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Study Says Coffee Protects Against Cirrhosis

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the irish-coffee-all-around dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Good news for those who like both coffee and alcohol. In a recent study of more than 125,000 people an Oakland, CA medical team found that consuming coffee seems to help protect against alcoholic cirrhosis. The study was done based on people enrolled in a private northern California health care plan between 1978 and 1985." From the article: "People drinking one cup of coffee per day were, on average, 20% less likely to develop alcoholic cirrhosis. For people drinking two or three cups the reduction was 40%, and for those drinking four or more cups of coffee a day the reduction in risk was 80%."

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So glad to hear (4, Funny)

packetmon (977047) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528238)

Being I drink about 12-16 cups a day I'm glad to know my alcholism won't be doing much to me. I think I'll have a shot now followed by some starbucks

Re:So glad to hear (1)

P3NIS_CLEAVER (860022) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528324)

I have a pot before I leave for work, and have several during the day to maintain my 'vitamin c' level.

Re:So glad to hear (3, Funny)

jcgf (688310) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528519)

I have pot before I leave for work, and several times during the day to maintain my 'vitamin thc' level.

Justification/Rationalization (1, Insightful)

doodlebumm (915920) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528653)

Interesting how every week there is a new study that proves something is actually good for you (in some way or another, but usually not completely good for you) so that people can be justified in their actions. One day there will be a study that points out that pedophiles are less likely to contract AIDS and STD's than non-pedophiles, so if you are prone to pedophilia, you will be healthier (as long as you don't get caught).

People will justify their actions through rationalization right up to the day they die.

for alcoholics (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528243)

obviously a healthier answer would be to cut back on the alcohol.

Re:for alcoholics (5, Funny)

Le Marteau (206396) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528382)

Oh! Thank you, kind citizen! I was not aware that alcohol could hurt me, until your insightful comment! How can I ever repay you? You are a true humanitarian, and your wisdom knows no bounds! You have re-affirmed my faith in humanity!

Signed,

- An Alcoholic

Re:for alcoholics (2, Funny)

FPCat (646737) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528757)

Lyndsey Nagle: Do I detect a note of sarcasm?
Frink: (With sarcasm detector) Are you kidding? This baby is off
                              the charts mm-hai.
CBG: A sarcasm detector, that's a real useful invention.
(Sarcasm detector explodes)

Fox coverage (5, Informative)

WinEveryGame (978424) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528244)

I just heard unbelievably bad coverage on this report on Fox. The "expert" said:

This report proves coffee is good, and tea is bad

hmm.. perhaps Starbucks is involved somewhere..

Re:Fox coverage (2)

Mr Z (6791) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528409)

Seriously, got a link? I mean, I've heard that tea has other, different good properties. If FOX really did report it this way.... ::facepalm::

--Joe

How about... (4, Insightful)

GenKreton (884088) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528247)

we drink neither and break our social and behavioral substance dependencies.

Re:How about... (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528332)

You first. Tell us how that works out.

Re:How about... (-1, Flamebait)

grammar fascist (239789) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528539)

You first. Tell us how that works out.

I've never drunk either coffee or alcoholic anything. I have an easy time waking up and an easy time going to sleep, I don't do stupid things because I'm never uninhibited, and I save at least ten bucks a day.

That's how it works out.

Re:How about... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528628)

You could have just said your a cheap tight ass. ;)

I ahve no idea where you get 10 dollars a day.

Drinking coffee != going to starbucks.

Drinking beer != drinking everynight.

The half life of caffine in the human body. If you go to bed at nine, just stop drinking coffee by about 2PM.

People who drink beers != drinking to excess or becomeng unihibited.

Please don't push your misconceptions about something you do not do onto others in some holier then tho way.

Re:How about... (1)

Very.Zen (831087) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528713)

I drink stupid amounts of coffee, and stupid amounts of vodka. One day I will die, so will you. So will everyone! Shock!

We have such a tiny stretch of life, seems absurd to argue over the... absurd things.

Re:How about... (2, Funny)

Pompatus (642396) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528341)

we drink neither and break our social and behavioral substance dependencies.

There's something to be said about "breaking substance dependencies" being modded funny

Then again, those of us that live in glass houses....

Re:How about... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528392)

I'll drink to that.

Re:How about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528398)

How about we don't. Both alcoholic beverages and coffee taste nice when you get quality stuff, and they give you a plesant buzz.

Re:How about... (5, Funny)

Soko (17987) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528434)

You'll get my whiskey, smokes and coffee when... err...

Let's rephrase that.

Try and take them away, and I'll get my whiskey, smokes and coffee back out of your cold dead hands.

Soko

Re:How about... (1)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528839)

Try and take them away, and I'll get my whiskey, smokes and coffee back out of your cold dead hands.

You might consider just getting another cup of coffee.

Re:How about... (2, Insightful)

iamlucky13 (795185) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528607)

On a serious vein, it shouldn't even be necessary to point out that this is hardly free license from a health standpoint to hit the bottle hard every night, then clear up the headache and the liver the next morning with a triple frapa-mocha-something-or-another the next morning, but I'm going to say it anyway.

This would be like a condensed version of the running joke with modern pharmeceutical products: Take one of pill A before bed to cure your insomnia. Then take one of pill B to prevent indigestion caused by pill A. Take one pill C and one pill D to respectively eliminate the dizziness and chills caused by pill B. Take one pill E to ward off persistant low energy in the morning from pill C and two pill F's plus one pill G to reduce the hypertension caused by pill D. Finally take one pill A to help with insomnia caused by pill G...

Of course (4, Insightful)

TJ_Phazerhacki (520002) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528254)

Those drinking that many cups a day complained of chronic heartburn, discolored teeth, an inability to sleep correctly, and of course there's the addictive aspect.

What doesn't kill you today only makes you stronger - until they find out that it too can kill you!

Re:Of course (1)

Heretik (93983) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528524)

I enjoy food so hot it makes others cry from 10 metres and I don't even know what "heartburn" actually is, my teeth are just fine thank you, and sleep is for pussies. Just finishing up pot #2 for today, like most every other day.

Feel free to make up whatever bullshit makes you feel good about yourself though.

Re:Of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528579)

spicy food is childs play compared to caffine trigging heartburn. The first thing a doctor tells you when you say you have bad heartburn is to stop drinking coffee and alcohol, not to stop eating spicy foods.

Thanks study (2, Interesting)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528256)

This is not a recommendation to drink coffee, nor is it a recommendation that the way to deal with heavy alcohol consumption is to drink more coffee,"
Ah yes, but does the study conclude that if I drink a lot of coffee that I am entitled to drink a lot of alcohol now?

Re:Thanks study (0)

Reverend528 (585549) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528397)

Ah yes, but does the study conclude that if I drink a lot of coffee that I am entitled to drink a lot of alcohol now?

It makes perfect sense. Stimulant + Depressant = Balance.

Re:Thanks study (1)

mashade (912744) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528568)

This should be modded funny over interesting, as at least *I* was always told that mixing stimulants with depressants tends to inflate the effects of both, rather than balance them out.

On preview... my sig is appropriate, isn't it? :D

Re:Thanks study (1)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528887)

In simple terms yes, your two variables would equate to Balance.
However, since neigher is purely stimulant, nor depressant, there's going to be byproducts, which, in the big picture, will equate to a chemical imbalance.

Hooray (1)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528257)

That will be good to remember then when I'm having my caffeine induced coronary .

Re:Hooray (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528451)

That will be good to remember then when I'm having my caffeine induced coronary .

I heard alcohol helps to mitigate heart attacks.

Hey wait a minute... :-/

Slashdot Gesserit (4, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528269)

From the .sig file...

I must drink beer.
Beer is the painkiller.
And beer is the little drink that brings total satisfaction.
I will drink my beer.
I will permit it to pass through me.
And where the beer has gone there will be nothing.
Only a hangover will remain.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning,
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Study with 21 year old data? (4, Insightful)

wpmegee (325603) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528274)

Does it bother anyone else that the data in question is 21 years old? 1985 seems like an eternity ago - this from a guy born in 1982. I'm not a statistician or a doctor, but couldn't there have been a myriad of things that happened in between 1985 and now? Furthermore, if you drink coffee, most people I know drink at least 2 cups daily so I'm not sure you can draw any meaningful distinctions between 1 and 2 cups. Also, what about other caffeine sources like soda?

Re:Study with 21 year old data? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528318)

I believe it's called a "longitudinal" study...

Re:Study with 21 year old data? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528351)

I don't think humans have evolved enough over the last 21 years to have changed the influence of alcohol and caffeine :-)
That being said, I also question that it should take that long to conclude on the data collected.

Re:Study with 21 year old data? (1)

nwbvt (768631) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528589)

"That being said, I also question that it should take that long to conclude on the data collected."

Arguably the most important part of the data (how many of the subjects went on to develop cirrhosis) could only be collected very recently. Were you expecting them to just guess how many would eventually get the disease?

Re:Study with 21 year old data? (2, Informative)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528361)

It's kind of hard to study long term effects of something with a short term sample size.

You do raise a good point, however: How do we know it's not something else that happened in that time? That's why you look at large numbers and correlations between those numbers. That's also why it's not absolute or definite. Coffee is linked to this, but it's not set it stone. More studies and experiments will need to be done to determine what, if anything, caused this condition.

Re:Study with 21 year old data? (1)

Nesetril (969734) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528362)

the data in question is 21 years old? 1985 seems like an eternity ago - this from a guy born in 1982. I'm not a statistician or a doctor, but couldn't there have been a myriad of things that happened in between 1985 and now?
dude, it's not like the beans are any different. Although, back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good.

Re:Study with 21 year old data? (4, Interesting)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528402)

Also, what about other caffeine sources like soda?

As is pointed out in the study, they don't know that caffeine is the cause. Coffee is loaded with all kinds of bioactive chemicals and it could be any of them. It could even be the cream or sugar people sometimes put in coffee. So the fact is, they have no idea why this is the case. What they'll probably need to do is kill a few hundred mice and rats with booze and coffee to figure out why and how it works.

As for the age of the data, it isn't really that old. It takes time to develop alcoholic cirrhosis and they're basically using historical data to determine who got it and who didn't and based on a questionnaire they filled out at the time of their enrollment in the health care plan, they were able to determine their coffee and alcohol habits. That said, a lot of alcoholics don't admit how much they drink on those kinds of things, so I'm not entirely sure how they can measure the accuracy. Alcoholics usually admit their drinking habits after the evidence is so obvious they can't hide it (like after they've developed alcoholic cirrhosis).

Re:Study with 21 year old data? (1)

dancingyel (981935) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528708)

I'm also surprised that the age of the data doesn't seem to bug people. I mean, I don't know exactly what other data the researchers collected, but I can think of other things that might correlate with both coffee intake and developing liver problems. Perhaps the heavy coffee drinkers were generally wealthier, or maybe they were more social and had a better support system and that somehow correlated...there are any number of things that would do it.

Buzz Beer et al (1)

ndansmith (582590) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528289)

Drew Carey is a genuis!

Re:Buzz Beer et al (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528354)

Drew Carey is a genuis!

Kinda loses its impact when you spell "genius" incorrectly.

In other news... (5, Funny)

fm6 (162816) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528297)

Encasing your body in concrete has been shown to reduce your risk of injury due to personal assault.

Cirrhosis specifics (4, Informative)

Morinaga (857587) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528303)

I'm not too proud to admit I wasn't sure exactly what Cirrhosis of the liver was despite hearing the jargon several times in the past. Here's some reference.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cirrhosis/DS00373 [mayoclinic.com]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_liver_cirrh osis [wikipedia.org]

Re:Cirrhosis specifics (1)

nelk (923574) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528630)

I think I may have it!
From the Wiki list of symptoms:

Liver size. Can be enlarged, normal, or shrunken.

Now, I havent looked at my liver lately, but I'd think its one of the three...

informative fuckerFu3ker (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528308)

7000 USERS OF

From the horse's mouth ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528309)

Research on coffee ... I smell a caffeine-based bias.

Back we are (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528322)

Back we are, to Coffee Beer.

<Astro>rrrrruck!</Astro>

Re:Back we are (1)

whitehatlurker (867714) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528432)

Well, actually, these might now be healthy drinks, eh?

  • Kick [molsonkick.ca]
  • Shok [labatt.com]
Most guarana flavoured things taste really bad. Things that taste bad are usually good for you, right?

The Joys of Coffee (5, Interesting)

TylerTheGreat (848804) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528329)

NPR also ran this story [npr.org] earlier today saying that people who drink 2 cups of coffee are better listeners than those who don't. We've been drinking this stuff for how long and we're just now figuring this stuff out? What will they find out next?

Re:The Joys of Coffee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528718)

I tried to tell them that years ago, but they didn't pay attention. They must have needed more coffee.

Re:The Joys of Coffee (1)

dancingyel (981935) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528734)

Man, pop psychology is frustrating. I wish they'd link to the actual study...or are they afraid we'd find out that they did the experiment early in the morning and the non-caffeine group was too sleepy to pay attention, or something equally silly?

Further proof... (3, Funny)

Penguin Programmer (241752) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528334)

This just confirms something that many of us have known for years: beer and coffee have a very precise balance in the body. If you throw the balance off, then you feel like crap.

That's why before your first coffee of the morning, you feel bad. Then, you feel good once you've had your coffee. But by the time late-afternoon rolls around, you definitely feel like crap again and go for a beer. The beer makes you feel better until you go to bed. Rinse and repeat.

Re:Further proof... (0)

sydsavage (453743) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528484)

I once worked with a web designer who was also a poet, by the name of Brian Flatgard.

One day while pondering this delicate balance on our coffee break, he quoted this poem that he had written some time earlier:

Beer kills coffee.
Coffee kills beer.
These battles keep me alive.

When I heard about this study, I immediately thought of him and his insightful little poem.

Three Stooges Syndrome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528372)

This reminds me of Mr. Burns Three Stooges Syndrome and how one illness blocks the effects of another in this case alcoholism and caffeine addiction.

A possible explanation (1)

P3NIS_CLEAVER (860022) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528377)

Perhaps this blocks the metabolism of alchol by the liver, and you just pee it out. I would be suprised if the intermediate oxidation product acetaldehyde is what damages the tissue.

  I believe that this is how the antidotes for ethylene glycol work.

Re:A possible explanation (1)

treeves (963993) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528659)

Actually, ethanol is the antidote for ethylene glycol. It is preferentially metabolized by the same system that metabolizes the glycol, so you "keep it busy" while you "pee it [EG] out", as you said.

Good Good! GOOD!!! (4, Funny)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528380)

Caffine GOOD!

No negative effects@!!!!

NONE NONE!!!!

Caffine GOOD!!!!

Re:Good Good! GOOD!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528623)

DAldredge Bad!

Re:Good Good! GOOD!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528816)

How on earth, Darren, did you ever manage to reproduce?

Sweet, now I can live what I hear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528385)

Whiskey, gin and brandy
With a glass I'm pretty handy
I'm trying to walk a straight line
On sour mash and cheap wine
So join me for a drink boys
We're gonna make a big noise

So don't worry about tomorrow
Take it today
Forget about the cheque
We'll get hell to pay

Have a drink on me (AC/DC)

Of course now, I will just chase my drinks with coffee!
Heart attack maybe, but Cirrhosis is in check!
This study makes me so confident, that I am even going to start smoking again and hope that pizza counters that!

WOWWWWWWWWWW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528419)

COFFEEISGOODFORMEITSAVESMYLIVERSOMEONEKILLMEAAAAAA AH

Time to go write that term paper...no wait, it's not three in the morning yet. Chocolate coated espresso bean time!

Ohhhh... (2, Funny)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528422)

Well, this explains why Grampa isn't dead yet. We were wondering...

Re:Ohhhh... (1)

Gryle (933382) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528812)

I've noticed that a lot of old men have diets that would make a health nut cry. Case-in-point: My friend's grandfather's standard breakfast consists of two fried eggs, half a plate of bacon, some oatmeal, and about a pot of coffee. The man is 93, still eats like that. He's really active though, so I think it balances itself out.

Is it just me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528490)

or are they treating the results of this study a little like medical drugs?

e.g. - WARNING: The use of coffeine *may* keep you up all night, stunt your growth, dehydrate you, stain your teeth, create severe insomnia, give you the jitters, flush your face, or put you on edge.
However, go for your life - you won't get alcohol cirrohsis!

Actually, a lot of studies are coming out about luxury items and other meaningless crap at the moment. When are they going to stop wasting time on that and actually start figuring out weighter problems, such as geeky social ineptitude, time warps, and laser guns?

Re:Is it just me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528567)

And let's not forget sexy android women...

Robot chicks are hawt.

yes!! (1)

ZlatanZ++ (978060) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528508)

"Good news for those who like both coffee and alcohol. In a recent study of more than 125,000 people an Oakland, CA medical team found that consuming coffee seems to help protect against alcoholic cirrhosis. i DrNK smuCh, Ima gona Be InvincBL , *hicup*

Yes, and the coffee makes you addicted (1)

ghostbar38 (982287) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528540)

Is the must used legal drug... Makes you addicted, if you drink coffee every day, any day try to let them... You can't.

Besides, i don't drink alcohol so, no problems for me.

It's more easier stop drinking alcohol that drink another drug more...

At least i think so.

Re:Yes, and the coffee makes you addicted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15528833)

Let's see... you don't drink, and you come up with sentences like

It's more easier stop drinking alcohol that drink another drug more...

Yeah. I'm gonna keep with my drinking so I don't become an idiot as well.

Merely correlation? (4, Insightful)

neatfoote (951656) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528575)

Based on the way that study is described, it doesn't sound as though the data necessarily supports a clear-cut causality between coffee-drinking and cirrhosis reduction. They based the results on a questionnaire, after all, and many of those are far too broad (and too sloppily answered) to give precise data about an individual's real consumption of either alcohol or coffee.

The most that this data proves is a correlation between higher reported coffee consumption and reduced cirrhosis-- and there are a ton of other reasons why that might be the case. Maybe heavy drinkers of alcohol tend to under-report their consumption of other harmful substances (like caffeine) out of guilt. Maybe higher caffeine consumption makes heavy drinkers drink a little less. Maybe coffee-drinking indicates a more white-collar lifestyle, which in turn might indicate better education and healthier life habits, any of which might itself be responsible for the diminished cirrhosis. As usual, the pop-sci treatment jumps to an easy causal conclusion that's far from being warranted by the facts.

Re:Merely correlation? or a Cunning Plan? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528731)

They based the results on a questionnaire, after all, and many of those are far too broad (and too sloppily answered) to give precise data about an individual's real consumption of either alcohol or coffee.

I'm not sure if you know this, but most human studies are heavily questionnaire oriented, and we do have a range of questionnaires, including self-administered (useful for embarrassing subjects), informant-administered (usually one's spouse or, in this case, perhaps your bartender and barrista), and clinician-administered (where a trained specialist asks you the questions and is watching for how you answer and evasiveness, and may have follow-up questions).

We can't go around and cage you up like we do mice, and accurately measure your caffeine and alcohol consumption. Human subjects have to consent, have to participate, and the level of invasiveness impacts the participation.

As to coffee-drinking being a white-collar lifestyle, in my experience, having worked in forestry, mines, road construction, computing, management, and research, I would say it's class neutral and exists in all levels - people who do manual work drink coffee at work, at lunch, and at the bar before heading home or when having breakfast - people who are white color do the same, just in a different manner. Your personal observations may be clouded by your limited experience in world travel and working in different occupations.

But, a good study would do comparisons in say Norway, Japan, USA, Canada, and Kenya just to be sure. And have a large enough study group that even when you sub-sample (say Canada, or maybe blue collar workers in urban areas versus rural areas) you still have significant populations.

Well duh! (5, Funny)

Alsee (515537) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528615)

Well duh!

If you're drinking two cups of coffee with your Cheerios at breakfast, that's two Martinis that you're not drinking with your Cheerios at breakfast.

-

Cirrhosis in Seattle? (0)

kozmonaut (577220) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528622)

To further support this data, I'd like to see the cirrhosis rate in a heavily caffinated area - like here in Seattle say, to that of the South, where the coffee is God-awful and undrinkable.

I'm sure we have less up here, even though we drink tons of strong beer too.

Strong beer + strong coffee = healthy, wealthy and wise

Re:Cirrhosis in Seattle? (1)

seriv (698799) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528768)

I doubt there would be a noticable difference. Seattle may love coffee and brew the good stuff, but people drink shitty coffee in the south on a regular basis. Everyone wants to wake up.

Re:Cirrhosis in Seattle? (1)

Gryle (933382) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528824)

Damn Yankee sissies. Coffee ain't suppose to have flavor. Ain't supposed to taste good. If it can't peel the paint off yer pick-em-up truck, it ain't worth the time it takes to drink it. *glowers*

old news (1)

kesuki (321456) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528651)

but i'm sure a lot of people forgot about this one already.. if you're gonna drink til you pass out remember to have a pot of joe in the morning to cure the hangover and keep your liver alive ;)

Please note tea does not work (2, Funny)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528685)

As an adjunct, they noted that consuming tea does not have a similar effect.

Doc: Nurse, this man's liver is failing! Get him four cups of coffee, strong and black!

Nurse: But, Doctor, he's caffeine intolerant - it says it interacts with his other meds.

Doc: Oh, ok, in that case, give it to me, I'll drink it.

Confluence (1)

BandwidthHog (257320) | more than 7 years ago | (#15528769)

If only this story also touched on the NSA trying to use their unconstitutionally acquired data to find recreational drug users, I’d have the most on-topic .sig EVAR!

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