.

Tony Hawk: The first time that I've actually played through a Tony Hawk's since THPS2. Also the first time they actually introduced some really great new features since THPS2.

Sonic Rush: Finally, a new 2D Sonic. And it rules.

Trauma Center: Played it about two hours. Fun game, great idea, frantic gameplay, unfortunately too hard for me.

Phoenix Wright: Can't wait for part 2. Great, great adventure.

I haven't played the other games, but these are really awesome games. Each of them is worth getting a DS for on its own.

Nintendo fan after all? (2, Insightful)

norminator (784674) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524637)

I dont know about some of you but I've beat almost every nintendo DS title in less than a week. It took me 2 days to beat the new Super Mario Bros, and i was playing at my spare time at work (spent 3rd day unlocking secret levels).

For someone who complains about Nintendo a lot, you've sure spent plenty of time playing their games.

Re:Not really... (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524745)

It really can't be held against Nintendo if the 3rd parties can't make hit games. Sony doesn't have much in the way of hit 1st party games, and Microsoft has a few, but they wouldn't if they weren't buying up development studios left and right. So what if Nintendo is responsible for most of thier own profits?

Give up cartriges? They did, see the Gamecube. Those are discs. As far as portable goes, mechanical media is a joke. Load times on handhelds are a huge detractor from the product. Think about it, you're on the go. The last thing you want 4 minutes out of your 15 minute brake consumed by load times. Then there's the battery life. I don't know about you, but I really enjoy the fact that I can play my DS for a week or two without worrying about charging it. I just close it and go back to my game later (I know the PSP also has a sleep mode). Size isn't a big deal anymore either. With screens that small, textures don't need to be nearly as detailed, and flash memory keeps getting cheaper and cheaper. Check out Pricewatch [pricewatch.com] . Some formats have 512MB of flash for under 25 bucks.

Re:Not really... (1)

SoapDish (971052) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524993)

"I dont know about some of you but I've beat almost every nintendo DS title in less than a week. It took me 2 days to beat the new Super Mario Bros, and i was playing at my spare time at work (spent 3rd day unlocking secret levels)."

"HUGE amount of content like Final Fantasy"

That's funny, I beat the New Super Mario Bros in an afternoon. That's because it's a platformer, not an RPG. NDS cartridges can also currently hold more than a CD.

As for final fantasy, I've beaten VII and X in less than 30h each cause they were just there -- I haven't played any others. Dragon Warrior 4 on the NES took me much longer than that (with no FMVs thank God), so more storage does not mean more time in a game.

On top of that, many NDS games are in the puzzle genre, which should not take that long to "beat".

Classics (1)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524344)

I remember Golden Eye. That game was a CLASSIC.

Nintendo has something that I think is really going for them. It is the amount of fun in there multiplayer games. I allways enjoyed playing Mario Party with 3 other people back in the days. It is stuff like that, that can be fun for both younger kids aswell as older.

I for one am sold on purchasing a nintendo over the new Sony or Microsoft Box. I think they have a wide variety in fun multiplayer games aswell as action games.

Re:Classics (1)

aslate (675607) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524459)

If there was one game i'd re-release on a console it'd be Goldeneye, simply because i think my N64 has given up the ghost, and i just don't want to admit the console's dead and test it properly...

My understanding as to why it's never been done is something to do with Rare and Microsoft, hence buggering up licencing for their old games. I hope this isn't so, it'd really be great fun.

Re:Classics (1)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524498)

Well I think a good sequal was Perfect Dark. Most of the times when you take a good game and come out with a "Part 2" It's useually fubard. However they came out with a great sequal to a great game, and I think it was a good idea to leave it how it was. Rather keep it a classic than tear it apart with a crappy sequal.

That's a statistic I'd like to see expounded... (3, Insightful)

lpangelrob (714473) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524346)

In tie-ratio terms (for 2006 only)... DS owners are buying 3.5 pieces of software for every DS in Japan, while PSP owners are only buying an average of 1.2 each.

How does this work? Assuming a reasonable bell curve, I'm sure there are PSP owners in Japan with 8 games... what do the people that buy 0 or 1 games do with their PSP? Did the UMD format take off in Japan when I wasn't looking? What's going on?

Re:That's a statistic I'd like to see expounded... (2, Insightful)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524406)

I have 1 PSP game - "DJ Max Portable", and the rest of the time I use the emulation system. There are some games that are all right ("Dragon Fire III", which for some reason hasn't reached the US). But take a game like "Force Commander" - it's "Advance Wars DS" without a plot, and with pixelated muddy graphics. I tried it, decided "Hm, if I wanted to play Advance Wars on a smaller map with dingy graphics, I'd dirty up my DS screen".

I keep having hope for PSP titles, like "Blade Dancer", but I just haven't found one that really grabbed me - or that wasn't (like "Mega Man Hunter X") another remake (though I will buy "Valkyrie Profile", though I hear the PSP port was less than steller compared even to the PSX version).

Re:That's a statistic I'd like to see expounded... (1)

Grey Ninja (739021) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524453)

As the quote you posted mentions, that's only for this year. So DS owners have bought on average, 3.5 games over the last 6 months. While PSP owners have bought on average, 1.2 games over the last 6 months. It's entirely likely that there are a great many people who bought a PSP, got a game or two, and haven't bought one since.

Re:That's a statistic I'd like to see expounded... (1)

Spez (566714) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524537)

They buy movies. Everywhere i go, there is a bigger movie shelf for the PSP than the game shelf (Walmart, EBgames, Toy's R us, etc). I suppose PSP owner use them to watch movies.

Re:That's a statistic I'd like to see expounded... (1)

Null537 (772236) | more than 8 years ago | (#15525070)

Because they have nowhere to put all the junk UMDs. In case you've had your finger far from the pulse, UMDs aren't getting bought by anyone.

Re:That's a statistic I'd like to see expounded... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524556)

Those people that buy only one game usually get Liberty City Stories for its exploit to boot homebrew. Those that don't get any games don't have the firmware problem that the people who buy Liberty City Stories have and still use the system for homebrew.

Re:That's a statistic I'd like to see expounded... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524572)

home brew. No UMDs, no games, just a flash memory stick and hardware/firmware workarounds. 0 games purchased. Also, I hear the PSP looks fantastic when put on the shelf next to trophies from Pinewood Derby championships and sport fishing. A nice shiny-black contrast to the shiny-gold/silver/bronze of the trophies.

No bell curve (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524689)

I guess lots of people only buy one game (simply because if you buy a PSP for Lumines or Katamari, there may be no other PSP game that appeals to you) - or no game at all because they want to keep the old firmware and play emulators. So it's not going to be a bell curve.

Others probably buy tons of games.

Re:That's a statistic I'd like to see expounded... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524951)

a lot of people buying just one game?

Different strokes for different folks (1)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524396)

Many people enjoy immersing themselves in a game that focuses on emotion. While it might be light in strategy and gameplay, the graphics and "feeling" of the game are unmatched. It is more of a self-driven movie than a game. The 360 and PS3 will dominate these gamers. Sports games, Doom, Quake, etc.

Nintendo will focus on gamers who enjoy story and gameplay. This DS is the prime example of this. Unique and fun "gimmick" creating new and exciting gameplay, and the developers have spent more time on the story rather than graphics.

Which is better? Depends on your opinion. All 3 of these consoles will hit a market. The only real question mark is can the PS3 survive, not if the Wii will.

Wii Will Be A N64 Size Second Console (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524398)

Having played the Wii at E3 I can say that the first thing that jumps out at you about the system is the reality is nothing like the hype.

The Wii hype was crazy with talk of how it would revolutionize(no pun intended) console gaming. But what I saw at E3 was no big deal. And almost everything was not really that much different than playing with a normal controller. I can see myself getting over the initial enthusiasm for the Wii very quickly.

I can see the Wii as being something cool you turn on when you have some friends over. But for mainline, day to day gaming I don't think it really can hold up against the massive amount of amazing stuff I saw on the PS3 at E3.

I will certainly get a 499 PS3 for the majority of my gaming. And I hope the Wii is no more than 200 bucks. Any more and I will be happy to just play it at friends houses and pick one up later. I will be picking up a 1080p TV in the coming months now that prices are coming down so much and even if the PS3 did nothing but play BluRay movies at 1080p I would still pick one up.

News flash: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524597)

News Flash

While a Sony Fanboy Anonymous Coward is on the loose an Anonymous Coward reports that they were at E3 and, inspite of every Report from people that can prove they played the Wii and said it lived up to the hype, this AC reports that it is just a gimick.

Suprisingly enough, this AC also will be getting a PS3 and believes that it is the future of gaming ...

Re:Wii Will Be A N64 Size Second Console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524708)

>>I will certainly get a 499 PS3 for the majority of my gaming. And I hope the Wii is no more than 200 bucks. Any more and I will be happy to just play it at friends houses and pick one up later. I will be picking up a 1080p TV in the coming months now that prices are coming down so much and even if the PS3 did nothing but play BluRay movies at 1080p I would still pick one up.

The 499 PS3 CANNOT BE UPGRADED to play anything (movies or games) at 1080p. It doesn't have HDMI output, or even DVI. It can output through component video jacks, but they're limited to 720p or 1080i. If you could actually afford a 1080p TV, I'm sure you could afford the extra $100 for the "full" PS3 which won't need an upgrade. On the other hand, if you're worried about that $100 difference, I doubt the 1080p TV's will come down in price enough for you to buy one anyway.

I don't really see what your point is and it seems like you've really been confused by all the hype and meaningless specs. Since E3 is only open to the gaming press, I wonder how you could have gone there this year without knowing what I mentioned above.

Re:Wii Will Be A N64 Size Second Console (1)

ArmyOfFun (652320) | more than 8 years ago | (#15525010)

It can output through component video jacks, but they're limited to 720p or 1080i. If you could actually afford a 1080p TV
False. Component is capable of carrying 1080p. The issue is if the new DVD formats will require HDCP (HD Copy Protection). Any movie that is "protected" by HDCP will require a digital (DVI or HDMI) connection to display at full resolution. Analog connections (like component) will be downgraded to 480p. So, if you're buying the cheaper PS3 and you're interested in using it to watch Blu-Ray movies, you're making a gamble that you won't come across a movie you want that is "protected" by HDCP. If almost every movie ends up being "protected" by HDCP, you're screwed with the cheaper PS3.

Since E3 is only open to the gaming press
In theory this is true, but almost anyone who can afford a pass is allowed entry (not to mention all the extra tickets given to legitmate press that can wind up in anyone's hand).

I don't like... (-1, Flamebait)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524474)

...how EVERYONE is letting Nintendo off the hook for their colossal failures. Isn't anyone else ticked off at the fact that there are under 10 games worth owning for the Gamecube? It was the same story with the N64. How about the miserable excuse they called WindWaker (did anyone actually die once playing through it?) How about the original GBA, or the massive DS. How about the crappy controller that makes it impossible to truly master Smash Bros Melee. I do not understand how Nintendo has been consistently letting everyone down, then with this magic wand and nunchuk people are suddenly excited. "This time they've got it right" everyone seems to be shouting. They named it the Wii, people. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I'm looking forward to the next iteration of the system that gave me Xenosaga, SMT Nocturne and Digital Devil Saga 1&2, Katamari 1&2, Metal Gear Solid 2&3, Zone of the Enders 1&2, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, FFX, Kingdom Hearts 1&2, Star Ocean 3, Dragon Quest 8, Ico, Atelier Iris, Grandia II, Devil May Cry, God of War - and a slew of others that I can't recall. For the next generation, I'm going to bet on the system that gave me the innovative and enjoyable games THIS time around, and it wasn't the Gamecube.

You know how Nintendo can win the next generation war? GAMES. It's got nothing to do with the hardware, as the underpowered PS2 proves in unbelievable sales on one end, and the dismal performance of the powerful handheld PSP proves on the other. Games games games.

Re:I don't like... (1)

majortom1981 (949402) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524547)

The funnyiest part of this post? The fact that most if not all those games will have versions for the wii. Why are you blaming the games on Nintendo? Its not their fault that third parties are lazy. all Nitnendos games for the gamecube were great.

Re:I don't like... (1)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524621)

What? Which of those games are going to make it to the Wii? And it's completely Nintendo's fault they had no third party support - do you think 3rd party support just creates itself?

Re:I don't like... (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524612)

right, 10 games worth owning
isn't that enough?

i've got: resident evil 4, super monkey ball (planning on buying the sequel soon), pikmin 2, soul calibre 2, mario football and mario kart
(to be fair, i've got more, but those are the ones i play and enjoy)

which other games do i need/want?

yeah, got advanced wars as well, but haven't played yet

/ d

Re:I don't like... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524683)

Just 10 huh?

Ok let's start at the top:

Eternal Darkness
Resident Evil 4
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Super Mario Sunshine
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
Mario Golf
Mario Kart: Double Dash
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Legend of Zelda: Windwaker
Ikaruga
Four Swords Adventures
Crystal Chronicles
F-Zero GX

Other fantastic non-exclusive titles include Ubisoft's entire game library, like the Prince of Persia and Splinter Cell franchises, Beyond Good & Evil, King Kong, etc. Not to mention some killer collections (Mega Man, Mega Man X, TWO Sonic anthologies) and indie releases like Alien Hominid. And let's not even bother with the "quality over quantity" argument!

Now, I will grant that both Crystal Chronicles and Metroid Prime 2 had some disappointing aspects, and everyone knows the gamecube hasn't seen any notable releases since RE4. To boot, the PS2 had a REALLY banner year this time around (Gradius V, God of War, We (Heart) Katamari, Guitar Hero, Shadow of the Colossus) but that is NOT normal. I had to go dig my PS2 out of the closet last summer because there had been nothing but Ratchet and EA Sports sequels for the previous 2 or 3 years, and all of a sudden there were GAMES! Just because the PS2 (finally) had a good year doesn't mean the gamecube all of a sudden has no library.

Re:I don't like... (1)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524726)

Look, I love my Gamecube, and my DS Lite. I love Nintendo. I've just got three times as many great games for my PS2 is all I'm driving at.

And no, 10 good games isn't enough over 6 years if you really enjoy gaming. [phpwerx.net] That was a two years ago I think :)

Re:I don't like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524743)

Most of your titles suck. Badly. Your opinion is worthless. But thanks for trying.

Re:I don't like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524719)

You sound like a hardcore gamer. The Wii isn't for you.

You've probably already spent your load on the Xbox360 and it's 'cutting edge graphics go buy a HDTV kthxbye!' and you're going to do the same with the PS3. Good for you. I view you as being retarded for spending so much money on a console for pretty graphics.

Nintendo didn't have 3rd party support, but you know what, they still manage to turn a profit. Sales go down, profits fall, never do they go into the red.

You're all about the bleeding edge of gaming graphic and processing technology, and you can have it. I've already got something for that, it's called a PC. And even then, I don't have the time to play PC games much anymore. I've fallen back into the casual gamer category b/c I, you know, have a life. I go to work, I spend time with my wife, visit family, go outside... you know, life. Things beyond video games, junk food, alcohol and sitting in a dark room.

Nintendo has repeatedly stated that the Wii and the DS aren't for people like you. Let it go, they don't want you. You're so bitter about not being wanted that you're lashing out at Nintendo for passing you and your money over for teenagers, pre-teens and your parents. Maybe even your grandparents. Just let it go.

Go back to your hardcore games and tell all your buddies on the PS3 board that j00 r0x0r3d teh /. thread on NintenSux and it's crappy graphics. Bravo to you, sir. You sure showed us what's what.

Re:I don't like... (1)

mj_sklar (888539) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524905)

So contrary to everyone else, you're saying the problem is that Nintendo is focusing too much on hardware, and not enough on games, where as the PS2 is all about enjoyable games with absolutley zero emphasis on hardware?

Sir, I find your rantings very interesting and would like to suscribe to your newsletter.

Re:I don't like... (1)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 8 years ago | (#15525030)

No, I'm just saying that the Wii's controller is not going to be enough to make it a great system. To clarify a bit, I'm saying that I have found no corelation between the power of the hardware and how much I enjoy the system.

Tons of Gamecube games worth owning (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 8 years ago | (#15525135)

Isn't anyone else ticked off at the fact that there are under 10 games worth owning for the Gamecube?

No. Nobody else is ticket off at this. Because it's not true. Gameranking lists 106 games rated 80% or higher. Every last one of these is worth owning, and a lot more are worth it, too.

And why the heck do you want to die when playing a game? I bet Monkey Island must have been a huge disappointment.

It's like comparing apples and idiots (0)

Doomedsnowball (921841) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524503)

From TFA: In short, I think Nintendo is coming out of a tunnel that Sony is only just going into and Microsoft hasn't even seen on the horizon.

In short?

In a huge piece on moblie gaming, Pocket Gamer reports...

Yeah, a huge piece of crap speculation. The author starts a melee of paragraphs with "Anyway, After all, Ultimately, It's a fair point, Equally, In other words, All that said, That might be right, Furthermore, However, To an extent, Nevertheless, If history is any guide, What's more, and Still."

It's like his boss told him to write 3,000 words on the Nintendo DS vs. Sony's PSP. How can you have so many meandering arguements that lead nowhere and find no conclusion? How can you read an article that starts with the question of who will win the handheld console war and COMPLETELY FAIL TO MENTION THAT PSP's PLAY MOVIES!!! I would try to be nice, or even diplomatic about it, but I have to say that this article is crap and the author is an idiot.

Re:It's like comparing apples and idiots (1)

FlyingCheese (883571) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524570)

How can you read an article that starts with the question of who will win the handheld console war and COMPLETELY FAIL TO MENTION THAT PSP's PLAY MOVIES!!! I would try to be nice, or even diplomatic about it, but I have to say that this article is crap and the author is an idiot.


Yea, if you like to spend $20 on a UMD when you can buy a DVD and watch the same movie in a much higher quality for the same or less money. Plus the fact that only a few movies are released in that format.

Re:It's like comparing apples and idiots (2, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524639)

How can you read an article that starts with the question of who will win the handheld console war and COMPLETELY FAIL TO MENTION THAT PSP's PLAY MOVIES!!!

Probably because everyone has completely failed to care that the PSP plays movies.

UMD movies anyway... Playing ripped movies may be a different story, though I'm not sure if that qualifies as something only 'power users' do, like booting Linux on a PS2. UMD though has turned out to have basically zero impact on the handheld wars. You're right it probably should have been mentioned, even if dismissed quickly.

Re:It's like comparing apples and idiots (1)

Doomedsnowball (921841) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524693)

I didn't intend to give the impression that PSP movies have been much help in sales, but that comparing the directions the two companies are taking to increase market share are totally different paths, and with totally different pitfalls. Yeah, I would like to see who wins, but it comes down to predicting something that (given the directions taken by both companies) is not clear to anyone. So what does this article have to offer in terms of clarification or answers? Nothing.

Re:It's like comparing apples and idiots (2, Informative)

Nephroth (586753) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524670)

Um... PSPs used to play movies. Sony has announced that the UMD movie format will be retired...

Re:It's like comparing apples and idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524856)

when you make claims like this you have to back them up with sources

Backwards Compatability (1)

Pojodojo (930080) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524629)

... is what will hook it for me. I want to be able to play all the classics such as MarioKart, Smash Bros, Mario64... for the N64, and also lots of games from the SNES such as the classis sidescrolling titles like Ninja Turtles and the great RPGs like Secret of Mana. If I can play all these titles on one system, without any jerry-rigging, I will be in heaven. Now all they need to do is buy out Sega and put some Genesis titles on there and I will be locked in my room for life.

Re:Backwards Compatability (1)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524685)

No need to buy out Sega.

It's already been confirmed that the VC system will be able to play Genesis games. Turbo-Graphix 16 as well.

I don't understand (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524644)

I don't understand the people who say that the Wii will 'win' the 'console war' based on the sales of the DS.

If you take a look at the DS sales [videogamecharts.com] and assume they will sell 4 time the amount of Wii you still fall about 17 million short (less then half) of where the PS2 was and (actually a little more) than the Xbox at the end of 2005.

The console and the handheld market are entirely seperate markets. You can't predict success in one because of the other (look at the PSP). As for the Wii inovation, they were inovative with the DS too and (according to June's issue of EGM) 80% of the games don't use either the touchpad, second screen, or either. Again, assuming the wii does twice as well, that leaves 40% of games as standard style games, with slightly better graphics than the (lackluster) gamecube games.

I'm not logging in because bad mouthing the Wii gets you modded down. I think we should wait until all the systems are out before we declare a winner to the (media created) Console War. To assume the Wii has already won is premature and ignorant.

Re:I don't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524998)

Nintendo could sell only a single Wii and it would make money than MS will ever see from the Xbox360. Nintendo has already won - they don't need to sell their consoles at a loss.

I own both systems (1)

therealking (223121) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524665)

Both are good systems. I personally like the PSP device better, but the game selection is HORRIBLE on PSP right now. Nothing buy driving and sports games. WAY TO MANY DRIVING GAMES!
Daxter and Hotshots Golf has been it's only saving grace for me.

I bought a DS a month ago just so I could experience something other then driving & sports games. Nintendo seems to have a better seletion of adventure and scroller/puzzle(mario type) games. Lately I play the DS more then the PSP, just because I have a larger selection of games (especially when you include GBA games).

Personally I think the success of PS/2 and XBOX over Nintendo is not beause of realistic graphics but because the theme's are more edgey. Nintendo games tend to go a cartoony, more sunny happy route, while PS/2 XBOX games tend to go a darker, more violent route.

For teens and college kids, it's just not "cool" to be playing cartoony mario games while all your friends are killing hookers in Grand Theft Auto.

A practical breaking of the mold (4, Insightful)

unconfused1 (173222) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524672)

Nintendo is finally breaking the mold in a practical way. Is the use of gyros in controllers new? Is the use of a remote control new? Is the use of wireless controllers, or networked games new? All of these are clearly "NO" answers. So, what is different?

Nintendo is making a very simple and approachable system, that is still elegant and versatile. Plus the departure from the two-handed, all-in-one controller that perpetuates games that are more about button-mashing then much else is a nice touch. The Wii's Wii-mote (remote) gives the player quite a bit more interactivity with the games, but still is simple enough to pick up with little prior knowledge of how to use it.

Clever and fun games is a big aspect of it too. A lot of PS2 and Xbox/Xbox360 games require a huge time investment, and can't easily be put down whenever the player would like without hurting progress. Obviously I'm speaking in general...and don't wish to get in an argument of which specific games I'm picking on. To be fair, there are a few games on Nintendo's platforms that have poor save-points.

CHEAPER. This is a huge one. Having a nice gaming system that provides fun and distraction, and is simple and elegant, but is also cheaper than everyone else is a big deal to me and most people. The Xbox360 decent system at $500 and the PS3 at $600 is pricey...especially with games for $60-70. At this point I would start to question why I just wouldn't by a Windows computer. So, $200-250 is pretty affordable, especially keeping titles at $50.

I love Nintendo's commitment to simple, elegant, and inexpensive systems...with clever and fun distractions and games. I'm happy they haven't gotten sucked into the contest that Sony and Microsoft are in with their systems.

Far reaching implications (3, Insightful)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524741)

A Nintendo victory would have far reaching implications, well beyond just the console video games market imho. As a former SEGA fanboy (that part of me died the sad day SEGA announced they were leaving hardware) I have no love for Sony; nothing would please me more than to see blue ray fall flat on its face. Nintendo's current position in the 7th generation battle warms the cockles of my heart. As I see it, Sony has a lot riding on the success of the PS3. Significatly, they're main reasoning for including blue ray on the PS3 was to beat out HD DVD in the biggest advantage HD DVD had over blue ray, price point. That means a floundering PS3 hurts blue ray's chances against HD DVD, as well as (coupled with sliding UMD sales and a PSP encountering a far harsher market than expected,) forming as sort of trifecta of interrelated market failings. If demand for blue ray is less than expected, that could easliy translate back to less PS3 sales.

What's better is that this has implications for the other side of HD DVD and Microsoft's game console. We know that Microsoft will offer an HD DVD accessory, and while that may not be sufficient reason to buy an XBox 360, it will be advanced leverage for HD DVD in convincing any current XBox 360 owner to buy the HD DVD accessory over an excessivly expensive stand alone blue ray player or the still more expensive PS3 for its blue ray capabilities; at last count ~1.5million or so people world wide.

What does this have to do with Nintendo? Alot. As we know, Microsoft and Nintendo's systems together are still projected to be cheaper than the PS3 alone. This affects those who would buy as second console most of all. Rather than PS3, persons primarily concerned with gaming may choose Xbox 360 as their second console, adding to the number of persons who would find it logical to buy into HD DVD once they have HDTV (I assume that those concerned with games have a lower probability of owning HDTV than other concerned groups.) A resounding victory for Nintendo could bolster Microsoft sales into or tied with PS3 in second, effectivly neutralizing the blue ray PS3 advantage and instead giving an even better advantage to HD DVD. Even a minor victory could create an deadlocked tied between the three, yet still give some advantage to HD DVD.

Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are not only the warriors of the next console wars, but indeed key figures in a greater battle unparalleled in its depth compared to any battle before it, that I would call The Great Home Entertainment War!

Wii're Gonna Fail (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15524783)

I don't buy it.

I like the small controller. I like the backward compatibility. I even like the concept and active movement by the player. But I don't buy it.

Let me say for the record, I hope it does well. I hope it's a success. I even hope it is the new revolution in video gaming. But there is no way Nintendo Wii will be a mega-hit in the United States.

Nintendo has a whole iPod-looking website up right now dedicated to their new, small form factor game console. They have gone back to their roots with signature franchises like Super Mario, Metroid, and The Legend of Zelda. This is no surprise -- Nintendo always phones home when it's taking a risk. Two Italian guys, some swords, and Excite Bike (Excite Truck in Wii's case) didn't save Gamecube, and nothing is going to make Wii an American hit on the scale of Xbox, Xbox 360, and all the numerical Sony platforms. The Public Relations Guys and Girls on all sides are trying to chip away at public opinion as we speak.

Wii has had plenty of publicity. Most video game consoles tend to generate a fair amount of buzz. Nintendo clearly beat Sony in public relations efforts at The Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3).

E3 is often the soapbox that media corporations use to unleash their latest and greatest onto the world. For all intents and purposes, Nintendo swept the hype awards.

Maybe this is why their marketing initiative flopped at E3.

Sony gave too much away -- despite the price of the Playstation 3, which I expect to drop by $100 before the launch. They said, here it is, it's great, here's when you'll get it, and here's everything you'll get.

Take another look at the first Nintendo Promo Video. No prices; no exact release date. All you're getting here is a high energy video in a high energy booth at E3 that teases the assembled journalists so that they'll want more.

Sony put a gyroscope into their new controller -- in effect this could be better than the Wii controller because no external hardware will be required by the Playstation 3. However, they kept the exact same looking "dual shock" design that the original Playstation had. Wii's controller is different -- it looks like nothing you've ever seen before. Thus, you want to touch it, feel it, and get to know the Wiimote. It may offer absolutely sub-par gaming, but it's different and journalists love different.

So, Nintendo won the public relations battle at E3 over Sony. Nintendo gets a point.

In other news, Molly Smith, senior director of communications and brand development, one of the top public relations officials at Sony, quit June 1. Gamespot reported that the departure came as the result of changes being made at the public relations level, which included bringing in a former THQ executive.

A problem of specs

Simple problem: Wii only supports up to 480p resolution. Xbox 360, released over a year before the Wii will be launched, already supports 1080i resolution. All Xbox 360 games run at a minimum of 720p. Gamepro confirmed what I had suspected as well, Wii will have no digital audio port. This means you're limited not only to low resolution graphics (and trust me, 480i will be low resolution by the end of the year) and two-channel audio.

Playstation 3, according to Gamespot, will feature support for up to 1080p resolution and will boast built-in HDMI ports (yes portS) and optical digital audio supporting Dolby Theater Sound.

Nintendo Wii will not feature built-in DVD video support. An external dongle will be required. Playstation 3 will support not only DVD but next generation Blu-ray technology. Playstation 3 will be the only console at the time of release to support that technology.

Nintendo boasted their new and unique style of gameplay. Nintendo president Satoru Iwata lays out the philosophy:

        With each passing year, video gaming has become an exclusive experience. The complexities of some of the newest games have alienated those who used to play games with their entire families. Wii changes all that. Nintendo has created the most inviting, inclusive video game system to date. Thanks to our unique controller, anyone of any age or skill level can pick up and play games on Wii.

I have to say, I agree. Look, when Doom came out in 1994, it basically created the three-dimensional action genre that we know today. And I played that game so much that I am sure arthritis is in my future. But it was simple. Arrows to move, control to shoot, space to open doors. If you really wanted to get creative, you could hold down the Alt key to move side-to-side. Atari featured one button and a joystick to move, NES was two buttons, Sega Genesis was three, Super Nintendo four, and it has risen exponentially since. Nobody is going to argue that gaming has gotten complex.

The learning curve has definitely risen, but this is the price you pay for a better gaming experience. I can play John Elway's Quarterback for the NES. It features the blue guys versus the red guys. EA Sports has a contemporary solution for modern consoles in Madden NFL 2007.

Sometimes, you have to learn how to fly before you'll be ready to take off.

The trade off with Wii is that you get easy-to-play games with obsolete graphics and sound technology. People in this country are willing to pay $6,000 for a gaming PC because they want the best possible graphics and sound technology. Price point is not going to make or break any video game console.

The Playstation 3 has what gamers want, great graphics and great sound. Pair that with the selection and variety of games available to the Playstation users, and you have a winner. American gamers are simply not ready to use their other senses in gaming yet, especially when Wii isn't even trying to max out the visual and audible parts first.

The end result will be in the demographics. Nintendo is marketing to the "masses," otherwise known as people who don't currently play games. Sony is marketing to gamers, and gamers want digital audio and high definition video right now.

Here is what I do believe.

Nintendo Wii will gradually continue to be hyped until its release in late fall. It will be priced below the Playstation 3. It will sell very well during the holiday season among families with younger children, new to gaming. It will sell well among hardcore gamers in the 18-28 age range.

It will be one of the most amazingly modded systems of all time.

There is so much potential among those that want to convert to "moving games" that I certainly think that you'll see baseball bats, golf clubs, guns, and more that employ the Wii technology. I think standup "arcade-style" mods of the Wii will come about. A few, very motivated devotees will even create "Wii rooms" in their houses for a full spatial Wii experience. I think the Wii will fare much better than the Sega Dreamcast did, but I don't think we're on the eve of a revolution. I just don't buy it.

Re:Wii're Gonna Fail (2, Informative)

uglysad (867575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524942)

Cut and paste much? [blogcritics.org]

Keeping My N64 (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#15524940)

I recently bought a used N64, Super Mario 64, Zelda Ocarina and Majora's mask, rumble pack, and console memory expansion to ensure that I can replay these in the future. At used prices ($35 for the N64 console and controller, similar pricing for the games) this was cheap insurance against the kid moving out of the house and selling/losing/destroying the original N64 we all first played these on. And I agree that Super Mario 64 was quite a leap from everything before it at the time.

too many metaphors (2, Insightful)

kisrael (134664) | more than 8 years ago | (#15525148)

Nevertheless, for the first time since 1996, Sony looks to be fire-fighting, and not quite in control of the battleground. Not only is the shoe on Sony's foot, the company is on the back foot. Nintendo has its chance.

Wow. That's too many metaphors.
Fire-fighting
battleground
shoe on foot
competitor on back foot
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